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PostPosted: 04/05/17 12:37 am    ::: FINAL FOUR 2018 Reply Reply with quote

List your favorites for the final four next season

My Picks
UConn
Tennessee
Notre Dame
Texas


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PostPosted: 04/05/17 7:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Depends on if Turner plays next year or not. Heard Muffet on TV last night say they are going to play it by ear and decide in the fall whether she'll play.

Surgery is the 12th.


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"She could miss the year," head coach Muffet McGraw said when pressed on Turner's time table for return from a torn ACL.


http://wsbt.com/sports/content/mcgraw-on-turner-she-could-miss-the-year



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PostPosted: 04/05/17 7:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

South Carolina will still have Wilson, so they are still a contender



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PostPosted: 04/05/17 8:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'll do an E10 instead (hedging but it depends on how they set up the regions)

UConn
Notre Dame
Baylor
Duke
Ohio State
Mississippi State
Oregon
Stanford
Texas
Tennessee

It's true SC has Aja Wilson and she's the leading candidate for POY next year...but too many question marks around her. She will be living with triple teams. And Notre Dame will need to hope their incoming Freshman post can contribute right away and/or that they get Turner for the second half of the season...though sitting her out for the whole season is probably best for her. And Tenn has yet to prove they can do it even with a loaded roster. Everybody has question marks! In the PAC UCLA and Cal could also surprise. That's why they play the games.

If I had to narrow it down to 4, I guess it would be:
UConn
Baylor
Duke
Oregon at least get some new blood in there.

next would be
Tenn
OhSU

and the other 4 would round out my top 10
hmmm and Louisville should be in there somewhere too.



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PostPosted: 04/05/17 8:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I can't imagine Ohio State wouldn't be ten times more motivated to play at the FF especially with it being in their home town. Does anybody remember the magical run that the Butler men had in 2010 and attended classes on gamedays?


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PostPosted: 04/05/17 9:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UConn, Texas, Baylor and UCLA


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PostPosted: 04/05/17 10:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UConn
Notre Dame
Baylor

Really hard for me to pick a fourth team, but I'd say either South Carolina or Texas.


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PostPosted: 04/05/17 10:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SDHoops wrote:
I can't imagine Ohio State wouldn't be ten times more motivated to play at the FF especially with it being in their home town. Does anybody remember the magical run that the Butler men had in 2010 and attended classes on gamedays?


I do remember Butler.

But, by that logic, shouldn't Texas and Baylor have been especially motivated to get to Dallas?

I know, it's not exactly the same — Ohio State is in Columbus and neither Texas nor Baylor are in Dallas but I think it's close.


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PostPosted: 04/05/17 12:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

South Carolina, Willson best player in college basketball, 2018 #1 draft pick, maybe the best back court in the nations.

Tennessee, a lot of talent, Diamond on a mission, Westbrook and Cooper should help them get back to the top of the SEC

Notre Dame could be better without Turner, having a guard like Thompson come in should help give them 2 scoring guards who will take majority of the shots.

Uconn, I could see them falling just short of the final four, I think next years team will have some chemistry issues.

Duke could be in the mix as well.
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PostPosted: 04/05/17 4:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
South Carolina, Willson best player in college basketball, 2018 #1 draft pick, maybe the best back court in the nations.


Say WHAT?

#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:

Notre Dame could be better without Turner, having a guard like Thompson come in should help give them 2 scoring guards who will take majority of the shots.


Uhhhhh, no. Notre Dame will not be better if Turner is unavailable or limited.


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PostPosted: 04/05/17 5:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So Ohio State will be more motivated than other teams to get to the Final Four?

More motivated than UConn? More motivated than Baylor? More motivated than Tennessee?

I don't really think you can add much motivation to what the top teams already bring to the table. That's like saying one team "wants it more" -- it basically reduces to meaninglessness.

Everyone is motivated, and the top programs are top programs in great part because of that motivation. It's like saying the cherry on the top is the difference between the calorie count in one sundae as opposed to one without. It's just not going to make a difference ...



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PostPosted: 04/05/17 5:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So Ohio State will be more motivated than other teams to get to the Final Four?

