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PostPosted: 12/04/16 8:44 pm    ::: And its Official Time for the 2017 Hot Seat ... Reply Reply with quote

Lets Kick It Off With

Tennessee

Rutgers

Virginia

Clemson

North Carolina

Southern Cal


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PostPosted: 12/04/16 8:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

several of these have gotten extensions and in wbb it's unusual for any school to buy out a contract. If this were mbb, most of these coaches would be long gone. So much for Title IX.

and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



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PostPosted: 12/04/16 8:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think what people fail to recognize about extensions are...

Many extensions are for recruiting and the details are not put out but anyone on the hot seat is getting an extension that looks like one more year than they currently have promised - a low buy out - and the rest of the years on the contract are all optional at the schools decision.


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add Illinois too



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myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?



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Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?


I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


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PostPosted: 12/04/16 10:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Does Boston College care? Their team has totally fallen off a cliff.

But since it's still not as bad as their FB or MBB teams, it may not matter.

Is Purdue ever going to hire a new coach?


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 12:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?





I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


Everything came apart last season and she kept her job. Dukes AD doesn't give a crap.



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PostPosted: 12/05/16 1:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?


I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


Cal? Last year they were very young (and it showed)....no seniors...one junior who played. This season they have a more experienced squad plus three frosh already making an impact. Pac12 will be tough, but Cal should be in the mix. Gottlieb just signed and extension and excellent 2017 class. No hot seat at Haas...not by a long shot.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 8:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NoDakSt wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?





I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


Everything came apart last season and she kept her job. Dukes AD doesn't give a crap.



There several reasons McCallie didnt loose her job...#1 she negotiated herself a hell of a contract with a huge buyout..AD extended her & no way he was willing to pay that buyout

#2 and maybe the most telling is that White has a ego & hates to admit he is wrong. No way he was going to admit that he made a mistake giving her that extension and negotiating such a crappy contract for Duke...People in the admin knew from the beginning that the inquiry wouldn't lead to her firing...That White didn't have the balls to do it & admit his mistake.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 9:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Clemson is 8-0. That should cool the seat a bit, at least for now. Although to be fair, they haven't played anyone yet.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 10:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Unless something is terribly wrong within a program, what AD is going to lose even more money on women's basketball by buying out a contract? You can make the greatest hire in the world and still not make the program profitable.

Also, FWIW, BC's football team made a bowl game. Any job that's not hockey at BC is a tough one. Not much elite regional talent in hoops or football.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 10:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Boston College is such a strange situation. Clearly, the move to the ACC has not worked out very good for them. But, on the flip side, if they hadn't jumped when they did, they could very well find themselves in a situation similar to UConn without the basketball traditions of both teams. They would have been completely screwed.

I was also going to mention Clemson at 8-0 but that's been done already.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 10:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LegoMyEggo wrote:


Also, FWIW, BC's football team made a bowl game. Any job that's not hockey at BC is a tough one. Not much elite regional talent in hoops or football.


Did they? Didn't realize that. I was thinking of last year when IIRC they didn't win a single ACC fb or mbb game.

They used to be good in both sports. This is a very recent phenomenon and speaks of a total dereliction of responsibility. They won the BE in football and played in the BE title game. And they were good in MBB under Skinner. They never should have fired him.

I'm not a BC fan, but it concerns me what has happened in their athletic dept. And two years ago it looked like WBB was on its way up. This year that promise seems to have vaporized and I don't understand why.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

goforit77 wrote:
People in the admin knew from the beginning that the inquiry wouldn't lead to her firing.


Maybe it had the desired effect. Biggest win in a while. Team is playing better basketball. Really good recruiting class. And her demeanor seems improved. Maybe she got the message loud and clear.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 10:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
goforit77 wrote:
People in the admin knew from the beginning that the inquiry wouldn't lead to her firing.


Maybe it had the desired effect. Biggest win in a while. Team is playing better basketball. Really good recruiting class. And her demeanor seems improved. Maybe she got the message loud and clear.



That is the prevailing thought...


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 11:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CalwbbFan wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?


I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


Cal? Last year they were very young (and it showed)....no seniors...one junior who played. This season they have a more experienced squad plus three frosh already making an impact. Pac12 will be tough, but Cal should be in the mix. Gottlieb just signed and extension and excellent 2017 class. No hot seat at Haas...not by a long shot.


well, year after year with very good recruits and the results have been ...meh. Yeah they do great in preseason against mids, but not so great in P12. I keep thinking they will come around. Guess we'll see where they're at when they play Oklahoma. That should be a good test. It just looks to me like another case of a feel-good coach, but not a really good coach. I think some programs are just happy to have the 'nice'.



