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PostPosted: 07/14/17 2:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Interesting. Seems accurate to me.
For those who can't or didn't watch, the speaker uses the example from the Bible where two women brought a baby before the king saying it was theirs, and when he said to cut it in half the actual mother said no, to just let the other woman have the baby.

The conclusion in comparison to the US is that Trump supporters feel left behind. They don't feel a part of the modern America. They would rather have a dead half of a country, than let the country continue to move forward. They don't care about Russia, collusion with foreign powers, etc. Trump is their mouthpiece, and they don't care how it came about. This is why support remains strong or basically unwavering among Trumpettes (or whatever people call them). Because they don't care about the law, social order, any of the structure of our country. It's dead to them.



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PostPosted: 07/14/17 4:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

(Good to see you again, woman! Cool )
norwester wrote:
The conclusion in comparison to the US is that Trump supporters feel left behind. They don't feel a part of the modern America. They would rather have a dead half of a country, than let the country continue to move forward. They don't care about Russia, collusion with foreign powers, etc. Trump is their mouthpiece, and they don't care how it came about. This is why support remains strong or basically unwavering among Trumpettes (or whatever people call them). Because they don't care about the law, social order, any of the structure of our country. It's dead to them.


I would be inclined to agree with this, inasmuch as there ARE people in that category: the very disenchanted, disenfranchised set that are feeling like quality of life is evading them. BUT: MOST of the people *I* know that are Trump supporters (middle-class or better) will be the first to screech the loudest when anarchy hits. They're the ones that crave for America to return to the Good Ol' (White Boy) Dayz, when June Cleaver rocked our world, and Jesus fixed things. And this part puzzles me, cuz that was ALSO when Russia was Enemy #1. And now, 'they' can just overlook this collusion? Rolling Eyes

I do hope that Congress finally realizes Impeachment is a necessary thing, if want to have any hope for a predictable future.



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PostPosted: 07/21/17 8:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office. Updated July 20: The president is still lying, so we've added to this list, and provided links to the facts in each case.

Trump Told Public Lies or Falsehoods Every Day for His First 40 Days

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html



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PostPosted: 07/21/17 9:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/343055-dem-rep-trump-threatened-mueller-by-trying-to-set-limits-for-russia-probe

Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) accused President Trump on Thursday of threatening special counsel Robert Mueller by saying that the former FBI director would cross a line if his investigation into Russian election meddling delves into the Trump family's finances.



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https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2017/07/20/incoherent-president-trump/tMBXYu0BRg50ESgfpfhMCI/story.html

The piece de resistance, however, is Trump talking about foreign policy:

“Crimea was gone during the Obama administration, and he gave, he allowed it to get away. You know, he can talk tough all he wants, in the meantime he talked tough to North Korea. And he didn’t actually. He didn’t talk tough to North Korea. You know, we have a big problem with North Korea. Big. Big, big. You look at all of the things, you look at the line in the sand. The red line in the sand in Syria. He didn’t do the shot. I did the shot. Had he done that shot, he wouldn’t have had — had he done something dramatic, because if you remember, they had a tremendous gas attack after he made that statement. Much bigger than the one they had with me.”

To call this incoherent babble is an insult to incoherent babble.



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PostPosted: 07/21/17 10:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BAKER: Will you go to Britain? Are you going to make a state visit to Britain? Are you going to be able to do that?

TRUMP: As to Britain?

BAKER: Yeah.

HABERMAN: Will you go there?

[crosstalk]

TRUMP: Ah, they’ve asked me. What was interesting — so, when Macron asked, I said: “Do you think it’s a good thing for me to go to Paris? I just ended the Paris Accord last week. Is this a good thing?” He said, “They love you in France.” I said, “O.K., I just don’t want to hurt you.”

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TRUMP: We had dinner at the Eiffel Tower, and the bottom of the Eiffel Tower looked like they could have never had a bigger celebration ever in the history of the Eiffel Tower. I mean, there were thousands and thousands of people, ’cause they heard we were having dinner.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 10:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FBI raided Manafort's house 7/26/17.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-conducted-predawn-raid-of-former-trump-campaign-chairman-manaforts-home/2017/08/09/5879fa9c-7c45-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.549905402b38


FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump’s former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.


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PostPosted: 08/18/17 3:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I say we ask God.

