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In the Trump press conference this afternoon, Trump claims his electoral college victory was the yugest since Ronald Reagon's. A reporter calls him out on this, and his repose was "Oh, I was given that information." He relies so much on people not fact checking.
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Election Winner Loser Margin
1916 (Wilson) 277 254 23
1920 (Harding) 404 127 277
1924 (Coolidge) 382 136 246
1928 (Hoover) 444 87 357
1932 (Roosevelt) 472 59 413
1936 (Roosevelt) 523 8 515
1940 (Roosevelt) 449 82 367
1944 (Roosevelt) 432 99 333
1948 (Truman) 303 189 114
1952 (Eisenhower) 442 89 353
1956 (Eisenhower) 457 73 384
1960 (Kennedy) 303 219 84
1964 (Johnson) 486 52 434
1968 (Nixon) 301 191 110
1972 (Nixon) 520 17 503
1976 (Carter) 297 240 57
1980 (Reagan) 489 49 440
1984 (Reagan) 525 13 512
1988 (Bush) 426 111 315
1992 (Clinton) 370 168 202
1996 (Clinton) 379 159 220
2000 (Bush) 271 266 5
2004 (Bush) 286 251 35
2008 (Obama) 365 173 192
2012 (Obama) 332 206 126
2016 (Trump) 306 232 74 |
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-electoral-college-victory-margin-lead-over-hillary-clinton-landslide-blowout-historic-kellyanne-conway-comparison-other-elections-list-electors-margin/
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| Posted: 02/16/17 1:56 pm ::: |
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| That is because there are two types of information in Trump World. Stuff he likes and that feeds his narcissism, and Fake News.
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| Posted: 02/16/17 3:15 pm ::: |
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| How in the world are we gonna pay for the psychological help that is obviously necessary for so many US citizens who continue to believe this pathological liar/narcissist/dunce?
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Listening to Maxine Waters blather away on CNN, the sad truth is that the over-the-top conspiracy theories by the wacko fringe Dems are just as ridiculous as the bullshit coming out of the White House.
Trump has a point when he says this is about some people trying to excuse and "relitigate" Clinton's fiasco of a campaign. That doesn't excuse him, but that plainly is what's going on with the total obsession over Russia manifested by some elements of the left.
I still haven't heard a single thing that actually appears to matter in the big picture, either in terms of the election or US security or interests. It looks like another big "gotcha" sideshow.
I'll continue to laugh at the administration's discomforture, and the assinine claims they continue to make, but maybe we should move on to something that matters.
This afternoon was "campaign Trump", which is pretty embarrassing when it's coming from President Trump, not Candidate Trump.
I'm more concerned with today's relaxation of coal rules than I am about some supposed Trump-Putin conspiracy.
Unfortunately I'm afraid that the Russia hysteria will distract attention from stuff that really matters.
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Deflect, deflect, deflect, snort, sniffle, snort, sniffle, deflect, bigoted comment, bigoted comment, deflect, deflect, Hilary, Obama, I won the electoral college, deflect, deflect...
I mean...I didn't even have to watch this trash conference to know the script.
And I get that journalists need to keep pressing him, but I'm tired of them entertaining this bigoted idiot. Like you know what dumb ass offensive answers he's gonna give...They need to be slapping handcuffs on his tiny wrists and trying his orange ass for treason. Wake me when that happens.
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President Trump handled those questions extremely well. The left is clearly unhinged because they've never felt disrespected before. You can tell by all their reactions (their stories in the news) that they're angry and are hellbent on undermining this administration.
I'm beginning to wonder what will happen if President Trump actually committed something impeachable. The way his opponents shoot their wad over everything... even if it's nothing (like the Russians hacked the election nonsense and the President tied to Russia). He could commit a crime, or do something bad enough, and people would probably just ignore it because the fringe just keeps crying wolf over fake news stories.
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Listening to Maxine Waters blather away on CNN, the sad truth is that the over-the-top conspiracy theories by the wacko fringe Dems are just as ridiculous as the bullshit coming out of the White House.
Trump has a point when he says this is about some people trying to excuse and "relitigate" Clinton's fiasco of a campaign. That doesn't excuse him, but that plainly is what's going on with the total obsession over Russia manifested by some elements of the left.
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I think your bias against Clinton is clouding your judgement here. There has been plenty of information released.
Clinton did some things wrong, but she wasn't dealt a fair hand either. That's irrelevant to connections our President has with a foreign power.
