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zune69
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| The four lottery picks for the 2018 draft should be, without question, Wilson-Mitchell-Williams-SheShields. |
Agreed,unless Chicago wants to draft a big.
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| Posted: 03/20/18 12:04 am ::: |
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Just for fun (in the spirit of the tourny) some head to head match ups.
The match ups are of two players who are falling in similar locations in mock drafts, who play similar positions (not always exactly the same), which is not to say they have the same type of game, demeanor, potential, etc
The simple question is which one do you take, and why? These are 1 on 1 match ups not looking for alternative candidates
G. Williams vs D. Deshields
J. Canada vs L. Brown
M. Russell vs M. Billings
V. Vivians vs K. Nurse
A. Atkins vs T. Scaife
J. Nared vs S. Thomas
S. Mavunga vs M. Gulich
OK have at it, do one match up or all.
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| Posted: 03/20/18 1:05 am ::: |
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I like your interpretation, I actually meant who would you draft between the two of them, but those would be some good one on one games as well.
I hope the Diamond/Gabby match up wouldn't come to blows, I give Diamond the edge but I could see Gabby having some killer blocks.
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| Posted: 03/20/18 9:20 am ::: |
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| Laney Lewis from Pepper Pike, coached by Shannon Swords.......hmmmm.
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| Posted: 03/20/18 9:38 am ::: |
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Possible division 2 player to get drafted? Laney Lewis of Ursuline?
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Sheâd have to show up to one of those private predraft camps and impress, but Iâm not seeing it. Thereâs an overload of D1 talent available... and some teams will be using their late round picks on foreign players in the hopes they turn out to be something someday.
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| Posted: 03/20/18 8:58 pm ::: |
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| I still wonder why Vadeeva is on any first-round lists if there is no indication she will come over this year, next year or ever. |
There are two separate parts of this. It depends on how highly you view her as a prospect regardless of coming over and how far down the prospect list you get before you think you might have a player who does not make it out of training camp. I think top 8 is too high, but the teams below that should consider her an option. |
Why did you pick #8 as your cut-off point? Indiana has both a dire need for fresh blood in the post plus the Russian connection. Might be a good match.
I'm not sure how she fits in with PHX with Griner. Connecticut is overloaded at post and may be gun shy about more international players. Perfect fit for LAS. Back to PHX (and Reeve gets cursed). Can't let Laimbeer have her with #13. |
There are valid strategic reasons for picking her at 8. Her not showing up immediately aids the tank. Her showing up immediately allows them to figure out whether she should be part of their core going forward. I wouldn't do it based on how long I think that their rebuild will legitimately take. To me it makes more sense to take players that will be there for sure. Also, if her first experience in the WNBA is a terrible team after being on one of the best teams in Europe, I would wonder if that would have an effect on decision making for future seasons.
It also depends on how you evaluate her as a prospect. Personally I think she's a high floor low ceiling player, even though that's sort of ridiculous when she's younger than the college players. Rebuilding teams should probably take risks on low floor high ceiling players. Pokey also seems like a fairly tenous Russian connection compared to some of the other teams that have a connection to her. I believe their times at Spartak Moscow did not overlap.
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| I still wonder why Vadeeva is on any first-round lists if there is no indication she will come over this year, next year or ever. |
There are two separate parts of this. It depends on how highly you view her as a prospect regardless of coming over and how far down the prospect list you get before you think you might have a player who does not make it out of training camp. I think top 8 is too high, but the teams below that should consider her an option. |
There's also the potential 'the teams know more about her status and intentions than any of us do' element. |
Even if she were Meesseman levels of committed, it feels like she should still be dinged a couple spots because realistically there will be times that she won't be available even if she wants to be. It all depends on where everyone actually has her ranked on their big board. If decision makers and not just Paul Nilsen and some fans actually believe that she is the number one prospect, that kind of changes the calculus. At the end of the day, when your gig can only offer her around 10% of her main gig, you can't really expect that her decision making for the rest of her career will be centered on your job. It's different for the players who actually need a WNBA pedigree to boost their incomes. |
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| Posted: 03/21/18 1:12 pm ::: |
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| I don't think Vadeeva to Indy at 8 is unrealistic at all. She actually has a very strong connection to the coaching staff...
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| Posted: 03/22/18 9:59 am ::: |
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Good question.
G. Williams vs D. Deshields DeShields is your prototype/conventional athletic player who plays best at the 2 and 3 positions. She can shoot the 3 ball, whereas Williams is best at the 3 & 4. However, Williams is a better passer/distributer and is more active all over the court. Basically, she's a wildcard on offense and a disruptive defender on defense. Similar in some respects but different in others. When playing on the floor together, I go either 2 and 3 or 3 and 4.
J. Canada vs L. Brown Canada is strictly a PG whereas Brown can play PG & 2G. Depends on what the team wants, has in stock and how it plays.
M. Russell vs M. Billings Russell is strictly a Center whereas Billings is too thin/light to be a Center but in pinch could fill in. I don't believe Billings is anywhere near her 6'4" listed height. Make her a PF.
V. Vivians vs K. Nurse Vivians is a 3 stretch 4 and Nurse is a 2 stretch 3. Nurse is a better defender and Vivians can get her own shot.