Heavenly Father, we seek your guidance. Should Dear Leader Trump be impeached? If thus is your divine will, we beseech you to send us a sign: sometime next week let the Earth be bathed in the darkness of night wall day still reigns. Thy will be done. Amen.



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i'm going with tony schwartz, ghostwriter for "art of the deal," who predicts trump will resign, mostly to stay out of jail. (but, president or not, wouldn't whatever he did still be a crime?) trump would consider that more of a "win," or less of a loss, than impeachment.



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sambista wrote:
i'm going with tony schwartz, ghostwriter for "art of the deal," who predicts trump will resign, mostly to stay out of jail. (but, president or not, wouldn't whatever he did still be a crime?) trump would consider that more of a "win," or less of a loss, than impeachment.


Presidents can be impeached for things that are not criminal. Plus, Pence would likely pardon him.



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PostPosted: 08/21/17 9:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sambista wrote:
i'm going with tony schwartz, ghostwriter for "art of the deal," who predicts trump will resign, mostly to stay out of jail. (but, president or not, wouldn't whatever he did still be a crime?) trump would consider that more of a "win," or less of a loss, than impeachment.


I have no doubt he'd be ADVISED accordingly, but I believe that any such 'giving in' would be viewed as conceding a weakness on his part. I'd be shocked if he gave in that way.



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Howee wrote:
sambista wrote:
i'm going with tony schwartz, ghostwriter for "art of the deal," who predicts trump will resign, mostly to stay out of jail. (but, president or not, wouldn't whatever he did still be a crime?) trump would consider that more of a "win," or less of a loss, than impeachment.


I have no doubt he'd be ADVISED accordingly, but I believe that any such 'giving in' would be viewed as conceding a weakness on his part. I'd be shocked if he gave in that way.


when schwartz explained his reasoning, all of which i can't remember now, it made sense. weakness, yes. but being forced out? he'd twist that to make himself believe it was his own choice. just like he disbanded those advisory committees before all of the members quit.

re a crime, and setting aside grounds for impeachment, couldn't mueller find him criminally guilty in a way that his standing as president or not wouldn't matter?



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PostPosted: 08/21/17 12:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nobody knows for sure - never been addressed by any federal court.

In 1973, the Justice Dept office of legal counsel opined that a President cannot be indicted while in office.

But Ken Starr hired a law professor during his investigation of Clinton to address the issue, and his 56 page memo opining that there is no prohibition on indicting a sitting president was just released to the public last month.

But he can in any event be indicted after leaving office for acts committed before or during his presidency.

BTW, Mueller can't find anyone "guilty" of anything. That's not his job or authority.


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They just showed the pig and his paid escort wife on cnn watching the eclipse from the White House. Hopefully he's stupid enough to look up without his glasses on and goes blind and has to resign.


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Ay Mate wrote:
They just showed the pig and his paid escort wife on cnn watching the eclipse from the White House. Hopefully he's stupid enough to look up without his glasses on and goes blind and has to resign.


Obviously a blind person could be president.


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Ay Mate wrote:
They just showed the pig and his paid escort wife on cnn watching the eclipse from the White House. Hopefully he's stupid enough to look up without his glasses on and goes blind and has to resign.


i was thinking the same thing, and also thinking he'd try to look w/out his glasses because he doesn't believe in science or that he's a mere mortal. he did, in fact, look up quickly w/out his glasses, as did his something-not-right son.



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PUmatty wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
They just showed the pig and his paid escort wife on cnn watching the eclipse from the White House. Hopefully he's stupid enough to look up without his glasses on and goes blind and has to resign.


Obviously a blind person could be president.


I guess I shouldn't discriminate against the blind.


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sambista wrote:
Howee wrote:
sambista wrote:
i'm going with tony schwartz, ghostwriter for "art of the deal," who predicts trump will resign, mostly to stay out of jail. (but, president or not, wouldn't whatever he did still be a crime?) trump would consider that more of a "win," or less of a loss, than impeachment.


I have no doubt he'd be ADVISED accordingly, but I believe that any such 'giving in' would be viewed as conceding a weakness on his part. I'd be shocked if he gave in that way.


when schwartz explained his reasoning, all of which i can't remember now, it made sense. weakness, yes. but being forced out? he'd twist that to make himself believe it was his own choice. just like he disbanded those advisory committees before all of the members quit.