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| Posted: 02/16/17 11:44 pm ::: |
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| How in the world are we gonna pay for the psychological help that is obviously necessary for so many US citizens who continue to believe this pathological liar/narcissist/dunce? |
Psychologists can do that, convince someone to change their mind on semi-enforcement of immigration laws and start liking job export?
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| Posted: 02/16/17 11:57 pm ::: |
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Listening to Maxine Waters blather away on CNN, the sad truth is that the over-the-top conspiracy theories by the wacko fringe Dems are just as ridiculous as the bullshit coming out of the White House.
Trump has a point when he says this is about some people trying to excuse and "relitigate" Clinton's fiasco of a campaign. That doesn't excuse him, but that plainly is what's going on with the total obsession over Russia manifested by some elements of the left.
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I think your bias against Clinton is clouding your judgement here. There has been plenty of information released.
Clinton did some things wrong, but she wasn't dealt a fair hand either. That's irrelevant to connections our President has with a foreign power. |
"Plenty of information" about what?
It's all just huffing and puffing and phony indignation, and in the end amounts to nothing.
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| Posted: 02/17/17 9:13 am ::: |
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| Some folks defended Nixon to the bitter end.
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President Trump handled those questions extremely well. The left is clearly unhinged because they've never felt disrespected before. You can tell by all their reactions (their stories in the news) that they're angry and are hellbent on undermining this administration.
I'm beginning to wonder what will happen if President Trump actually committed something impeachable. The way his opponents shoot their wad over everything... even if it's nothing (like the Russians hacked the election nonsense and the President tied to Russia). He could commit a crime, or do something bad enough, and people would probably just ignore it because the fringe just keeps crying wolf over fake news stories. |
With the above amount of non-reality so prevalent, I truly believe the country is fucked for good.
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| Posted: 02/17/17 9:58 am ::: |
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Isn't everything that comes out of his mouth an alternate fact?
That's pretty much what I go with.
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| Posted: 02/17/17 12:32 pm ::: |
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| I still don't understand his supporters taking his side about what happened in that segment.
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| Posted: 02/17/17 12:32 pm ::: |
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| I still don't understand his supporters taking his side about what happened in that segment. |
It's because those of us who support him have the same dissent for the media as he does.
Whenever the fringe element of the left gets upset about something President Trump does, it's usually a good indicator that something good has happened to our country. The left only celebrates when bad things happen when the sitting President is Republican. For example, the celebratory death count of our soldiers in Iraq on CNN under President Bush.
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| For example, the celebratory death count of our soldiers in Iraq on CNN under President Bush. |
Some people don't like it when American soldiers are sent to be killed under false pretenses. They like it even less when nothing is gained from the incursion.
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| Posted: 02/17/17 6:36 pm ::: |
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| I still don't understand his supporters taking his side about what happened in that segment. |
It's because those of us who support him have the same dissent for the media as he does.
Whenever the fringe element of the left gets upset about something President Trump does, it's usually a good indicator that something good has happened to our country. The left only celebrates when bad things happen when the sitting President is Republican. For example, the celebratory death count of our soldiers in Iraq on CNN under President Bush. |
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| Whenever the fringe element of the left gets upset about something President Trump does, it's usually a good indicator that something good has happened to our country. |
....and what's that current "something good"?? Oh, yaaa....nada.
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| The left only celebrates when bad things happen when the sitting President is Republican. For example, the celebratory death count of our soldiers in Iraq on CNN under President Bush. |
Yes, of course. And I remember all the parties right after 9-11.
I get it....being as delusional as Donald himself helps one's appreciation of Donald himself.
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| Whenever the fringe element of the left gets upset about something President Trump does, it's usually a good indicator that something good has happened to our country. |
....and what's that current "something good"?? Oh, yaaa....nada.
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| The left only celebrates when bad things happen when the sitting President is Republican. For example, the celebratory death count of our soldiers in Iraq on CNN under President Bush. |
Yes, of course. And I remember all the parties right after 9-11.
I get it....being as delusional as Donald himself helps one's appreciation of Donald himself. |
They are truly delusional. It's astounding.
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Trump attacks 'dishonest media' while making false claims at Florida rally
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“When the media lies to people I will never ever let them get away with it,” he said.
With his speech, Trump continued driving on his attack of reporters, newspapers and news networks, generalizing them as “the dishonest media”.
