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Events evolve with every passing day. The pre-draft trades rumors are now in the wind and are presently floating over North Korea.
There was a post logjam in Chicago and now not so much. Like sands in an hourglass these are the days of our lives...
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| Posted: 09/06/17 8:11 pm ::: |
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If Coates doesn't sign, Chicago loses her. If Coates plays overseas and does not sigh, she becomes a free agent.
Coates is now like Fowles: Here's where I want to go, If you don't sign me and trade me there you get nothing for me.
Stock next move...
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| Posted: 09/06/17 9:57 pm ::: |
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Gabby's already has two point range, has a quick first step going to the hole and will develop or have a three point shot |
Perfect example of what I said in the KML thread. In 15 years of basketball she's shown no aptitude for perimeter shooting, but don't worry, between April 15 and May 15 next year she'll magically develop a shot. 
At the same time I also have little doubt that some GM will overdraft her based on exactly that silly presumption. It's a great way to get fired, but somebody will do it.
Seriously, we're not talking some Lindsay Allen "she doesn't shoot much" situation. This also isn't someone who has simply struggled with her 3pt shooting percentage. Not someone who has at least at times manifested some modicum of shooting fundamentals. No. We're talking someone who has made ONE - no that's not a typo, it's one - three point shot in three years of college play. The notion that her fairy godmother is going to wave her wand and grant her a three point shot at this point in her career is, shall we say, unlikely in the extreme?
I see no more reason to think she's going to suddenly "develop" a three point shot than there is to think Danielle Robinson is going to drain 100 3s next season.
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| She hasn't needed to shoot threes at UConn. Let's see what happens this year in her continuing development. |
Yep. As I said in the other thread, she has one more year to demonstrate she can make shots from the arc. But if she doesn't, GMs need to evaluate her draft prospects on the assumption she never will. It is crazy to gamble a high choice that she'll "develop" a three point shot where none has ever existed before. And then what she is is an undersized 3 with no outside shot. Is that really worth a top ten pick?
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| Posted: 09/06/17 10:23 pm ::: |
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| RavenDog wrote: |
Gabby's already has two point range, has a quick first step going to the hole and will develop or have a three point shot |
Perfect example of what I said in the KML thread. In 15 years of basketball she's shown no aptitude for perimeter shooting, but don't worry, between April 15 and May 15 next year she'll magically develop a shot.
At the same time I also have little doubt that some GM will overdraft her based on exactly that silly presumption. It's a great way to get fired, but somebody will do it.
Seriously, we're not talking some Lindsay Allen "she doesn't shoot much" situation. This also isn't someone who has simply struggled with her 3pt shooting percentage. Not someone who has at least at times manifested some modicum of shooting fundamentals. No. We're talking someone who has made ONE - no that's not a typo, it's one - three point shot in three years of college play. The notion that her fairy godmother is going to wave her wand and grant her a three point shot at this point in her career is, shall we say, unlikely in the extreme?
I see no more reason to think she's going to suddenly "develop" a three point shot than there is to think Danielle Robinson is going to drain 100 3s next season.
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| She hasn't needed to shoot threes at UConn. Let's see what happens this year in her continuing development. |
Yep. As I said in the other thread, she has one more year to demonstrate she can make shots from the arc. But if she doesn't, GMs need to evaluate her draft prospects on the assumption she never will. It is crazy to gamble a high choice that she'll "develop" a three point shot where none has ever existed before. And then what she is is an undersized 3 with no outside shot. Is that really worth a top ten pick? |
Simply amazing.
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| Posted: 09/06/17 10:41 pm ::: |
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Simply amazing. |
I agree. It is simply amazing. Maybe you'd like to elaborate how exactly you're so convinced someone who has made ONE....count 'em, ONE...... three point shot in her career will suddenly "develop or have" a three point shot.
I mean, it's not like she has a coach who discourages it. Even Stephanie Dolson had the green light to shoot 3s occasionally. Morgan Tuck shot 3s. Even Collier, who is generally considered as not being a perimeter shooter, made 22 of them last year. And still, there's Williams' glaring career one for six from the arc. But don't worry. She'll develop one.
I can't wait to read this one.
If it's so damn easy, you should definitely send a copy of your explanation to Danielle Robinson. It could give her a whole new career.
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| Posted: 09/06/17 10:57 pm ::: |
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| RavenDog wrote: |
Simply amazing. |
I agree. It is simply amazing. Maybe you'd like to elaborate how exactly you're so convinced someone who has made ONE....count 'em, ONE...... three point shot in her career will suddenly "develop or have" a three point shot.
I mean, it's not like she has a coach who discourages it. Even Stephanie Dolson had the green light to shoot 3s occasionally. Morgan Tuck shot 3s. Even Collier, who is generally considered as not being a perimeter shooter, made 22 of them last year. And still, there's Williams' glaring career one for six from the arc. But don't worry. She'll develop one.
I can't wait to read this one.
If it's so damn easy, you should definitely send a copy of your explanation to Danielle Robinson. It could give her a whole new career. |
Alysha Clark even has developed an occasional 3-point shot. It's not impossible if you put in the required work.
