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How Many Career Points will Kelsey Plum End Up With?
2418-3000
22%
 22%  [ 2 ]
3001-3283
22%
 22%  [ 2 ]
3284-3393
33%
 33%  [ 3 ]
3394-3667
22%
 22%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: 11/10/16 11:45 pm    ::: How Many Career Points will Kelsey Plum End Up With? Reply Reply with quote

Simple enough question.


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PostPosted: 11/11/16 12:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It would be helpful if you state how many points she has now.
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PostPosted: 11/11/16 2:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Plum currently has 2,417 points through her Junior year



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PostPosted: 11/11/16 9:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

She'll have 3341 when she finishes.


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PostPosted: 11/11/16 11:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe the poll should be when will she learn to play some defense, c'mon, even just a little would be nice Wink


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PostPosted: 11/11/16 11:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess whoever voted under 3000 thinks she will get injured.



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PostPosted: 11/11/16 12:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's interesting that Plum took the exact same number of shots (544) in her freshman and sophomore years. In her junior year, the number of shots bumped up to 760. All other things being equal, I'd expect her to maintain that junior level output, and most likely playing at least a couple less games.
I'll put her at 35 games * 24 pts/gm output (840 pts) for her senior year as a liberal guess. That puts her at about 3257 for career.

So breaking down the choices
2418-3000 ~ Disappointing senior year
3001-3283 ~ Most likely outcome
3284-3393 ~ Great senior year
3394-3667 ~ Irrational exuberance



I had no idea Plum's ato numbers were so abhorrent until I looked into it now. She was 154/159 in her junior year, even though it was her first year playing PG in earnest. If she's serious about becoming a PG at the next level, she'll have to show a stark improvement her senior year. At least get into 1.5 ato territory.



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PostPosted: 12/24/16 1:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

After non-conference play, Plum sits at 2811, leaving her needing to score 583 more points to surpass Stiles. As usual, I forgot to pay attention when adding the last poll option, but it seems unlikely that anyone would have picked her to surpass Maravich.

Washington should have a minimum of 20 games left, which would require 29.15ppg to break the record. The maximum number of games possible would be 28, which would only need a pace of slightly above 20.82ppg. The most realistic number of games is somewhere between that.


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PostPosted: 12/24/16 4:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I had no idea Plum's ato numbers were so abhorrent until I looked into it now. She was 154/159 in her junior year, even though it was her first year playing PG in earnest. If she's serious about becoming a PG at the next level, she'll have to show a stark improvement her senior year. At least get into 1.5 ato territory.


Through the non-conference schedule, she has 73 assists (5.6 per game) to 26 turnovers (2.0 per game) for a 2.8 ratio.


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PostPosted: 12/24/16 4:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PickledGinger wrote:
Shades wrote:
I had no idea Plum's ato numbers were so abhorrent until I looked into it now. She was 154/159 in her junior year, even though it was her first year playing PG in earnest. If she's serious about becoming a PG at the next level, she'll have to show a stark improvement her senior year. At least get into 1.5 ato territory.


Through the non-conference schedule, she has 73 assists (5.6 per game) to 26 turnovers (2.0 per game) for a 2.8 ratio.


That's definitely the improvement I was looking for. I hope she can keep it up through conference play.



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PostPosted: 12/28/16 12:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Accounting for her 21 points tonight, here are the averages she would need depending on games played in order to surpass Stiles.

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19   29.6
20   28.1
21   26.8
22   25.5
23   24.4
24   23.4
25   22.5
26   21.6
27   20.8


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PostPosted: 12/31/16 12:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

44 points is certainly going to change the numbers a bit.

Here are the updated averages that would be needed to break the record:

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18   28.8
19   27.3
20   25.9
21   24.7
22   23.5
23   22.5
24   21.6
25   20.7
26   19.9


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PostPosted: 12/31/16 1:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm feeling better about my "irrational exuberance" vote... Cool Keep it up Plum bum. (If only she weren't on the enemy's fantasy team)



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PostPosted: 12/31/16 1:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Her third 44-point game of the year. She's ridiculous.


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PostPosted: 12/31/16 8:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

San Antonio has the 1st pick in the draft. They really need a post player. Do they go with Coates from SC? Or do they pick arguably the best player in the upcoming draft Kelsey Plum?

Do the Stars keep both Moriah Jefferson and their last years starting PG (Robinson right? I forget her name). McBride will also be back from a season missed with injury. Would a starting lineup of Jefferson, Robinson, McBride, Currie and Coates work? I never really pay any attention to San Antonio and don't know what position McBride plays. I think they'll be better than last year.


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PostPosted: 01/01/17 7:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Update after today:

Code:

17   29.2
18   27.6
19   26.1
20   24.8
21   23.6
22   22.5
23   21.6
24   20.7
25   19.8


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PostPosted: 01/02/17 4:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Geno would have his team face-guarding Plum and let somebody else try to beat 'em. Unless other teams consider doing the same, Plum will most likely take enough shots to routinely put up 20+ ppg.



