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PostPosted: 02/17/17 2:15 pm    ::: Odyssey Sims traded to Sparks Reply Reply with quote

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5eed41bffd5242aaa12f142476a05590/ap-source-wings-trade-odyssey-sims-sparks-no-4-pick


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The Dallas Wings are trading Sims to the Sparks for the No. 4 pick in the upcoming WNBA draft, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Friday because no official announcement had been made.

The Sparks also receive the 11th pick in the draft, which Los Angeles had traded to Dallas before last season.



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I should be happy because I am not sure what we would have done with that pick anyway, but I continue to be underwhelmed with Odyssey Sims. I know the college accolades, that she was # 2 in the recent draft, etc. However, she simply strikes me as a "volume shooter" (i.e. she might get you 18 points, but she took 18 shots to get there).

I'm more concerned re: Chelsea Gray. I think Gray needs to start in order for her to fully evolve. Bringing in Sims creates competition at the PG spot. Hmm, Penny I hope you know what you are doing!
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Boom goes the Wings! Shocked

How long until Diggins pulls a 'Get Me Outta Here!' Question

Everybody else is doing it...
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I should be happy because I am not sure what we would have done with that pick anyway, but I continue to be underwhelmed with Odyssey Sims. I know the college accolades, that she was # 2 in the recent draft, etc. However, she simply strikes me as a "volume shooter" (i.e. she might get you 18 points, but she took 18 shots to get there).

I'm more concerned re: Chelsea Gray. I think Gray needs to start in order for her to fully evolve. Bringing in Sims creates competition at the PG spot. Hmm, Penny I hope you know what you are doing!


Whattttt?!? I'm kind of on the fence about this acquisition as I think Penny should've waited to see if anyone would declare early. If we get the Simms that played against the US national team before they went to the Olympics, this is a steal. If we get Odyssey that took a million shots to get 15 points while Diggins was out, she might be on the trading block again lol. I think Gray will still be our starter with Simms, Williams and Dabovic off the bench at the 1,2 and 3 positions. Simms and Williams together could be instant offense for LA or instant offense for the opposing team as both are subpar defenders. Having Simms play the backup pg may be better for her defensively. She's actually a pretty good on ball defender, but she's better suited defending the opposing team's pg and not the bigger 2guards. Penny is making moves and I'm excited.



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PostPosted: 02/17/17 3:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Total Agler move. He's not impressed with the potential juiciness at #4. He's also pretty well connected to basketball in Ohio (KMitch). Sims has three years WNBA experience. Aggy like. He gets Sims and still has a first round pick.


Dallas seems to be in continual rebuild mode and loving this draft: #3, #4, & #10.

Would SAN be interested in trading #1 for #3 & #4? Then SAN would have #3, #4, #5



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PostPosted: 02/17/17 3:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://sparks.wnba.com/news/la-sparks-acquire-odyssey-sims-trade-dallas-wings/

Sparks also sent Dallas the #23 pick



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boom*NNEKA*nneka wrote:
I should be happy because I am not sure what we would have done with that pick anyway, but I continue to be underwhelmed with Odyssey Sims. I know the college accolades, that she was # 2 in the recent draft, etc. However, she simply strikes me as a "volume shooter" (i.e. she might get you 18 points, but she took 18 shots to get there).

I'm more concerned re: Chelsea Gray. I think Gray needs to start in order for her to fully evolve. Bringing in Sims creates competition at the PG spot. Hmm, Penny I hope you know what you are doing!


I'm not 100% sure how I feel about this. I like Sims and definitely think she has great potential. For what ever reason, she wasn't able to thrive in Dallas. Dang and didn't they pitch Dallas as her coming home? Yikes! She does present as a volume shooter, but I think in some ways, she had to be after BG graduated. As a pro, the Olympic committee has seemed to like her but something about the system in Dallas hasn't worked particularly well for her. Diggins has been fine with it for the most part when she can stay healthy. This may be the move that Sims needs!

The concern I have in LA is that her and Gray seem a bit redundant. Young, physical guards who like to take some risks. I really expected them to get a vet guard and then you add Williams and Hopkins. That seems to be alot of youth for Agler at key positions. I mean they are not rookies, but...hmmm...It will be interesting to see for sure. Now I have to go check out how Odyssey has been doing during the W offseason.


