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PostPosted: 12/25/16 5:54 pm    ::: 2017 WNBA Free Agents Reply Reply with quote

I searched but couldn't find this topic started yet. It's about that time, and I wanted a space to talk about Chelsea Hopkins... again.

I think it was two years ago I wanted the Lynx to give Chelsea Hopkins a look in camp instead of McKenith. They brought in McKenith and the Liberty brought in Hopkins and neither made the final cut.

So, when I was researching Danielle Adams, I noticed Chelsea Hopkins was on Adams' team and nearly averaging a triple double. I know it's Israel, but that's like some Westbrook ish. I wonder if Hopkins is kinda like Zoll. She owns her position in the little league overseas, but in the WNBA she ain't all that. Could she be worth another audition for somebody?




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PostPosted: 12/26/16 1:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Hopkins is typical of many point guards who come into the league. She's as good, or better than a lot of points in the league right now, but just isn't getting the opportunity. It has a lot less to do with not being good enough and more to do with opportunity. Courtney Vandersloot, for example, is lucky she landed with a coach who was patient with her and let her develop or you know what she would be? She'd be Chelsea Hopkins and Sharnee Zoll.



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PostPosted: 12/26/16 6:41 pm    ::: Re: 2017 WNBA Free Agents Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
I searched but couldn't find this topic started yet. It's about that time, and I wanted a space to talk about Chelsea Hopkins... again.

I think it was two years ago I wanted the Lynx to give Chelsea Hopkins a look in camp instead of McKenith. They brought in McKenith and the Liberty brought in Hopkins and neither made the final cut.

So, when I was researching Danielle Adams, I noticed Chelsea Hopkins was on Adams' team and nearly averaging a triple double. I know it's Israel, but that's like some Westbrook ish. I wonder if Hopkins is kinda like Zoll. She owns her position in the little league overseas, but in the WNBA she ain't all that. Could she be worth another audition for somebody?



Was trying to find the rule on foreign players for this league. Guessing that it is 4. I found an article from 2015 on the men's league and it says:

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Since 2006 (apart for a two-year break), Israel has been applying the Russian law, which basically changed everything. Until then, a team could include two Americans and two Bosmans (European players), and there were minor changes in personnel.


But it looks like the women's league allows four Americans.


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PostPosted: 12/26/16 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

based on bits and pieces I've read on here (feel free to correct any misinformation.

UFA
Langhorne
Pierson
Little
T. Wright

RFA draft class 2013
Griner
EDD
Diggins (already signed an extension I believe)
Hill *
Bone
Hawkins *
Alexander
Clarendon
Faris
Bentley
Rodgers
Meeseman

(Hill and Hawkins I believe missed one entire season so I'm not sure if that year does or does not count in terms of their agency status.)

These players may or may not be UFA just guessing based on tenure in the league please correct if you know they signed contracts that go through 2017

Possible UFA
McCoughtry
Coleman
Toliver
Montgomery
Bonner
January
Paris
Zellous
Petrovic
Ajevon
Carson
T. Young
Larkins
Mitchell
Pringle/Sanders
Harding
Quinn
TJJ
Latta
Pondexter
Currie
Dupree
Lyttle
Bass/Williams/?
De Souza

Made it for a while or Almost made it (players cut the last few season who made it briefly or were on the border of making it who might get another shot)

Bulgak, Knight, Graves, Alston, Fields, Grant, Bradford, Logic, Kiesel, Burdick, Hrynko, Orrange, Massengale, Liston, A. Taylor, L. Moore, D. Whyte, A. Goodrich, Prahalis, Goodlett, S. Kelly, C. Hoskins, S. Carter, J. Gemelos, A. Harris, D. Adams, I. Ibekwe, K. Griffin, A. Thomas, Q. Hollingsworth


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 12:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

One in, one out: Washington waived Hawkins to make room for Mitchell. She should be a UFA. On the other hand, Knight was signed for the last three games of the season by SAS, so they control her rights.



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 12:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

These should be all the designations for the Lynx
UFA
McCarville

Reserved
Hampton
Jarry?