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PostPosted: 12/05/16 11:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gottleib just got a contract extension through 2021. She's not going anywhere.

Caldwell-Fargas has until 2019 so it's possible the school might eat the final year of her contract. LSU has done better this year so far (terrible words from Geno aside) and has a good class coming in next year including Calwell-Fargas' niece. If she does respectably, does LSU extend her contract or try for someone else? She's woefully overpaid but even at a smaller salary, many LSU fans feel she should be out.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 11:35 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Caldwell had such a good thing going at UCLA, should've never left. That program would be a consistent final four contender. Love Cori Close, but Nikki had something special started.
Understandable that she wanted to be in the south, but too bad it didn't work out the way for her like it has for Dawn Staley or Jeff Walz or other younger coaches.


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 12:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
CalwbbFan wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?


I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


Cal? Last year they were very young (and it showed)....no seniors...one junior who played. This season they have a more experienced squad plus three frosh already making an impact. Pac12 will be tough, but Cal should be in the mix. Gottlieb just signed and extension and excellent 2017 class. No hot seat at Haas...not by a long shot.


well, year after year with very good recruits and the results have been ...meh.


As a relatively young coach she may not be up to the Stanford standards that you're used to, but she did bring Cal to their first Final Four in 2013, and made a good game of it.

I have a feeling you were overly swayed by Artbest's campaign against Gottlieb last season. And his basis seemed to be nothing more than the notion that Anigwe was the best freshman in the nation, the best center in the PAC-12, and any team with Anigwe should be world-beaters. Let me explain something. Anigwe is just one player and a freshman at that (last year). It takes more than one player to make a team, and this player although very good is not Brittney Griner, who had much better talent around her.



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Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:
CalwbbFan wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?


I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


Cal? Last year they were very young (and it showed)....no seniors...one junior who played. This season they have a more experienced squad plus three frosh already making an impact. Pac12 will be tough, but Cal should be in the mix. Gottlieb just signed and extension and excellent 2017 class. No hot seat at Haas...not by a long shot.


well, year after year with very good recruits and the results have been ...meh.


As a relatively young coach she may not be up to the Stanford standards that you're used to, but she did bring Cal to their first Final Four in 2013, and made a good game of it.

I have a feeling you were overly swayed by Artbest's campaign against Gottlieb last season. And his basis seemed to be nothing more than the notion that Anigwe was the best freshman in the nation, the best center in the PAC-12, and any team with Anigwe should be world-beaters. Let me explain something. Anigwe is just one player and a freshman at that (last year). It takes more than one player to make a team, and this player although very good is not Brittney Griner, who had much better talent around her.


I see the master of misstatement and mischaracterization is at it again. 👎


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myrtle wrote:
CalwbbFan wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


and I would add Cal to that list. Lots of good players and never such good results.

Duke too of course. But maybe beating SC today saved her ass.



Except that California is undefeated this season including a 21 pt win over Nebraska today and a 20 pt win win over Duquesne in their last game. Last year they lost Gray and Boyd, so not understanding the high expectations.

Duke? No way. Are you another one who refuses to acknowledge Duke had an inordinate amount of injuries to deal with basically from 2014 on? Aren't we talking about 2017? How terrible did Duke look today?


I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


Cal? Last year they were very young (and it showed)....no seniors...one junior who played. This season they have a more experienced squad plus three frosh already making an impact. Pac12 will be tough, but Cal should be in the mix. Gottlieb just signed and extension and excellent 2017 class. No hot seat at Haas...not by a long shot.


well, year after year with very good recruits and the results have been ...meh. Yeah they do great in preseason against mids, but not so great in P12. I keep thinking they will come around. Guess we'll see where they're at when they play Oklahoma. That should be a good test. It just looks to me like another case of a feel-good coach, but not a really good coach. I think some programs are just happy to have the 'nice'.


Oh please...one losing season does not a career make. In 2014-15 they went 24-10 (13-5 in Pac12) and 2013-14 had same Pac 12 record....the year before they went 32-4 to FF under Gottlieb....are you really going to trash a coach for one down year (and they did play well in Pac12 tourney at the end).

This year's team has a lot of depth and the three frosh are immediate impact players....Cal still has only one senior.

