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PostPosted: 04/09/17 11:58 pm    ::: UTenn dominates MaxPreps AA team Reply Reply with quote

UTK gets three players on the five-player All American high school team selected by MaxPreps. THREE!!!

This could be because the Selector-in-Chief is a shill for, or on the payroll of, or otherwise a slobbering knee-jerk partisan for the Lady Vols. But I sorta know the guy and would deny those claims.

After we pay deserved obeisance to his Herculean task of selecting six teams and 22 honorable mention candidates, it is of course traditional -- if not mandatory on RebKell -- to quibble and pick nits.

While the S-I-C did a prescient job of selecting Sabrina Ionescu as last year's POY, my quibble this year is: How can Megan Walker, a 6-0/1 player variously described as a wing, shooting guard or small forward, be POY if she has a lousy outside shot? I base my impression on limited but not trivial evidence, having seen her on two USAB teams, a couple of streamed high school games, and the Burger Game. The girl is athletic, energetic, coordinated . . . but a heaver of bricks from beyond the midrange.

So, you might argue, is Gabby Williams, a trendy, au courant player who became a first team college All American. Touché!

And a nit pick: How about an honorable mention for Nyah Green.
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Don't worry about the shooting of that #1 high school recruit. The master coach Geno Auriemma will do for her outside shooting what he did for previous #1 high school recruit Tamika Williams and her poor outside shooting.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 6:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

With adding these trees players answer Russell and DeShields returning. I think Tennessee has a FF team. Westbrook I think will be a star.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 8:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jlcarter wrote:
With adding these trees players answer Russell and DeShields returning. I think Tennessee has a FF team. Westbrook I think will be a star.


Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country. Throw in Cooper , Hayes , Davis , Middleton , Nared / Jackson and they sure look deep back there.



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 9:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It wasn't that great a year for elite players -- by which I mean surefire future Olympians -- but obviously there are a lot of good ones out there.

Evina Westbrook was really the other candidate for POY and she's not a great shooter either. And her team didn't win the state title or earn a national ranking.

Anastasia Hayes, the best player on the best team, just didn't show quite enough to be in the POY discussion.

As always, comments welcome ...

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/s9GJnwI5SU-ApTt56gPU9g/2016-17-maxpreps-girls-basketball-all-american-team-.htm



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 9:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Jlcarter wrote:
With adding these trees players answer Russell and DeShields returning. I think Tennessee has a FF team. Westbrook I think will be a star.


Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country. Throw in Cooper , Hayes , Davis , Middleton , Nared / Jackson and they sure look deep back there.

Russell will have more help in the post. Holly will have a lot more options this year.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 9:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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It wasn't that great a year for elite players -- by which I mean surefire future Olympians -- but obviously there are a lot of good ones out there.

Evina Westbrook was really the other candidate for POY and she's not a great shooter either. And her team didn't win the state title or earn a national ranking.

Anastasia Hayes, the best player on the best team, just didn't show quite enough to be in the POY discussion.

As always, comments welcome ...

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/s9GJnwI5SU-ApTt56gPU9g/2016-17-maxpreps-girls-basketball-all-american-team-.htm

https://twitter.com/NYGHoops/status/846376060979728385


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 9:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I saw the subject of this thread and thought to myself "if we assume DeShields had gone directly to Tenn, they could have even more appropriately written this same thing in 2013. ##1,3,8 and 42 -- even more impressive than the 2017 class."

But transfers, busts, head cases, injuries, and what did it produce?

And they still have the same coach.

There's no guarantees.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 9:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 10:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


I dont think diamond will be attempting to play PG . Actually neither will be , i expect T. Cooper to run that position .



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 10:14 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


I dont think diamond will be attempting to play PG . Actually neither will be , i expect T. Cooper to run that position .


Cooper, Middleton, and Hayes at PG. Not necessarily in that order.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 10:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I found it interesting that the MaxPreps top 5 are hoopgurlz 1,2,9,10,12.

And that hoopgurlz #3 is on MaxPreps 4th best team. (also that she is variously listed at 6'1" and 6'3")

Does this imply that there are two who are head and shoulders above the rest? I always wonder also about the putting together of these lists. Is it from actually watching games...or tape...or what? And it seems like a self fulfilling destiny - if you are noticed somewhere at a younger age, you are more likely to continue to be on 'the list.' If you don't play AAU, you are unlikely to ever be on anybody's list.