Rookie
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PostPosted: 12/27/16 8:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In any other league, this would be open, easily obtained information. Confused


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 9:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

not sure about this, but iirc the Storm cored Langhorne at some point. is that coring good from one contract signing to another or does it have a finite time frame?



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 10:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

scullyfu wrote:
not sure about this, but iirc the Storm cored Langhorne at some point. is that coring good from one contract signing to another or does it have a finite time frame?


Was Langhorne signed for multiple years?



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 10:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

scullyfu wrote:
not sure about this, but iirc the Storm cored Langhorne at some point. is that coring good from one contract signing to another or does it have a finite time frame?


it's good for the length of the contract signed while under the designation.



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
based on bits and pieces I've read on here (feel free to correct any misinformation.

UFA
Langhorne
Pierson
Little
T. Wright

RFA draft class 2013
Griner
EDD
Diggins (already signed an extension I believe)
Hill *
Bone
Hawkins *
Alexander
Clarendon
Faris
Bentley
Rodgers
Meeseman

(Hill and Hawkins I believe missed one entire season so I'm not sure if that year does or does not count in terms of their agency status.)

These players may or may not be UFA just guessing based on tenure in the league please correct if you know they signed contracts that go through 2017

Possible UFA
McCoughtry
Coleman
Toliver
Montgomery
Bonner
January
Paris
Zellous
Petrovic
Ajevon
Carson
T. Young
Larkins
Mitchell
Pringle/Sanders
Harding
Quinn
TJJ
Latta
Pondexter
Currie
Dupree
Lyttle
Bass/Williams/?
De Souza

Made it for a while or Almost made it (players cut the last few season who made it briefly or were on the border of making it who might get another shot)

Bulgak, Knight, Graves, Alston, Fields, Grant, Bradford, Logic, Kiesel, Burdick, Hrynko, Orrange, Massengale, Liston, A. Taylor, L. Moore, D. Whyte, A. Goodrich, Prahalis, Goodlett, S. Kelly, C. Hoskins, S. Carter, J. Gemelos, A. Harris, D. Adams, I. Ibekwe, K. Griffin, A. Thomas, Q. Hollingsworth


Jasmine Thomas is a UFA.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 11:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

dtsnms wrote:

Jasmine Thomas is a UFA.


I'd expect she'd be the one cored, leaving Little to pursue another team if she likes. She might be feeling wanted in CON with Ogwumike going down and not being sure where Tuck is at.

If Little wants to chase a championship and would be willing to work really cheap, LAS or MIN might be able to fit her in.

The Mystics would be closest to home base, plus they have a couple of old college teammates in Sanders and Latta.

There's an old college teammate in IND if they retain Larkins.

I believe Little is great friends with Tanisha Wright, and Little could fill the utility role of a Swin Cash.



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 11:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
dtsnms wrote:

Jasmine Thomas is a UFA.


I'd expect she'd be the one cored, leaving Little to pursue another team if she likes. She might be feeling wanted in CON with Ogwumike going down and not being sure where Tuck is at.

If Little wants to chase a championship and would be willing to work really cheap, LAS or MIN might be able to fit her in.

The Mystics would be closest to home base, plus they have a couple of old college teammates in Sanders and Latta.

There's an old college teammate in IND if they retain Larkins.

I believe Little is great friends with Tanisha Wright, and Little could fill the utility role of a Swin Cash.


I doubt the Sun would feel the need to core Jasmine Thomas. She apparently likes Curt Miller a lot and plus, she's in a relationship with Alyssa Thomas. She will remain with the Sun.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 12:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I can't imagine Jasmine Thomas is so irreplaceable that she would need to be cored.



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Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 12:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 12:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.



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Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


And I've apologized to you for being a jerk. But your right. There is no such rule. And if there is, it's never been enforced. So I disregard dtsnms's comment. It was ridiculous.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 1:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
I can't imagine Jasmine Thomas is so irreplaceable that she would need to be cored.


Not sure where this is coming from, but she was good last season, and I hear the Liberty are looking for an upgrade.