I heard this gentleman talk candidly about his experience as the ghost writer, and even though it was widespread news at the time, I was just stunned that it had no more impact than it did. Now, I never heard his take on Donald's departure, but he'd certainly be one of the more informed sources to opine on that. However, The Mentally Deficient continue to overlook the obvious.

Re: *overlooking* Trump's flaws, did anyone else hear Falwell Jr's defense of Trump? His general babbling took an ironic twist when (at the 6 min mark) he spoke of his appreciation for the way Trump "doesn't say what's politically correct, he says what's in his heart, what he believes...."

REALLY?? You, a prominent leader of a CHRISTIAN university can endorse a President, even when he says what's in his heart Re: Grabbing Pussy, and YOU can stand by that man. I was glad to hear of the Liberty grads who are returning their diplomas in protest of his position.

The only Trump supporters I despise more than Gays who voted for him, are CHRISTIANS who defend him.



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Howee wrote:
sambista wrote:
Howee wrote:
sambista wrote:
i'm going with tony schwartz, ghostwriter for "art of the deal," who predicts trump will resign, mostly to stay out of jail. (but, president or not, wouldn't whatever he did still be a crime?) trump would consider that more of a "win," or less of a loss, than impeachment.


I have no doubt he'd be ADVISED accordingly, but I believe that any such 'giving in' would be viewed as conceding a weakness on his part. I'd be shocked if he gave in that way.


when schwartz explained his reasoning, all of which i can't remember now, it made sense. weakness, yes. but being forced out? he'd twist that to make himself believe it was his own choice. just like he disbanded those advisory committees before all of the members quit.


I heard this gentleman talk candidly about his experience as the ghost writer, and even though it was widespread news at the time, I was just stunned that it had no more impact than it did. Now, I never heard his take on Donald's departure, but he'd certainly be one of the more informed sources to opine on that. However, The Mentally Deficient continue to overlook the obvious.


i felt the same way when i read a nyt piece last year, an interview with trump's butler of 30 years. i know great swells of people don't read the nyt, but it was too glaring not to have made the usual social media regurgitations. one gem:

the new york times wrote:
In the early years, Mr. Trump’s daughter Ivanka slept in the same children’s suite that Dina Merrill, an actress and a daughter of Mrs. Post, occupied in the 1930s. Mr. Trump liked to tell guests that the nursery rhyme-themed tiles in the room were made by a young Walt Disney.

“You don’t like that, do you?” Mr. Trump would say when he caught Mr. Senecal rolling his eyes. The house historian would protest that it was not true.

“Who cares?” Mr. Trump would respond with a laugh.



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PostPosted: 08/21/17 2:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

here's what tony schwartz said. the video provides more. full disclosure: he also made this prediction in may. not clear about what his timeframe was.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/art-of-the-deal-author-trump-resignation-prediction/index.html



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Exactly one day before Trump's ghost writer popped up on CNN to suggest that the POTUS might soon resign, I had a sudden illumination and chased mrs jammer to the far reaches of our tiny apt to "suggest" the same thing. Look, I think Trump has already ingested the polonium, if you know what I mean. That would be obstruction of justice and abuse of power. He will either be around to have those charges leveled at him while in office, in which case he will be pressured out, maybe with a deal, or he will be already gone. I'm of the opinion that he's likely to be already gone.

But here's the thing that you don't hear here or in the echo-chamber of the mainstream media. It is the truth that is out there but seems to elude so many. That truth is that Trump still enjoys tremendous support among the people of this country. Notably and noisily, even among minorities. That aspect of Trump's support might be statistically irrelevant, but my point is that Trump hears his supporters and, I believe, is bolstered and emboldened by them completely out of proportion to their numbers. So with a cheerleading section that includes blacks and latinos, Trump is less likely to just walk away when things get as tough as they were this past few weeks.

ETA. If you haven't read the New Yorker article from last YEAR on (or by) Trump's Art of the Deal co-ghost-writer? Tony Schwartz, and you're at all interested in the subject of Donald Trump, you should. To say that this guy predicts Trump will resign can't be given its full measure of relevance until you read and understand how right this guy was in predicting what kind of a president Trump would be based on his direct experience with the man. It's pretty amazing.