Just some random thoughts.



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 10:35 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FrozenLVFan wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


I dont think diamond will be attempting to play PG . Actually neither will be , i expect T. Cooper to run that position .


Cooper, Middleton, and Hayes at PG. Not necessarily in that order.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 10:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


I dont think diamond will be attempting to play PG . Actually neither will be , i expect T. Cooper to run that position .


Then I guess those two won't constitute "one of the best backcourts in the country", will they. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 11:35 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


I dont think diamond will be attempting to play PG . Actually neither will be , i expect T. Cooper to run that position .


Then I guess those two won't constitute "one of the best backcourts in the country", will they. Rolling Eyes


Wether Diamond is the 3 and Evina is the 2 . With Tea' At the 1 they still will have one of the best if not the Best backcourt period. Arrow



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 1:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


I dont think diamond will be attempting to play PG . Actually neither will be , i expect T. Cooper to run that position .


Then I guess those two won't constitute "one of the best backcourts in the country", will they. Rolling Eyes


Wether Diamond is the 3 and Evina is the 2 . With Tea' At the 1 they still will have one of the best if not the Best backcourt period. Arrow
I still like Harris and Cuevas-Moore as the best back court next season.
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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im excited to See Westbrook's & Diamond play together should be one of the best backcourts in the country.


And which of them is going to pretend to be a point guard?

Two naturals 3s with one of them play acting as a 1. That should be interesting. Russell obviously should have turned pro for all the good passes she's going to receive.


I dont think diamond will be attempting to play PG . Actually neither will be , i expect T. Cooper to run that position .


Then I guess those two won't constitute "one of the best backcourts in the country", will they. Rolling Eyes


Wether Diamond is the 3 and Evina is the 2 . With Tea' At the 1 they still will have one of the best if not the Best backcourt period. Arrow
I still like Harris and Cuevas-Moore as the best back court next season.



No offensive fire power there , if theyre considered the best backcourt then we dont have much to judge from then do we ?



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 2:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cooper still needs to prove herself. As a freshman, she exhibited very poor decision-making, was a terrible outside shooter with poor shooting mechanics, and had an A/TO of .76. And now she's had to sit out for a season with an injury. Thinking she and an incoming freshman will be the nation's best backcourt is overly optimistic.

Based on their past work, Middleton is a better shooter, better passer, and takes better care of the ball. Unless Cooper comes in next fall looking better than she did in her freshman season, I wouldn't be surprised seeing Middleton start at PG.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 2:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Cooper still needs to prove herself. As a freshman, she exhibited very poor decision-making, was a terrible outside shooter with poor shooting mechanics, and had an A/TO of .76. And now she's had to sit out for a season with an injury. Thinking she and an incoming freshman will be the nation's best backcourt is overly optimistic.

Based on their past work, Middleton is a better shooter, better passer, and takes better care of the ball. Unless Cooper comes in next fall looking better than she did in her freshman season, I wouldn't be surprised seeing Middleton start at PG.


"When I was a child, I thought as a child..." When Cooper was a freshman, she made freshman mistakes. She has had a chance to sit on the bench for a year and observe, and now is back at practice working on her technique and her decision-making. She will have a chance to show what she has learned. Hopefully she's been a good student. You are quick to condemn based on past work.

Do I think Cooper will start at the beginning of the year? No. But I know how the Tennessee system has always worked and what the players have to do when they are redshirting. They aren't allowed to just sit on the bench and watch. They have to keep stat books of various kinds, even when they're not able to play or practice. They have to watch hours and hours of tape and be able to talk about what they watched and why it did or didn't work. And when they finally do get back to practice, they practice against guys who would probably be *playing* somewhere else. I don't think Holly has changed the system very much since she took over. I expect Cooper to be significantly improved unless she's either lazy or stupid, and I don't think she's either of those. So I think she'll get the start sooner or later.



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Cooper still needs to prove herself. As a freshman, she exhibited very poor decision-making, was a terrible outside shooter with poor shooting mechanics, and had an A/TO of .76. And now she's had to sit out for a season with an injury. Thinking she and an incoming freshman will be the nation's best backcourt is overly optimistic.

Based on their past work, Middleton is a better shooter, better passer, and takes better care of the ball. Unless Cooper comes in next fall looking better than she did in her freshman season, I wouldn't be surprised seeing Middleton start at PG.


