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PostPosted: 02/03/17 7:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

boom*NNEKA*nneka wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
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On the surface this seems like terrible news. Then you realize, it's just Marianna Tolo.


Exactly. This is a whole lotta "who cares news". She is soooo easily replaceable and the Sparks haven't lost anything here at all.


Hmm dont know about that. Tolo would be a solid defensive option off the bench which would allow Nneka Ogwumike some rest on the defensive end and not get in foul trouble so much..

We all saw that Agler only trusted Lavender off the bench. Her and Tolo would be a solid bench rotation IMO. Lavender for offensive purposes and Tolo focusses on the defensive end


Agreed. Tolo had a very solid season with the Sparks. She is solid to very good defender and an underrated passer from the high post. Her and Lavender worked very well together.

I would think that with Tolo out, this means Gruda is a near-lock to come back, although not sure how European qualifying play would affect her availability. I really hope that if she comes back, Agler uses her more. She can be very useful on both ends of the floor.

I just need to hear that Toliver is coming back!! I am checking my Twitter and this board multiple times throughout the day for updates, but nothing doing. She is so important to the team.


She averaged 5 ppg and 3 rpg in 2015. Not really irreplaceable stats.


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She averaged 5 ppg and 3 rpg in 2015. Not really irreplaceable stats.


Some people prefer the little things that role players bring as opposed to just looking at stats.



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Tolo seemed like a great fit in LA. I would have preferred her to Gruda.


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Has Carson re-signed or no? The Sparks Twitter account implied that she'd be back but I'm not seeing anything official.



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Has Carson re-signed or no? The Sparks Twitter account implied that she'd be back but I'm not seeing anything official.


Haven't seen anything official but Mo Currie's womensbasketball247 account has her signed with LA today.


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miller40 wrote:
boom*NNEKA*nneka wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
On the surface this seems like terrible news. Then you realize, it's just Marianna Tolo.


Exactly. This is a whole lotta "who cares news". She is soooo easily replaceable and the Sparks haven't lost anything here at all.


Hmm dont know about that. Tolo would be a solid defensive option off the bench which would allow Nneka Ogwumike some rest on the defensive end and not get in foul trouble so much..

We all saw that Agler only trusted Lavender off the bench. Her and Tolo would be a solid bench rotation IMO. Lavender for offensive purposes and Tolo focusses on the defensive end


Agreed. Tolo had a very solid season with the Sparks. She is solid to very good defender and an underrated passer from the high post. Her and Lavender worked very well together.

I would think that with Tolo out, this means Gruda is a near-lock to come back, although not sure how European qualifying play would affect her availability. I really hope that if she comes back, Agler uses her more. She can be very useful on both ends of the floor.

I just need to hear that Toliver is coming back!! I am checking my Twitter and this board multiple times throughout the day for updates, but nothing doing. She is so important to the team.


She averaged 5 ppg and 3 rpg in 2015. Not really irreplaceable stats.


Basketball is not all about offense. The Sparks have enough players that can provide scoring. A good defensive post is very usefull and Tolo could have provided that as she has shown that she can handle guarding the likes of Griner



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I wonder if the Sparks are going to keep or trade their #4 pick. Agler has absolutely no use for rookies so I expect him to trade the pick for a veteran player that will help his team now. Any trade ideas that would help the Sparks and would be worth a #4 pick?


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Michelle89 wrote:
miller40 wrote:
boom*NNEKA*nneka wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
On the surface this seems like terrible news. Then you realize, it's just Marianna Tolo.


Exactly. This is a whole lotta "who cares news". She is soooo easily replaceable and the Sparks haven't lost anything here at all.


Hmm dont know about that. Tolo would be a solid defensive option off the bench which would allow Nneka Ogwumike some rest on the defensive end and not get in foul trouble so much..

We all saw that Agler only trusted Lavender off the bench. Her and Tolo would be a solid bench rotation IMO. Lavender for offensive purposes and Tolo focusses on the defensive end


Agreed. Tolo had a very solid season with the Sparks. She is solid to very good defender and an underrated passer from the high post. Her and Lavender worked very well together.

I would think that with Tolo out, this means Gruda is a near-lock to come back, although not sure how European qualifying play would affect her availability. I really hope that if she comes back, Agler uses her more. She can be very useful on both ends of the floor.

I just need to hear that Toliver is coming back!! I am checking my Twitter and this board multiple times throughout the day for updates, but nothing doing. She is so important to the team.