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I think you hit the nail on the head there Jammer. Trump is very good at internalizing that which he wants to, and writing off the rest with contempt. While his numbers as are terrible when considered against the total population, he does still have the rabid support of tens of millions of people. When simply considered in pure numbers that is a lot of people to feed an ego. And he creates these little narratives full of alternative facts to discount all the voices speaking against him. And here is the key: he honestly believes these fantastical narratives to be true.



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I think you hit the nail on the head there Jammer. Trump is very good at internalizing that which he wants to, and writing off the rest with contempt. While his numbers as are terrible when considered against the total population, he does still have the rabid support of tens of millions of people. When simply considered in pure numbers that is a lot of people to feed an ego. And he creates these little narratives full of alternative facts to discount all the voices speaking against him. And here is the key: he honestly believes these fantastical narratives to be true.


I think Trump would have given anything to have lost the election, (but won the popular vote by 3 million), and have the ability to create his own "news" network, where his millions of supporters could level their fandom and validation to him.

The Trumps were already in talks for creating their own network prior to the election..



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I think you hit the nail on the head there Jammer. Trump is very good at internalizing that which he wants to, and writing off the rest with contempt. While his numbers as are terrible when considered against the total population, he does still have the rabid support of tens of millions of people. When simply considered in pure numbers that is a lot of people to feed an ego. And he creates these little narratives full of alternative facts to discount all the voices speaking against him. And here is the key: he honestly believes these fantastical narratives to be true.


I think Trump would have given anything to have lost the election, (but won the popular vote by 3 million), and have the ability to create his own "news" network, where his millions of supporters could level their fandom and validation to him.

The Trumps were already in talks for creating their own network prior to the election..


I don't know anything about the news network but I totally agree with your first statement. He's in a very hot seat right now. The thing that saves him is how far he is down the sociopathic spectrum. But the family, some of whom may be facing permanent destruction in the form of charges and indictments or plea deals, are now dreaming of what might have been in the paradise of their dad (father-in-law) being the 2016 Republican nominee who gave President Hillary Clinton a good scare.

That's almost painful to write.


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http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/22/politics/glenn-simpson-senate-judiciary-investigators/index.html


Glenn Simpson, the former journalist who helped compile the Russia dossier with allegations of collusion by President Donald Trump's top aides, spoke with staff on the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday for more than 10 hours.



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sambista wrote:
here's what tony schwartz said. the video provides more. full disclosure: he also made this prediction in may. not clear about what his timeframe was.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/art-of-the-deal-author-trump-resignation-prediction/index.html

Fascinating.

justintyme wrote:
And he creates these little narratives full of alternative facts to discount all the voices speaking against him. And here is the key: he honestly believes these fantastical narratives to be true.

Yes. The Crazy Factor.

jammerbirdi wrote:
I don't know anything about the news network but I totally agree with your first statement. He's in a very hot seat right now. The thing that saves him is how far he is down the sociopathic spectrum. But the family, some of whom may be facing permanent destruction in the form of charges and indictments or plea deals, are now dreaming of what might have been in the paradise of their dad (father-in-law) being the 2016 Republican nominee who gave President Hillary Clinton a good scare.
That's almost painful to write.

Far less painful than if your scenario would have played out: He'd have gone down as a Legend of What Might Have Been Our Salvation. We'd not live long enough to hear the end of it.

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I think you hit the nail on the head there Jammer. Trump is very good at internalizing that which he wants to, and writing off the rest with contempt. While his numbers as are terrible when considered against the total population, he does still have the rabid support of tens of millions of people. When simply considered in pure numbers that is a lot of people to feed an ego. And he creates these little narratives full of alternative facts to discount all the voices speaking against him. And here is the key: he honestly believes these fantastical narratives to be true.


The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.



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We have this great political literature in Orwell. And it's such a terrifying thrill to imagine that we're living in a moment when his writing is finally literally relevant to our times and current realities in the United States of America. But it's just not. You're giving Trump so too much credit and you're not nearly in the universe of giving enough credit to the constitutional protections and the checks and balances, plus the political dream team of enemies he has created since becoming president that includes the senate majority leader and a growing number of other senators in his own party. Flake, Corker, McCain, Graham. And every Democrat in Washington. He's alienated the rank and file of the CIA and the FBI and he was just rebuked by a statement on Charlottsvile by the joint chiefs. Everyone in the White House who is not a family member or a crony from NY is monitoring his every move with the NYTimes on speed dial.

