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Who will win this game?
South Carolina
33%
 33%  [ 9 ]
Mississippi St
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PostPosted: 03/31/17 11:30 pm    ::: #1 South Carolina vs #2 Mississippi St - 4/02/17 Reply Reply with quote

NCAA Tournament National Championship
Dallas, TX - 6:00 PM ET

TV: ESPN (Dave O’Brien & Doris Burke; Kara Lawson)

Video:
http://www.espn.com/watchespn/

Live stats:
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/scoreboard

http://www.ncaa.com/game/basketball-women/d1/2017/04/02/south-carolina-mississippi-st



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PostPosted: 03/31/17 11:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Two non traditional teams in the finals. Hometown kid Wilson spurs all the powers for local South Carolina. MS Native Victoria Vivians passes up a bunch of big offers to go to rebuilding MSU. Now both teams are in the finals.


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PostPosted: 04/01/17 12:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think either team could win so I am not picking!


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PostPosted: 04/01/17 1:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gotta go with Vic here. Can't see him losing 3 in a row to SC.

Despite her higher 'profile' in coaching, Vic has paid his coaching dues for a longer time than Dawn. They each have Enough Good Pieces to win, but I'm thinking his coaching will outshine hers.



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 5:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bulldogs by 17+


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Psychologically, who is worse off? MSU beats UConn, so much hype around it, almost as if people think they have done the biggest thing possible. Let down game for them?

Or is it South Carolina, probably happy they don't have to face UConn, which could sort of indirectly have them underestimating MSU because they are "happy" to face them.

The last time someone beat UConn, it was Stanford, and the very next game they lost to Texas. Is MSU due for a let down game? That year they lost 10 games, losing to teams like Chattanooga as well, so its almost like once you beat UConn maybe its different being treated as the hunted instead of the hunter.


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PostPosted: 04/01/17 7:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would like to see SC win but will be happy either way.


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PostPosted: 04/01/17 7:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Natty features two great coaches who late in the season made key adjustments to drive their respective teams to n'er before reached tournament heights. Game up for grabs, the way it should be.



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 8:34 am    ::: Re: #1 South Carolina vs #2 Mississippi St - 4/02/17 Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
NCAA Tournament National Championship
Dallas, TX - 6:00 PM ET

TV: ESPN (Dave O’Brien & Doris Burke; Kara Lawson)



can we vote on replacements for these three??



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 11:05 am    ::: Re: #1 South Carolina vs #2 Mississippi St - 4/02/17 Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Shades wrote:
NCAA Tournament National Championship
Dallas, TX - 6:00 PM ET

TV: ESPN (Dave O’Brien & Doris Burke; Kara Lawson)



can we vote on replacements for these three??


without UConn there, at least the slobber won't be so redundant.



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 11:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My mind says USC and my heart says MSU...

Will be happy for either.



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 12:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19029839/kaela-davis-out-for-championship-game

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While celebrating Mississippi State's improbable win over Connecticut, Kaela Davis severely sprained her posterior cruciate ligament in her right knee.


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"I want to apologize to my coach. I want to apologize to my teammates. And lastly, I want to our incredible fans. I'm sorry. Done one too many backflips."



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 1:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

USC winning the NC minus Coates would be Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: 04/01/17 1:53 pm    ::: Re: #1 South Carolina vs #2 Mississippi St - 4/02/17 Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Shades wrote:
NCAA Tournament National Championship
Dallas, TX - 6:00 PM ET

TV: ESPN (Dave O’Brien & Doris Burke; Kara Lawson)



can we vote on replacements for these three??


without UConn there, at least the slobber won't be so redundant.


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PostPosted: 04/01/17 2:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Vic Schaefer calls A'ja Wilson "the best player in the country."


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Shades wrote:
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19029839/kaela-davis-out-for-championship-game

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While celebrating Mississippi State's improbable win over Connecticut, Kaela Davis severely sprained her posterior cruciate ligament in her right knee.


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"I want to apologize to my coach. I want to apologize to my teammates. And lastly, I want to our incredible fans. I'm sorry. Done one too many backflips."


Putting April Fools jokes in game threads is not funny.



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 3:52 pm    ::: Re: #1 South Carolina vs #2 Mississippi St - 4/02/17 Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
....without UConn there, at least the slobber won't be so redundant.


Don't hold your breath! We should take bets (or at least run a poll) on how many times we'll see a replay--with analysis--of the Flagrant 1 foul on KLS that (didn't quite) change the course of history.