32 mpg (1st)
11.7 ppg (3rd; 2nd if you remove Ogwumike)
4.1 rpg (3rd; 2nd if you remove Ogwumike)
5.1 apg (1st; that's easily replaceable, coming from an ATL fan?)
1.3 spg (2nd)

I don't see why they wouldn't use the core on her unless CON is extremely cheap. They already have an inexpensive roster.



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 1:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


Even if there is such a rule, it has been flagrantly and repeatedly violated.



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 2:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


Even if there is such a rule, it has been flagrantly and repeatedly violated.


As a guideline it has been far more honored in the breach than in the observance



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 2:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


Even if there is such a rule, it has been flagrantly and repeatedly violated.


As a guideline it has been far more honored in the breach than in the observance


Once it hits the newscasts (ie Griner/Johnson) anything is fair game. But if the athlete is discreet shouldn't we be discreet?

Pilight you know as well as I do in days gone by we used to honor it at least. Maybe the new generation of Rebkellians doesn't give a crap about privacy but they should.

Just my opinion alone I guess and the way it always was before this new group has come on board.




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dtsnms wrote:
pilight wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


Even if there is such a rule, it has been flagrantly and repeatedly violated.


As a guideline it has been far more honored in the breach than in the observance


Once it hits the newscasts (ie Griner/Johnson) anything is fair game. But if the athlete is discreet shouldn't we be discreet?

Pilight you know as well as I do in days gone by we used to honor it at least. Maybe the new generation of Rebkellians doesn't give a crap about privacy but they should.

Just my opinion alone I guess.


I don't mean to chime in, but technically Alyssa Thomas and Jasmine Thomas being in a relationship isn't really private. They've got pictures together on social media for the public to see, unless I'm mistaken?



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Ay Mate wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


And I've apologized to you for being a jerk. But your right. There is no such rule. And if there is, it's never been enforced. So I disregard dtsnms's comment. It was ridiculous.


Gee I've only been here since the beginning...you've been here a month. Yeah, you know more than I do about this place.

That is what's ridiculous my friend.


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mavcarter wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
pilight wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


Even if there is such a rule, it has been flagrantly and repeatedly violated.


As a guideline it has been far more honored in the breach than in the observance


Once it hits the newscasts (ie Griner/Johnson) anything is fair game. But if the athlete is discreet shouldn't we be discreet?

Pilight you know as well as I do in days gone by we used to honor it at least. Maybe the new generation of Rebkellians doesn't give a crap about privacy but they should.

Just my opinion alone I guess.


I don't mean to chime in, but technically Alyssa Thomas and Jasmine Thomas being in a relationship isn't really private. They've got pictures together on social media for the public to see, unless I'm mistaken?


And it's relevant to the discussion of Jaz being a UFA how? That's my point. It doesn't matter. So why discuss it? If Ay Mate thinks so little of Jaz as a professional athlete that she's going to stay in one place to be with her significant other, that's disrespectful to her.


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I actually don't care much whether there is a rule seriously enforced on this board on this issue. I don't know much about players' private lives and that isn't why I'm here. I'm also not upset when people do post on that subject. When there were hundreds of posts about Griner and Johnson, I didn't criticize that. I just didn't read them.

What I find offensive on this board or anywhere else are the following: in-group vs. out-group ugliness, chiding rather than welcoming newcomers, invoking the "good old days," etc. etc.

I've only been on this board since 2010 so I guess to some I'm a newcomer. When I was genuinely new, no one treated me that way. People reacted to my comments fairly, agreed or disagreed, and NEVER cited the fact that they've been here longer. I appreciated that.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
I actually don't care much whether there is a rule seriously enforced on this board on this issue. I don't know much about players' private lives and that isn't why I'm here. I'm also not upset when people do post on that subject. When there were hundreds of posts about Griner and Johnson, I didn't criticize that. I just didn't read them.

What I find offensive on this board or anywhere else are the following: in-group vs. out-group ugliness, chiding rather than welcoming newcomers, invoking the "good old days," etc. etc.

I've only been on this board since 2010 so I guess to some I'm a newcomer. When I was genuinely new, no one treated me that way. People reacted to my comments fairly, agreed or disagreed, and NEVER cited the fact that they've been here longer. I appreciated that.