I think its safe to say the same can be said about middleton and shes about to be a senior. Middleton was pegged the starter the last 2 years and lost her job both times . once to cooper and to reynolds. Eventually reynolds beat out all but Cooper has more potential



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 2:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Cooper will start. Hayes will also play a lot. I think Middleton will be a 2 guard more than the point.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 3:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

- The strangest ranking IMO is Rellah Boothe on the 4th team.

- While it looks like Tenn really landed some outstanding talent, haven't LV fans learned that freshmen aren't apparitions of Athena, emerging fully armed from the forehead of Zeus. Tenn will have 3 polished starters in Narud, DeShields and Russell, and potentially a starting pg if Cooper returns with all her skills. The freshmen? Let's wait and see how they play defense before we put 2 of them in the starting lineup.

- I've read a lot of posts on several boards questioning Walker's outside shot and it reminded me of a lot of similar things I read about 10 years ago concerning Maya Moore. Coming into her freshman year more than one poster pointed out that Moore might have trouble in college because while she did most of her HS scoring in the paint, she was too short to compete against the taller and stronger college opponents. They seemed to think Maya was too short to play inside and lacked a consistent outside shot and handle to play on the perimeter. While she never achieved the accuracy of Mosqueda-Lewis nor the ball handling skills of top guards she managed to do OK. Of course Walker could be more like DeShields and never develop an outside shot. Time will tell.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 11:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I've read a lot of posts on several boards questioning Walker's outside shot and it reminded me of a lot of similar things I read about 10 years ago concerning Maya Moore.


There is no current comparison between Megan Walker and Maya Moore. There has not been a player in high school like Maya Moore since Maya Moore, and there may never have been a player like Maya Moore before Maya Moore. The closest may have been Tamika Catchings.

No experienced observer watching Maya in high school could have entertained serious doubts that she was of Olympic caliber. (The same could be said of Candace Parker, Elena Delle Donne, Brittney Griner and Breanna Stewart.) Maya was 125-3 in high school, won the Naismith twice, won every other NPOY award, and was on various high school AA teams since she was a freshman.

There were perhaps unanswerable questions about how good a three point shooter she would be in college, since she played so much around the paint in high school and since her high school three point stats weren't recorded. She answered those questions almost immediately in college by shooting 42% from the arc as a freshman.

Being unsure about how good a shooter a high school player is, because of a paucity of evidence, is not the same thing as relying on existing evidence to claim that a high school player is or is not a good shooter. In the case of Megan Walker we have both. There is a paucity of evidence as to her high school three point shooting. And there is also existing USAB evidence that indicates she was a poor three point shooter (1-10) on the U18 team, plus my eyeball evidence that she was a poor three point shooter on the USAB 3x3 team (for which recorded stats are not available).

Staying just with UConn, there was a both a paucity of evidence and contrary evidence that both Gabby Williams and Napheesa Collier were effective three point shooters in high school. Williams has proved to be an ineffective three point shooter for three years in college, while Collier has begun to show increasing effectiveness during her two years of college. Both made AA first teams, however, independent of their three point shooting, functioning mostly as undersized high and low post paint players.

Katie Lou Samuelson, on the other hand, has obviously been a tremendous outside shooter, and from all distances, ever since she was in 7th grade. I wouldn't say she was clearly of Olympic quality as a high school player -- and still wouldn't say that -- but she was clearly of college AA quality.

There is no chance, in my unimportant opinion, that Megan Walker will be as as good as Maya Moore in any facet of the game. She may eventually be as successful in college as Williams, Collier or Samuelson -- but her three point shooting in high school has not provided convincing evidence of that.
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PostPosted: 04/11/17 10:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rellah Boothe, on the MaxPreps' fourth team, illustrates the difference between some lists and others -- and no particular system is necessarily better than any other.

The MP list is based on high school performance, not college and pro potential. (That's why Ali Patberg was POY a couple years ago over Katie Lou Samuelson -- Patberg had a better year in high school (not club, not USA Basketball) and even though she didn't project like KLS, it's a high school award for me.)

First, Boothe's team lost 10 games. It's very hard for me to justify an elite high school girls' player as a first-team all-American if her team loses 10 games. (We believe their overall record was around 20-10, but not all results are reported.) IMG Academy got crushed at the La Jolla Country Day Sweet 16 by some good but not great California teams, and that shouldn't happen to a school like IMG with all that talent.