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PostPosted: 02/17/17 3:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe this will help diggins with the ball in her hands more, Not sure if you start Powers now, but if the Wings did draft Wiese or Walker-Kimbrough to use at the 2 guard it wouldn't be a bad idea.

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This is a terrible trade for the Sparks. Shatori Walker-Kimbrough would have been the perfect player for them to draft at #4. With all due respect, Sims just sucks. She's a career 37.8% shooter and 28.7% from 3. If they want her to be Toliver's replacement, well, I'm not really sure what they're thinking.


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I wonder what number Sims will wear in LA. Alana Beard owns #0.



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I wonder what number Sims will wear in LA. Alana Beard owns #0.


How about #00?



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This is a great trade for Sims and The Sparks. I think when you look at Sims poorer play it because she goes into hero ball mode. The Sparks have a good coach a ton of veteran players. Parker and Ogwumike aren't going to let Sims take 20 shots ever, and high IQ vets like Beard and Carson will be there to show her the way. Sims should thrive in LA. The Sparks get someone who can run the point, create her own shot, and hit some three (probably at her highest career percentage since she isn't going to be throwing up contested shots, and isn't likely to be the player with the ball in her hand as the clock runs down).

Also without Dabo until the end of Euro basket Beard even if she starts at the SG spot is going to be getting all the minutes at the SF spot that Carson doesn't get, unless they go to the 3 big line up. Either way with Toliver gone and Beard sliding to the SF spot sometimes there are a bunch of minutes for Gray, Williams and Simms to split. Sims probably won't be logging 35 minutes a night, but this might have a positive affect on her game as well. It will be interesting to see who starts. I think for noe Sims might end up starting ahead of Gray, but we'll see

Sims/Gray
Beard/Williams
Carson
Parker/TJJ
Ogwunike/Lavender

fill it out with the returning Dabovic, Warley and Hoskins, with Ibekwe and #11 trying to knock someone off for those last, probably never going to see minutes in real games spots since Agler usual only goes 8-9 max in his rotation anyway. Even with the departure of Toliver that is still a pretty intimidating team.


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I wonder what number Sims will wear in LA. Alana Beard owns #0.


With Toliver gone, Beard can switch back to # 20, and Odyssey could take # 0.
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This is a terrible trade for the Sparks. Shatori Walker-Kimbrough would have been the perfect player for them to draft at #4. With all due respect, Sims just sucks. She's a career 37.8% shooter and 28.7% from 3. If they want her to be Toliver's replacement, well, I'm not really sure what they're thinking.


Sims needs a more discipline oriented coach. Fred Williams lets players do whatever they want. Agler isn't going to put up with the kind of nonsense she was getting away with in Dallas/Tulsa.



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On the flip side LA could now deal R. Williams.


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Greg Bibb explains Dallas thinking

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/other-sports/wnba/2017/02/17/dallas-wings-trade-odyssey-sims-los-angeles-sparks-first-round-pick

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"We feel this gives us a lot of flexibility to either use the draft picks or use them to trade for another asset to help us get back to where we want to go, which is back to the WNBA playoffs," Bibb said. "I'm a big believer in you need to give up value to get value in return. Odyssey is a very talented player and I wish her the best in LA but we felt like this was the opportunity to get back to where we want to be."



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Boom goes the Wings! Shocked

How long until Diggins pulls a 'Get Me Outta Here!' Question

Everybody else is doing it...
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i think it was more of Dallas wanting to have O Out than her wanting to leave



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Great move by both teams.Sims will now move to the pg position and become a elite defender.Sims now has a disciplinarian coach.Sims will become a top 3 pg within the next three seasons.Agler was not confident with Gray being his starting PG.For Dallas,this is addition by subtract,plus they get a draft pick.I'm expecting another sparks trade...R.williams for a shooter.

The sparks have improved with this trade.However,they still need a long range shooter.I have them as the 2nd best team right behind minnesota.




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I would think you could get more for Sims than moving up 7 spots in a weak-ass draft.


