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 Posted: 01/21/17 10:28 pm ::: Election 2020 |
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| Who is going to be the Democratic candidate in 2020? I was wondering if Trump is embroiled in major scandals and/or he's done very unpopular things and/or he has made a mockery of the office and his approval rating is at 20%, meaning whoever they run will win - would they support Clinton again?
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| Posted: 01/21/17 10:30 pm ::: |
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Clinton is done. Her political career is over.
My guess is it will be someone not even on the radar right now, like Obama was in 2004.
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| Posted: 01/21/17 11:36 pm ::: |
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| Early rumblings are saying Cory Booker might be interested.
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| Posted: 01/21/17 11:40 pm ::: |
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| toad455 wrote: |
| Early rumblings are saying Cory Booker might be interested. |
Are you trying to tell me Trump is a lock for a second term?
Mark Warner should be the right answer.
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| Posted: 01/22/17 12:41 am ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
Clinton is done. Her political career is over.
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I thought Judd Apatow had a good point the other day - he said that the speaking tour she went on should be something that politicians only do when they are done. You shouldn't get out, earn millions speaking to corporations, and then jump back in.
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| Posted: 01/22/17 3:37 am ::: |
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6. First lady Michelle Obama
If the first lady exhibited even a slight inclination to run, she would be ranked near the top of this list.
There is no figure in public life, with the possible exception of her husband, who has so strong a hold on liberal hearts and minds.
Obama has become more comfortable with her public role over the years. Her two major speeches during the 2016 campaign — one at the Democratic convention, another excoriating Trump for “hurtful, hateful language about women” — were among the most powerful delivered during the cycle.
The first lady insists that she won’t run, citing the effect such an effort would have on her two daughters among other factors. But Malia and Sasha Obama will be 22 and 19, respectively, by the time of the next election. When it comes to the first lady’s future plans, many Democrats still cling to the audacity of hope. |
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| Posted: 01/22/17 5:44 am ::: |
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If Michelle Obama ran she would be our next president in a landslide.
But from everything that Barack has said up to this point, unless something drastically changes, it just isn't going to happen. Her interest level in the job is nonexistent.
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| Posted: 01/22/17 8:26 am ::: |
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Booker and Warren seem to be the early favorites...but we shall see.
Booker's ties to Pharma are an issue (Tho NJ Is Pharma capital of the world, what did you expect) I like Booker...I do get he's likely not as left as some...but he does have the fire and the actions to really make noise on the trail and we need a NOISY campaign to shout down Trump. Trump is all branding and Noise...must fight back the same way or fail. (which xes out the Tim Kaines of the world...he got Pwned by Pence for god's sake!)
Warren would be your fight fire with fire solution...and may be needed...and welcomed...I wanna see how she positions herself in the Senate the next 4 years...but I think she's gonna be pushed hard and will make a run at it. And it would be a good fit, but if you thought Trump vs Hillary was sickeningly ugly (and trust me Hillary especially in the swing areas lost a TON of votes to voter fatigue and people staying home) also the issue wasn't number of votes Hillary had 3 million votes more...it was where those votes were...dunno if she will appeal in the working class areas trump used to succeed.
Bernie and Biden will both be close to 80 when 2020 hits...Bernie already has to hunch over the podium for support...he does have appeal to young voters and is an important ally who musnt be ignored this time around, but I don't think he should be THE guy.
Biden...if he didn't run in 16 what makes you think he'll run in 2020 when he's pushing 80. Pipe dream and if it does happen I have Al Gore nightmares of him running a solid but could have gone over the top with a little more effort campaign...and we know Gore only missed by a whisker...keep him as an activist and a gun in the holster for additional stumping.
I'd keep my eyes out west...One person not named who's lining up governor chips to succeed Jerry Brown is Gavin Newsom...had a lot of pull as mayor of SF then got knocked back a bit but rose again...just a weird hunch...gov of California has been a launching pad before. Keep ears to ground.
Cuomo I think would be a good centrist temper ticket balancing George Bush Sr type VP candidate to a Warren or other leftist candidate and a powerful speaker...but again Not THE man...he's got VP running mate written all over him...I can see a Warren/Cuomo ticket working well.
Ditto Chuck Schumer...except you don't dare take him out of the senate...in fact I would fear Bob Dole syndrome (great senator but those traits don't translate to Running for President) as well...keep him where he is and where he would be strong.
On the Far left I can see DeBlasio taking a shot from left field...I love my city...I love my people but no...not ready for prime time and would do nothing but spin wheels of getting more votes but not in the correct places.
Warner is interesting...and not to be foo fooed. don't know enough but I've said for years Dems need to copy the 15 podium free for all that the GOP used. And this is one reason...we must leave no stone unturned in finding the right man or woman and someone from a battleground area could appeal to the votes the dems lost in 2016...good mention and I hope he goes for it...
agree about left field candidates...and I'm sure someone will rise up...and it could be someone from Hollywood (I dunno if it'd work but I got this feeling leftist Hollywood advocates like George Clooney may take a look into it) not sure about this...
