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PostPosted: 07/17/19 10:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Well, I mean the same people that claim these women "hate America" are running around in hats that literally say "Make America Great Again", which by definition would mean they think America is currently "not great".


Sorry, this argumentative example fails because it is not au courant. Trump changed his slogan last month to "Keep America Great" and just had his first KAG rally tonight in North Carolina, where he continued to bash the patriotism and hate-mongering of the Odd Squad.

Omar's name was greeted with chants of "send her back." Which might actually happen if she indeed married her Somali brother to get him U.S. citizenship while she was already married to the father of her three children -- an immigration offense that could subject her to deportation -- at least according to Alpha News in Minnesota.
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PostPosted: 07/17/19 11:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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But for them, demanding the country "improve" to fit their desires is all fine and dandy, but when others seek to make it great in ways that don't conform to their views, well those people "hate" the country and should just leave...

So logic is obviously not their forte.


Logic is a function of intelligence, which is sorely lacking, from Don The Con on down to the lowest of the low deplorables.

I like what AOC said, tho....not rising to the bait. When you wrestle with pigs, you only get as filthy as they are. Laughing

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Sorry, this argumentative example fails because it is not au courant. Trump changed his slogan last month to "Keep America Great" and just had his first KAG rally tonight in North Carolina, where he continued to bash the patriotism and hate-mongering of the Odd Squad.

"hate-mongering" of the Odd Squad. That's rich! How are they "hate-mongering"? By calling out the Corporate Graft and Governmental corruption they see? Is it "hate-mongering" to raise the hue and cry of those destitute immigrants who are being mistreated when they've done nothing wrong? They are speaking Truth to Power, and Righteousness to Greed and Corruption.

The Good Ol' USA DOES have many, many flaws such as corporate and governmental corruption--no bright person with half a wit would believe the lies he perpetrates. A truly INTELLIGENT Patriot should decry these things. By contrast, someone like AOC is the far more genuine patriot that the Sheister that presumes to lead the country, while he himself is motivated by all his office will afford him. THEY are thinking of their constituents, HE is thinking of his selfish interests.



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 10:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/just-a-random-group-of-republicans-cnn-doesnt-tell-the-whole-story-about-a-trump-loving-panel/2019/07/17/6977617c-a8d5-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html?utm_term=.b9ce1d2b8ef0
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The seemingly random group of eight women were, in fact, members of an organized group dedicated to promoting Trump. The group calls itself the Trumpettes of America 2019 Palm Beach Team, although CNN and correspondent Randi Kaye didn’t mention anything about such a group. Nor did the anchors, including Anderson Cooper, who introduced Kaye’s report.

The network simply identified the panelists individually, with their names appearing on screen next to the word “Republican.” Kaye also gave no hint that the women knew one another and had a common cause.



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 10:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That is journalistically troubling. When a group is defined better by a more specific term, that term is what should be used.

If I brought in a bunch of Klan Members in hoods and just labeled them generic "Republicans" people would be rightfully pissed, because the fact that they all shared specific Klan ideology was more accurate than the larger general group membership.

Just like if I brought in just the socialist wing of the Democratic party and suggested they were a panel of "Democrats" it would be ethically shit. Using the general term in a panel like that suggests a wider cross-section of representation of the whole (or that they just grabbed completely random people who self-identified and they knew nothing else about).



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 1:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

that's not just journalistically troubling. that's fucked up. professionally, ethically indefensible. i sure hope heads roll, from the producing editor on down, whoever knew and didn't make that clear, even if it means losing anderson cooper, whom i adore. but first, full, public - very public, repeated ad nauseam, like every other news item - disclosure, clarification, explanation, apology, contrition.

i'd like to believe that cooper and the editors above him didn't know.



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 2:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

#IStandWithIlhan trends after crowd at Trump rally chants 'Send her back'









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PostPosted: 07/18/19 4:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The twitter response is most heartening.