BTW, Gottlieb is expecting her first child...in May. Hopefully Cal Bears will have a great spring all around. Smile


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PostPosted: 12/05/16 1:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
I suspect McCallie was on a short leash after their internal review this off season. But she banked a lot of good will with that impressive win over S Car today. And they looked good. And she recruited a great 2017 class. I would think it's unlikely she'll lose her job unless everything comes apart at the seams for some reason.


If Brown and Greenwell stay for their fifth years, Duke could also be really good next year, plus allowing the freshmen to adjust to college.


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Oh please...one losing season does not a career make. In 2014-15 they went 24-10 (13-5 in Pac12) and 2013-14 had same Pac 12 record....the year before they went 32-4 to FF under Gottlieb....are you really going to trash a coach for one down year (and they did play well in Pac12 tourney at the end).

This year's team has a lot of depth and the three frosh are immediate impact players....Cal still has only one senior.

BTW, Gottlieb is expecting her first child...in May. Hopefully Cal Bears will have a great spring all around. Smile


I agree with those who find Gottlieb's seat to be icey cold. She brought 'em to a Final 4, which buys a loooootttttt of goodwill, and though last year's very (VERY!) young team struggled some, they had it pretty well put-together by season's end (including a Pac-12 Tourney win over #10 ASU), and they're off to a very good start to *this* season. Massey's got 'em ranked at #18, and Sagarin's got 'em ranked at #28.

Cal's fine. Gottlieb's fine.


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Is Purdue ever going to hire a new coach?


Hopefully this year, but it's hard to say. Purdue has a new AD that is cleaning up the football mess and might turn his head to WBB next. Unfortunately, Morgan Burke signed Versyp to an extension on his way out the door, though word is that it made the buy-out lower if she is fired.

Fingers crossed (thought, I would still be thrilled if they beat South Carolina).


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goforit77 wrote:
That White didn't have the balls to do it & admit his mistake.


Having experienced White from his time at ND, I think you could have just shortened your post to the above quoted section... Wink


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PUmatty wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:

Is Purdue ever going to hire a new coach?


Hopefully this year, but it's hard to say. Purdue has a new AD that is cleaning up the football mess and might turn his head to WBB next. Unfortunately, Morgan Burke signed Versyp to an extension on his way out the door, though word is that it made the buy-out lower if she is fired.

Fingers crossed (thought, I would still be thrilled if they beat South Carolina).


Yeah, I'm truly shocked how far Purdue has fallen. One plus for me is that it has allowed ND to pretty much lock down the top in state talent. It used to be that ND would always lose that talent to UT and Purdue.

Still, I think it would be great to have Purdue rise again and renew the ND-Purdue rivalry.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
LegoMyEggo wrote:


Also, FWIW, BC's football team made a bowl game. Any job that's not hockey at BC is a tough one. Not much elite regional talent in hoops or football.


Did they? Didn't realize that. I was thinking of last year when IIRC they didn't win a single ACC fb or mbb game.

They used to be good in both sports. This is a very recent phenomenon and speaks of a total dereliction of responsibility. They won the BE in football and played in the BE title game. And they were good in MBB under Skinner. They never should have fired him.

I'm not a BC fan, but it concerns me what has happened in their athletic dept. And two years ago it looked like WBB was on its way up. This year that promise seems to have vaporized and I don't understand why.


My understanding is that BC is attempting to be a big-time ACC school with... not a big-time anything budget. They can't afford to be in the ACC; at the same time, they're so invested in football they can't afford to attempt a downgrade. Plus, they burned their bridges with the Big East.



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Queenie wrote:


My understanding is that BC is attempting to be a big-time ACC school with... not a big-time anything budget. They can't afford to be in the ACC; at the same time, they're so invested in football they can't afford to attempt a downgrade. Plus, they burned their bridges with the Big East.


They're getting paid the same $26million+ as every other ACC school, they're bigger than Wake Forest, and about the same size as Miami. Not sure why they can't have a budget equal to much of the rest of the conference. They certainly have enough money to hire coaches.

They were doing fine until just the past three or four years.

I think their problem is primarily mismanagement by Leahy and the current and previous Ads.


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Yeah, I'm truly shocked how far Purdue has fallen. One plus for me is that it has allowed ND to pretty much lock down the top in state talent. It used to be that ND would always lose that talent to UT and Purdue.

Still, I think it would be great to have Purdue rise again and renew the ND-Purdue rivalry.


Versyp made two Elite Eight appearances in her first three seasons - 2007 and 2009.