There have been much scarier times and administrations. Nixon. Who was diabolically smart along with being dangerously paranoid and vindictive. Reagan had people running black ops and illegal arms deals out of the White House. Bush I was an ex-CIA director who invaded Iraq on behalf of the cruel society of oil rich Kuwait and that war ended up resulting in nearly a million deaths. His son did essentially the same thing for no reason whatsoever and destabilized the Middle East and his war has probably led to even more than a million deaths and still counting. Trump doesn't really have his hands on the controls of the presidency. He's proven, sadly, to just not be that interested in the details of what he can or can't do. And he never knew to begin with. He doesn't really know what the president can or can't do, what is really at his disposal. Not like a Nixon or Bush I did. And he hasn't surrounded himself with people who know either. Most of the key people are newcomers to the corridors of power in DC.

And Kelley and McMaster are more than enough of a buffer to any dangerous impulses or ideas that Trump might have than they ever would be any kind of enabler or party to his incompetence or desires to threaten the basic principles of the democratic system.

And then there's Mueller. Which is a ticking time bomb for the Trump presidency. Bottom line is there's nothing Orwellian here folks. Just sit back and try (it ain't easy) to enjoy the show because it's only going to get better as we go. Cool

And maybe really think about how Trump won. Why he might win again if he isn't run out of D.C. on a rail. What IS the media's role in its coverage of Trump's presidency? What IS CNN up to with wall to wall coverage of, to use one current example, Trump's remarks post Charlottesville? 24-7? Really? Nothing else going on in the world but what Trump said or didn't say and whether he said it quickly enough?

This whole Charlottesville thing reminds me of the epiphany Oprah had many years ago. She was doing a series of shows one week on white supremacists. And during the taping of one she was standing there watching the mayhem and she said it hit her like a ton of bricks. OMG. This is a mistake. I'm not exposing them, I'm publicizing them. They are going to grow bigger and more widespread because I gave them this national platform.

There's a video that's gotten like 20 million views in just a week or so by this cute young black chick. She asks, quite rightly, do you really think David Duke and white supremacists weren't out there active in America during the Obama administration? Why the wall to wall fear and loathing now? Isn't CNN and the mainstream media doing their part to stoke the flames of discord going on between two fringe groups of violent protesters? The race nuts and the anti fascists? And don't they seem to be laying the blame for all of this at Trump's feet? All this stuff that was always there, long before Donald Trump became president? Please don't tell me he has energized and elevated them. They are still a minuscule tiny number of people.

Trump is an inarticulate man. And that's being kind. He is not a student of history and he can be easily baited into bad behavior. He is never ever going to say the right thing. He doesn't even know what the right thing is let alone why he should be saying it. It's not who he is. The best analogy I can come up with is one that nobody here will understand. It's like we elected my sister-in-law Mickey president. People (the media) expect him to act like they think and demand a president should act. I'm like, WTF are you talking about? It's Mickey! You're never, in a million years, going to get anything different out of this person. There is nothing else there.

And in Trump's case, that's actually a good thing. He's not going to suddenly become a brilliant and diabolical bad guy with a plan to destroy America and a skill set and the focus that would enable him to be successful. Come on, man. It's Mickey! He's just going to ramble off script and lash out, alternately stepping in it one day and sticking to the prompter the next.

Honestly, I wish CNN and MSNBC and the NYTimes would just turn down the volume a little. Accept Trump's faults and flaws for a minute and let the country take a fucking breath. Show some respect for the office even if the character occupying that office doesn't. How about instead covering wall to wall and in detail all that his administration is doing at the cabinet and agency level? How about 24/7 coverage on CNN of that?

Lastly, I wish the mainstream media could learn their lesson from the campaign. This 24-7 negative coverage of Trump is most likely not helping to defeat him on election day. As I said the other day, there is a significant portion of the American people, more than would admit it to pollsters, who are going to stick with Trump pretty much no matter what. Trump has a 35% approval rating. I don't know about the word 'approve' but I bet the number who would vote for him again (or for the first time) is up near 48%.