“We are not going to let the fake news tell us what to do, how to live and what to believe,” he said. “We are free, independent people and we will make our own choices.” Trump cited the press criticisms of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln as precedents in his war on the media. All three had combative relationships with the press, though Lincoln cultivated reporters and Jefferson once declared he would prefer “newspapers without government” rather than the reverse.
As in his campaign speeches, Trump bemoaned the state of domestic and foreign affairs claiming, “I and we inherited one big mess” and “we don’t win in any capacity”. As in the campaign, he boasted about the size of the crowd and his victory over the Democratic party, which he said had suffered “the greatest defeat in the history of the country”. |
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Ugh.
I was really hoping this would turn into a Jesse Ventrua thing. I was worried when we elected him in Minnesota that he would be a joke, but he actually governed well, selected very good advisors and listened to them...
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Trump has actually said in rally speeches "I will NEVER EVER lie to you".
One of his childhood classmates said that Trump as a boy would never admit to being wrong or lying. It is unfortunate that the term "fake news" came up with regard to conservative websites and that Trump was able to use it to counter any news agency that reports something critical.
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He didn't say "look at what happened last night" and he also didn't say "terrorist attack". So his statement doesn't agree with the narrative of a claim of a terrorist attack happened in Sweden last night, either. The fact that the show had been on last night, and talking about immigrants boosting crime rates in Sweden makes it very likely that it was what he was referring to. Things "happening" in Sweden that he heard about "last night".
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| For example, the celebratory death count of our soldiers in Iraq on CNN under President Bush. |
Some people don't like it when American soldiers are sent to be killed under false pretenses. They like it even less when nothing is gained from the incursion. |
So just for the record, which false pretenses were those? Before you answer that I'd like to give you a link. There are more but I'll give you this one:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq
Nothing was gained from the incursion, yes I agree with that. But CNN was undermining the war effort for political gain. That's why they were so gleeful everytime they hit another "milestone" in the troop death count.
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He didn't say "look at what happened last night".. . .
Things "happening" in Sweden that he heard about "last night".
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"You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden"
I quoted it correctly.
It was addressing an event occurring in Sweden the night before, NOT something that happened in Sweden years ago that he just heard about for the first time last night. Nothing happened in Sweden the night before. It was total bullshit.
But with contortions like that there's a job waiting for you on Conway's staff.
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| Trump supporters should be sequestered in Death Valley. |
This is an excellent example of why voters are disgusted with leftists in general. Snide comments filled with name calling and hate. One of the many reasons why over 1200 seats at the federal, state and local levels have been lost in just the last 6 years.
You should post on the Yahoo "News" comment section, you would be a natural over there!
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| Trump supporters should be sequestered in Death Valley. |
This is an excellent example of why voters are disgusted with leftists in general. Snide comments filled with name calling and hate. One of the many reasons why over 1200 seats at the federal, state and local levels have been lost in just the last 6 years.
You should post on the Yahoo "News" comment section, you would be a natural over there! |
You do realize Clinton received millions more votes than Trump, right?
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| Trump supporters should be sequestered in Death Valley. |
This is an excellent example of why voters are disgusted with leftists in general. Snide comments filled with name calling and hate. One of the many reasons why over 1200 seats at the federal, state and local levels have been lost in just the last 6 years.
You should post on the Yahoo "News" comment section, you would be a natural over there! |
You do realize Clinton received millions more votes than Trump, right? |
Yes, she overwhelmingly carried two states that are huge population centers. Thank you for bringing this up.
As the left proudly touted "the law of the land" over the past 8 years, the law of the land also includes something called the Electoral College. The reason for having an Electoral College was to prevent the direct election by the people that would lead to a monarchy. A representative republic protects the rights of ALL citizens, not just the majority.
If we were to change to a direct democracy, campaigns would only happen in 4 states, while everyone else would just be ignored. Those other states would also be ignored during the presidency as they would not be a significant voting bloc. The way the two candidates campaigned would have changed dramatically.
As far as the total vote count goes, it's irrelevant for 1) the reasons I just explained, and 2) voter fraud has been proven to exist. In fact, during the recounts (at the taxpayers' expense, I might add), Trump actually GAINED votes, instead of losing them (as was the objective).
Here's a number you can add to your total vote math: Out of a total 3,141 voting counties in the United States, President Trump won 3,084. Hillary won a paltry 57. If that doesn't justify a representative republic, then I don't know what will!
The electoral college worked out great for Bill Clinton, whose popular vote was only at 33%. So it's the law of the land that wins here, as the left had been so quick to proclaim from 2009 until last month. You can't tout the law when it works in your favor, then cry for the law to be erased when it doesn't. Life doesn't work that way.