She averaged 5 ppg and 3 rpg in 2015. Not really irreplaceable stats.


Basketball is not all about offense. The Sparks have enough players that can provide scoring. A good defensive post is very usefull and Tolo could have provided that as she has shown that she can handle guarding the likes of Griner


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I wonder if the Sparks are going to keep or trade their #4 pick. Agler has absolutely no use for rookies so I expect him to trade the pick for a veteran player that will help his team now. Any trade ideas that would help the Sparks and would be worth a #4 pick?

Typically Agler would obviously want vets, but importantly the #4 pick would only be earning about 50,000. On a team already stuffed with high-paid veterans, keeping a cheaper player who should at least be a vaguely serviceable backup might be the best option.



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If Toliver signs with washington,Gray would be one of the weaker defensive starting pg's in the league.I can see Penny/Agler offering the #4 to chicago for Vandersloot/Faulkner.Another possibility is Lavender & #4 to Dallas for Sims & #3 pick(Coates)




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I still find it interesting that NY felt a need to core Tanisha Wright. She's playing for the closest thing to her home city (born in NY, HS in Pittsburgh), the Liberty have been a top 3 team the last two years, and she's being offered max salary. You wouldn't think someone in that situation would need to be cored. The only places I can imagine her going are Seattle, where she spent most of her career, and LA to reunite with Agler and chase a championship. If Toliver does end up leaving, and LA could squeeze Wright under the cap, I think Agler would love to have her.



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PostPosted: 02/04/17 1:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If Toliver signs with washington,Gray would be one of the weaker defensive starting pg's in the league.I can see Penny/Agler offering the #4 to chicago for Vandersloot/Faulkner.Another possibility is Lavender & #4 to Dallas for Sims & #3 pick(Coates)


I think Gray is a better defender then Toliver tbh. She has the potential to turn into a decent defender who can guard both the PG or SG. They always had to hide Toliver on the weakest offensive player. Although she improved in the last season



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[quote="Michelle89"]
zune69 wrote:
If Toliver signs with washington,Gray would be one of the weaker defensive starting pg's in the league.I can see Penny/Agler offering the #4 to chicago for Vandersloot/Faulkner.Another possibility is Lavender & #4 to Dallas for Sims & #3 pick(Coates)


I think Gray is a better defender then Toliver tbh. She has the potential to turn into a decent defender who can guard both the PG or SG/quote]

Agreed on both points. She made some really nice defensive plays in the Finals in particular.



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Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
If Toliver signs with washington,Gray would be one of the weaker defensive starting pg's in the league.I can see Penny/Agler offering the #4 to chicago for Vandersloot/Faulkner.Another possibility is Lavender & #4 to Dallas for Sims & #3 pick(Coates)


I think Gray is a better defender then Toliver tbh. She has the potential to turn into a decent defender who can guard both the PG or SG. They always had to hide Toliver on the weakest offensive player. Although she improved in the last season


Lindsey Whalen has lost one to two steps.Gray does not have the footspeed nor lateral movement to stay in front of the faster/quicker pg's like D.Robinson,S.Diggins,Faulkner,Vandersloot etc.

Just to add on,at one point early in gm 5 of the finals,Agler screamed at his assistant coaches..."If she doesn't want to play,i'm gonna take her out of the game".....He was referring to Gray's poor defense.And if Gray is such a better defender than Toliver,why was she benched in gm 3 against chicago ? (only played 10 minutes)


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zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
If Toliver signs with washington,Gray would be one of the weaker defensive starting pg's in the league.I can see Penny/Agler offering the #4 to chicago for Vandersloot/Faulkner.Another possibility is Lavender & #4 to Dallas for Sims & #3 pick(Coates)


I think Gray is a better defender then Toliver tbh. She has the potential to turn into a decent defender who can guard both the PG or SG. They always had to hide Toliver on the weakest offensive player. Although she improved in the last season


Lindsey Whalen has lost one to two steps.Gray does not have the footspeed nor lateral movement to stay in front of the faster/quicker pg's like D.Robinson,S.Diggins,Faulkner,Vandersloot etc.

Just to add on,at one point early in gm 5 of the finals where Agler screamed at his assistant coaches..."If she doesn't want to play,i'm gonna take her out of the game".....He was referring to Gray and her poor defense.And if Gray is such a better defender than Toliver,why was she benched in gm 3 against chicago ? (only played 10 minutes)


Because she is a young player that has enough to learn still. Agler will always bench young players that make mistake 10 times earlier then veteran players...Trust me ive seen it enough with the Storm.
So comparing her minutes or her benching with Toliver doesnt prove anything.