More motivated than UConn? More motivated than Baylor? More motivated than Tennessee?

I don't really think you can add much motivation to what the top teams already bring to the table. That's like saying one team "wants it more" -- it basically reduces to meaninglessness.

Everyone is motivated, and the top programs are top programs in great part because of that motivation. It's like saying the cherry on the top is the difference between the calorie count in one sundae as opposed to one without. It's just not going to make a difference ...

Oh get over yourself. The McDonald's AA game was boring because all of your picks didn't make it so wah! Always nitpicking my posts...but George Mason made the Final Four when the Regionals were in their home-metro and SDSU women almost made their own regional when it was in their home-metro. Come on Clay, get off your high horse! There's no denying having games on your home court are an advantage let alone a chance to play for a national championship in the college's hometown.


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PostPosted: 04/05/17 7:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm not going to rule out Itty and the Vic-ettes either.



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PostPosted: 04/05/17 7:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm going go with
UConn
Notre Dame
Tennessee
Mississippi State

Other teams who could make it
Stanford (Tara could should up with a little league team and you couldn't count her out.)
Ohio State
South Carolina
Oregon
Texas
Baylor
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PostPosted: 04/06/17 1:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FF
UConn
Tenn
Texas
Baylor

next 4
UCLA
Louisville
Oregon
Ohio ST


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PostPosted: 04/06/17 9:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In 36 years, 144 teams have made it to the Final Four.

I think these are the teams that made it to the Final Four in their home state:

Old Dominion (1983, Virginia)
USC (1984, California)
Western Kentucky (1986, Kentucky)
Texas (1987, Texas)
Penn State (2000, Pennsylvania)
Southwest Missouri State (2001, Missouri)
LSU (2004, Louisiana)
Baylor (2010, Texas)

(Did I miss any?)

Eight out of 144 doesn't sound like a particularly large proportion, although we'd have to do some math to see if it is higher than random.


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PostPosted: 04/08/17 6:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UK1996 wrote:
I'm going go with
UConn
Notre Dame
Tennessee
Mississippi State

Other teams who could make it
Stanford (Tara could should up with a little league team and you couldn't count her out.)
Ohio State
South Carolina
Oregon
Texas
Baylor
UCLA


How is Oregon with all their returning talent not considered higher?


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NFL1 wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
I'm going go with
UConn
Notre Dame
Tennessee
Mississippi State

Other teams who could make it
Stanford (Tara could should up with a little league team and you couldn't count her out.)
Ohio State
South Carolina
Oregon
Texas
Baylor
UCLA


How is Oregon with all their returning talent not considered higher?


Maybe there's some healthy skepticism about their hot tournament run. After all, shortly before that they ended the regular season with losses to Colorado and Cal. I'd say including them in a list of eleven is pretty generous when you compare them to other teams in that group.


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PostPosted: 04/09/17 8:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tennessee
UConn
Notre Dame
Baylor


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PostPosted: 04/09/17 10:20 pm    ::: Re: FINAL FOUR 2018 Reply Reply with quote

basketballologist wrote:
List your favorites for the final four next season

Okay:
Baylor
Texas
Oklahoma
WVU

They would be MY 'favorites', as a Big 12 fan. Laughing

Now, I still bow to the magnificence of calling the Final 2 as you did, basketballologist, but to call NEXT year's FF is a reeeeally tough call, imo; I mean, would YOU have picked MS-State a year ago? But then, UConn, Stanford, and SC were all easy to see as FF teams, so....I just hate conceding that our tournament is so predictable.

I would realistically say this:
UConn and....
Baylor

After that? Maaaybe:
Tennessee
MS-State
Texas
Oregon (who, I'm willing to predict, will be the Gold Standard of the PAC12)
I'd almost bet SC will NOT be back--losing 3 starters is tough.



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Howee wrote:
I'd almost bet SC will NOT be back--losing 3 starters is tough.


Baylor is also losing three starters...



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 12:20 am    ::: Re: FINAL FOUR 2018 Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Howee wrote:
I'd almost bet SC will NOT be back--losing 3 starters is tough.