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| Trump supporters should be sequestered in Death Valley. |
This is an excellent example of why voters are disgusted with leftists in general. Snide comments filled with name calling and hate. One of the many reasons why over 1200 seats at the federal, state and local levels have been lost in just the last 6 years.
You should post on the Yahoo "News" comment section, you would be a natural over there! |
You do realize Clinton received millions more votes than Trump, right? |
Yes, she overwhelmingly carried two states that are huge population centers. Thank you for bringing this up.
As the left proudly touted "the law of the land" over the past 8 years, the law of the land also includes something called the Electoral College. The reason for having an Electoral College was to prevent the direct election by the people that would lead to a monarchy. A representative republic protects the rights of ALL citizens, not just the majority.
If we were to change to a direct democracy, campaigns would only happen in 4 states, while everyone else would just be ignored. Those other states would also be ignored during the presidency as they would not be a significant voting bloc. The way the two candidates campaigned would have changed dramatically.
As far as the total vote count goes, it's irrelevant for 1) the reasons I just explained, and 2) voter fraud has been proven to exist. In fact, during the recounts (at the taxpayers' expense, I might add), Trump actually GAINED votes, instead of losing them (as was the objective).
Here's a number you can add to your total vote math: Out of a total 3,141 voting counties in the United States, President Trump won 3,084. Hillary won a paltry 57. If that doesn't justify a representative republic, then I don't know what will!
The electoral college worked out great for Bill Clinton, whose popular vote was only at 33%. So it's the law of the land that wins here, as the left had been so quick to proclaim from 2009 until last month. You can't tout the law when it works in your favor, then cry for the law to be erased when it doesn't. Life doesn't work that way. |
Millions more American citizens voted for Clinton that Trump. A true representative republic would reflect that result.
Voter fraud, as touted by you and other phony rightwingers, is not a problem. Voter suppression is. Address Interstate Crosscheck.
38% approval rating....as many Americans want impeachement as don't.
It's just a matter of time before your fearless leader is gone and we get to deal with the real homophobic ass.
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| Trump supporters should be sequestered in Death Valley. |
This is an excellent example of why voters are disgusted with leftists in general. Snide comments filled with name calling and hate. One of the many reasons why over 1200 seats at the federal, state and local levels have been lost in just the last 6 years.
You should post on the Yahoo "News" comment section, you would be a natural over there! |
You do realize Clinton received millions more votes than Trump, right? |
Yes, she overwhelmingly carried two states that are huge population centers. Thank you for bringing this up.
As the left proudly touted "the law of the land" over the past 8 years, the law of the land also includes something called the Electoral College. The reason for having an Electoral College was to prevent the direct election by the people that would lead to a monarchy. A representative republic protects the rights of ALL citizens, not just the majority.
If we were to change to a direct democracy, campaigns would only happen in 4 states, while everyone else would just be ignored. Those other states would also be ignored during the presidency as they would not be a significant voting bloc. The way the two candidates campaigned would have changed dramatically.
As far as the total vote count goes, it's irrelevant for 1) the reasons I just explained, and 2) voter fraud has been proven to exist. In fact, during the recounts (at the taxpayers' expense, I might add), Trump actually GAINED votes, instead of losing them (as was the objective).
Here's a number you can add to your total vote math: Out of a total 3,141 voting counties in the United States, President Trump won 3,084. Hillary won a paltry 57. If that doesn't justify a representative republic, then I don't know what will!
The electoral college worked out great for Bill Clinton, whose popular vote was only at 33%. So it's the law of the land that wins here, as the left had been so quick to proclaim from 2009 until last month. You can't tout the law when it works in your favor, then cry for the law to be erased when it doesn't. Life doesn't work that way. |
Try getting information from somewhere besides Facebook memes. Clinton won a lot more than 33% of the vote. Hillary Clinton won a lot more than 57 counties. Facts are actual things, despite the continued lies to and from people like you.
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| voter fraud has been proven to exist |
Yeah, turns out multiple members of Trump's family and inner circle were registered in multiple states, including Bannon, Spicer, Kushner, Munchin. Probably why nothing ever came of Trump's tweet "I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states".
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| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| cthskzfn wrote: |
| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| cthskzfn wrote: |
| Trump supporters should be sequestered in Death Valley. |
This is an excellent example of why voters are disgusted with leftists in general. Snide comments filled with name calling and hate. One of the many reasons why over 1200 seats at the federal, state and local levels have been lost in just the last 6 years.
