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PostPosted: 03/19/17 11:32 pm    ::: #1 Notre Dame vs #5 Ohio St - 3/24/17 Reply Reply with quote

NCAA Tournament Region Semifinal
Lexington, KY - 7:00 PM ET

TV: ESPN (Beth Mowins & Deb Antonelli)

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http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/collegesportslive/?media=551261 (free)

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PostPosted: 03/20/17 3:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe an update on Tuesday about Bri's knee.

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Notre Dame says definitive word on the status of junior forward Brianna Turner is not expected to come until Tuesday now.


http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Notre-Dames-Turner-leaves-game-with-knee-injury-416570513.html



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PostPosted: 03/20/17 3:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If Turner can't play, the dilemma is how long do you play Nelson? I don't think she is going to be too productive against McCoy/Hart but what could cause more matchup problems is going small and just pulling Westbeld or Boley to be the posts and play on the perimeter. Can OSU bigs guard them at the 3 point line? Opens up driving lanes for Mabrey, Allen, Young, and Ogunbowale.

No easy answer but rather than try to match OSU with size which I don't know if ND can do successfully, I think just spreading OSU may be better by playing small ball.


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PostPosted: 03/21/17 12:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would have preferred a 7:30 start.

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Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament



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On his website, Dr. Selene Parekh wrote of Turner’s injury — suffered Sunday in the Irish’s Round of 32 win over Purdue: “Depending on issues, could miss some playing time. Best case – sprain. Worse case – ligament injury or bone bruising.”

(Dr. Parekh has not evaluated Turner personally. He’s just going off what he saw on television.)

We’re optimists, so let’s assume a best case scenario. What do Harvard doctors tell us about the expected recovery time of a knee sprain?

“How long a knee sprain lasts depends on the type of knee sprain, the severity of your injury, your rehabilitation program and the types of sports you play. In general, milder Grade I and Grade II MCL or LCL sprains heal within 2 to 4 weeks, but other types of knee sprains may take 4 to 12 months.”

That would put Turner’s return to the court anywhere from April 2 to April 16. The women’s championship game is April 2.


http://www.onefootdown.com/2017/3/21/14982320/2017-womens-basketball-tournament-notre-dame-brianna-turner-injury-sam-grewe-lee-kiefer-perkovic



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Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament




Sucks. kinda figured. The only good thing is she's not a senior.


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Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament


Sucks so much. I can't even put into words.


So now, does she have surgery, sit out senior year and come back for a fifth?

Or does she have surgery, maybe play some her senior year and hope she goes as a decent draft pick?

I think that I'd prefer her to sit out next year and do her senior year with Mabrey and Ogunbowale. Plus I'm not sure that the PG situation will be all that great next year, so I'm thinking that the next year is the year.



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Big advantage for Ohio State now. Let's see what they do.



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also, with the injuries to South Carolina, you have to wonder if the door is now wide open for Ohio State to advance to the Final 4.



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PostPosted: 03/22/17 9:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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also, with the injuries to South Carolina, you have to wonder if the door is now wide open for Ohio State to advance to the Final 4.


Regardless of ND, there is still Texas and Stanford.


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Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament


Sucks so much. I can't even put into words.


So now, does she have surgery, sit out senior year and come back for a fifth?

Or does she have surgery, maybe play some her senior year and hope she goes as a decent draft pick?

I think that I'd prefer her to sit out next year and do her senior year with Mabrey and Ogunbowale. Plus I'm not sure that the PG situation will be all that great next year, so I'm thinking that the next year is the year.


Isn't Lili Thompson a PG?


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Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament


Sucks so much. I can't even put into words.


So now, does she have surgery, sit out senior year and come back for a fifth?

Or does she have surgery, maybe play some her senior year and hope she goes as a decent draft pick?

I think that I'd prefer her to sit out next year and do her senior year with Mabrey and Ogunbowale. Plus I'm not sure that the PG situation will be all that great next year, so I'm thinking that the next year is the year.



My uneducated guess is that there is little to no damage to her knee other than the ACL- this is based on her reaction and ability to walk off and later return to the bench w/o brace or ice.

If so, recovery these days is 6-9 months. She'll stay with the team as far as it goes in the tournament. If she has surgery in early April at the latest, 9 months out puts her in early January. If all goes well she could be in good form by March at the latest, so it's possible she could still enter next year's W draft as a lottery pick anyway.



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PostPosted: 03/22/17 7:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ucbart wrote:
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pilight wrote:
Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament


Sucks so much. I can't even put into words.


So now, does she have surgery, sit out senior year and come back for a fifth?

Or does she have surgery, maybe play some her senior year and hope she goes as a decent draft pick?

I think that I'd prefer her to sit out next year and do her senior year with Mabrey and Ogunbowale. Plus I'm not sure that the PG situation will be all that great next year, so I'm thinking that the next year is the year.