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I would think you could get more for Sims than moving up 7 spots in a weak-ass draft.


They also got a late second rounder



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PUmatty wrote:
I would think you could get more for Sims than moving up 7 spots in a weak-ass draft.


They also got a late second rounder


Well, then ...


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pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I would think you could get more for Sims than moving up 7 spots in a weak-ass draft.


They also got a late second rounder


woo woo! I think LA definitely wins this one.

also since Sims and Williams have played together, presumably there will be some chemistry there so playing them at the same time will make sense.



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pilight wrote:
I wonder what number Sims will wear in LA. Alana Beard owns #0.


With Toliver gone, Beard can switch back to # 20, and Odyssey could take # 0.


Sounds like a plan



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pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I would think you could get more for Sims than moving up 7 spots in a weak-ass draft.


They also got a late second rounder


woo woo! I think LA definitely wins this one.

also since Sims and Williams have played together, presumably there will be some chemistry there so playing them at the same time will make sense.


Sims and Williams together makes no sense for LA.Both players are high usage,and are only 5'8 at the most Trading Williams for a shooter would be the smart move.


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Right now, it looks like a steal for LA. Dallas should have at least waited to see who declares early for the draft.

It's interesting how these picks are being valued:

#4 + #23 = Sims + #11

#6 + #18 = Swords + #15



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myrtle wrote:
pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I would think you could get more for Sims than moving up 7 spots in a weak-ass draft.


They also got a late second rounder


woo woo! I think LA definitely wins this one.

also since Sims and Williams have played together, presumably there will be some chemistry there so playing them at the same time will make sense.


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Great move by both teams.Sims will now move to the pg position and become a elite defender.Sims now has a disciplinarian coach.Sims will become a top 3 pg within the next three seasons.Agler was not confident with Gray being his starting PG.For Dallas,this is addition by subtract,plus they get a draft pick.I'm expecting another sparks trade...R.williams for a shooter.

The sparks are now my favorite to win the wnba championship.[/b]


The bolded part is pure bull pucky. Chelsea Gray came through in the playoffs in a BIG way. She played smart and made some key shots. And, as a big PG, she gets extra rebounds and deflections that the shrimps can't reach. Chelsea is a tall Lindsay Whalen, although still recovering her full capabilities after two serious injuries. She did WAY better in one season than O.Simms did in three. We'll see who wins out in training camp. I'm betting on C.Gray.



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zune69 wrote:
Great move by both teams.Sims will now move to the pg position and become a elite defender.Sims now has a disciplinarian coach.Sims will become a top 3 pg within the next three seasons.Agler was not confident with Gray being his starting PG.For Dallas,this is addition by subtract,plus they get a draft pick.I'm expecting another sparks trade...R.williams for a shooter.

The sparks are now my favorite to win the wnba championship.[/b]


The bolded part is pure bull pucky. Chelsea Gray came through in the playoffs in a BIG way. She played smart and made some key shots. And, as a big PG, she gets extra rebounds and deflections that the shrimps can't reach. Chelsea is a tall Lindsay Whalen, although still recovering her full capabilities after two serious injuries. She did WAY better in one season than O.Simms did in three. We'll see who wins out in training camp. I'm betting on C.Gray.


In game 5 vs minnesota Agler was upset with Gray's defensive effort and was ready to sit her on the bench.Gray made multiple mental errors in the last 3 minutes that nearly cost LA the championship.Agler also benched Gray in game 3 versus chicago.

Sims will be the starting PG when the season starts,jmo.


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Could Gray and Sims both play at the same time? Beard goes to the three for a small lineup with no true center?

It works for the Warriors ...



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Now with the 11th pick, L.A. can trade the pick and S. Gruda to the Stars for a 2018 1st round pick.

Re-sign Tolo

11 woman Roster

Starters:
Gray
Sims
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Ogwumike
Parker

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Now with the 11th pick, L.A. can trade the pick and S. Gruda to the Stars for a 2018 1st round pick.


Good luck with that. No way SAN should be trading their first rounder in 2018.

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Love this move for Dallas. Puts them firmly in tank mode while turning one of their useless late 1st round picks into something a little more useful.