Well Bob, I guess I don't appreciated being dismissed as things I post as being ridiculous. That seems more than a little disrespectful, IMO, don't you?


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dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


And I've apologized to you for being a jerk. But your right. There is no such rule. And if there is, it's never been enforced. So I disregard dtsnms's comment. It was ridiculous.


Gee I've only been here since the beginning...you've been here a month. Yeah, you know more than I do about this place.

That is what's ridiculous my friend.


I've been here for at least 8 yrs reading everything.


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Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


And I've apologized to you for being a jerk. But your right. There is no such rule. And if there is, it's never been enforced. So I disregard dtsnms's comment. It was ridiculous.


Gee I've only been here since the beginning...you've been here a month. Yeah, you know more than I do about this place.

That is what's ridiculous my friend.


I've been here for at least 8 yrs reading everything.


Well I'm glad you got up the nerve to join and belittle other posters. Congratulations and welcome to the board.




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dtsnms wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
I actually don't care much whether there is a rule seriously enforced on this board on this issue. I don't know much about players' private lives and that isn't why I'm here. I'm also not upset when people do post on that subject. When there were hundreds of posts about Griner and Johnson, I didn't criticize that. I just didn't read them.

What I find offensive on this board or anywhere else are the following: in-group vs. out-group ugliness, chiding rather than welcoming newcomers, invoking the "good old days," etc. etc.

I've only been on this board since 2010 so I guess to some I'm a newcomer. When I was genuinely new, no one treated me that way. People reacted to my comments fairly, agreed or disagreed, and NEVER cited the fact that they've been here longer. I appreciated that.


Well Bob, I guess I don't appreciated being dismissed as things I post as being ridiculous. That seems more than a little disrespectful, IMO, don't you?


This is my last comment here. In my view, all the bad vibes in this discussion started with you. Quite unnecessarily.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
I actually don't care much whether there is a rule seriously enforced on this board on this issue. I don't know much about players' private lives and that isn't why I'm here. I'm also not upset when people do post on that subject. When there were hundreds of posts about Griner and Johnson, I didn't criticize that. I just didn't read them.

What I find offensive on this board or anywhere else are the following: in-group vs. out-group ugliness, chiding rather than welcoming newcomers, invoking the "good old days," etc. etc.

I've only been on this board since 2010 so I guess to some I'm a newcomer. When I was genuinely new, no one treated me that way. People reacted to my comments fairly, agreed or disagreed, and NEVER cited the fact that they've been here longer. I appreciated that.


Well Bob, I guess I don't appreciated being dismissed as things I post as being ridiculous. That seems more than a little disrespectful, IMO, don't you?


This is my last comment here. In my view, all the bad vibes here started with you. Quite unnecessarily.


Because I suggested we keep private lives private, and said we used to do that, that is a "bad vibe". Got it. Thanks for clarifying.


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What I do apologize for is hijacking the thread, so I will gracefully bow out and let Shades return to the FA topic he started.


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dtsnms wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
pilight wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
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Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Seriously??!! And what about all the posts here about the Griner/Glory saga?? And the Candace Parker divorce posts here?? Give me a break. This forum is to talk about the WNBA and its players. So no, okay?

I hate to defend you because you've been a jerk to me, but I've never heard of this rule.


Even if there is such a rule, it has been flagrantly and repeatedly violated.


As a guideline it has been far more honored in the breach than in the observance


Once it hits the newscasts (ie Griner/Johnson) anything is fair game. But if the athlete is discreet shouldn't we be discreet?

Pilight you know as well as I do in days gone by we used to honor it at least. Maybe the new generation of Rebkellians doesn't give a crap about privacy but they should.

Just my opinion alone I guess.


I don't mean to chime in, but technically Alyssa Thomas and Jasmine Thomas being in a relationship isn't really private. They've got pictures together on social media for the public to see, unless I'm mistaken?


And it's relevant to the discussion of Jaz being a UFA how? That's my point. It doesn't matter. So why discuss it? If Ay Mate thinks so little of Jaz as a professional athlete that she's going to stay in one place to be with her significant other, that's disrespectful to her.