Second, Boothe's effort level is far from consistent. She showed extremely well at the Mickey D game, but you never know what you'll get in a high school game -- or even at USA Basketball. (There is even some question as to how many games she actually played for IMG. No stats are posted and the coach wouldn't return calls.)

Now on potential, Boothe is elite. A motivated Boothe is one of the best players in the country, and a motivated Boothe will be a college star and a WNBA player. On high school production, though, she fell short of the players we ranked above her, or so we judged.

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https://twitter.com/cecil_joyce/status/851821998502289408
Anastasia Hayes a national champion.


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Gotta go with Glenn on this. By all accounts this class and next few are not any where near the caliber of prior classes. USA losses alone should demonstrate a lack of domination.

I cringe when I hear that a player can be a shooter with range as there is so much that goes into that. A player who can knock down the set shot wide open 3 right on the arc is not necessarily a shooter by definition. Shooters are guarded as such and require the ability to get shots off with further range and quicker than anyone else. They also must practice those shots at game speed, off the dribble, off the screen, pivoting off of either foot etc. True shooters always get special defensive game plans and allow others on the team to get open looks because of that defensive attention. That is why as Clay previously mentioned in other postings, they are at a premium in the game.

Take a look at the draft and you can see how many of those players are NOT shooters and if they are not at this point, there is high chance they never will be.


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There were perhaps unanswerable questions about how good a three point shooter she (Maya Moore) would be in college, since she played so much around the paint in high school and since her high school three point stats weren't recorded. She answered those questions almost immediately in college by shooting 42% from the arc as a freshman.

Being unsure about how good a shooter a high school player is, because of a paucity of evidence, is not the same thing as relying on existing evidence to claim that a high school player is or is not a good shooter. In the case of Megan Walker we have both. There is a paucity of evidence as to her high school three point shooting. And there is also existing USAB evidence that indicates she was a poor three point shooter (1-10) on the U18 team, plus my eyeball evidence that she was a poor three point shooter on the USAB 3x3 team (for which recorded stats are not available)

Staying just with UConn, there was a both a paucity of evidence and contrary evidence that both Gabby Williams and Napheesa Collier were effective three point shooters in high school. Williams has proved to be an ineffective three point shooter for three years in college, while Collier has begun to show increasing effectiveness during her two years of college. Both made AA first teams, however, independent of their three point shooting, functioning mostly as undersized high and low post paint players..


You claim a paucity of evidence for Maya Moore in HS and then claim that there is ample evidence for you to make an assertion about Megan Walker. You say that there is no stats for either player from HS but then you use Walker's 1-10 in USA U18 to judge her ability from behind the arc. but neglect to mention that Moore was 1-7 in her U18 play. As for 3X3, you don't even know how many 3's the entire team attempted. Like many attorneys I know you make a case for one side of an issue, in this case researching Walker's USA stats, but don't bother to present Moore's equally dismal 3 pt stats, relying instead on your prescient ability to recognize Olympian-level talent in 17 year-olds. I would be more impressed if you reported those observations while they are actually still in high school rather than after they win gold. It's always difficult to compare a player that has already developed into an Olympic quality player to another that is just exiting high school. Midway through Stewart's freshman year very few would have put her in the class of a Catchings, Taurasi or Moore.

I have no predictions for Walker. I watched some of the McAA game but I would be very reluctant to make any determinations based on that streamed game for any player and other than that I haven't seen any of the incoming freshmen.
However I do remember several posters here making assertions as to Kia Nurse's role at UConn after viewing a dubious video from the summer of her junior year in high school.


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PostPosted: 04/12/17 9:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I saw Moore play as a junior and senior in high school, and as a junior, she never scored outside the paint. She didn't even attempt jumpers.

I don't believe she shot a three as a senior at the Nike TOC, once again relying on her athleticism in the paint.

Obviously, though, Moore did what very, very few players, male or female, have been able to do: Add a perimeter game in college and beyond.



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not to be a jinx , but with the trend so far in college Loaded recruited classes rarely ever last long . someone is bound to transfer out just seems normal now . I hope my UT Frosh's prove me wrong though ijs



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I doubt that I would have made any claim about Maya Moore's 3pt shot in high school since I only saw her twice. I may have questioned whether she had a 3pt shot, which is a normal type of basketball inquiry. In one game I saw she scored about 47 points (agianst Tiffany Hayes' team) and in the other about 35. I recall a lot of supernatural athleticism and midrange shots, and a distinct impression that she was very, very special player. Of course, by that time in her senior year, the entire scouting and recruiting world was saying the same thing.