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PostPosted: 01/02/17 5:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Geno would have his team face-guarding Plum and let somebody else try to beat 'em. Unless other teams consider doing the same, Plum will most likely take enough shots to routinely put up 20+ ppg.


That is what most teams do - put their best defender on her and bring lots of help. She's still doing what she does.



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PostPosted: 01/02/17 5:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Don't get too caught up in the college hype. Remember when Jimmer was the next big thing because he was averaging 30 a game with several 40 point games? Remember when there were those fans who said Banham was gonna prove people wrong and be that scorer at the WNBA level? Remember Kelly Mazzante, the big time scorer with some height for a guard who some thought might be a force at the next level? Plum will make a team no doubt and she could contribute to a team. But sure shot superstar or even big player right away, remains to be seen. She'd be better off going to a team like Minnesota and hitting some big shots a la Rogers to get some reps rather than go to a terrible team where she's a priority. When I watch her play, she works hard as it is to get her looks. Can you imagine guarding the likes of Skylar Diggins, then come down and try to get the ball (let alone an open look) then once you do try to get an open shot? Players like Fowles, Griner etc will be waiting in the paint for someone a foot shorter to try a floater and players like Augustus, McCoughtry, etc. could be checking someone like her off of a switch. I'm not saying it's not possible it just seems to be there's this sense of "she's tearing it up in college so she's easily going to do it in the W." A generously listed 5'8" guard, she could be a Hammon like player who can hit the three and weave her way to the basket with circus shots but I mean, isn't that a rarity?


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PostPosted: 01/07/17 1:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Obviously I might feel differently if this was my team, but I miss the version of Kelsey that would shoot regardless of how good of a choice it was. Her 34 points tonight push her up to 2932.

Here is the updated table:
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16   28.9
17   27.2
18   25.7
19   24.3
20   23.1
21   22.0
22   21.0
23   20.1
24   19.3


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PostPosted: 01/07/17 11:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's most likely Kelsey has 20 games left. She should be able to do what she wants against the Pac-12 guards.


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PostPosted: 01/08/17 1:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Only about 3 games until she makes the 3000 pt club




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PostPosted: 01/08/17 8:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

39 tonight!



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PostPosted: 01/08/17 9:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
39 tonight!


If my math is right, only 29 pts away from the 3000 pt club. I wonder if ESPN will pick up the next game?



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PostPosted: 01/08/17 9:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

At this rate she should surpass jackie around 14 games from now.



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PostPosted: 01/09/17 1:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It looks like she will be chasing the people on the list Shades posted sooner rather than later.

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15   28.2
16   26.4
17   24.9
18   23.5
19   22.3
20   21.2
21   20.1
22   19.2
23   18.4


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PostPosted: 01/09/17 9:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Could a Plum/EDD duo in Washington finally push that team into elite status?


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PostPosted: 01/09/17 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SDHoops wrote:
Don't get too caught up in the college hype.


Ahhh, why not!? It's what we fans DO over the long winter season. Cool Plum is Plum....a scorer. Numbers are really quite moot, no? They certainly didn't guarantee Stiles a marvelous career. Just as Kelsey is much improved over her freshman year, she will also grow in the pro ranks.

No-Defense Banham made a roster. LaToya Thomas was a #1 pick. Delle Donne has made MVP, from the #2 pick, over the Game-Changer #1 pick, Griner. Becky Hammon was a relative unknown, now a Hall-of-Famer for certain.

There are so many layers that factor into making a star, but Plum certainly has all the right ingredients, imo.



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If Plum does reach #1, wouldn't it something if Kelsey Mitchell decided to stay her senior year and reached #1 the very next year?

Mitchell is at 2189 career points right now with about 50 games remaining and she has averaged 25.2 ppg career. If she maintains that average that would put her a touch over 3400 pts. The record has stood for 15 years, and now it could be broken in successive years.



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Shades wrote:
If Plum does reach #1, wouldn't it something if Kelsey Mitchell decided to stay her senior year and reached #1 the very next year?

Mitchell is at 2189 career points right with about 50 games remaining and she has averaged 25.2 ppg career. If she maintains that average that would put her a touch over 3400 pts. The record has stood for 15 years, and now it could be broken in successive years.


Is Mitchell ahead of or behind Plum's pace?

How many points did Plum have at this point in her season last year?


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The easiest thing to compare is the points through the sophomore years

Plum had 1458 pts in 67 games
Mitchell had 1762 pts in 69 games

But Plum has been a terror in her junior and senior years, while Mitchell has been a couple points below her career average this year... maybe because McGuff wants to take more of a team game approach? Mitchell is down 3 mpg from last season but her overall shooting % is slightly better than it's ever been. If it's Mitchell's goal to reach #1 in career points, I'm pretty sure she can do it.