Baylor is also losing three starters...


UConn is losing the record smashing, 152-2, Chong-Lawlor Dynasty.

Texas
Stanford
Tennessee
UConn
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PostPosted: 04/10/17 11:08 am    ::: Re: FINAL FOUR 2018 Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Howee wrote:
I'd almost bet SC will NOT be back--losing 3 starters is tough.


Baylor is also losing three starters...


Baylor's guard problem is getting even worse next year.


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PostPosted: 04/10/17 11:34 am    ::: Re: FINAL FOUR 2018 Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
Howee wrote:
I'd almost bet SC will NOT be back--losing 3 starters is tough.


Baylor is also losing three starters...


Baylor's guard problem is getting even worse next year.


They have Alexis morris coming in , i dont think it will be as bad as assumed . Although i think Mulkey should have nabbed Kennedy Carter from mansfield Timberview . Gary blair won that battle Sad Embarassed



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Miss State
Tenn
UCONN
Baylor


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So most of you don't think Duke will be a factor next year?



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PostPosted: 04/10/17 1:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
So most of you don't think Duke will be a factor next year?


I think next season duke will be the new tennessee . A team with the capability to make a serious run but most likely bow out early in the NCAA's never reaching there potential under JPM



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ArtBest23 wrote:
Baylor's guard problem is getting even worse next year.

Don't see that.....Wallace, Landrum, and Chou returning, with Richards and Morris coming in (both 5* recruits). Not Odyssey/Nia material (yet), but not shabby, either. Not counting her last game, Wallace has been really impressive.

I do believe Baylor and TX will be fighting alone for #1 in the conference, with the edge to TX this coming season. As I look at it all again, Baylor is less probable of a FF contender than i'd want to believe. But certainly not IMprobable. Wink



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Howee wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Baylor's guard problem is getting even worse next year.

Don't see that.....Wallace, Landrum, and Chou returning, with Richards and Morris coming in (both 5* recruits). Not Odyssey/Nia material (yet), but not shabby, either. Not counting her last game, Wallace has been really impressive.

I do believe Baylor and TX will be fighting alone for #1 in the conference, with the edge to TX this coming season. As I look at it all again, Baylor is less probable of a FF contender than i'd want to believe. But certainly not IMprobable. Wink


If the Texas team that beat Baylor shows up next year in every game, watch out. They have really good guards and the post player with the most upside and raw talent(IMO) in Joyner Holmes. I don't trust Aston's coaching too much, but the pieces are certainly there.

As for Baylor, I tend to agree with Art in the guard situation. They will be depending on guards who aren't PG...and freshmen. I don't think that Baylor runs the sorts of offense that doesn't need a traditional PG.

For me, potential FF teams are:

Baylor
Louisville
Mississippi State
Notre Dame
Oregon
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
UCLA
UCONN

These are my pre-season top 10 teams.

Outside looking in: Ohio State, Duke


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1. UConn
2. Notre Dame
3. Baylor

4.Tennessee (Without Warlick)
4.Texas (With Warlick)



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UConn First Five
UConn Second Five
Texas
Tennessee
Duke.

Oh wait this is 2018 not 2003. In that case...UConn, Texas, Tennessee, and whoever is hot


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UCONN
Baylor
Oregon
Notre Dame


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SDHoops wrote:
UConn First Five
UConn Second Five
Texas
Tennessee
Duke.

Oh wait this is 2018 not 2003. In that case...UConn, Texas, Tennessee, and whoever is hot

You do know that in the 2002-2003 and 2003-2004 seasons, UConn was basically Diana Taurasi and 4 support players? Their depth was basically non-existent on their starting roster, never mind their next 5.


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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
UConn First Five
UConn Second Five
Texas
Tennessee
Duke.

Oh wait this is 2018 not 2003. In that case...UConn, Texas, Tennessee, and whoever is hot

You do know that in the 2002-2003 and 2003-2004 seasons, UConn was basically Diana Taurasi and 4 support players? Their depth was basically non-existent on their starting roster, never mind their next 5.