I have seen Megan Walker sufficiently often to have a distinct impression. I watched all of her U18 games, most of her 3x3 games, and a couple of streamed high school or AAU games. She did not play like a wing shooter, did not put up a lot of 3pt shots, and made a low percentage of her attempts. My impression is that she plays more like a small power forward -- a sort of slightly taller but less athletic Gabby Williams (which is not intended as an insult).

If someone has high school 3pt stats on Walker that belie my impression, then I'm happy to change my mind. So also, if she just hits 3pt shots at UConn.

I was just mildly surprised that Clay POY'ed her, because I thought a few players showed out better at the McD game than Walker, Westbrook had won the Wooten, and because Clay sometimes likes to dance to different tunes. However, Clay explained his thought process above.
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Megan Walker is not Maya Moore, nor a guaranteed star at the college level because of her lack of a perimeter game. But if you read the story on her

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/LjvDr76Iu0CIbOoJXTTZFw/maxpreps-2016-17-national-girls-basketball-player-of-the-year--megan-walker.htm

it becomes clear she's a winner, and that counts for a lot.



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I don't think I ever tried to compare Moore to Walker in any way other than their 3 point shooting prior to college. Walker may or may not prove to be an adequate outside shooter but IMO developing into a 30-40% spot up shooter from behind the arc is largely a matter of putting in the time and effort, especially for an elite level player.

Stewart attempted less than 30 three pt shots total in her last 2 years of high school which is well under 1 attempt per game and yet the media called her an outside threat.

Collier was 2-13 from behind the arc as a freshman and worked in to a 22-51 shooter as a sophomore.

As someone else posted, virtually all elite level high school players with any size end up scoring most of their points in the paint. Gabby Williams was the pg on her high school team but scored almost exclusively inside. I have little doubt that Walker will be at least an adequate spot up 3 pt shooter as a freshman.


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I completely forgot the most recent evidence regarding Walker's 3pt shot. Just two weeks ago, I watched her be the worst 3pt performer, boy or girl, in the McDonald's skills competition. I think she made four of 25 shots in the 3pt competition, which was won for both boys and girls by Texas recruit Chasity Patterson.

https://twitter.com/ESPNU/status/846523773096464384/video/1

I have no doubt Walker will be a very good player at UConn and may very well develop a good arc shot. I've even voiced support here for the idea of her starting next season, although I don't expect that to happen.
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PostPosted: 04/14/17 9:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

linkster wrote:
I don't think I ever tried to compare Moore to Walker in any way other than their 3 point shooting prior to college. Walker may or may not prove to be an adequate outside shooter but IMO developing into a 30-40% spot up shooter from behind the arc is largely a matter of putting in the time and effort, especially for an elite level player.

Stewart attempted less than 30 three pt shots total in her last 2 years of high school which is well under 1 attempt per game and yet the media called her an outside threat.

Collier was 2-13 from behind the arc as a freshman and worked in to a 22-51 shooter as a sophomore.

As someone else posted, virtually all elite level high school players with any size end up scoring most of their points in the paint. Gabby Williams was the pg on her high school team but scored almost exclusively inside. I have little doubt that Walker will be at least an adequate spot up 3 pt shooter as a freshman.


I have to disagree -- my experience has been that very, very few players can develop consistent three-point shots during or after college. Brittany Boyd is a classic example, but there are many, many smaller guards who could have literally made millions of dollars if they could have become 40% three-point shooters, and they did not.

Moore and Williams (who is an exceptional athlete, even for this level) are exceptions, but there aren't many.



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https://passthaball.com/2017/04/06/pass-tha-ball-prep-polls-st-johns-emerges/

If any of you go (via copy and paste) to the above article on Pass Tha Ball, you will find a discussion of this year's final high school national rankings by the respective polls which resulted in a highly split view as to whom the number 1 team in the nation was this year.

As to National Player of the Year, it really came down to Walker and Westbrook with each getting at least one of the awards.

One thing many fans who follow rankings on the prep scene may fail to realize is that most are projections of future college success, not current high school performance as the MaxPreps (try putting this together!) list highly emphasized.