Oprah...I think she's a better money woman...she was a big money donor for Obama and has been out of the limelight too long...pass.
just covering those mentioned and adding Newsom...Honestly I'm more worried about winning back places that went red at the state house and even municipal levels first...need to take it back the way the GOP took it...start small...in 2017...have a golden opportunity to take back a red governorship in NJ who has a disgraced governor and is a blue state nationally...CAN NOT MISS, remember one misstep and states can call a CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION...game over! taking back NJ which should be LOW HANGING FRUIT if the dems have any kind of clue (Tho booker staying in the senate instead of pursuing governor tells me they don't) and they can't screw this one up...CAN NOT...what more does the NJ GOP have to do to hand this one to you..so well it starts THIS YEAR
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| Posted: 01/22/17 8:46 am ::: |
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| justintyme wrote: |
If Michelle Obama ran she would be our next president in a landslide.
But from everything that Barack has said up to this point, unless something drastically changes, it just isn't going to happen. Her interest level in the job is nonexistent. |
Michelle for President would be incredibly heavenly. I doubt after Trump's 4 year disaster, there will be another Republican in office for many years to come.
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| Posted: 01/22/17 10:21 am ::: |
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This should be a top 10 only. Well, top 8(IMO). Michelle has said she has no intentions of running. Bernie & Biden will be too old by then. Hillary's done. Oprah, really? I doubt Tim Kaine would fair any better vs. Trump.
1. Warren
2. Booker
3. Gillibrand
4. Klobuchar
5. Murphy
6. Cuomo
7. Hickenlooper
8. Harris
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This should be a top 10 only. Well, top 8(IMO). Michelle has said she has no intentions of running. Bernie & Biden will be too old by then. Hillary's done. Oprah, really? I doubt Tim Kaine would fair any better vs. Trump.
1. Warren
2. Booker
3. Gillibrand
4. Klobuchar
5. Murphy
6. Cuomo
7. Hickenlooper
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I hope Clinton is done, but everyone said she was done after 2008. That woman isn't held down ever. That's literally her defining trait. That being said, Democrats need to get younger...No Clinton, Biden, Warren or Sanders.
If Booker runs, no one will beat him. He'll be the most charismatic person in the room, with the most money. And by 2019, it'll be tough for the Bernie bros and alt. Left to run their purity test. Too much actual damage will have been done to the country.
My personal pick would be Murphy. I freaking love my senator. 
Harris is also interesting.
But I agree, we need to focus on state elections. Our moves need to be focused on 2018. (And lawsuits to stop gerrymandering and reinstate voting rights.)
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| Posted: 01/22/17 2:12 pm ::: |
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| We as a nation might need to learn how to speak Russian or Mandarin before 2020.
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| Posted: 01/22/17 2:16 pm ::: |
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| toad455 wrote: |
This should be a top 10 only. Well, top 8(IMO). Michelle has said she has no intentions of running. Bernie & Biden will be too old by then. Hillary's done. Oprah, really? I doubt Tim Kaine would fair any better vs. Trump.
1. Warren
2. Booker
3. Gillibrand
4. Klobuchar
5. Murphy
6. Cuomo
7. Hickenlooper
8. Harris |
Should I start the DNC Mock Draft thread?
I have to say Michelle Obama is the top eligible. She'd have the best advisor in Barack, and it's kind of like having another 8 years of him.
Not sure agree about Clinton being done. That's exactly what was said after she lost to Obama. In 4 years, she can find a better campaign manager and develop a concise platform.
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| Posted: 01/22/17 3:57 pm ::: |
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If Michelle Obama ran she would be our next president in a landslide.
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I sincerely doubt that.
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| Posted: 01/22/17 4:10 pm ::: |
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If Michelle Obama ran she would be our next president in a landslide.
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I sincerely doubt that. |
Either she would be running against Trump, or else a split Republican party. She has none of the negatives of Hillary, is an amazing public speaker, is as smart as a whip, is not a "politician", and would be able to generate the type of excitement that Dem voters need in order to actually turn out.
Could you imagine Trump trying to insult/treat her like he did Hillary? It worked on someone as disliked as Clinton, but with someone as universally admired as Michelle is?
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By "progressive cred" I mean has policies that are palatable to the Sanders/Warren wing of the party. The policies that draw crowds and generate excitement. I think the Trump election should demonstate well that how we are defining "moderate" is not the traditional definition.
So it is not about being "left as possible", it is about not being on the wrong side (as progressives see it) of Big Pharma, Wall Street, work/jobs, and trade. None of these things are anathema to moderate voters, and in fact speak to those same swing voters that just put Trump in office. So ideally you want a candidate like Klobuchar who appeals to the progressive wing but yet can still get things done and has appeal across the spectrum.
Put it this way, my quite conservative father has voted for Klobuchar every single time she has run. Yet her voting record is a progressive one. That is the type of candidate that can succeed quite well. |
Right, I mean we need to work to not have our party fractioned..and a good start would be stopping this "Progressive cred" thing.
We got beat badly in senate races who followed the Warren/Sanders model. It wasn't the policy that appealed to the rust belt. It was the emotionally driven populism that Sanders brought.
Populism lost in the Democratic party (thank the lord), and it's very likely it won't be in fashion come 2020.
What this should have taught all of us..is that policy doesn't matter. We don't need someone who makes social welfare their pet issue..we need someone who is charismatic. (And has substance..or at least I require that.)
I don't know Klobuchar very well, but if she is another boring policy wonk like Gore or Clinton (Hillary), we won't win.
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