After a losing season and a 21-win season, Purdue bounced back in 2012, with 25 wins and a second place finish in the Big Ten.

But since? Purdue finished 4th twice in the Big Ten, before finishes of 13th and 6th the past two seasons.

In the past seven years, Purdue has lost in the NCAA second round four times, lost in the NCAA first round once, lost in the WNIT second round once, and missed all postseason tournaments once.

Since that time, Ohio State has really stepped up its recruiting (in the post-Foster era). Maryland has joined the Big Ten and has made Final Four appearances. Michigan State has finished in the top three in the Big Ten seven out of the last eight years - and has made at least the NCAA second round in seven out of the last eight years. Other teams have had one or two good seasons recently (Nebraska, Iowa, etc.).

Say what you will about Kristy Curry, she made one Final Four, another Elite Eight, and reached at least the Sweet 16 in four of her seven seasons (the other three years were second round losses). And there were some fans who were questioning whether her seat was warm (before some of the NCAA violations) because she had only made the Sweet 16 twice in her last three years (the other year being a second round loss).

Purdue has gone from a national program to a middle-of-the-pack Big 10 team. Time for a change in leadership.


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
CBiebel wrote:
Yeah, I'm truly shocked how far Purdue has fallen. One plus for me is that it has allowed ND to pretty much lock down the top in state talent. It used to be that ND would always lose that talent to UT and Purdue.

Still, I think it would be great to have Purdue rise again and renew the ND-Purdue rivalry.


Versyp made two Elite Eight appearances in her first three seasons - 2007 and 2009.

After a losing season and a 21-win season, Purdue bounced back in 2012, with 25 wins and a second place finish in the Big Ten.

But since? Purdue finished 4th twice in the Big Ten, before finishes of 13th and 6th the past two seasons.

In the past seven years, Purdue has lost in the NCAA second round four times, lost in the NCAA first round once, lost in the WNIT second round once, and missed all postseason tournaments once.

Since that time, Ohio State has really stepped up its recruiting (in the post-Foster era). Maryland has joined the Big Ten and has made Final Four appearances. Michigan State has finished in the top three in the Big Ten seven out of the last eight years - and has made at least the NCAA second round in seven out of the last eight years. Other teams have had one or two good seasons recently (Nebraska, Iowa, etc.).

Say what you will about Kristy Curry, she made one Final Four, another Elite Eight, and reached at least the Sweet 16 in four of her seven seasons (the other three years were second round losses). And there were some fans who were questioning whether her seat was warm (before some of the NCAA violations) because she had only made the Sweet 16 twice in her last three years (the other year being a second round loss).

Purdue has gone from a national program to a middle-of-the-pack Big 10 team. Time for a change in leadership.


I think people also often forget that teams that win early on for a coach are often (usually) the previous coach's recruits. It's not until year 3 or 4 their own recruits start to make an impact.

On that note, I'll be interested to see how Indiana does in the next couple of years. The upper class are Curt Miller's recruits.


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Did someone say Tennessee ????


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Did someone say Tennessee ????


Special case. Holly represents a legacy and firing her would seen by many in the LV community as a rejection of that legacy.

Besides, she has BTB E8 appearances that balance last year's regular season ugliness. And a highly touted class coming in.


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Ladyvol777 wrote:
Did someone say Tennessee ????


Special case. Holly represents a legacy and firing her would seen by many in the LV community as a rejection of that legacy.

Besides, she has BTB E8 appearances that balance last year's regular season ugliness. And a highly touted class coming in.


Also there wil be a new AD after June. (Thanks be to all the gods) One thinks there could hardly be any worse than Hammy and Heartless Dave, but then, you never really know, do you? UT is also getting a new chancellor. Jimmy the Cheek and Heartless Dave were hand-in-pocket buddies with DEEP Alabama connections. The new chancellor is from University of Cincinnati.



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CBiebel wrote:






On that note, I'll be interested to see how Indiana does in the next couple of years. The upper class are Curt Miller's recruits.


Many of his recruits left.


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Auburn's Terri Williams-Flournoy is on a seat that is red hot. She is coaching in the final year of her 5 year contract. Recruiting and style of play(chicken and egg) are really making it difficult to compete with the top teams in the SEC.


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CBiebel wrote:
Yeah, I'm truly shocked how far Purdue has fallen. One plus for me is that it has allowed ND to pretty much lock down the top in state talent. It used to be that ND would always lose that talent to UT and Purdue.

Still, I think it would be great to have Purdue rise again and renew the ND-Purdue rivalry.