Not sure I get the drift here. Is a gay relationship something to be ashamed of or embarrassed about? Is it not bigoted or prejudice to try to keep people from mentioning or talking about it? A little old fashion thinking? It's part of life, comes under free speech and in this case, it's pertinent to the issue/subject under discussion ...a good reason for someone maybe not moving on to another team. It's almost 2017



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 3:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Not sure I get the drift here. Is a gay relationship something to be ashamed of or embarrassed about? Is it not bigoted or prejudice to try to keep people from mentioning or talking about it? A little old fashion thinking? It's part of life, comes under free speech and in this case, it's pertinent to the issue/subject under discussion ...a good reason for someone maybe not moving on to another team. It's almost 2017


It almost feels though when it's mentioned that there's an assumption that "oh, they're in a relationship" means "oh, they'd put that ahead of what's good for their career." Regardless of their personal lives, they are in it to win a championship so I'd expect if she got a great offer from a contending team that she would go there.


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I can confirm Erlana Larkins, Plenette Pierson, and Erika De Souza are UFAs. Tiffany Bias is an RFA. I also think that all of the signings in early 2016 did not have the magic words "multi-year" even if they were. Renee Montgomery and Sylvia Fowles were examples of those that merely "signed" but that Shades says are still under contract.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 3:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think that dtsnms tries to say that this board is about basketball and not about who is dating who or it turn it into a gossip board.
A lot of wnba players are trying to keep their personal life private so we can try to respect that IMO.

But there have been multiple players that have based their choice to play for a certain team on who they were dating or broken up with (Katie Smith, Camille Little to name a few) So it might be a solid reason for Jasmine Thomas to stay with the Sun..



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 3:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I think that dtsnms tries to say that this board is about basketball and not about who is dating who or it turn it into a gossip board.
A lot of wnba players are trying to keep their personal life private so we can try to respect that IMO.

But there have been multiple players that have based their choice to play for a certain team on who they were dating or broken up with (Katie Smith, Camille Little to name a few) So it might be a solid reason for Jasmine Thomas to stay with the Sun..


Yes but it's common knowledge about Jasmine and Alyssa. It's not gossip. It's all over each other's facebook/instagram pages. They don't hide it. So why do I get blasted for saying 'Jasmine might want to stay on the team because her and Alyssa are in a relationship'. Dtmns (sp?) said rebkell is about what happens on the court, not off of it. Well, the two players being in a relationship IS about what happens on the court if it means they want to stay on the same team. I have NOT once disrespected anyone here aside from a comment I made to Jet Jaguar for which I previously apologized for. Yes I am new to this site as a poster, not a reader, and the other person who said that new people should be welcomed and not chided or whatever. Most of the people on this site are very nice, some are NOT and are rude, and unwelcoming (Shades) but I got over it and I haven't started anything with anyone. As much as I despise Alan Barcoff (the biggest idiot I've ever encountered on the internet), maybe he's correct in his assessment of the people on this site. I hope not, because honestly, like I said, most are very nice here and welcoming, but then there are a few a*holes who like to apparently bully new people away from the site. I say ''whatever'' and I will continue posting here and I will post whatever I want to post here about women's basketball. I do not disrespect anyone (again, except for Jet for which I apologized) and yes, dtmns, your post WAS ridiculous. For that I will not apologize. Sheesh, some of you really need to get that stick out of your butts and get over yourselves and accept that there will be new people joining. And if some of you don't like it, don't open this forum up to new members. Then you can keep your happy little family together without any outsiders coming in and saying some little thing that may ruffle your old feathers.

Anyways, I said my peace on the matter. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 4:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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And it's relevant to the discussion of Jaz being a UFA how? That's my point. It doesn't matter. So why discuss it? If Ay Mate thinks so little of Jaz as a professional athlete that she's going to stay in one place to be with her significant other, that's disrespectful to her.


I get what you're saying, but I don't think the poster had any ill intent. All he/she was saying is Thomas might be enticed to return to the Sun because she's in a relationship with a player that's not only public display for everyone, but plays for the same team. That's all I saw.