Most if not all of you have seen these words floating around: they bear repeating here, imo, as they are Reagan's words of wisdom from the not-so-distant past:

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‘You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany, or Turkey or Japan, but you cannot become a German, a Turk or Japanese. But anyone, from any corner of the Earth, can come to live in America and become an American. Anybody from any corner of the world can come to America to live and become an American. We draw our people, our strength, from every country and every corner of the world.'



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 6:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's old news that Trump is a piece of shit human being. Several decades old.



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 6:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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It's old news that Trump is a piece of shit human being. Several decades old.

Haha, yeah, I wonder if there's anyone left on the planet who is thinking "Gee, this latest thing, this is too much. This is the last straw. I don't think I can support this guy anymore"



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 7:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trump is hateful enough to make sympathize with Ilhan Omar, a thoroughly dislikable person



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 7:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Trump is hateful enough to make sympathize with Ilhan Omar, a thoroughly dislikable person


Can you briefly explain why you think so? Thanks.



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 7:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Trump is hateful enough to make sympathize with Ilhan Omar, a thoroughly dislikable person


Do you know her?



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 9:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Let's separate Trump's attacks on the Odd Squad from the chanting last night, just for purposes of political analysis.

The Squad's radical socialism, antisemitism and anti-American rhetoric is disliked even among Congressional Democrats, including Pelosi. Her strategy has been to try to marginalize the "only four of them," so as to insulate her more moderate members from the Squad's losing message in the 2020 election. Trump's attacks have forced the Democrats to embrace the Squad, thereby smearing their radical socialist goo all over the Democrat party. Even CNN's David Axelrod admits this could be a winning strategy for Trump, and CNN Trump haters such as Jake Tapper are reporting a Trump win so far:

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"The President won this one," said another House Democratic lawmaker of the showdown. "What the President has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks, and the President has now identified the entire party with them."


As to the "send her back" chant at the rally, which I watched, this clearly came as surprise to Trump as he was talking about Omar's antisemitic screeds. He seems taken aback and says nothing. The whole chant lasted 12 seconds (I timed the video clip) and, based on the volume, seemed to be engaged in by small minority of the 8000 attendees in the packed house. The "USA" and "four more years" chants were much louder and more sustained.

The chant was unfortunate and unhelpful to Trump's politically astute attacks on the Squad, and Trump immediately knew it. In a very unusual move for him, Trump today disavowed the chant and said he'd stop it in the future.

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"I was not happy with it - I disagree with it," he told reporters in the White House Oval Office.


As a watcher of many Trump rallies in their entirety, the Omar chant was weak and transitory. The chants of "lock her up" and "CNN sucks" during the campaign were thunderous and could go on for five minutes.

I don't think any of this will affect much in the long run. Trump haters will still hate him no matter what he does or says, but most of the rest will likely still prefer him, warts and all, to any extremely progressive or socialist candidate.
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PostPosted: 07/18/19 9:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

"Anti-American". They should probably create a subcommittee to look into such activity.

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PostPosted: 07/18/19 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ohhh, what a smorgasbord of refutable hogwash! Razz
GlennMacGrady wrote:
The Squad's radical socialism, antisemitism and anti-American rhetoric is disliked even among Congressional Democrats, including Pelosi.

You typically present yourself so intelligently, but reverse it all with such pejoratives as "anti-Semitism" (presumably aimed at Omar).
Semite: n., a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
Omar is DEFINITELY not pro-Israel, but that doesn't make her "anti-Semitic". I agree with her: Israel has FAR too much influence/sway on our American politics and resources. Just because it's largely populated by Semites doesn't mean she or I are anti-Semitic.

"Anti-American" rhetoric? Give some examples of that please. Calling out corruption, pointing out flaws in our democracy do not qualify as "Anti-American".
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"The President won this one," said another House Democratic lawmaker of the showdown. "What the President has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks, and the President has now identified the entire party with them."