You should post on the Yahoo "News" comment section, you would be a natural over there! |
You do realize Clinton received millions more votes than Trump, right? |
Yes, she overwhelmingly carried two states that are huge population centers. Thank you for bringing this up.
As the left proudly touted "the law of the land" over the past 8 years, the law of the land also includes something called the Electoral College. The reason for having an Electoral College was to prevent the direct election by the people that would lead to a monarchy. A representative republic protects the rights of ALL citizens, not just the majority.
If we were to change to a direct democracy, campaigns would only happen in 4 states, while everyone else would just be ignored. Those other states would also be ignored during the presidency as they would not be a significant voting bloc. The way the two candidates campaigned would have changed dramatically.
As far as the total vote count goes, it's irrelevant for 1) the reasons I just explained, and 2) voter fraud has been proven to exist. In fact, during the recounts (at the taxpayers' expense, I might add), Trump actually GAINED votes, instead of losing them (as was the objective).
Here's a number you can add to your total vote math: Out of a total 3,141 voting counties in the United States, President Trump won 3,084. Hillary won a paltry 57. If that doesn't justify a representative republic, then I don't know what will!
The electoral college worked out great for Bill Clinton, whose popular vote was only at 33%. So it's the law of the land that wins here, as the left had been so quick to proclaim from 2009 until last month. You can't tout the law when it works in your favor, then cry for the law to be erased when it doesn't. Life doesn't work that way. |
Try getting information from somewhere besides Facebook memes. Clinton won a lot more than 33% of the vote. Hillary Clinton won a lot more than 57 counties. Facts are actual things, despite the continued lies to and from people like you. |
That was a typo I meant to say 43% for Bill Clinton. Still an overwhelming minority of the popular vote.
You should be more concerned with the "facts" that YOU are being fed. Or don't, it's fine with me. I am enjoying watching your party riot on the streets populated by your own constituents, destroying property, threatening to blow up the White House, and talking about bleeding on your bed sheets. The only thing I don't like is that some of you are blocking paths to the hospital. But by all means... keep doing what you're doing! You're being told it's a "protest." The majority of normal people don't see it that way. Sorry.
Speaking of facts, I couldn't help but laugh at the thread about spies keeping intelligence from President Trump. Rest assured you will never hear about that story again because it was fake news. Never even happened. Sorry!
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| Speaking of facts, I couldn't help but laugh at the thread about spies keeping intelligence from President Trump. Rest assured you will never hear about that story again because it was fake news. Never even happened. Sorry! |
And you know this because? The media is definitely capable of getting a story wrong now and then, though even then it seldom ranks as "fake news". But the fact that so many people just buy into Trump's claims of "fake news" and "media bad" is truly frightening.
When someone in power, no matter what party they belong to, calls a news story (as opposed to an opinion piece or commentary) that is critical of them "fake" we should be extremely cynical of that claim. And when they try to disparage the entire institution of the press, an institution that is one of the major checks on Authoritarian power, we need to demand hard, factual evidence of that claim, or else reject it out of hand. When even Fox's news desk is condeming these claims we should recognize how dangerous they are.
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| Speaking of facts, I couldn't help but laugh at the thread about spies keeping intelligence from President Trump. Rest assured you will never hear about that story again because it was fake news. Never even happened. Sorry! |
And you know this because? The media is definitely capable of getting a story wrong now and then, though even then it seldom ranks as "fake news". But the fact that so many people just buy into Trump's claims of "fake news" and "media bad" is truly frightening. |
Trump's claims of fake news? You think this is something new? This has been happening long before President Trump, or Obama, or Bush, or Clinton. It's definitely a lot WORSE than it used to be. But you're foolish if you think Trump is leading this charge of fake news. He's just drawing more attention to it than you're used to. Take a good look in the mirror (I know you won't). Is it everyone else buying into something, or just you?
For the record, President Trump was not my choice for President, at least not until Hillary Clinton became the opponent. Literally the biggest criminal in the history of politics and so many of you follow her like sheep. People want to talk about the popular vote and conveniently forget about Bernie Sanders' votes that were overruled by superdelegates.
Why would I NOT support our President? Clearly he cares about this country, so why would I root against our way of life? Yes, I think he should get his facts straight before opening mouth (or keyboard). But the same can be said about his predecessor, who said many stupid things without first getting his facts straight (and don't even get me started on that unless you want a laundry list!), as well as the media. The media may have the freedom of press, but they also have a responsibility to deliver FACTUAL information, not this lying to people to get them to vote a certain way like what's happening today.