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PostPosted: 01/09/17 5:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My guess is up in the middle somewhere. I watched her yesterday for the first time since the FF last year, against a team with some experience against her, and she really is all that. It is a bit different watching her and Osahor in a a Pac-12 game where the players and coaches know one another a little better.



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Plum, espnW's national player of the week, has scored 2,971 career points. Stiles finished her career at Southwest Missouri State (now Missouri State) with 3,393 points. With 13 regular-season games remaining and assuming the Huskies play at least two games in the Pac-12 tournament (reaching the semifinals) and three in the NCAA tournament (reaching the Sweet 16), Plum would need to average 23.5 points per game the rest of the season to catch Stiles. That seems pretty reasonable considering the 5-foot-8 senior, who earlier in the season became the top scorer in Pac-12 conference history, is averaging 30.7 points per game, which also happens to be an astonishing 5.5 points clear of the second-best Division I point producer this season (Old Dominion's Jennie Simms).


http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18434135/washington-huskies-kelsey-plum-espnw-player-week



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PostPosted: 01/13/17 11:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

36 pts tonight against Arizona.
That gives her 3007 for career.
11th place on the career list
29 pts to catch Maya
32 pts to catch EDD



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PostPosted: 01/14/17 12:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
Could a Plum/EDD duo in Washington finally push that team into elite status?


I'd like to see what kind of magic the Mystics would have to use to pull off getting both. Smile


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Updated averages needed:

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14   27.6
15   25.8
16   24.2
17   22.8
18   21.5
19   20.4
20   19.4
21   18.4
22   17.6


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PostPosted: 01/14/17 4:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
Updated averages needed:

Code:

14   27.6
15   25.8
16   24.2
17   22.8
18   21.5
19   20.4
20   19.4
21   18.4
22   17.6


Excluding an injury or illness, this is moving into "lock" territory, isn't it?


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The 14 represents the minimum number of games left for her.
According to the article I posted above, 17 games is the more likely minimum.

17 games at 22.8 ppg should be easy for her the way she's been playing.
Even at 14 games, 27.6 ppm is still below her season average.



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Shades wrote:
The 14 represents the minimum number of games left for her.
According to the article I posted above, 17 games is the more likely minimum.

17 games at 22.8 ppg should be easy for her the way she's been playing.
Even at 14 games, 27.6 ppm is still below her season average.


You might think it would diminish if more teams focus on trying to limit her. But even against a good team that admittedly focused their defense on trying to slow her down, she still got 22 against Notre Dame. So it's hard to imagine she wouldn't average at least 22-24 for the rest of the year.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Updated averages needed:

Code:

14   27.6
15   25.8
16   24.2
17   22.8
18   21.5
19   20.4
20   19.4
21   18.4
22   17.6


Excluding an injury or illness, this is moving into "lock" territory, isn't it?


I was only half paying attention last night because I've totally been taken down by the flu...but I cringed every time the announcers mentioned that she has never missed a game. Shocked Um, we play at ASU tomorrow. I have serious concerns that they are not going to want to let all of our players walk out of the arena.


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http://deadspin.com/washingtons-kelsey-plum-keeps-getting-buckets-huskies-1791214757

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Add 34 pts tonight. That gives her 3041 for her career, overtaking Maya and EDD. Next target, Banham.



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If you're going to pass people, might as well do it four at a time.

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13   27.2
14   25.2
15   23.5
16   22.1
17   20.8
18   19.6
19   18.6
20   17.7
21   16.8


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If she averages JUST 27 ppg the rest of the season she will end up with about 3,450-3500 NOT counting the tourney this could be a run awatly folks #JackieWho #PlumFlu



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no one will ever forget Jackie.....


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Jackie Stiles rooting for Washington star Kelsey Plum to break Stiles’ NCAA scoring record

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/jackie-stiles-rooting-for-washington-star-kelsey-plum-to-break-stiles-ncaa-scoring-record/

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“I had fun playing professional basketball and that’s a dream come true, but I would trade every contract to go back and play another four years of college basketball,” Stiles said. “I just want her to enjoy every second of this journey that she has left.



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Some people call it stat-padding, but I say it's a an honest attempt at making history.

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12   27.0   48.3   49.8
13   24.9   44.6   46.0
14   23.1   41.4   42.7
15   21.6   38.7   39.9
16   20.3   36.3   37.4
17   19.1   34.1   35.2
18   18.0   32.2   33.2
19   17.1   30.5   31.5
20   16.2   29.0   29.9


I was not going to add these until later, but someone mentioned it on the Boneyard, so I decided I needed to do it now. The first set of averages is the Stiles one as usual. The second one is for Woodard's pre-NCAA mark and the last one is Maravich's ridiculous three year record.

I suppose soon I will have to remove the last row too.


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3070, right? 23 pts from Banham?



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3070 + 24 today = 3094.


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Hoops9092 wrote:
3070 + 24 today = 3094.


Banham drops to #7. Plum owns #6



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