As to Boothe, she may be more talented than both Walker or Westbrook. Unfortunately, during much of Boothe's high school career showing up in dominating, refuse to lose fashion, was not a game to game occurrence.

As to Nyah Green of Texas, she was not a game to game dominator in high school this year, a future great player perhaps.

As for the Tennessee recruits, Davis, Hayes and Westbrook were all quality performers this season deserving recognition. As to the future, Tennessee needs to show that it can translate talent into big time team success as in prior decades but not done very recently.

As to Walker, it will be interesting to see how she handles being just another cog in a great team. We have seen National Freshmen of the Year (DeShields and now Slocum) cut and run even when very successful. With Connecticut loaded for next year, her transition to the next level should be worth following.


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PostPosted: 04/16/17 1:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If anyone wants to see Megan Walker in action with their own eyes, here is a link to the Jordan Classic played yesterday. Linkster posted a link in his thread.

https://thecube.com/event/girls-all-american-game-jordan-brand-classic-girls-726195

It ain't pretty for Walker. She went 1-11 from the floor and 0-4 on three's for a total of six points. I think I'll retract my comparison to Gabby Williams, who has always shot around 60% from the floor in her college career, albeit rarely shooting tres puntos.
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PostPosted: 04/16/17 10:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
If anyone wants to see Megan Walker in action with their own eyes, here is a link to the Jordan Classic played yesterday. Linkster posted a link in his thread.

https://thecube.com/event/girls-all-american-game-jordan-brand-classic-girls-726195

It ain't pretty for Walker. She went 1-11 from the floor and 0-4 on three's for a total of six points. I think I'll retract my comparison to Gabby Williams, who has always shot around 60% from the floor in her college career, albeit rarely shooting tres puntos.


The first time I noticed that was last year in the FIBA 3x3 tournament. Walker made the all tournament team and was the 2nd high scorer in the tournament, but wow, she bricked a lot of easy shots. (Actually, Amber Ramirez looked like the only player on that team with even a modicum of a shot.)

What was her high school shooting percentage? Anyone know?


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PostPosted: 04/16/17 11:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
If anyone wants to see Megan Walker in action with their own eyes, here is a link to the Jordan Classic played yesterday. Linkster posted a link in his thread.

https://thecube.com/event/girls-all-american-game-jordan-brand-classic-girls-726195

It ain't pretty for Walker. She went 1-11 from the floor and 0-4 on three's for a total of six points. I think I'll retract my comparison to Gabby Williams, who has always shot around 60% from the floor in her college career, albeit rarely shooting tres puntos.


The first time I noticed that was last year in the FIBA 3x3 tournament. Walker made the all tournament team and was the 2nd high scorer in the tournament, but wow, she bricked a lot of easy shots. (Actually, Amber Ramirez looked like the only player on that team with even a modicum of a shot.)

What was her high school shooting percentage? Anyone know?


That would be informative, but I haven't found her high school or AAU stats. Sometimes, actually, stats aren't meaningful at the college level if a very good player is in a weak high school league that she easily can dominate. This is quite common, in fact.

What I've done is compile Megan Walker's stats for seven competitive games: her five games on the 2016 U18 team, the 2017 McDonald's All American game and the 2017 Jordan Brands Classic game. Here they are:

FG: 26-83 = 31.3%
3FG: 1-15 = 6.7%
FT: 14-17 = 82.3%
R: 23 = 3.3 RPG
A: 10 = 1.4 APG
TO: 9 = 1.3 TOG

These stats are for an average of about 21 minutes per game for the seven games.
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PostPosted: 04/17/17 2:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have been severely underwhelmed by what I have seen from Meg Walker so far. High School All Star games are a dumpster fire, yes I know. And the class of 2017 has been particularly painful to watch in their ugliness. But you'd be hard pressed to find a #1 ranked player playing that underwhelming in both McDonald's/Jordan.

Good thing for her she will be like the 3rd option off the bench her frosh year.


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acsuc99 wrote:
I have been severely underwhelmed by what I have seen from Meg Walker so far. High School All Star games are a dumpster fire, yes I know. And the class of 2017 has been particularly painful to watch in their ugliness. But you'd be hard pressed to find a #1 ranked player playing that underwhelming in both McDonald's/Jordan.

Good thing for her she will be like the 3rd option off the bench her frosh year.



I dont think she will have an impact on the huskies til maybe her sophmore year .