Isn't Lili Thompson a PG?


no. Definitely a SG.



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PostPosted: 03/22/17 8:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
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pilight wrote:
Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament


Sucks so much. I can't even put into words.


So now, does she have surgery, sit out senior year and come back for a fifth?

Or does she have surgery, maybe play some her senior year and hope she goes as a decent draft pick?

I think that I'd prefer her to sit out next year and do her senior year with Mabrey and Ogunbowale. Plus I'm not sure that the PG situation will be all that great next year, so I'm thinking that the next year is the year.



My uneducated guess is that there is little to no damage to her knee other than the ACL- this is based on her reaction and ability to walk off and later return to the bench w/o brace or ice.

If so, recovery these days is 6-9 months. She'll stay with the team as far as it goes in the tournament. If she has surgery in early April at the latest, 9 months out puts her in early January. If all goes well she could be in good form by March at the latest, so it's possible she could still enter next year's W draft as a lottery pick anyway.


The latest report is that Turner has a torn ACL and a small tear in the lateral meniscus (but the MCL is fine): https://twitter.com/AdamDerWSBT/status/844682039299358720

As a side note, this South Bend sports anchor looks 12 years old in the pic on his Twitter account.


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Without Turner, the advantage on the frontline should be strongly in favor of tOSU. The backcourt is close to a push so I would think tOSU is now the big favorite.



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cthskzfn wrote:
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pilight wrote:
Turner will not play in this game or any other game of the tournament


Sucks so much. I can't even put into words.


So now, does she have surgery, sit out senior year and come back for a fifth?

Or does she have surgery, maybe play some her senior year and hope she goes as a decent draft pick?

I think that I'd prefer her to sit out next year and do her senior year with Mabrey and Ogunbowale. Plus I'm not sure that the PG situation will be all that great next year, so I'm thinking that the next year is the year.



My uneducated guess is that there is little to no damage to her knee other than the ACL- this is based on her reaction and ability to walk off and later return to the bench w/o brace or ice.

If so, recovery these days is 6-9 months. She'll stay with the team as far as it goes in the tournament. If she has surgery in early April at the latest, 9 months out puts her in early January. If all goes well she could be in good form by March at the latest, so it's possible she could still enter next year's W draft as a lottery pick anyway.


The latest report is that Turner has a torn ACL and a small tear in the lateral meniscus (but the MCL is fine): https://twitter.com/AdamDerWSBT/status/844682039299358720

As a side note, this South Bend sports anchor looks 12 years old in the pic on his Twitter account.



Given how her knee bent inward, I would have suspected an MCL before before the lateral meniscus. Guess that's why I'm not a trainer!



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Just watched the sports. They were showing the team getting on the bus for the trip to the airport. Bri has crutches although she wasn't using them much. Could also see the outline of a brace under her pants.



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Without Turner, the advantage on the frontline should be strongly in favor of tOSU. The backcourt is close to a push so I would think tOSU is now the big favorite.


First of all, I'm sick for Turner. It's not only terrible that it happened, it also happened at the worst possible time. With that being said, I still don't give the edge to tOSU in this game. Muffett is light years ahead of McGuff as a coach. If tOSU plays as a team, I think they could win. But their undisciplined style of play would be picked apart by ND. ND clearly has an advantage in the back court, IMO.


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myrtle wrote:
Without Turner, the advantage on the frontline should be strongly in favor of tOSU. The backcourt is close to a push so I would think tOSU is now the big favorite.


First of all, I'm sick for Turner. It's not only terrible that it happened, it also happened at the worst possible time. With that being said, I still don't give the edge to tOSU in this game. Muffett is light years ahead of McGuff as a coach. If tOSU plays as a team, I think they could win. But their undisciplined style of play would be picked apart by ND. ND clearly has an advantage in the back court, IMO.


I see no reason to favor the pupil either. The injury makes it 60/40 in ND's favor instead of 85/15, imo.



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The only way OSU losses this basketball game is if Mitchell tries to do too much,and takes low quality shots.OSU wins by 12+ points.


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"It doesn't change our goal. It probably changes the odds a little bit," McGraw said Wednesday. "



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Allen said the injury to Turner is reminiscent to a knee injury sustained by Natalie Achonwa in a regional final in 2014, when the Irish responded with an 87-61 victory over Maryland in the Final Four.
"That team was so mentally focused and so locked into the task. No one could have stopped us in that game," she said.
She said she hopes the Irish respond with a similar effort against Ohio State.




http://wsbt.com/sports/content/notre-dame-shifts-gears-for-ohio-st-after-losing-turner



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I think Notre Dame is a big favorite. Ohio State is the more talented team without Turner, but they don't play to their potential and McGuff is not a good coach. I'd be very surprised to see an Ohio State victory.