What's congress's approval rating? lol. Oh, and what's the media's? big lol there. I bet congress is near or under 20% and the press is down near 15%. Those are guesses. So if you think Trump is unpopular... Shocked


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Honestly, I wish CNN and MSNBC and the NYTimes would just turn down the volume a little. Accept Trump's faults and flaws for a minute and let the country take a fucking breath


What, and miss out on all the ratings that generate revenue? Media Corporations getting rich(er) off of Trump-o-Rama is just life in our America.



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I'm sick of the media too.

I'm sick of people like Joe Scarborough who spent the entire election season talking up Trump and talking down Clinton, and now suddenly acts horrified. As if Donald Trump's racism wasn't on full display during the election. As if his incompetence wasn't on full display during the election.

I'm sick of CNN's outrage, this is the network who spent 3 billion on Trump coverage and legitimized him as a Presidential candidate.

I'm sick of the New York Time's and WaPo's outrage..when they freaking partnered with STEVE BANNON to report on "Clinton Cash." Who dismissed claims of Russia meddling in our election. Who then dismissed claims of the Trump campaign working with Russia. Who mocked Clinton for her speech about Donald's influence on White Supremacy. Now they're "SHOCKED" at Donald's attitude towards White Supremacy and his horrific inability to actually be President. Oh look, "alt right" domestic terrorism is on the rise. Who could have predicted that one?

"who would have predicted this." Oh I dunno, the OTHER presidential candidate. The one that the media spent a majority of their air time discussing her fake scandals, meanwhile actually focusing on Donald Trump's policies(??WTF). https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud


I'm sick of these assholes, who couldn't spend more than 32 minutes total on fucking policy coverage, who spent 2016 legitimizing Trump, who still profiles the Trump supporter (even though the Trump supporter is about 30% of the country) dehumanized Clinton, and generally using our election as a money maker, suddenly being outraged now.

And there's no self reflection. None. There's a lot of fucking money in doing it though. Trump sensationalism. He made a shit ton for them during the Primary, and he'll continue to do so as long as Donald is in the White House.

Outside of gerrymandering, the biggest reason why this country is fucked is because the people who are supposed to be reporting on actual issues and actual policy plays games for ratings. Yes New York Times, let's continue to report on Climate Change scientists and Climate Change deniers as if they are on equal footing. Rolling Eyes



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I'm sick of the media too.

I'm sick of people like Joe Scarborough who spent the entire election season talking up Trump and talking down Clinton, and now suddenly acts horrified. As if Donald Trump's racism wasn't on full display during the election. As if his incompetence wasn't on full display during the election.

I'm sick of CNN's outrage, this is the network who spent 3 billion on Trump coverage and legitimized him as a Presidential candidate.

I'm sick of the New York Time's and WaPo's outrage..when they freaking partnered with STEVE BANNON to report on "Clinton Cash." Who dismissed claims of Russia meddling in our election. Who then dismissed claims of the Trump campaign working with Russia. Who mocked Clinton for her speech about Donald's influence on White Supremacy. Now they're "SHOCKED" at Donald's attitude towards White Supremacy and his horrific inability to actually be President. Oh look, "alt right" domestic terrorism is on the rise. Who could have predicted that one?

"who would have predicted this." Oh I dunno, the OTHER presidential candidate. The one that the media spent a majority of their air time discussing her fake scandals, meanwhile actually focusing on Donald Trump's policies(??WTF). https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud


I'm sick of these assholes, who couldn't spend more than 32 minutes total on fucking policy coverage, who spent 2016 legitimizing Trump, who still profiles the Trump supporter (even though the Trump supporter is about 30% of the country) dehumanized Clinton, and generally using our election as a money maker, suddenly being outraged now.

And there's no self reflection. None. There's a lot of fucking money in doing it though. Trump sensationalism. He made a shit ton for them during the Primary, and he'll continue to do so as long as Donald is in the White House.

Outside of gerrymandering, the biggest reason why this country is fucked is because the people who are supposed to be reporting on actual issues and actual policy plays games for ratings. Yes New York Times, let's continue to report on Climate Change scientists and Climate Change deniers as if they are on equal footing. Rolling Eyes



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I'm sick of the media too.