Not sure how Sims is going to fit with LA. Her and Riquna replacing Toliver is going to take away a lot of touches from the MVP unless they buy in with Agler. Agreed on the point that Sims probably needed a better disciplinarian though. It would be cool to see her fulfill her potential.

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If Sims had to go, I also think its time to look at the coach. I think Fred had what he needed to field a contender. But it would have meant getting a buy in from all his players. That didn't happen.
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Now with the 11th pick, L.A. can trade the pick and S. Gruda to the Stars for a 2018 1st round pick.

Bwahahaha.

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If there is 1 coach that can get Sims on the right path it's Agler. He will take no crap or attitude from her or Williams for that matter.

Good move for the Sparks



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Sparks won't have enough basketballs to placate Williams and Sims, much less give the players who *should* be shooting shots.



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LA let Toliver go. Possibly due to the coring issue in part but it seems to me Sims was part of a plan. To me, I think Agler will help. Sims will have more structure now and an awful lot of support to help her get better looks. Players can evolve. While it's entirely possible Sims will shoot a disproportionate number of shots, with a top coach and solid veteran presence, that might change. Plus Sims can swing between the 1 and 2 and still defend both spots at least to some extent, which should enable time for Gray. I think it's got the potential to work out well for LA. She certainly fits the athleticism level of the rest of the team.

I'd expect different offensive sets from the stuff LA ran last year. More pick and roll, less 4 out and 1 in. If so, you'll probably see somewhat of a change in the numbers of Parker and Nneka as a result.



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Could Gray and Sims both play at the same time? Beard goes to the three for a small lineup with no true center?

It works for the Warriors ...


I don't see why not. IMO the additional of Sims in terms of minutes will have more impact on the minutes R. Williams will get and later Dabovic will get, than the minuets C. Gray will get.

I could see a R. Williams for T. Wright trade.

And yes I know the Liberty are over loaded at the two spot, and just because Wright was cored doesn't mean she wants to move on or the Liberty want her to move on.

But, Wright in LA as a vet back PG makes a ton of sense joining her old coach and maybe trying for one more 'ship, and Laimbeer wanting a tough/athletic player who can create her own shot to feature in the second unit doesn't seem that far fetched to me. I also think both player are going to be on max deals next season so it wouldn't really impact the cap for either team.


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She probably did a cartwheel upon hearing the news. Traded to the champions, with a chance to be their starting PG.


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LA let Toliver go. Possibly due to the coring issue in part but it seems to me Sims was part of a plan.


Maybe.... but I think it's more likely that Toler found a quick solution to Toliver leaving. Agler was probably like "I don't need a rookie. Find someone who will part with a young experienced CG/PG for that #4 pick."
They were probably hoping for Diggins. I wouldn't be surprised if Miller offered Bentley, but I'd prefer Sims over Bentley. Hayes is worth more than #4 unless there's at least two early declarers.

A little early rolling of the dice for these teams. Agler didn't fair too well with his 2012 dice roll.



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Great move by both teams.Sims will now move to the pg position and become a elite defender.Sims now has a disciplinarian coach.Sims will become a top 3 pg within the next three seasons.Agler was not confident with Gray being his starting PG.For Dallas,this is addition by subtract,plus they get a draft pick.I'm expecting another sparks trade...R.williams for a shooter.

The sparks are now my favorite to win the wnba championship.[/b]


The bolded part is pure bull pucky. Chelsea Gray came through in the playoffs in a BIG way. She played smart and made some key shots. And, as a big PG, she gets extra rebounds and deflections that the shrimps can't reach. Chelsea is a tall Lindsay Whalen, although still recovering her full capabilities after two serious injuries. She did WAY better in one season than O.Simms did in three. We'll see who wins out in training camp. I'm betting on C.Gray.


In game 5 vs minnesota Agler was upset with Gray's defensive effort and was ready to sit her on the bench.Gray made multiple mental errors in the last 3 minutes that nearly cost LA the championship.Agler also benched Gray in game 3 versus chicago.

Sims will be the starting PG when the season starts,jmo.