Diana would probably thank BT Express , Ann Strother & Jessica Moore instead of calling them support players . Without the play of all 4 in unison they would not have won those titles . Only supporting player i can honestly remember was Maria conlon and Wilnet



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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
UConn First Five
UConn Second Five
Texas
Tennessee
Duke.

Oh wait this is 2018 not 2003. In that case...UConn, Texas, Tennessee, and whoever is hot

You do know that in the 2002-2003 and 2003-2004 seasons, UConn was basically Diana Taurasi and 4 support players? Their depth was basically non-existent on their starting roster, never mind their next 5.

I didn't mean UConn's second five from that year, I meant for next year hence the three other teams.


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SDHoops wrote:
UConn First Five
UConn Second Five
Texas
Tennessee
Duke.

Oh wait this is 2018 not 2003. In that case...UConn, Texas, Tennessee, and whoever is hot


I'm a UCONN fan...but hush it! This very type of post is why people hate us. And it's also ridiculous.


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myrtle wrote:
So most of you don't think Duke will be a factor next year?


Short answer: No.

Long answer: Counting on a frosh center who's not a giant (6-4 is not 6-Cool is not usually a winning strategy. Not having the returning PG is not a winning strategy. Counting on a coach who can't adapt in live time is not a winning strategy.

People need to look more at the early exit from the tournament than early season win over the eventual National Champs.



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readyAIMfire53 wrote:


People need to look more at the early exit from the tournament than early season win over the eventual National Champs.


I know it's inconvenient to your preferred narrative and that you prefer to minimize what they accomplished, but it's not just one game or only early season. In addition to beating South Carolina, they also beat Louisville, Kentucky, Syracuse twice, Miami twice. Two of those wins were in the ACC tournament where they made the finals, so they played well throughout the entire season. They had a good year.

They're unlikely for the final four in 2018, but no less likely than some of the other names being tossed around here.


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Things ACSUC99 is confused by above:

- Why is it questionable listing South Carolina in the top 4? You could surround Wilson with 4 water girls and they'd still be a threat.

- If it is questionable to list SC why are the people doing the questioning listing Baylor and ND? They did not go as far as SC. Baylor loses 3 starters, are they really BETTER than the last 2 Baylor teams that failed to make it? ND loses Allen and ACL surgery in April is gonna mean Turner will spend the whole season (if she plays) trying to regain her form. I think Baylor and ND are top 10 teams but Wilson makes SC more formidable right now than both.

Based on talent:

1. UConn
2. South Carolina
3. Mississippi State
4. Tennessee- can Holly be trusted not to mess it up?

Next in line:

5. Texas- something scares me about their coach, could be another Goestenkors or worse...Holly.
6. Baylor
7. Notre Dame (assuming Turner may redshirt/be less than 100%), if she's fine than move 'em up.
8. UCLA
9. Oregon
10. Duke
11. Louisville
12. Ohio State
13. Stanford (why the high rankings, McCall/Samuelson are gone and they were like 2 of the 4 players who they had who could score)

Anyone else note worthy outside of these 13 teams that we should keep an eye on? I think it's pretty much a conclusion that Maryland, Florida State, Washington, Oregon State, Syracuse, and Kentucky will take a step back.

How are some of the usual suspects in the 15-25 range looking for next year? West Virginia, DePaul, Oklahoma, Miami, Cal, Arizona St., South Florida, Purdue, etc?




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SDHoops wrote:
ClayK wrote:
So Ohio State will be more motivated than other teams to get to the Final Four?

More motivated than UConn? More motivated than Baylor? More motivated than Tennessee?

I don't really think you can add much motivation to what the top teams already bring to the table. That's like saying one team "wants it more" -- it basically reduces to meaninglessness.

Everyone is motivated, and the top programs are top programs in great part because of that motivation. It's like saying the cherry on the top is the difference between the calorie count in one sundae as opposed to one without. It's just not going to make a difference ...

Oh get over yourself. The McDonald's AA game was boring because all of your picks didn't make it so wah! Always nitpicking my posts...but George Mason made the Final Four when the Regionals were in their home-metro and SDSU women almost made their own regional when it was in their home-metro. Come on Clay, get off your high horse! There's no denying having games on your home court are an advantage let alone a chance to play for a national championship in the college's hometown.