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BobScoutingReport wrote:
https://passthaball.com/2017/04/06/pass-tha-ball-prep-polls-st-johns-emerges/

If any of you go (via copy and paste) to the above article on Pass Tha Ball, you will find a discussion of this year's final high school national rankings by the respective polls which resulted in a highly split view as to whom the number 1 team in the nation was this year.

As to National Player of the Year, it really came down to Walker and Westbrook with each getting at least one of the awards.

One thing many fans who follow rankings on the prep scene may fail to realize is that most are projections of future college success, not current high school performance as the MaxPreps (try putting this together!) list highly emphasized.

As to Boothe, she may be more talented than both Walker or Westbrook. Unfortunately, during much of Boothe's high school career showing up in dominating, refuse to lose fashion, was not a game to game occurrence.

As to Nyah Green of Texas, she was not a game to game dominator in high school this year, a future great player perhaps.

As for the Tennessee recruits, Davis, Hayes and Westbrook were all quality performers this season deserving recognition. As to the future, Tennessee needs to show that it can translate talent into big time team success as in prior decades but not done very recently.

As to Walker, it will be interesting to see how she handles being just another cog in a great team. We have seen National Freshmen of the Year (DeShields and now Slocum) cut and run even when very successful. With Connecticut loaded for next year, her transition to the next level should be worth following.


Very informative post, please post more, your perspective on the high school game would be very welcome.


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Durantula wrote:
BobScoutingReport wrote:
https://passthaball.com/2017/04/06/pass-tha-ball-prep-polls-st-johns-emerges/

If any of you go (via copy and paste) to the above article on Pass Tha Ball, you will find a discussion of this year's final high school national rankings by the respective polls which resulted in a highly split view as to whom the number 1 team in the nation was this year.

As to National Player of the Year, it really came down to Walker and Westbrook with each getting at least one of the awards.

One thing many fans who follow rankings on the prep scene may fail to realize is that most are projections of future college success, not current high school performance as the MaxPreps (try putting this together!) list highly emphasized.

As to Boothe, she may be more talented than both Walker or Westbrook. Unfortunately, during much of Boothe's high school career showing up in dominating, refuse to lose fashion, was not a game to game occurrence.

As to Nyah Green of Texas, she was not a game to game dominator in high school this year, a future great player perhaps.

As for the Tennessee recruits, Davis, Hayes and Westbrook were all quality performers this season deserving recognition. As to the future, Tennessee needs to show that it can translate talent into big time team success as in prior decades but not done very recently.

As to Walker, it will be interesting to see how she handles being just another cog in a great team. We have seen National Freshmen of the Year (DeShields and now Slocum) cut and run even when very successful. With Connecticut loaded for next year, her transition to the next level should be worth following.


Very informative post, please post more, your perspective on the high school game would be very welcome.


Walker will never last at Uconn....


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Ladyvol777 wrote:
Durantula wrote:
BobScoutingReport wrote:
https://passthaball.com/2017/04/06/pass-tha-ball-prep-polls-st-johns-emerges/

If any of you go (via copy and paste) to the above article on Pass Tha Ball, you will find a discussion of this year's final high school national rankings by the respective polls which resulted in a highly split view as to whom the number 1 team in the nation was this year.

As to National Player of the Year, it really came down to Walker and Westbrook with each getting at least one of the awards.

One thing many fans who follow rankings on the prep scene may fail to realize is that most are projections of future college success, not current high school performance as the MaxPreps (try putting this together!) list highly emphasized.

As to Boothe, she may be more talented than both Walker or Westbrook. Unfortunately, during much of Boothe's high school career showing up in dominating, refuse to lose fashion, was not a game to game occurrence.

As to Nyah Green of Texas, she was not a game to game dominator in high school this year, a future great player perhaps.

As for the Tennessee recruits, Davis, Hayes and Westbrook were all quality performers this season deserving recognition. As to the future, Tennessee needs to show that it can translate talent into big time team success as in prior decades but not done very recently.

As to Walker, it will be interesting to see how she handles being just another cog in a great team. We have seen National Freshmen of the Year (DeShields and now Slocum) cut and run even when very successful. With Connecticut loaded for next year, her transition to the next level should be worth following.


Very informative post, please post more, your perspective on the high school game would be very welcome.


Walker will never last at Uconn....


Why do you think so?



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