That's the sum total for your BOLDED statement about C.Gray? Seriously? If you watched that series, C.Gray was a key component of victory. Like I said, training camp should be fun and competitive for those two. Everyone needs at least two who can play PG, so had to find a Toliver replacement. Gray knows how to find the hot hand better than anyone, including Simms. I think they'll play together a fair amount.



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I prefer Chelsea at PG. She's taller than Odyssey and sees the floor better. She also defends well. Odyssey not only backs her up but can man (woman?) the SG spot when Alana needs a break or slides to the SF spot. I just want to Chelsea get into top shape so she can be all that she can be.

Well, at least Penny is acquiring more long range firepower to make up for Kristi's absence. With Nneka and Candace creating havoc in the paint, Odyssey will et more open looks than she was used to getting in Dallas. Odyssey is also a very good defender, and I like the idea of her being positively influenced by the super intense Alana and Essence.



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zune69 wrote:
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Great move by both teams.Sims will now move to the pg position and become a elite defender.Sims now has a disciplinarian coach.Sims will become a top 3 pg within the next three seasons.Agler was not confident with Gray being his starting PG.For Dallas,this is addition by subtract,plus they get a draft pick.I'm expecting another sparks trade...R.williams for a shooter.

The sparks are now my favorite to win the wnba championship.[/b]


The bolded part is pure bull pucky. Chelsea Gray came through in the playoffs in a BIG way. She played smart and made some key shots. And, as a big PG, she gets extra rebounds and deflections that the shrimps can't reach. Chelsea is a tall Lindsay Whalen, although still recovering her full capabilities after two serious injuries. She did WAY better in one season than O.Simms did in three. We'll see who wins out in training camp. I'm betting on C.Gray.


In game 5 vs minnesota Agler was upset with Gray's defensive effort and was ready to sit her on the bench.Gray made multiple mental errors in the last 3 minutes that nearly cost LA the championship.Agler also benched Gray in game 3 versus chicago.

Sims will be the starting PG when the season starts,jmo.


That's the sum total for your BOLDED statement about C.Gray? Seriously? If you watched that series, C.Gray was a key component of victory. Like I said, training camp should be fun and competitive for those two. Everyone needs at least two who can play PG, so had to find a Toliver replacement. Gray knows how to find the hot hand better than anyone, including Simms. I think they'll play together a fair amount.


Gray helped LA get the win the title,but she still made poor decisions at the end of the basketball game.Decisions that are unexceptable for a starting PG.Gray is a good 18-24 minute player,but she's not ready to run a offense for a championship contender on a full-time basis.When Toliver signed with washington I felt Agler/Toler would make a move for a pg,and "Bingo",welcome to LA O.Sims.You can say my comment about Agler not being confident with Gray as the starting pg is a bunch os B.S.,But the fact is,LA just acquired a big name 25-30 minute per game PG.


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PostPosted: 02/18/17 1:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jap wrote:
Odyssey is also a very good defender

I understand that this was her reputation in college, but at WNBA level this is a myth. Dallas/Tulsa may have had no real defensive post presence for years, but opponents also repeatedly drive by the perimeter players at will. The injuries she's had since turning pro probably haven't helped, but regardless, she's been no kind of stopper in the WNBA.

That said, it's one of the many reasons that this is a great trade for Sims herself, regardless of how good you think it is for the teams. She gets to go somewhere where defense (or at the very least defensive effort) will be demanded of her, and where there's an actual structure to the team defense. Maybe she finally becomes the defender that people have been claiming she is for years.



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LA let Toliver go. Possibly due to the coring issue in part but it seems to me Sims was part of a plan.


Maybe.... but I think it's more likely that Toler found a quick solution to Toliver leaving. Agler was probably like "I don't need a rookie. Find someone who will part with a young experienced CG/PG for that #4 pick."
They were probably hoping for Diggins. I wouldn't be surprised if Miller offered Bentley, but I'd prefer Sims over Bentley. Hayes is worth more than #4 unless there's at least two early declarers.

A little early rolling of the dice for these teams. Agler didn't fair too well with his 2012 dice roll.


Sims was on the block for months so I doubt it was Toler who went out and found this deal.