Ohio State can be as motivated as they want. If McGruff isn't motivated to coach his players up defensively it won't mean squat.


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Things ACSUC99 is confused by above:

- Why is it questionable listing South Carolina in the top 4? You could surround Wilson with 4 water girls and they'd still be a threat.

- If it is questionable to list SC why are the people doing the questioning listing Baylor and ND? They did not go as far as SC. Baylor loses 3 starters, are they really BETTER than the last 2 Baylor teams that failed to make it? ND loses Allen and ACL surgery in April is gonna mean Turner will spend the whole season (if she plays) trying to regain her form. I think Baylor and ND are top 10 teams but Wilson makes SC more formidable right now than both.



A few things Artbest23 is confused about.

Tennessee is basically the same team next year with the same coach and a passel of unproven freshmen. I am at a loss as to why so many people seem to think that makes them a final four team.

Baylor has terrific size and quality up front, but has had some struggles because of problems at guard. I see that problem getting worse, not better, next year.

I like Wilson. Indeed, she's my early pick for POY and #1 draft choice. But I don't buy the "you could surround her with four water girls" stuff. SC won because several fortunate events (over which they had no control) happened for them in the tournament, and because of the contributions of two one-year mercenaries. The mercs are gone and it's unlikely things will fall into place like that again in the tournament. I don't see them as a lock at all.

Oregon got hot for a couple of games against a couple of teams that had big question marks all year and suddenly they're a final four team? This is the same team that had a losing record in conference and lost to Colorado and Cal just a couple weeks before. Not buying the hype.

ND's prospects are likely wrapped up in Turner's health, but Ogunbowale, Young, Mabrey and Westbeld are a pretty good foundation. But if Turner doesn't play or isn't effective because of her knee, I don't think you can predict them as a FF team.

Louisville, UCLA, Texas, Ohio St all look to me to be pretty much the same teams as this year. Not clear why we should expect the results to be markedly different.

Looks to me like a lot of top teams (including Notre Dame) are going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. Which means to me their prospects are uncertain.

UConn not being in the final four would be an upset of epic proportions. Miss St is basically intact and has a good shot, but certainly isn't a dominant inevitable force. Beyond that it looks pretty wide open to me.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
acsuc99 wrote:
Things ACSUC99 is confused by above:

- Why is it questionable listing South Carolina in the top 4? You could surround Wilson with 4 water girls and they'd still be a threat.

- If it is questionable to list SC why are the people doing the questioning listing Baylor and ND? They did not go as far as SC. Baylor loses 3 starters, are they really BETTER than the last 2 Baylor teams that failed to make it? ND loses Allen and ACL surgery in April is gonna mean Turner will spend the whole season (if she plays) trying to regain her form. I think Baylor and ND are top 10 teams but Wilson makes SC more formidable right now than both.



A few things Artbest23 is confused about.

Tennessee is basically the same team next year with the same coach and a passel of unproven freshmen. I am at a loss as to why so many people seem to think that makes them a final four team.

Baylor has terrific size and quality up front, but has had some struggles because of problems at guard. I see that problem getting worse, not better, next year.

I like Wilson. Indeed, she's my early pick for POY and #1 draft choice. But I don't buy the "you could surround her with four water girls" stuff. SC won because several fortunate events (over which they had no control) happened for them in the tournament, and because of the contributions of two one-year mercenaries. The mercs are gone and it's unlikely things will fall into place like that again in the tournament. I don't see them as a lock at all.

Oregon got hot for a couple of games against a couple of teams that had big question marks all year and suddenly they're a final four team? This is the same team that had a losing record in conference and lost to Colorado and Cal just a couple weeks before. Not buying the hype.

ND's prospects are likely wrapped up in Turner's health, but Ogunbowale, Young, Mabrey and Westbeld are a pretty good foundation. But if Turner doesn't play or isn't effective because of her knee, I don't think you can predict them as a FF team.

Louisville, UCLA, Texas, Ohio St all look to me to be pretty much the same teams as this year. Not clear why we should expect the results to be markedly different.