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 4:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In both games this year, South Carolina basically had 2 players do most of the scoring. If MSU can make some of SC's less offensively talented players beat them, then they can pull it off.

In game 1, Wilson and Gray combined for 43 of 64 points, or 67%.
In game 2, Wilson and Davis combined for 38 of 59 points, or 64%.


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PostPosted: 04/01/17 4:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think a lot of posters, pundits and ESPN slobberers will apply, possibly to their peril, emotionally transitive logic: UConn beat South Carolina, Mississippi State beat "unbeatable" UConn (in vividly recent memory), and therefore Mississippi State should beat South Carolina.

I don't know who'll win, but I think I'm rooting for the Bulldogs, so I'll vote for them with my heart if not my head.
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PostPosted: 04/01/17 4:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Psychologically, who is worse off? MSU beats UConn, so much hype around it, almost as if people think they have done the biggest thing possible. Let down game for them?

Or is it South Carolina, probably happy they don't have to face UConn, which could sort of indirectly have them underestimating MSU because they are "happy" to face them.


And SC beat them twice, so add in the "thrice-in-a-season" angle.

We'll never know what it was, but whichever fits the game result will be applied as gospel.



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PostPosted: 04/01/17 4:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
I think a lot of posters, pundits and ESPN slobberers will apply, possibly to their peril, emotionally transitive logic: UConn beat South Carolina, Mississippi State beat "unbeatable" UConn (in vividly recent memory), and therefore Mississippi State should beat South Carolina.

I don't know who'll win, but I think I'm rooting for the Bulldogs, so I'll vote for them with my heart if not my head.


South Carolina beat MSU twice this year, why even bother looking at common opponents when head to head is available? I'd be surprised if its mentioned much.


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The last time someone beat UConn, it was Stanford, and the very next game they lost to Texas. Is MSU due for a let down game? That year they lost 10 games, losing to teams like Chattanooga as well, so its almost like once you beat UConn maybe its different being treated as the hunted instead of the hunter.


I wouldn't generalize too much from Stanford's win that time. It was very early in the season with young players on the UConn squad facing a less talented but more experienced Stanford team. Stanford hit a last second shot to send it to overtime, and showed more poise in the OT period. I don't think winning that game suddenly turned Stanford into "the hunted" and caused them to lose 10 games over the rest of the season. The reality is that Stanford was a good but not great team that year.


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PostPosted: 04/02/17 11:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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South Carolina beat MSU twice this year, why even bother looking at common opponents when head to head is available? I'd be surprised if its mentioned much.


2011 - UConn defeated Notre Dame three times during the regular season and BE tourney. Notre Dame defeated UConn in final four.

2013 - Notre Dame defeated UConn three times during the regular season and BE tourney. UConn defeated Notre Dame in final four.

I just don't think prior results mean much at this stage of play.

And I think Miss St. is playing dramatically different basketball in the tournament than they played all year.

Far more telling to me is that Miss St. just beat DePaul, Washington, Baylor and UConn in succession. That's a heck of a lot more impressive than ASU, Quinnipiac, FSU and Stanford. If Miss St can beat Baylor and UConn, they can certainly beat S.Car. regardless of what happened in the teams' previous encounters.


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While I really haven't paid anywhere close to the attention to women's or men's college hoops this year that I used to, I would kind of like to see South Carolina win tonight's game.

Simple reason being Dawn Staley. When I first started watching women's hoops, my favorite team was Virginia with Staley, Tammi Reiss, the Burge sisters and my personal favorite, Dena Evans.

With no real interest of fandom in the teams themselves this year, tying back into the start of my women's hoops fandom would be a nice kind of full circle thing.
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USC winning the NC minus Coates would be Laughing Laughing Laughing


Coates didn't play in SC's second victory over MSU in the SEC tourney, and she wasn't the biggest factor in their earlier season win. MSU isn't going to be able to contain Wilson anyway, and the game is likely to depend on how well Gray and Davis play. Either way, it's sad for Coates to miss this FF after her significant contributions to the success of the SC program.

This will be the first time in several years that I plan to watch the entirety of the NC game. This will be much more engaging with a new national champion than a UConn foregone-conclusion smackdown.