Toliver cant defend Drob Diggins Faulkner Sloot either so her leaving doesnt all of a sudden turn their PG spot into the one of the weakest.
At this point they are both in the Whalen Bird weaker defenders PG category IMO. But i think when Gray gets in better shape she has the potential to turn into a decent defender that can guard the PG or SG



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Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
If Toliver signs with washington,Gray would be one of the weaker defensive starting pg's in the league.I can see Penny/Agler offering the #4 to chicago for Vandersloot/Faulkner.Another possibility is Lavender & #4 to Dallas for Sims & #3 pick(Coates)


I think Gray is a better defender then Toliver tbh. She has the potential to turn into a decent defender who can guard both the PG or SG. They always had to hide Toliver on the weakest offensive player. Although she improved in the last season


Lindsey Whalen has lost one to two steps.Gray does not have the footspeed nor lateral movement to stay in front of the faster/quicker pg's like D.Robinson,S.Diggins,Faulkner,Vandersloot etc.

Just to add on,at one point early in gm 5 of the finals where Agler screamed at his assistant coaches..."If she doesn't want to play,i'm gonna take her out of the game".....He was referring to Gray and her poor defense.And if Gray is such a better defender than Toliver,why was she benched in gm 3 against chicago ? (only played 10 minutes)


Because she is a young player that has enough to learn still. Agler will always bench young players that make mistake 10 times earlier then veteran players...Trust me ive seen it enough with the Storm.
So comparing her minutes or her benching with Toliver doesnt prove anything.

Toliver cant defend Drob Diggins Faulkner Sloot either so her leaving doesnt all of a sudden turn their PG spot into the one of the weakest.
At this point they are both in the Whalen Bird weaker defenders PG category IMO. But i think when Gray gets in better shape she has the potential to turn into a decent defender that can guard the PG or SG


You just validated my concern about the sparks pg situation if Toliver chooses to sign with washington

"But i think when Gray gets in better shape she has the potential to turn into a decent defender that can guard the PG or SG"

"Because she is a young player that has enough to learn still. Agler will always bench young players that make mistake 10 times earlier then veteran players"

Is Gray ready to be the sparks starting pg ?.......LA needs PG insurance(T.Wright,T.Johnson)


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If Toliver is going because of cap issues then they cant afford T Wright either. Tameka Johnson was a ball hog and is an even weaker defender then Toliver and Gray



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Toliver's a poor defender. Even if you think Gray's bad, it's just replacing a different kind of bad.



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Richyyy wrote:
Toliver's a poor defender. Even if you think Gray's bad, it's just replacing a different kind of bad.


But Toliver is a career 45%/40%/88% shooter.She also had a 2.71 asst/to ratio(best on the team)

You guys are really underrating the importance of Toliver.By the way,who's going to replace Gray as the backup point guard ?


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zune69 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Toliver's a poor defender. Even if you think Gray's bad, it's just replacing a different kind of bad.


But Toliver is a career 45%/40%/88% shooter.She also had a 2.71 asst/to ratio(best on the team)

You guys are really underrating the importance of Toliver.

Really not. You're the one making a point of Gray's defense, entirely separate of the offense. We're pointing out that the defensive drop-off really isn't anything like as significant as you're suggesting.



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If Toliver is going because of cap issues then they cant afford T Wright either.


We don't know that cap space is actually the problem. Everything is speculation. If you think a player is worth it, cap space can be created by cutting bench players and carrying 11 or even 10. Just as likely, it could be Toliver who wants to move on. People assume that winning a championship makes everything alright, but maybe not. We don't know what else is going on behind the scenes.



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If Toliver is going because of cap issues then they cant afford T Wright either.


We don't know that cap space is actually the problem. Everything is speculation. If you think a player is worth it, cap space can be created by cutting bench players and carrying 11 or even 10. Just as likely, it could be Toliver who wants to move on. People assume that winning a championship makes everything alright, but maybe not. We don't know what else is going on behind the scenes.


Yes we dont know anything. We dont even know if she is actually leaving



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Richyyy wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Toliver's a poor defender. Even if you think Gray's bad, it's just replacing a different kind of bad.