Looks to me like a lot of top teams (including Notre Dame) are going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. Which means to me their prospects are uncertain.

UConn not being in the final four would be an upset of epic proportions. Miss St is basically intact and has a good shot, but certainly isn't a dominant inevitable force. Beyond that it looks pretty wide open to me.


so all critics of every top team except UCONN Art ? Really ? Them not making a Final 4 wouldnt be so unbelievable



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ArtBest23 wrote:
acsuc99 wrote:
Things ACSUC99 is confused by above:

- Why is it questionable listing South Carolina in the top 4? You could surround Wilson with 4 water girls and they'd still be a threat.

- If it is questionable to list SC why are the people doing the questioning listing Baylor and ND? They did not go as far as SC. Baylor loses 3 starters, are they really BETTER than the last 2 Baylor teams that failed to make it? ND loses Allen and ACL surgery in April is gonna mean Turner will spend the whole season (if she plays) trying to regain her form. I think Baylor and ND are top 10 teams but Wilson makes SC more formidable right now than both.



A few things Artbest23 is confused about.

Tennessee is basically the same team next year with the same coach and a passel of unproven freshmen. I am at a loss as to why so many people seem to think that makes them a final four team.

Baylor has terrific size and quality up front, but has had some struggles because of problems at guard. I see that problem getting worse, not better, next year.

I like Wilson. Indeed, she's my early pick for POY and #1 draft choice. But I don't buy the "you could surround her with four water girls" stuff. SC won because several fortunate events (over which they had no control) happened for them in the tournament, and because of the contributions of two one-year mercenaries. The mercs are gone and it's unlikely things will fall into place like that again in the tournament. I don't see them as a lock at all.

Oregon got hot for a couple of games against a couple of teams that had big question marks all year and suddenly they're a final four team? This is the same team that had a losing record in conference and lost to Colorado and Cal just a couple weeks before. Not buying the hype.

ND's prospects are likely wrapped up in Turner's health, but Ogunbowale, Young, Mabrey and Westbeld are a pretty good foundation. But if Turner doesn't play or isn't effective because of her knee, I don't think you can predict them as a FF team.

Louisville, UCLA, Texas, Ohio St all look to me to be pretty much the same teams as this year. Not clear why we should expect the results to be markedly different.

Looks to me like a lot of top teams (including Notre Dame) are going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. Which means to me their prospects are uncertain.

UConn not being in the final four would be an upset of epic proportions. Miss St is basically intact and has a good shot, but certainly isn't a dominant inevitable force. Beyond that it looks pretty wide open to me.


so all critics of every top team except UCONN Art ? Really ? Them not making a Final 4 wouldnt be so unbelievable


Why is that unreasonable? UConn lost Chong - meaningless. Everyone else is back plus they add height and depth. Miss St is pretty intact. Everyone else either has significant losses and/or continues the same question marks that plagued them this year.

Why not try providing commentary on where you disagree with what I wrote rather than nothing but mindless snark?


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5. Texas- something scares me about their coach, could be another Goestenkors or worse...Holly.

Ummm.....you really haven't *followed* TX, have you? Laughing Aston is someone who has made gargantuan strides at TX, including a terrific recruiting class coming in. She is highly regarded in the Big 12, and has many successes to her credit. To 'be another Goestenkoers' wouldn't be so bad, either, if we're talking about Coach G in her Duke Dayz.....she was phenomenal there, just couldn't bring it with her to TX.

ArtBest23 wrote:

Oregon got hot for a couple of games against a couple of teams that had big question marks all year and suddenly they're a final four team? This is the same team that had a losing record in conference and lost to Colorado and Cal just a couple weeks before. Not buying the hype.


No need to *buy*....it'll be free for you next season. They're bringing in a 6'4" wing/guard from Germany, who--Graves claims--could be a POY contender as a hs senior, had she played in America. She's already been playing international ball, and even in a professional league. Added to a phenomenal core....Yeah, "anything" seems quite possible .



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ArtBest23 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
acsuc99 wrote:
Things ACSUC99 is confused by above:

- Why is it questionable listing South Carolina in the top 4? You could surround Wilson with 4 water girls and they'd still be a threat.