Versyp made two Elite Eight appearances in her first three seasons - 2007 and 2009.

After a losing season and a 21-win season, Purdue bounced back in 2012, with 25 wins and a second place finish in the Big Ten.

But since? Purdue finished 4th twice in the Big Ten, before finishes of 13th and 6th the past two seasons.

In the past seven years, Purdue has lost in the NCAA second round four times, lost in the NCAA first round once, lost in the WNIT second round once, and missed all postseason tournaments once.

Since that time, Ohio State has really stepped up its recruiting (in the post-Foster era). Maryland has joined the Big Ten and has made Final Four appearances. Michigan State has finished in the top three in the Big Ten seven out of the last eight years - and has made at least the NCAA second round in seven out of the last eight years. Other teams have had one or two good seasons recently (Nebraska, Iowa, etc.).

Say what you will about Kristy Curry, she made one Final Four, another Elite Eight, and reached at least the Sweet 16 in four of her seven seasons (the other three years were second round losses). And there were some fans who were questioning whether her seat was warm (before some of the NCAA violations) because she had only made the Sweet 16 twice in her last three years (the other year being a second round loss).

Purdue has gone from a national program to a middle-of-the-pack Big 10 team. Time for a change in leadership.



Curry's FF was with Fortner/Peck recruits, and maybe even a Dunn recruit.

1996 - Dunn
1997 - Fortner
1998 - Peck
1999 - Peck - NC
2000 - Curry
2001 - Curry - FF


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
CBiebel wrote:






On that note, I'll be interested to see how Indiana does in the next couple of years. The upper class are Curt Miller's recruits.


Many of his recruits left.


The leading scorers now are almost all from his classes, including the top four scorers.


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Curry's FF was with Fortner/Peck recruits, and maybe even a Dunn recruit.

1996 - Dunn
1997 - Fortner
1998 - Peck
1999 - Peck - NC
2000 - Curry
2001 - Curry - FF


None of the players on that team were Peck recruits. Douglas and Cooper were Dunn recruits, Komara and Crawford were Fortner recruits. Wright, Hurns, and Valek were all Curry recruits. Even the scrubs were all recruited by someone other than Peck.



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pilight wrote:
Ex-Ref wrote:
Curry's FF was with Fortner/Peck recruits, and maybe even a Dunn recruit.

1996 - Dunn
1997 - Fortner
1998 - Peck
1999 - Peck - NC
2000 - Curry
2001 - Curry - FF


None of the players on that team were Peck recruits. Douglas and Cooper were Dunn recruits, Komara and Crawford were Fortner recruits. Wright, Hurns, and Valek were all Curry recruits. Even the scrubs were all recruited by someone other than Peck.


And Wright and Hurns were both on the All Final Four team. Valek was the starting point guard who went down earlier in the tournament. Sure, she didn't recruit Douglas, Cooper, or Komara, but Curry's recruiting fingerprints were all over that team.

Versyp, on the other hand, hasn't made it to the Sweet 16 since the last of Curry's recruits left. She also hasn't had a single player she recruited (or who transferred in) drafted. Something like 70 teams have had at least one drafted player, and Purdue is not one of them.


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pilight wrote:
Ex-Ref wrote:
Curry's FF was with Fortner/Peck recruits, and maybe even a Dunn recruit.

1996 - Dunn
1997 - Fortner
1998 - Peck
1999 - Peck - NC
2000 - Curry
2001 - Curry - FF


None of the players on that team were Peck recruits. Douglas and Cooper were Dunn recruits, Komara and Crawford were Fortner recruits. Wright, Hurns, and Valek were all Curry recruits. Even the scrubs were all recruited by someone other than Peck.


Peck was an assistant to Fortner in '97 is why I included her the way I did: Fortner/Peck recruits instead of typing Fortner, Peck recruits....


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Versyp, on the other hand, hasn't made it to the Sweet 16 since the last of Curry's recruits left. She also hasn't had a single player she recruited (or who transferred in) drafted. Something like 70 teams have had at least one drafted player, and Purdue is not one of them.


What is said is that for those of us who were bball fans in the late 1980s and through the 1990s, we remember how great of a program Purdue was. The battles in the Big Ten were legendary. Stringer had some great Iowa teams. Ohio State made the Final Four in Katie Smith's freshman year. Wisconsin was always tough (especially with Barb Franke).

Dunn took them to the Final Four. Then Peck's team made the Final Four and won the national title. And Curry's team made the Final Four.