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| Posted: 09/06/17 11:20 pm ::: |
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Alysha Clark even has developed an occasional 3-point shot. It's not impossible if you put in the required work. |
Clark made over 40 threes during her time at Belmont and Middle Tenn. Forty may not seem like a lot, but it's a lot more than one.
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| Posted: 09/06/17 11:22 pm ::: |
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| I don't think Gabby has to have a three point shot in order to be drafted high. She has a much better shot than Alyssa Thomas for instance....and is more athletic and has just as good or better all-around game IMO. No reason to hate on her just because she is a UConn'er.
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| Posted: 09/06/17 11:30 pm ::: |
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| I don't think Gabby has to have a three point shot in order to be drafted high. She has a much better shot than Alyssa Thomas for instance....and is more athletic and has just as good or better all-around game IMO. No reason to hate on her just because she is a UConn'er. |
I think my hate has more to do with the inflation of draft stock uconn players receive vs the rest of the country.
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Gabby was the player of the game in the big contest against ND last season.
She was a one-woman wrecking crew.
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And your point is what? Did she make a bunch of threes and I missed them?
She's not being drafted to play in college. We're discussing her obvious limitations (actually her one limitation) at the WNBA level. Anything to add that's on topic?
If she had a shot, she could probably be excellent as a pro 3, even undersized as she is. She'd deserve to be a lottery pick. She has a lot of ball skills and is probably the best overall athlete in the draft. Even undersized and with no shot, I expect she'll make it and play well, but I'm not convinced she's worth a lottery or top five pick like some people are suggesting.
And this "she"'ll develop one" is at this point pure fantasy. Any GM drafting on that assumption deserves to get fired.
I also think there's a good shot she'll be picked in the top five anyhow. That doesn't prove it's a smart pick.
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| Posted: 09/07/17 12:46 am ::: |
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| myrtle wrote: |
| I don't think Gabby has to have a three point shot in order to be drafted high. She has a much better shot than Alyssa Thomas for instance....and is more athletic and has just as good or better all-around game IMO. No reason to hate on her just because she is a UConn'er. |
I think my hate has more to do with the inflation of draft stock uconn players receive vs the rest of the country. |
So what? They typically provide the most "pro-ready" players, it's not their fault many players around the country don't come in as prepared and ready as UConn's players do.
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| Posted: 09/07/17 1:08 am ::: |
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| If Coates plays overseas I believe she becomes a reserved player for Chicago, meaning that from that point on Chicago is the only team she can sign with unless Chicago trades her rights. She can not re-enter the draft or become an UFA. If she doesn't play overseas it is a different story.
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| Posted: 09/07/17 9:42 am ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
Gabby was the player of the game in the big contest against ND last season.
She was a one-woman wrecking crew.
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And your point is what? Did she make a bunch of threes and I missed them?
She's not being drafted to play in college. We're discussing her obvious limitations (actually her one limitation) at the WNBA level. Anything to add that's on topic?
If she had a shot, she could probably be excellent as a pro 3, even undersized as she is. She'd deserve to be a lottery pick. She has a lot of ball skills and is probably the best overall athlete in the draft. Even undersized and with no shot, I expect she'll make it and play well, but I'm not convinced she's worth a lottery or top five pick like some people are suggesting.
And this "she"'ll develop one" is at this point pure fantasy. Any GM drafting on that assumption deserves to get fired.
I also think there's a good shot she'll be picked in the top five anyhow. That doesn't prove it's a smart pick. |
Gabby is listed at 5’11 but has a long wingspan, and looks closer to 6 foot, that’s not really undersized for the 3 in the WNBA, most of the small forwards are about 6’1, I think Gabby should be taken 2nd behind Wilson. |
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I had this discussion with clayk about the need of three point shooting. His point is that three point shooting is a necessity for the way the game is played today. Everyone has seen how successful the Golden State warriors have been with their talented long range shooters and now believe that is the gold standard to aim for if your team wants to win championships.
I won't disagree that having great three point shooters on any team does help to win games. I just would like to see more young people try to master making midrange jump shots. Having a great midrange shot adds so much to a player's offensive arsenal. The ball fakes that you can use with a midrange opens up driving lanes to the basket.
I'm afraid the midrange shot will die and join the hook shot in the basketball cemetery.
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| Posted: 09/07/17 1:47 pm ::: |
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Lexie Brown is really flying under the radar
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18.3p/3.9a/3.7r/2.8s/49%/40%/93%
If Lexie had a uconn logo on her uniform,people would say she's a lottery pick.
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| Posted: 09/07/17 2:52 pm ::: |
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| If Coates plays overseas I believe she becomes a reserved player for Chicago, meaning that from that point on Chicago is the only team she can sign with unless Chicago trades her rights. She can not re-enter the draft or become an UFA. If she doesn't play overseas it is a different story. |
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Much ado about nothing.
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I wont diminish the talent though she shows me flashes of Catchings + Alyssa Thomas. Low End she could be another Alysha Clark !
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