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PostPosted: 02/18/17 2:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Great move by both teams.Sims will now move to the pg position and become a elite defender.Sims now has a disciplinarian coach.Sims will become a top 3 pg within the next three seasons.Agler was not confident with Gray being his starting PG.For Dallas,this is addition by subtract,plus they get a draft pick.I'm expecting another sparks trade...R.williams for a shooter.

The sparks are now my favorite to win the wnba championship.[/b]


The bolded part is pure bull pucky. Chelsea Gray came through in the playoffs in a BIG way. She played smart and made some key shots. And, as a big PG, she gets extra rebounds and deflections that the shrimps can't reach. Chelsea is a tall Lindsay Whalen, although still recovering her full capabilities after two serious injuries. She did WAY better in one season than O.Simms did in three. We'll see who wins out in training camp. I'm betting on C.Gray.


In game 5 vs minnesota Agler was upset with Gray's defensive effort and was ready to sit her on the bench.Gray made multiple mental errors in the last 3 minutes that nearly cost LA the championship.Agler also benched Gray in game 3 versus chicago.

Sims will be the starting PG when the season starts,jmo.


That's the sum total for your BOLDED statement about C.Gray? Seriously? If you watched that series, C.Gray was a key component of victory. Like I said, training camp should be fun and competitive for those two. Everyone needs at least two who can play PG, so had to find a Toliver replacement. Gray knows how to find the hot hand better than anyone, including Simms. I think they'll play together a fair amount.

I'm just fascinated by how many times you can misspell Sims' name in one thread despite quoting posts with the correct spelling and seeing the correct spelling in the name of the thread.



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Richyyy wrote:
jap wrote:
Odyssey is also a very good defender

I understand that this was her reputation in college, but at WNBA level this is a myth. Dallas/Tulsa may have had no real defensive post presence for years, but opponents also repeatedly drive by the perimeter players at will. The injuries she's had since turning pro probably haven't helped, but regardless, she's been no kind of stopper in the WNBA.

That said, it's one of the many reasons that this is a great trade for Sims herself, regardless of how good you think it is for the teams. She gets to go somewhere where defense (or at the very least defensive effort) will be demanded of her, and where there's an actual structure to the team defense. Maybe she finally becomes the defender that people have been claiming she is for years.

And you had no problem with jap saying Chelsea Gray was a good defender?



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I also thought, for whatever it's worth, that Sims' D with Dallas was too highly regarded on the board. That said, with a defensive-minded coach like Agler I would expect an upgrade in terms of her playing to her level of explosiveness and talent. Even Toliver played passable D last year for LA. She'll always be limited due to her slight size, but she is one of those little players who could be a pest on defense at times. And statistically she certainly didn't hurt LA from a defensive standpoint. Since Sims is physically an upgrade in defensive talent, I'd expect her to be responsive to Agler's coaching as well.



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PostPosted: 02/19/17 10:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nerd2 wrote:
Shades wrote:
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LA let Toliver go. Possibly due to the coring issue in part but it seems to me Sims was part of a plan.


Maybe.... but I think it's more likely that Toler found a quick solution to Toliver leaving. Agler was probably like "I don't need a rookie. Find someone who will part with a young experienced CG/PG for that #4 pick."
They were probably hoping for Diggins. I wouldn't be surprised if Miller offered Bentley, but I'd prefer Sims over Bentley. Hayes is worth more than #4 unless there's at least two early declarers.

A little early rolling of the dice for these teams. Agler didn't fair too well with his 2012 dice roll.


Sims was on the block for months so I doubt it was Toler who went out and found this deal.


This...People here in dallas are sad to see hometown O leave but we were not suprised. Trade rumors about O started flying around halfway through the end of last season. Remember the game when O and Glory both were suspended for the 1st Qtr Against LA? Twisted Evil Exclamation



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PostPosted: 02/19/17 5:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Indeed, I remember the suspension. Any ideas on what transpired to cause that?

Btw, it looks like Sims is all ready to go eh?

https://twitter.com/CoachRookie/status/833348826639585283/photo/1

I wonder what they told Chelsea? Hmmm


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