But Toliver is a career 45%/40%/88% shooter.She also had a 2.71 asst/to ratio(best on the team)

You guys are really underrating the importance of Toliver.

Really not. You're the one making a point of Gray's defense, entirely separate of the offense. We're pointing out that the defensive drop-off really isn't anything like as significant as you're suggesting.


Kristi has improved her defense every season since coming to the sparks.To say "Toliver is a poor defender" is not giving her credit for the hard work she's put in to become an above average wnba defender.Toliver can guard pg's better than Gray.However,due to her lack of height,Kristi is overmatched at the sg position.Gray might be a more versatile defender,but Toliver is a better on ball defender.Go back and watch games 1 & 2 of the sky series.Faulkner ran circles around Gray.




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If you think she's an above average defender then that's fine. We cant agree on everything Surprised Wink

But i agree with you that if Toliver goes to another team it will be a very big loss for the Sparks



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If you think she's an above average defender then that's fine. We cant agree on everything Surprised Wink

But i agree with you that if Toliver goes to another team it will be a very big loss for the Sparks


No loss imo. Kristi is gone to the Mystics. But LA has Gray who was excellent last year, they also have Riquna Williams who is better than Toliver plus the #4 draft pick. They are actually going to be a better team than last year as long as everyone stays healthy.


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No loss imo. Kristi is gone to the Mystics. But LA has Gray who was excellent last year, they also have Riquna Williams who is better than Toliver plus the #4 draft pick. They are actually going to be a better team than last year as long as everyone stays healthy.


Wow...are you serious ? ............Williams is a ball dominate shoot first guard.

How many games before sparks fans are screaming...."Pass Nneka the gotdamn basketball"




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Ay Mate wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If you think she's an above average defender then that's fine. We cant agree on everything Surprised Wink

But i agree with you that if Toliver goes to another team it will be a very big loss for the Sparks


No loss imo. Kristi is gone to the Mystics. But LA has Gray who was excellent last year, they also have Riquna Williams who is better than Toliver plus the #4 draft pick. They are actually going to be a better team than last year as long as everyone stays healthy.


Laughing Williams wasnt even better then Toliver before her big injury let alone now... Her career best from the field is 40,6 %. Thats like Tolivers average from 3point range Laughing She is a streaky high volume shooter that is best served as a 6th or 7th player off the bench to provide some scoring.

Toliver is shooting 45% from the field and 40% from behind the arc for her career. Let that just sink in for a minute..



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zune69 wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:

No loss imo. Kristi is gone to the Mystics. But LA has Gray who was excellent last year, they also have Riquna Williams who is better than Toliver plus the #4 draft pick. They are actually going to be a better team than last year as long as everyone stays healthy.


Wow...are you serious ? ............Williams is a ball dominate shoot first guard.

How many games before sparks fans are screaming...."Pass Nneka the gotdamn basketball"


I highly doubt that Williams will start. Gray did a great job last season playing point guard. Williams is better suited for the two guard because of her scoring ability which I why I see Agler using her off the bench.


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Ay Mate wrote:

No loss imo. Kristi is gone to the Mystics. But LA has Gray who was excellent last year, they also have Riquna Williams who is better than Toliver plus the #4 draft pick. They are actually going to be a better team than last year as long as everyone stays healthy.


Wow...are you serious ? ............Williams is a ball dominate shoot first guard.

How many games before sparks fans are screaming...."Pass Nneka the gotdamn basketball"


I highly doubt that Williams will start. Gray did a great job last season playing point guard. Williams is better suited for the two guard because of her scoring ability which I why I see Agler using her off the bench.


Lets just hope Williams understands that she's not the #1 option.Forcing up bad shots will land her in Agler's doghouse.


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My projected roster if Mitchell and DeShields declare and DAL takes Coates with #3:

DeShields picked #1 or #2
Gray/(One of Mitchell or Plum)
Carson/RWilliams
Beard/Dabovic
NOgwumike/Gruda
Parker/Lavender


Plum and Mitchell picked #1 and #2
Gray/Dabovic
Carson/RWilliams
Beard/DeShields
NOgwumike/Gruda
Parker/Lavender

I just went by Sparks roster designation for placing Parker at center. She's definitely a center on defense.... center of opposing team's offensive attention.

That's the fairly solid ten (a little shaky on Gruda). The rest would be filler from most likely foreign sources.