- If it is questionable to list SC why are the people doing the questioning listing Baylor and ND? They did not go as far as SC. Baylor loses 3 starters, are they really BETTER than the last 2 Baylor teams that failed to make it? ND loses Allen and ACL surgery in April is gonna mean Turner will spend the whole season (if she plays) trying to regain her form. I think Baylor and ND are top 10 teams but Wilson makes SC more formidable right now than both.



A few things Artbest23 is confused about.

Tennessee is basically the same team next year with the same coach and a passel of unproven freshmen. I am at a loss as to why so many people seem to think that makes them a final four team.

Baylor has terrific size and quality up front, but has had some struggles because of problems at guard. I see that problem getting worse, not better, next year.

I like Wilson. Indeed, she's my early pick for POY and #1 draft choice. But I don't buy the "you could surround her with four water girls" stuff. SC won because several fortunate events (over which they had no control) happened for them in the tournament, and because of the contributions of two one-year mercenaries. The mercs are gone and it's unlikely things will fall into place like that again in the tournament. I don't see them as a lock at all.

Oregon got hot for a couple of games against a couple of teams that had big question marks all year and suddenly they're a final four team? This is the same team that had a losing record in conference and lost to Colorado and Cal just a couple weeks before. Not buying the hype.

ND's prospects are likely wrapped up in Turner's health, but Ogunbowale, Young, Mabrey and Westbeld are a pretty good foundation. But if Turner doesn't play or isn't effective because of her knee, I don't think you can predict them as a FF team.

Louisville, UCLA, Texas, Ohio St all look to me to be pretty much the same teams as this year. Not clear why we should expect the results to be markedly different.

Looks to me like a lot of top teams (including Notre Dame) are going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. Which means to me their prospects are uncertain.

UConn not being in the final four would be an upset of epic proportions. Miss St is basically intact and has a good shot, but certainly isn't a dominant inevitable force. Beyond that it looks pretty wide open to me.


so all critics of every top team except UCONN Art ? Really ? Them not making a Final 4 wouldnt be so unbelievable


Why is that unreasonable? UConn lost Chong - meaningless. Everyone else is back plus they add height and depth. Miss St is pretty intact. Everyone else either has significant losses and/or continues the same question marks that plagued them this year.

Why not try providing commentary on where you disagree with what I wrote rather than nothing but mindless snark?


Tennessee did not really lose that much , Jordan Reynolds & Nunn were great for us but they have been replaced X'2 so this team should be a challenge . Holly on the other hand can deny their greatness which is the difference . the talent on the team is way better than i can remember for this upcoming season but the game has to back it up and thats what im scared of . UCONN was not superb with there talent this year neither , they got by a lot due to other teams just not having enough offense . Next year that will change , UCONN losing before the final 4 can happen . Just the way They lost to Miss st in the Final 4 in which no one thought would ever be possible . Maybe Oregon shows up in the elite 8 and plays revenge spoiler like the bulldogs did ?



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Tennessee did not really lose that much , Jordan Reynolds & Nunn were great for us but they have been replaced X'2 so this team should be a challenge . Holly on the other hand can deny their greatness which is the difference . the talent on the team is way better than i can remember for this upcoming season but the game has to back it up and thats what im scared of . Maybe Oregon shows up in the elite 8 and plays revenge spoiler like the bulldogs did ?


Actually I thought Art nailed it. Other than UConn and Miss St, the rest of those most likely to make the FF have too many question marks.

I think Tenn has a great shot if the team matures. There has been way too much "good game-bad game" going on in Knoxville for the last few years. To make the FF a team needs to beat 3 good to great teams in a row and Tenn simply hasn't shown the ability to pull that off. Next year Holly will at least have some talent on the bench, albeit inexperienced talent. Maybe the starters will play with consistent urgency knowing that there are others that can replace them. But relying on untested freshmen and a pg coming off injury puts a big question mark next to the LV's. But a great shot?