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Can you give me some specific example of where the news press (not commentary) has been "fake"? Journalists and their publications take journalistic ethics seriously, and when they cross lines they are 99.9% of the time called out by their peers.
They are human, and can make mistakes, but they also correct them immediately when the error is pointed out. I think everyone can agree that the news is sensationalistic (and has been since Pulitzer and Hearst pulled us into a war), and that the "commentary creep", where opinion and commentary shows populate a "news" network, is getting out of control, but that is different than calling fact based journalism "fake".
As Chris Wallace pointed out on Fox, there is a difference in Trump's rhetoric than that of other presidents. He noted that Fox and Obama had a famously contentious relationship and that he would take shots at them, but they were always about commentary, not specific news stories, and even then he never went as far as to call Fox "fake".
Thomas Jefferson also had a contentious relationship with the press, yet he went as far as to say that in a choice between government without the press and the press without government, je would chose the press every time.
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Can you give me some specific example of where the news press (not commentary) has been "fake"? Journalists and their publications take journalistic ethics seriously, and when they cross lines they are 99.9% of the time called out by their peers.
They are human, and can make mistakes, but they also correct them immediately when the error is pointed out. I think everyone can agree that the news is sensationalistic (and has been since Pulitzer and Hearst pulled us into a war), and that the "commentary creep", where opinion and commentary shows populate a "news" network, is getting out of control, but that is different than calling fact based journalism "fake". |
Here's one right off the top of my head. I can gather up plenty more if you'd like but this one can whet your appetite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMZdlOiyiSA
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| As Chris Wallace pointed out on Fox, there is a difference in Trump's rhetoric than that of other presidents. He noted that Fox and Obama had a famously contentious relationship and that he would take shots at them, but they were always about commentary, not specific news stories, and even then he never went as far as to call Fox "fake". |
Aaaand here's one of Obama attacking fox News. This one is a compilation, for your convenience. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYKyPGM0mY4
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| cthskzfn wrote: |
| Stonington_QB wrote: |
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| Stonington_QB wrote: |
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| Trump supporters should be sequestered in Death Valley. |
This is an excellent example of why voters are disgusted with leftists in general. Snide comments filled with name calling and hate. One of the many reasons why over 1200 seats at the federal, state and local levels have been lost in just the last 6 years.
You should post on the Yahoo "News" comment section, you would be a natural over there! |
You do realize Clinton received millions more votes than Trump, right? |
Yes, she overwhelmingly carried two states that are huge population centers. Thank you for bringing this up.
As the left proudly touted "the law of the land" over the past 8 years, the law of the land also includes something called the Electoral College. The reason for having an Electoral College was to prevent the direct election by the people that would lead to a monarchy. A representative republic protects the rights of ALL citizens, not just the majority.
If we were to change to a direct democracy, campaigns would only happen in 4 states, while everyone else would just be ignored. Those other states would also be ignored during the presidency as they would not be a significant voting bloc. The way the two candidates campaigned would have changed dramatically.
As far as the total vote count goes, it's irrelevant for 1) the reasons I just explained, and 2) voter fraud has been proven to exist. In fact, during the recounts (at the taxpayers' expense, I might add), Trump actually GAINED votes, instead of losing them (as was the objective).
Here's a number you can add to your total vote math: Out of a total 3,141 voting counties in the United States, President Trump won 3,084. Hillary won a paltry 57. If that doesn't justify a representative republic, then I don't know what will!
The electoral college worked out great for Bill Clinton, whose popular vote was only at 33%. So it's the law of the land that wins here, as the left had been so quick to proclaim from 2009 until last month. You can't tout the law when it works in your favor, then cry for the law to be erased when it doesn't. Life doesn't work that way. |
Millions more American citizens voted for Clinton that Trump. A true representative republic would reflect that result.
Voter fraud, as touted by you and other phony rightwingers, is not a problem. Voter suppression is. Address Interstate Crosscheck.
38% approval rating....as many Americans want impeachement as don't.
It's just a matter of time before your fearless leader is gone and we get to deal with the real homophobic ass. |
It's harder to decide what to laugh at... your dreams of impeachment (followed by oppression apparently?), or your continued belief in the polls... the ORIGINAL fake news.
And seriously... I JUST explained to you what a representative republic is. You have to READ.
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