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I'm not gonna write Williams off completely.Betty Lennox had a reputation as a high voume low assist player.Yet,Anne Donovan was able to integrate Betty's individual talents into seattle's offensive system.Betty's two best fg% seasons was with seattle.She even won finals MVP.Williams was a big factor off the bench for Tulsa in 2015.On the positive side,Riquna had the best"Per".However,she also had a 26.9 usage rate.In fact,Williams has a career usage rate of 28.5.By comparison,Toliver's usage rate in 2016 was only 18.6,and has a career usage rate of 21.6.Williams will need to curtail her game and find a happy medium.

Edit:Lennox won finals MVP under Donovan,not Agler(correction made)




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Shades wrote:
My projected roster if Mitchell and DeShields declare and DAL takes Coates with #3:

DeShields picked #1 or #2
Gray/(One of Mitchell or Plum)
Carson/RWilliams
Beard/Dabovic
NOgwumike/Gruda
Parker/Lavender


Plum and Mitchell picked #1 and #2
Gray/Dabovic
Carson/RWilliams
Beard/DeShields
NOgwumike/Gruda
Parker/Lavender

I just went by Sparks roster designation for placing Parker at center. She's definitely a center on defense.... center of opposing team's offensive attention.

That's the fairly solid ten (a little shaky on Gruda). The rest would be filler from most likely foreign sources.


I guess the Lynx didn't give her enough offensive attention in the Finals.


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PostPosted: 02/07/17 10:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A day has passed and I am still "Big Mopey" about losing my favorite Spark player.


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PostPosted: 02/07/17 10:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jewelsongs wrote:
A day has passed and I am still "Big Mopey" about losing my favorite Spark player.


You still have "Big Mopey". You're just losing "Lil Mopey" with a chance to add "Mid Mopey".



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 11:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Betty Lennox had a reputation as a high voume low assist player.Yet,Agler was able to integrate Betty's individual talents into seattle's offensive system.Betty's two best fg% seasons was with seattle.She even won finals MVP.


Agler was not able to do anything with Betty Lennox. She hates him, saying "Brian Agler to me is a liar and a con artist" when he shipped her out of Minnesota. She left Seattle as soon as he was named coach there. She won Finals MVP under Anne Donovan.



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 11:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Betty Lennox had a reputation as a high voume low assist player.Yet,Agler was able to integrate Betty's individual talents into seattle's offensive system.Betty's two best fg% seasons was with seattle.She even won finals MVP.


Agler was not able to do anything with Betty Lennox. She hates him, saying "Brian Agler to me is a liar and a con artist" when he shipped her out of Minnesota. She left Seattle as soon as he was named coach there. She won Finals MVP under Anne Donovan.


Same team,different coach.Thanks for the correction.

If Agler traded Lennox,maybe he'll trade Williams.LA acquired Riquna before the Gray and Carson acquisitions.If Riquna didn't go down with a injury,would Carson have signed a contract with the sparks ?




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PostPosted: 02/07/17 11:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
jewelsongs wrote:
A day has passed and I am still "Big Mopey" about losing my favorite Spark player.


You still have "Big Mopey". You're just losing "Lil Mopey" with a chance to add "Mid Mopey".


This made me smile, but still doesn't cheer me up. Thanks for trying!


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PostPosted: 02/07/17 11:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'd hate to have Williams running the offense. I'd throw what I could at Mitchell and see if she would be willing to come to LA. Maybe offer Monica Wright, or wait in Schimmel to be waived. SWK is the best fit and best bet for replacing Beard in the future at #4



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 1:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jewelsongs wrote:
Shades wrote:
jewelsongs wrote:
A day has passed and I am still "Big Mopey" about losing my favorite Spark player.


You still have "Big Mopey". You're just losing "Lil Mopey" with a chance to add "Mid Mopey".


This made me smile, but still doesn't cheer me up. Thanks for trying!


Hopefully, Chelsea can pick up for Kristi as one of our premier downtown threats. She has a nice rainbow arc on her trey attempts that is very reminiscent of Tina Thompson's moon balls. Chelsea didn't shoot as many treys as she has in the past, including college, but she has potential there.

If Ana Dabovic is still going to be around, she has also shown the knack of nailing timely treys as she did in 2015.



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 3:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Still in withdrawal over Toliver leaving. Yes, I'm happy for her and she had every right to leave, but still sad. She was so critical to our success last year, and saw her improve year after year. I will use Rebkells to start my therapy.