As for:
"UCONN ... got by a lot due to other teams just not having enough offense . Next year that will change , UCONN losing before the final 4 can happen . Just the way They lost to Miss st in the Final 4 in which no one thought would ever be possible",

I'll agree that UConn can lose before the FF but what I can't understand is where all the improved offense will come from? Last season UConn beat the top 3 offenses in the country other than themselves and 6 of the top 12. Most of those wins were convincing. And they did it as much with defense as offense. Miss St didn't beat UConn with offense, it was their defense that won it. What teams do you see improving their offense to the extent that they will use it to beat UConn?

Give me your opinion of the chances of each of these teams to make the FF:

UConn - xx%

Tenn - xx%

And you should take off the orange-tinted glasses first. Wink


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acsuc99 wrote:
Things ACSUC99 is confused by above:




A few things Artbest23 is confused about.

Tennessee is basically the same team next year with the same coach and a passel of unproven freshmen. I am at a loss as to why so many people seem to think that makes them a final four team.

Baylor has terrific size and quality up front, but has had some struggles because of problems at guard. I see that problem getting worse, not better, next year.

I like Wilson. Indeed, she's my early pick for POY and #1 draft choice. But I don't buy the "you could surround her with four water girls" stuff. SC won because several fortunate events (over which they had no control) happened for them in the tournament, and because of the contributions of two one-year mercenaries. The mercs are gone and it's unlikely things will fall into place like that again in the tournament. I don't see them as a lock at all.

Oregon got hot for a couple of games against a couple of teams that had big question marks all year and suddenly they're a final four team? This is the same team that had a losing record in conference and lost to Colorado and Cal just a couple weeks before. Not buying the hype.

ND's prospects are likely wrapped up in Turner's health, but Ogunbowale, Young, Mabrey and Westbeld are a pretty good foundation. But if Turner doesn't play or isn't effective because of her knee, I don't think you can predict them as a FF team.

Louisville, UCLA, Texas, Ohio St all look to me to be pretty much the same teams as this year. Not clear why we should expect the results to be markedly different.

Looks to me like a lot of top teams (including Notre Dame) are going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. Which means to me their prospects are uncertain.

UConn not being in the final four would be an upset of epic proportions. Miss St is basically intact and has a good shot, but certainly isn't a dominant inevitable force. Beyond that it looks pretty wide open to me.


I agree with you there are many question marks on Tennessee. They are the mystery of all mysteries. How else to explain how a team can blow out runner Up Mississippi State, win at national champ South Carolina, beat Final 4 Stanford, and beat top seed Notre Dame and than lose to some terrible teams?

Of course if their coach could ever do her job and get them to play with consistency and the team that won those 5 games shows up every game they really do have a claim to have as much talent next year as anyone not named UConn.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said. Lots of question marks and who puts in the work in the off season to lessen the ? marks will tell the tale.


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They all have question marks. Even UConn and Miss. St. Those questions will be settled by Final Four time Laughing



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People need to look more at the early exit from the tournament than early season win over the eventual National Champs.


I know it's inconvenient to your preferred narrative and that you prefer to minimize what they accomplished, but it's not just one game or only early season. In addition to beating South Carolina, they also beat Louisville, Kentucky, Syracuse twice, Miami twice. Two of those wins were in the ACC tournament where they made the finals, so they played well throughout the entire season. They had a good year.

They're unlikely for the final four in 2018, but no less likely than some of the other names being tossed around here.


If you paid ANY attention at all, you'd notice Duke is losing the entire frontcourt. Duke will have one frontcourt player returning plus Ducky Odom, who's basically a wing playing PF. Now, the highest ranked incoming player is a McD AA and is 6-4.

In addition to the losses in the backcourt, the PG who started all season is lost to injury. Lexie Brown earned her AA status at SG and benefitted from a pass first PG.

These are the reasons a person should make more of how the team finished than how they played this past season.

I fully realize that all fans of other ACC schools want JPM to stay coaching at Duke so they will not be contending for anything. The ACC tournament should be re-named the Notre Dame coronation tourney while JPM is at Duke. It's really not necessary to over-state the importance of a team over achieving in one year out of a coach's 10 year career, after GREATLY underachieving while boasting several top 3 classes of players.



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