And Purdue had great players throughout the program's history. Joy Holmes. Stacey Lovelace. Jannon Roland. Then Stephanie White, Ukari Figgs, Katie Douglas, Kelly Komara, Shereka Wright, etc.

It is just a shame to see what has happened to the program and sad to see as a basketball fan.


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The question is would you take Versyp over mcCallie?


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Nixtreefan wrote:
The question is would you take Versyp over mcCallie?


Kind of crazy that both coached at the University of Maine. Maybe that place has a bad effect on coaches?


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Purdue isn't anywhere close to making the NCAA tourney this year. Record is OK right now but played nobody. RPI in the mid-100's.
Versyp has buried this program. Can only hope new AD is taking a closer look but Versyp still has plenty of support from assistant AD (Cross).


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Sadly, there are only three requirements for a women's basketball Division I coach to keep her job in the majority, if not most, of the schools.

1) Keep the graduation rate at or above whatever the standard is at that school for students at large and/or athletes;

2) Stay around .500 and get to the one of the many postseason tournaments now and again;

3) Don't sleep with the players.

OK, this is an oversimplification, and there are some schools to which it does not apply, but for the most part it's not that hard to hold onto a job in a minor revenue sport like women's basketball.



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Robin Harmony at Lamar, but the admin won't care. All of Tidwell's players are long gone and she tumbled last year. This year, other than stacking the schedule with the maximum allowed NAIA teams, she has looked inept and got her rear handed to her. She won a conference title in her first year...all with Tidwell's players. It's been on the decline ever since. They had a shorter leash with Pat Knight, why the double standard? They demanded results with the men but the women get a free pass? Terrible.


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Robin Harmony at Lamar, but the admin won't care. All of Tidwell's players are long gone and she tumbled last year. This year, other than stacking the schedule with the maximum allowed NAIA teams, she has looked inept and got her rear handed to her. She won a conference title in her first year...all with Tidwell's players. It's been on the decline ever since. They had a shorter leash with Pat Knight, why the double standard? They demanded results with the men but the women get a free pass? Terrible.


I don't know exactly the situation there but in general the 'minors' have a difficult time recruiting since they pretty much only get the ones not recruited by the majors except in special circumstances. Not excusing anyone but just saying the standard is quite a bit different than for the P5 coaches.



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Oh please...one losing season does not a career make. In 2014-15 they went 24-10 (13-5 in Pac12) and 2013-14 had same Pac 12 record....the year before they went 32-4 to FF under Gottlieb....are you really going to trash a coach for one down year (and they did play well in Pac12 tourney at the end).

This year's team has a lot of depth and the three frosh are immediate impact players....Cal still has only one senior.

BTW, Gottlieb is expecting her first child...in May. Hopefully Cal Bears will have a great spring all around. Smile


I agree with those who find Gottlieb's seat to be icey cold. She brought 'em to a Final 4, which buys a loooootttttt of goodwill, and though last year's very (VERY!) young team struggled some, they had it pretty well put-together by season's end (including a Pac-12 Tourney win over #10 ASU), and they're off to a very good start to *this* season. Massey's got 'em ranked at #18, and Sagarin's got 'em ranked at #28.

Cal's fine. Gottlieb's fine.


well, I'm glad Cal fans are happy enough with her anyway because she is a feel-good quality person. But their OOC schedule has been extremely weak and to me it looks like with all their McD's AA players, the results should be better. Guess we will see how they do against Ok since that will be their first real test this year. I see they actually seem to have some outside shooting this year, which should help open up the middle for Anigwe who is clearly a quality player.

PS Nobody seems to mention that the final 4 run was with inherited players.



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summertime blues wrote:
linkster wrote:
Ladyvol777 wrote:
Did someone say Tennessee ????


Special case. Holly represents a legacy and firing her would seen by many in the LV community as a rejection of that legacy.

Besides, she has BTB E8 appearances that balance last year's regular season ugliness. And a highly touted class coming in.


Also there wil be a new AD after June. (Thanks be to all the gods) One thinks there could hardly be any worse than Hammy and Heartless Dave, but then, you never really know, do you? UT is also getting a new chancellor. Jimmy the Cheek and Heartless Dave were hand-in-pocket buddies with DEEP Alabama connections. The new chancellor is from University of Cincinnati.


I will say it..... There cannot be any worse than Dave Hart. Tennessee was better off with the good ole boy he replaced. There are so many quality ADs that would walk to Tennessee for that job... I don't know why they don't hire a good fit this time/


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