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zune69 wrote:
USC winning the NC minus Coates would be Laughing Laughing Laughing


Coates didn't play in SC's second victory over MSU in the SEC tourney, and she wasn't the biggest factor in their earlier season win. MSU isn't going to be able to contain Wilson anyway, and the game is likely to depend on how well Gray and Davis play. Either way, it's sad for Coates to miss this FF after her significant contributions to the success of the SC program.

This will be the first time in several years that I plan to watch the entirety of the NC game. This will be much more engaging with a new national champion than a UConn foregone-conclusion smackdown.



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What was your expectation of the MSU-CT game, and did you even watch? Very Happy



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PostPosted: 04/02/17 12:54 pm    ::: Re: #1 South Carolina vs #2 Mississippi St - 4/02/17 Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
myrtle wrote:
....without UConn there, at least the slobber won't be so redundant.


Don't hold your breath! We should take bets (or at least run a poll) on how many times we'll see a replay--with analysis--of the Flagrant 1 foul on KLS that (didn't quite) change the course of history.


I'm hoping Doris ponders if UConn will have its first losing streak in 886 games, which will happen if they lose their opener (tOSU?) next year...

[midway through
Q2, scored tied at 11]:

"You know Dave, even MORE incredible than the 11 National Championships, the 10 straight final fours, the 111-game winning streak- and these are incredible in and of themselves and speak to the hard work, tirelessness, dedication and PURSUIT OF PERFECTION which define this program, but even more astounding is this statistic: [pause for emphasis] they haven't had a losing streak in 886 games!! They have not lost back-to-back games since March 1993! What do you think about THAT Dave O'Brien?! It's an amazing achievement and we have to wonder if the pressure of losing here in the semifinal will weigh on this team over the course of the summer and into the fall and become an impediment to their PURSUIT OF PERFECTION".

[Meanwhile, 2 fouls and a turnover have occurred, all unmentioned].


Can't wait to see what the espn hype machine will do with this in Nov. Laughing



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November? Why wait?

What's the over/under on the amount of time spent talking tonight about UConn instead of the two teams actually playing in the final? If you think we aren't going to hear Doris blather on about Walker and Stevens and how shocking the loss was and how she said that if you're going to beat them it better be the year because they aren't going to lose another game for the next 25 years, blah blah blah blah blah. . . .

Good drinking game would be the number of times O'Brien calls the Miss St game the biggest upset in history. After all, the world needs to know that this was a total fluke and Miss St doesn't really deserve to be here. And it's Doris and Dave's job to get that message across loud and clear.

They also have TWO one hour pregame shows (ESPNU at 4, ESPN at 5) to fill. Which team will get the most airtime in those shows? SCar, Miss St or UConn?


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November? Why wait?

What's the over/under on the amount of time spent talking tonight about UConn instead of the two teams actually playing in the final? If you think we aren't going to hear Doris blather on about Walker and Stevens and how shocking the loss was and how she said that if you're going to beat them it better be the year because they aren't going to lose another game for the next 25 years, blah blah blah blah blah. . . .

Good drinking game would be the number of times O'Brien calls the Miss St game the biggest upset in history. After all, the world needs to know that this was a total fluke and Miss St doesn't really deserve to be here. And it's Doris and Dave's job to get that message across loud and clear.

They also have TWO one hour pregame shows (ESPNU at 4, ESPN at 5) to fill. Which team will get the most airtime in those shows? SCar, Miss St or UConn?


Yea things need to change. UCONN should not still recieve the most pub in the tourney after the loss. Kind of a slap in the face to the 2 contenders tonight.



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cthskzfn wrote:
FrozenLVFan wrote:
zune69 wrote:
USC winning the NC minus Coates would be Laughing Laughing Laughing


Coates didn't play in SC's second victory over MSU in the SEC tourney, and she wasn't the biggest factor in their earlier season win. MSU isn't going to be able to contain Wilson anyway, and the game is likely to depend on how well Gray and Davis play. Either way, it's sad for Coates to miss this FF after her significant contributions to the success of the SC program.

This will be the first time in several years that I plan to watch the entirety of the NC game. This will be much more engaging with a new national champion than a UConn foregone-conclusion smackdown.



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What was your expectation of the MSU-CT game, and did you even watch? Very Happy


I was definitely expecting another smackdown so I didn't turn it on. I checked the score at half-time and had a Holy **** moment, I need to be watching this. Having seen MSU play a number of games this year, I didn't think they had the talent to beat UConn (and I still don't) but their intensity and team play makes up for that.