A. Atkins vs T. Scaife Pass on these two.
J. Nared vs S. Thomas Nared is 6'2", long and a better free throw shooter and 3 baller. I believe she is the more versatile too. Thomas is muscle, strictly a 3, can jump and rebound when she wants to. She's like a little tank at 5'11".
S. Mavunga vs M. Gulich Mavunga 6'2" and Gulich is 6'5", strong and more suited for the Center position than Mavunga. Both could be PF's.
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| Posted: 03/22/18 1:07 pm ::: |
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| J. Canada vs L. Brown Canada is strictly a PG whereas Brown can play PG & 2G. Depends on what the team wants, has in stock and how it plays. |
Brown is better as a secondary playmaker/facilitator than a true point guard. She is best playing alongside a point guard or another combo guard like she is.
A fair comparison for Brown is Alexis Jones.
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| Posted: 03/22/18 1:29 pm ::: |
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http://www.columbiatribune.com/sports/20180321/after-ncaa-loss-tigers-look-forward-to-getting-back-to-work
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PRO CAREER NEXT FOR FRERICKS?: If WNBA teams arenât aware of Jordan Frericks, itâs not because Pingeton and her program didnât try to put her name out there.
âWe have sent things out all year long to the WNBA teams trying to create awareness for her,â Pingeton said.
Opportunities in the WNBA are scarce: the league has 12 teams, each with 12 roster spots. This yearâs draft, which takes place April 12, will have three rounds and 3*12 total selections.
If Frericks isnât selected in the draft, there are plenty of other options.
âI have no doubt there will be many opportunities for her to play overseas,â Pingeton said. âSheâs going to be playing at a combine at the Final Four where there will be WNBA scouts and international scouts. We need to figure out who she is going to go with as an agent over the next couple weeks. Thatâs that next step in the process.â |
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| Posted: 03/22/18 7:38 pm ::: |
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Jill Barta leaves Gonzaga a year early
https://amp.greatfallstribune.com/amp/451227002
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| She said professional basketball remains a possibility in the near future. But if not sheâs looking forward to starting a new career as a special education teacher. |
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| Posted: 03/22/18 8:38 pm ::: |
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| Curious where Barta could land? Early second round?
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| Posted: 03/23/18 7:29 am ::: |
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| I don't think Vadeeva to Indy at 8 is unrealistic at all. She actually has a very strong connection to the coaching staff... |
Anchonwa and her have a pretty similar game so i wonder how thats going to go.
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| Posted: 03/23/18 9:32 pm ::: |
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| Gulich now a possible first round draftee? Phoenix at #12?
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| Posted: 03/23/18 10:26 pm ::: |
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I think the better matchups in the post are M. Russell vs. M. GĂźlich and S. Mavunga vs. M. Billings. In both Iâd take the latter but my picks are in bold below. I like Billings at the 4 in the W. GĂźlich and that fadeaway is working her way up the draft boards as well
G. Williams vs D. Deshields- Before the January trade I though DD had a shot at going #2
J. Canada vs L. Brown- Really depends on the team picking. Canada was nice in the second half vs Texas. Sheâs a real pg. Canât wait to see what Brown does against UCONN. Itâll be interesting to see what Seattle does with their pick.
M. Russell vs M. Billings- I like Billings at the 4. I think sheâs really like 6â1/6â2 but sheâs physical and plays bigger. The opposite of Russell
V. Vivians vs K. Nurse- Two different positions and types of players. I think Vivians will primarily play the 3 and some mins at the 2. Nurse can play 1-3, but I think sheâll mostly play 2/3 at the next level. I think both have high ceilings, but Nurse is the âsaferâ pick. IMO
A. Atkins vs T. Scaife- I see Atkins going 13-16.
J. Nared vs S. Thomas- I still like Nared in LA despite her slump to finish the season.
S. Mavunga vs M. Gulich- pre-tourney I wouldâve said Mavunga. Now idk lol.
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| Posted: 03/24/18 3:42 pm ::: |
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G. Williams vs D. Deshields
Deshields is more athletic and has a better upside. Williams is more of a question mark based solely on what position she can play. Deshields first.
J. Canada vs L. Brown
Brown has the body, Canada has the speed. I think Brown translates a little better.
M. Russell vs M. Billings
Russell continues to look lackadaisical. Billings plays in spurts and will probably have to play away from the basket more in the WNBA, but she looks like the better player.
V. Vivians vs K. Nurse
Nurse has improved her outside shot to the point that she could become an all-star. Vivians is also very good, but I prefer the UConn pedigree.
A. Atkins vs T. Scaife
I'm not that high on either one, but lean to Scaife.
J. Nared vs S. Thomas
Thomas looks to me like the very good college player that is a tweener who doesn't translate to the pros.
S. Mavunga vs M. Gulich
Gulich is the best center in college right now. Her last month has been outstanding. I believe she could wind up going ahead of Russell and Billings
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| Posted: 03/25/18 5:14 am ::: |
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I am now a believer. M. Billings is not six feet four inches tall.
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Does it really matter ?
Ogwumike,GJ,Charles,Brunson,A.Thomas,Dupree are all in the 6'1-6'3 range.Billings is about 6'3 with elite level athletic ability and guard speed.
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made up my own game lol sorry