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And it's relevant to the discussion of Jaz being a UFA how? That's my point. It doesn't matter. So why discuss it? If Ay Mate thinks so little of Jaz as a professional athlete that she's going to stay in one place to be with her significant other, that's disrespectful to her.


I get what you're saying, but I don't think the poster had any ill intent. All he/she was saying is Thomas might be enticed to return to the Sun because she's in a relationship with a player that's not only public display for everyone, but plays for the same team. That's all I saw.


I agree with your take mavcarter. Honestly, I don't see it as any different than speculating about EDD wanting to go to Washington or New York because it's closer to her family. If you're in a serious relationship (I'm just assuming they are serious, I don't follow either on social media) that person and where that person is can play an important role in your professional decisions.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 4:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Yes but it's common knowledge about Jasmine and Alyssa. It's not gossip. It's all over each other's facebook/instagram pages. They don't hide it. So why do I get blasted for saying 'Jasmine might want to stay on the team because her and Alyssa are in a relationship'. Dtmns (sp?) said rebkell is about what happens on the court, not off of it. Well, the two players being in a relationship IS about what happens on the court if it means they want to stay on the same team. I


Understand where he is coming from, though. He is one of the biggest WNBA proponents, a media guy who does tons of podcasts. He's interviewed pretty much everyone in women's basketball. He's spent years defending the league and the players against sexism. Your post could be interpreted as guaranteeing she'd stay because she's dating a teammate - in other words, that she would put her athletic career second even if she got a good offer. And in years past we really did get folks coming over from L Chat who wanted to gossip and dish dirt. So that's the context.

Barcoff's entire motivation is: he wants a job. So, he needs his website to be the only credible one with him as the most knowledgeable poster. He also needs everyone else to seem incompetent so that a job opens up for him.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 4:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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dtsnms wrote:
And it's relevant to the discussion of Jaz being a UFA how? That's my point. It doesn't matter. So why discuss it? If Ay Mate thinks so little of Jaz as a professional athlete that she's going to stay in one place to be with her significant other, that's disrespectful to her.


I get what you're saying, but I don't think the poster had any ill intent. All he/she was saying is Thomas might be enticed to return to the Sun because she's in a relationship with a player that's not only public display for everyone, but plays for the same team. That's all I saw.


And that's all I meant. I think Jasmine will return to the Sun because she seems very happy there, is coming off her best season as a pro, likes her new head coach a lot and because she gets to play along side her gf. I don't see any harm in saying that. Anyways... moving on


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 4:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Both Diggins and Meesseman already signed extensions. I am reasonably certain that Erica Wheeler and Haley Peters each signed one year contracts and would therefore be reserved.

One item I am curious about is whether any other Chicago Sky vets will want out. New coach and the loss of a franchise player will alter the team from the one they signed contracts to back in 2015.


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 5:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Actually Dave, he's not new..it's just a new "identity". Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 6:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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dtsnms wrote:
Ay Mate, I know you are new to the board, but we generally keep the "off the court" stuff private, okay?


Actually Dave, he's not new..it's just a new "identity". Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 12/27/16 7:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Whether or not players' personal lives are relevant to the thread or the board or not, posters' personal lives and tenure pissing matches are not.

FWIW, I remember a time when we discussed relationships that weren't even on social media, let alone in the news.



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Queenie wrote:
Whether or not players' personal lives are relevant to the thread or the board or not, posters' personal lives and tenure pissing matches are not.

FWIW, I remember a time when we discussed relationships that weren't even on social media, let alone in the news.



Oh yes i remember those days too . One of my friends got blocked about 3 different times 😁



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 9:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

this thread went way off track quickly.



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PostPosted: 12/27/16 10:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In no particular order:


* it is unfortunate the league does not divulge contract and salary terms and publish free agent lists

* it has been an unwritten rule to try to stay on topic and not publicize relationships that weren't blatantly public (not because they to be hid...more to respect privacy and keep it basketball focused)

* at mate correctly described Alan as the biggest idiot on the internet so all is forgiven



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PostPosted: 12/28/16 12:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I've been on this board for almost 3 years and never heard of these "unwritten rules". So if you guys want us to follow them, you might want to actually let your members know. Just a suggestion



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