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Earlier in the day, she tweeted, "For the record dislocating your shoulder is far more painful than tearing your ACL, but I would still recommend neither if possible."



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"I have no idea," Irish senior captain Lindsay Allen says with a laugh at home Turner is staying positive. "I think its just her personality. She's always been fun she always has a great sense of humor, always see the bright side of things. I think that's just who she is.

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She just has a strong emotional will and able to still be there for us and see the bright side of things."



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"It definitely inspires me," Kat Westbeld says of Turner's positive attitude. "I’ve never – I couldn't imagine going through what she’s gone through and still being as positive as you can. I’m just cracking up reading her tweets, I don’t know how she does it, but I think that just really shows the type of person Bri is and just really inspires me to play harder and play for her."


http://www.wndu.com/content/sports/Turner-keeping-her-sense-of-humor-despite-suffering-season-ending-injury-416880223.html



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Why would I be negative?


A couple of videos of Bri and Muffet.

http://wsbt.com/news/local/why-would-i-be-negative-notre-dame-star-upbeat-despite-injury



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Some pictures from South Bend and Lexington.

Too bad that someone misspelled Notre Dame as Norte Dame on the signs for the lockers. And that either it wasn't noticed or not noticed in time to replace them. Rolling Eyes

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myrtle wrote:
Without Turner, the advantage on the frontline should be strongly in favor of tOSU. The backcourt is close to a push so I would think tOSU is now the big favorite.


First of all, I'm sick for Turner. It's not only terrible that it happened, it also happened at the worst possible time. With that being said, I still don't give the edge to tOSU in this game. Muffett is light years ahead of McGuff as a coach. If tOSU plays as a team, I think they could win. But their undisciplined style of play would be picked apart by ND. ND clearly has an advantage in the back court, IMO.


I see no reason to favor the pupil either. The injury makes it 60/40 in ND's favor instead of 85/15, imo.


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Westbeld is not as athletic or big as McCoy but McCoy is sort of foul prone. She should try to pump fake and drive, as McCoy is pretty active in attempting to block shots. She will have to respect Westbeld's jumper so I bet she tries to block her shot.

ND takes about 15 threes per game. Given OSU's size and ND missing Turner, I think they could probably try to go for 20-25 threes. They shoot it at a higher clip than Ohio State, almost 40%.


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ND starts out in zone d, also OSU on the 1st possession leaves Mabrey WIDE OPEN from 3. Not a good sign.

OSU up 5-3 two minutes into the game. McCoy made 1 layup but missed 1 open one too.


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Evidently Ohio State doesn't intend to take advantage of their height advantage. Shocked


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Small crowd, might as well have played at Memorial so it doesn't look as bad. I get they can't do that but man this doesn't look good.

Kentucky men play tonight so I'm sure a lot of people don't want to be late to get home and watch and thus are staying home


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Ogunbowale 0-4 right now, 1-2 from the line. Settling for some quick shots.

Both OSU bigs have a foul early, ND needs to try and get them in foul trouble.


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A lot of missed layups early.


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After the timeout, people are finally making shots on both sides.


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Mavunga is in. Let's see how she plays and whether she has some rust


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Mavunga makes a fadeaway but if I'm ND I take her taking contested fadeaways instead of 3's.


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Doss, Harper, and Waterman all have threes in the 1st quarter. Don't usually expect that.


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25-24 at the end of the first. You're not watching an SEC game, that's for sure.


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50% of OSU's shots have been 3's. A little surprising. 5 shots combined for McCoy/Hart/Mavunga.


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Teams have made together 14 of last 15 shots


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Nelson puts the ball on the floor, turnover, OSU bucket. They just aren't going to be able to feed the post much today I guess.


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How can OSU leave Mabrey so open? Started on the very first possession of the game. Amazing


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Boggles my mind why teams play zone against ND.


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25-24 at the end of the first. You're not watching an SEC game, that's for sure.


Resembles a B1G to me.



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Boggles my mind why teams play zone against ND.


Yeah, OSU has good athletes to pressure on the perimeter and they have bigs that can alter shots at the rim. Why give up open set shots from 3? Make them create off the bounce, double off Nelson and make her catch and finish, better than letting Mabrey shoot open 3's in rhythm.


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ND is 8-11 from 3... amazing


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This is some of the best ball I've seen Mitchell play. Her floor game has been terrific so far.

OSU defense remains undisciplined. Not surprised they're getting carved up.



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ND on pace for 100 and there's still 2 minutes left in the 1st half. 50-37 ND with 2 to go


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If OhSt wants to make this a perimeter game, I'll be happy. As a group, ND has better guards. OhSt has Mitchell, but even assuming she's #1, the next four are wearing white.




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