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FrozenLVFan wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
FrozenLVFan wrote:
zune69 wrote:
USC winning the NC minus Coates would be Laughing Laughing Laughing


Coates didn't play in SC's second victory over MSU in the SEC tourney, and she wasn't the biggest factor in their earlier season win. MSU isn't going to be able to contain Wilson anyway, and the game is likely to depend on how well Gray and Davis play. Either way, it's sad for Coates to miss this FF after her significant contributions to the success of the SC program.

This will be the first time in several years that I plan to watch the entirety of the NC game. This will be much more engaging with a new national champion than a UConn foregone-conclusion smackdown.



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What was your expectation of the MSU-CT game, and did you even watch? Very Happy


I was definitely expecting another smackdown so I didn't turn it on. I checked the score at half-time and had a Holy **** moment, I need to be watching this. Having seen MSU play a number of games this year, I didn't think they had the talent to beat UConn (and I still don't) but their intensity and team play makes up for that.



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They also have TWO one hour pregame shows (ESPNU at 4, ESPN at 5) to fill. Which team will get the most airtime in those shows? SCar, Miss St or UConn?


well, they've avoided having to talk so much by having a softball game run over into the time slot. They're probably madly trying to re-do the show so that it's not ALL about UConn. They probably had an hour's worth of special moments to recap about the huskies...now delving into the archives trying to find anything to show about MSU.



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zune69 wrote:
USC winning the NC minus Coates would be Laughing Laughing Laughing


Coates didn't play in SC's second victory over MSU in the SEC tourney, and she wasn't the biggest factor in their earlier season win. MSU isn't going to be able to contain Wilson anyway, and the game is likely to depend on how well Gray and Davis play. Either way, it's sad for Coates to miss this FF after her significant contributions to the success of the SC program.

This will be the first time in several years that I plan to watch the entirety of the NC game. This will be much more engaging with a new national champion than a UConn foregone-conclusion smackdown.


I think most agree with you, as the championship game is sold out.....


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I didn't think they had the talent to beat UConn (and I still don't)


My opinion is that UConn would beat Mississippi State seven or eight times out of 10, but this game wasn't one of those times. It happens, and should, and is interesting when it does.
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I didn't think they had the talent to beat UConn (and I still don't)


My opinion is that UConn would beat Mississippi State seven or eight times out of 10, but this game wasn't one of those times. It happens, and should, and is interesting when it does.


yeah, Vic actually implied something to that effect in the post game interview.



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They also have TWO one hour pregame shows (ESPNU at 4, ESPN at 5) to fill. Which team will get the most airtime in those shows? SCar, Miss St or UConn?


well, they've avoided having to talk so much by having a softball game run over into the time slot. They're probably madly trying to re-do the show so that it's not ALL about UConn. They probably had an hour's worth of special moments to recap about the huskies...now delving into the archives trying to find anything to show about MSU.


Hey, it was a Note Dame victory. Definitely worthwhile. Very Happy

But they did find a way to mention UConn in the first line of the basketball show before they mentioned either game participant.


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Had no idea Maria was so tall. Guess we always see her sitting. Did she play somewhere? It's fun to see her and Lobo towering over Landers.



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Had no idea Maria was so tall. Guess we always see her sitting. Did she play somewhere? It's fun to see her and Lobo towering over Landers.


She played volleyball and basketball at UGA.....


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Well folks it is almost game time! I have no idea how this game will end I just hope the ref's call a clean game and not just give the game to EITHER team!


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Interesting conversation about Coates not being there.



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Lets see of the bulldogs have enough in the tank coming off bacl to bakc overtime games



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This is the last night we get to hear the let me make your hands clap song. Sad


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My favorite line of the day so far comes from the South Carolina board. One poster wrote that he had almost forgotten Doris Burke was doing the game, to which another replied:

"She still picks UConn to win it all"

I must admit, I laughed.


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This is the last night we get to hear the let me make your hands clap song. Sad


+1 it grew on me cool song ill be singing it forever #IcanMakeYourHandsClap



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Nice little play for MSST.



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holy shit, burke has mentioned uconn 4x in the first 2.5 mins!



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Just want a good game without the officials being the stars. Also for Doris to get layringitis(sp?)


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PostPosted: 04/02/17 5:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

nice late whistle



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That seemed like a late call on SC.



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PostPosted: 04/02/17 5:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Another one of those if she makes it then no foul, but since she missed we'll blow the whistle calls...


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