Toliver is a big loss, but we have personnel ready to step up. Our depth chart should look like:

PG: Gray
SG: Beard/Williams
SF: Carson/Dabovic
PF: Ogwumike/Lavender
C: Parker/Gruda

I would not mind having Belyakova back. She was injured and didn't play much, but she is a vet, which our coach likes and is a good defender. I hope that Agler gives Dabovic a little more slack as she plays great when she is given some latitude, but is completely ineffective with too many restrictions. Her defense is pretty bad, but if she can make plays on the other end, then it would offset somewhat.

I think getting a backup PG is necessary, and possibly one more big, and then the roster is good to go.

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PostPosted: 02/07/17 5:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Counting on Gruda to show up seems a little overconfident. She's played one-and-a-bit WNBA seasons in the last six, and it's a EuroBasket Women year.

Y'know, even ignoring how useless and disinterested she's looked in recent WNBA appearances.



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 6:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
pilight wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Betty Lennox had a reputation as a high voume low assist player.Yet,Agler was able to integrate Betty's individual talents into seattle's offensive system.Betty's two best fg% seasons was with seattle.She even won finals MVP.


Agler was not able to do anything with Betty Lennox. She hates him, saying "Brian Agler to me is a liar and a con artist" when he shipped her out of Minnesota. She left Seattle as soon as he was named coach there. She won Finals MVP under Anne Donovan.


Same team,different coach.Thanks for the correction.

If Agler traded Lennox,maybe he'll trade Williams.LA acquired Riquna before the Gray and Carson acquisitions.If Riquna didn't go down with a injury,would Carson have signed a contract with the sparks ?





What's interesting is that Agler tried and failed to convert SG Betty Lennox into a PG in MIN, but Agler succeeded into turning SG Toliver into a PG... (Ross also tried to convert SG Toliver into a PG for ~2 years with some success). Shocked



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"As one of the nation's top point guards, Kristi is expected to do great things for us again this season. Few players have the natural stroke and court vision she has. She is able to see the floor, adapt quickly to changes in the defense and leads by example. She has a real knack for the game. Going into her senior year, Kristi has been working incredibly hard on and off the court to ensure it is as exciting and rewarding as her freshman year. I'm really excited to see how she's grown in the past three years, becoming a leader for our players both on and off the court."


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PostPosted: 02/07/17 7:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tiffany Jackson-Jones is back, now with Los Angeles. Awesome.



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 7:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Tiffany Jackson-Jones is back, now with Los Angeles. Awesome.

Very cool Smile

Interesting choice of team though.



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 7:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Carson is staying in LA. Cool


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Luuuc wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
Tiffany Jackson-Jones is back, now with Los Angeles. Awesome.

Very cool Smile

Interesting choice of team though.


It seems like a good fit to me. With Parker, Ogwumike and Lavender getting most of the minutes at the 4 and the 5 LA needs a veteran post who can come in, play hard 10-15 minutes a night without too much drop off. TJJ can do that, without the pressure or strain that comes playing more minutes for a struggling or up and coming team. Also LA doesn't need to worry about bringing Gruda or the other internationals they had last year who didn't seem to have Agler's trust anyway when it came to crunch time.


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PostPosted: 02/07/17 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This team is solid. Really didn't need Toliver to stay.

PG: Gray/#4 pick
SG: Beard/Williams/Dabovic
SF: Carson/Dubljevic
PF: Ogwumike/Jackson-Jones
C: Parker/Lavender



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PostPosted: 02/07/17 9:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
Tiffany Jackson-Jones is back, now with Los Angeles. Awesome.

Very cool Smile

Interesting choice of team though.


It seems like a good fit to me. With Parker, Ogwumike and Lavender getting most of the minutes at the 4 and the 5 LA needs a veteran post who can come in, play hard 10-15 minutes a night without too much drop off. TJJ can do that, without the pressure or strain that comes playing more minutes for a struggling or up and coming team. Also LA doesn't need to worry about bringing Gruda or the other internationals they had last year who didn't seem to have Agler's trust anyway when it came to crunch time.


I always think of her as being a 4, which seems like the last position that LA needs extra help at, and therefore maybe not the optimum use of salary space (cue the comments about that never irrelevant in LA ...), but I don't disagree that if they're going to sign another player to the front court she's a nice choice. Yeah, Gruda was thoroughly uninspiring last season. At least you know TJJ is going to bring effort. And can probably play some minutes at the 5 against some teams if needed.



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