I'm sick of people like Joe Scarborough who spent the entire election season talking up Trump and talking down Clinton, and now suddenly acts horrified. As if Donald Trump's racism wasn't on full display during the election. As if his incompetence wasn't on full display during the election.

I'm sick of CNN's outrage, this is the network who spent 3 billion on Trump coverage and legitimized him as a Presidential candidate.

I'm sick of the New York Time's and WaPo's outrage..when they freaking partnered with STEVE BANNON to report on "Clinton Cash." Who dismissed claims of Russia meddling in our election. Who then dismissed claims of the Trump campaign working with Russia. Who mocked Clinton for her speech about Donald's influence on White Supremacy. Now they're "SHOCKED" at Donald's attitude towards White Supremacy and his horrific inability to actually be President. Oh look, "alt right" domestic terrorism is on the rise. Who could have predicted that one?

"who would have predicted this." Oh I dunno, the OTHER presidential candidate. The one that the media spent a majority of their air time discussing her fake scandals, meanwhile actually focusing on Donald Trump's policies(??WTF). https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud


I'm sick of these assholes, who couldn't spend more than 32 minutes total on fucking policy coverage, who spent 2016 legitimizing Trump, who still profiles the Trump supporter (even though the Trump supporter is about 30% of the country) dehumanized Clinton, and generally using our election as a money maker, suddenly being outraged now.

And there's no self reflection. None. There's a lot of fucking money in doing it though. Trump sensationalism. He made a shit ton for them during the Primary, and he'll continue to do so as long as Donald is in the White House.

Outside of gerrymandering, the biggest reason why this country is fucked is because the people who are supposed to be reporting on actual issues and actual policy plays games for ratings. Yes New York Times, let's continue to report on Climate Change scientists and Climate Change deniers as if they are on equal footing. Rolling Eyes


Well said.


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The Morning Joe folks did do a big about face. At one point Larry Wilbon joked at the press corps event in Washington that they were "so far up Trump's ass that they ran into Chris Christie". And now they are in full outrage mode.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-tower-putin-felix-sater.html


WASHINGTON — A business associate of President Trump promised in 2015 to engineer a real estate deal with the aid of the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, that he said would help Mr. Trump win the presidency.

The business associate, Felix Sater, wrote a series of emails to Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, in which he boasted about his ties to Mr. Putin and predicted that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would be a political boon to Mr. Trump’s candidacy.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”



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Six public relations firms with ties to former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort or former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn have received subpoenas from special counsel Robert Mueller, ABC News has learned from sources with knowledge of the situation.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/public-relations-firms-ties-flynn-manafort-subpoenaed-mueller/story?id=49425589



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Like all things Trump, they weren't even sneaky about breaking the law.



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If you think there is going to be an impeachment, you are going to be sorely disappointed. if you think these people give a shit about Russia, or meetings with Putin, or Trump Tower Moscow, or tax returns, or any of the rest, you are going to be sorely disappointed.

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Oh sweet irony.



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If you think there is going to be an impeachment, you are going to be sorely disappointed. if you think these people give a shit about Russia, or meetings with Putin, or Trump Tower Moscow, or tax returns, or any of the rest, you are going to be sorely disappointed.



It's not going to happen unless Democrats get a majority, even if it very clearly should.

That being said, Republicans ought to watch it. America has a beautiful history of being on the complete wrong side of history, only to get it's shit together and do what's right. They'll get what's coming to them.



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This thread hasn't been updated with some more news.

Mueller gave Trump his own message, after the Arpaio pardon.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/manafort-mueller-probe-attorney-general-242191

You're move Donnie. My guess, Manafort will talk.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html

Uh Oh...also, this implicates Mike Pence too.

And Mueller is enlisting the IRS..
http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-mueller-enlists-the-irs-for-his-trump-russia-investigation

I'm predicting this one gets more and more play in the upcoming months.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/russia-election-hacking.html?mcubz=3

Interesting, I'm thinking back to the Arizona/New York primaries. I remember there being a lot of outrage because quite a few Sanders supporters were unable to vote. I discussed this with my friend (a Sanders supporter)..at the time, I said "There would be now way to simply target Sanders supporters. Particularly in either of those states. It's Clinton's supporters that are easier to target demographically."

But thinking about it, it's Sanders supporters that had a strong and wide online presence. What if Clinton supporters also had trouble, but they didn't spread the word in the same way. What if the people attacked were just Democrats in general?

Anyway, something to think about..



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ArtBest23 wrote:
If you think there is going to be an impeachment, you are going to be sorely disappointed. if you think these people give a shit about Russia, or meetings with Putin, or Trump Tower Moscow, or tax returns, or any of the rest, you are going to be sorely disappointed.

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Missed this one.....PRICELESS. The rabid leprechaun, the pretty blond cheerleaders....all seemed to forget the abortion thwarter is the "Pussy Grabber". Fortunately, these people are an insignificant minority of the population, and Real Minds prevail in The Real World of God.

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Facebook says it sold political ads to Russian company during 2016 election

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Facebook discovered the Russian connection as part of an investigation that began this spring looking at purchasers of politically-motivated ads, according to people familiar with the inquiry. It found that 3,300 ads had digital footprints that led to the Russian company.

Facebook teams then discovered 470 suspicious and likely fraudulent Facebook accounts and pages that it believes operated out of Russia, had links to the company and were involved in promoting the ads.



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mercfan3 wrote:
I'm sick of the media too.

I'm sick of people like Joe Scarborough who spent the entire election season talking up Trump and talking down Clinton, and now suddenly acts horrified. As if Donald Trump's racism wasn't on full display during the election. As if his incompetence wasn't on full display during the election.

I'm sick of CNN's outrage, this is the network who spent 3 billion on Trump coverage and legitimized him as a Presidential candidate.

I'm sick of the New York Time's and WaPo's outrage..when they freaking partnered with STEVE BANNON to report on "Clinton Cash." Who dismissed claims of Russia meddling in our election. Who then dismissed claims of the Trump campaign working with Russia. Who mocked Clinton for her speech about Donald's influence on White Supremacy. Now they're "SHOCKED" at Donald's attitude towards White Supremacy and his horrific inability to actually be President. Oh look, "alt right" domestic terrorism is on the rise. Who could have predicted that one?

"who would have predicted this." Oh I dunno, the OTHER presidential candidate. The one that the media spent a majority of their air time discussing her fake scandals, meanwhile actually focusing on Donald Trump's policies(??WTF). https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud


I'm sick of these assholes, who couldn't spend more than 32 minutes total on fucking policy coverage, who spent 2016 legitimizing Trump, who still profiles the Trump supporter (even though the Trump supporter is about 30% of the country) dehumanized Clinton, and generally using our election as a money maker, suddenly being outraged now.

And there's no self reflection. None. There's a lot of fucking money in doing it though. Trump sensationalism. He made a shit ton for them during the Primary, and he'll continue to do so as long as Donald is in the White House.

Outside of gerrymandering, the biggest reason why this country is fucked is because the people who are supposed to be reporting on actual issues and actual policy plays games for ratings. Yes New York Times, let's continue to report on Climate Change scientists and Climate Change deniers as if they are on equal footing. Rolling Eyes

You must have been watching different networks than I was. CNN was all in for Hillary. They tried like hell to demonize Trump and get Hillary elected. Thankfully it didn't work. MAGA!!!!



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The few. The proud. The dupedplorables.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/trump_s_bigoted_base_by_the_numbers.html

Do you like white supremacists? When you remove the Klan/Nazi references and ask people what they think of groups that advocate racial superiority, people who approve of Trump’s job performance again stand out. In the Marist poll, Trump approvers are slightly more likely than whites—5 percent versus 3 percent—to say that they mostly agree with “the white supremacy movement.” In the PPP survey, 7 percent of Trump voters say they have a favorable opinion of “white supremacists,” compared to 4 percent of whites and 1 percent of Clinton voters. In the Morning Consult poll, 7 percent of whites and 9 percent of Republicans express a favorable view of white supremacists. Among strong Trump approvers, that number shoots up to 15 percent.



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jammerbirdi wrote:

There's a video that's gotten like 20 million views in just a week or so by this cute young black chick. She asks, quite rightly, do you really think David Duke and white supremacists weren't out there active in America during the Obama administration? Why the wall to wall fear and loathing now? Isn't CNN and the mainstream media doing their part to stoke the flames of discord going on between two fringe groups of violent protesters?


Thought I'd dig up the video I was referring to here.

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While I'm at it. Cool

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