That's one opinion on it all. I think political strategists and advisors are manipulating things quite to the Dem advantage: by putting The Squad 'out there' as the red herrings, they: 1. get Donald-Ever-The-Bait-Grabber to further reveal his racism and 2. make the eventual Dem Pres Nominee look appealingly Centrist by contrast, whether it's Bernie or Kamala, Liz or Corey, etc.
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As to the "send her back" chant at the rally, which I watched, this clearly came as surprise to Trump as he was talking about Omar's antisemitic screeds. He seems taken aback and says nothing. The whole chant lasted 12 seconds (I timed the video clip)

And again--he lied about it. He went on record today as saying, "I started speaking very quickly to move on...." when, if you see the tape, he quite deliberately was quiet as it went on. NOTHING to quell it. (why are you so passively uncaring about his repeated, chronic lying?)
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I don't think any of this will affect much in the long run. Trump haters will still hate him no matter what he does or says, but most of the rest will likely still prefer him, warts and all, to any extremely progressive or socialist candidate.

Now, THAT may be the truest thing you've written: people who prefer delusion and hucksterism will not be swayed. I'd say *warts* hardly does justice to the flaws of this man who is so eminently NOT qualified to lead a nation.



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 10:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Antisemitic, anti-Jew, anti-Israel . . . take your pick . . . most everyone, of any party, who has paid attention to Omar's campaign and performance so far can do little but conclude that she has used the most hostile rhetoric and tweets against Jews and the Jewish state of any member of Congress in recent memory, except possibly Tlaib. Pelosi was said to be seriously considering sanctioning both, because Jewish politicians and those with Jewish constituencies were very upset, but settled instead for some harsh words.

The anti-Israel BDS resolution that Omar and Tlaib are trying to introduce almost expressly analogizes Israel to Nazi Germany and essentially aims to dismantle Israel, one of America's closest allies in the world and the only bulwark against state-sponsored terrorism in the Middle East. That's not in America's interest, in the opinion of most rational people, and I thus have no semantic problem with calling it anti-American.
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Climate change is the single most existential threat facing Amerixa today, in fact, the UN has singled it out as being the single most existential threat to the world itself.

So rolling back environmental protection policies and failure to acknowledge man-made climate change is Anti-American. No, it's Anti-Human! Trump is against humanity!

Logical leaps with tenuous associations are fun.



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PostPosted: 07/18/19 11:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
Antisemitic, anti-Jew, anti-Israel . . . take your pick . . . most everyone, of any party, who has paid attention to Omar's campaign and performance so far can do little but conclude that she has used the most hostile rhetoric and tweets against Jews and the Jewish state of any member of Congress in recent memory, except possibly Tlaib. Pelosi was said to be seriously considering sanctioning both, because Jewish politicians and those with Jewish constituencies were very upset, but settled instead for some harsh words.


Lump and generalize all you want, that's a pretty poor explanation from someone who is typically word-wise. Anti-Semitism and Anti-Israeli policy are NOT equivalent. When that debacle was *fresh* I distinctly recall seeing more than one Jewish Advocacy leaders DEFENDING her right to call out US/Israeli relations as within her political right. And furthermore, if Jewish-American politicians can speak on behalf of their Semitic brethren in Israel, WHY CAN'T SHE SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HER ISLAMIST BRETHREN WHO ARE PERSECUTED AND MALIGNED BY ISRAELIS? Your Islamophobia is coming through nicely.

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The anti-Israel BDS resolution that Omar and Tlaib are trying to introduce almost expressly analogizes Israel to Nazi Germany and essentially aims to dismantle Israel, one of America's closest allies in the world and the only bulwark against state-sponsored terrorism in the Middle East. That's not in America's interest, in the opinion of most rational people, and I thus have no semantic problem with calling it anti-American.

Now, THERE'S a joke! Oh, they're "close", alright....via "The Benjamins", as Omar said. What exactly does Israel give US? Go live on the Gaza Strip for a year, Glenn, and see how terrorism can be part of Israel's repertoire.

Re: Criticizing allies? How about the ignorant spewing of Donald about LONGER-TIME Allies like UK or France? THAT'S Un-American, but you don't call that out, now do ya!?

You may not care for Islam or Muslims, but it and they ARE a legitimate part of our country's fabric. Think what you will of her rhetoric. I'd rather listen to her all day long, than hear the rhetoric of your man, whose coded racism you so blatantly defend.



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justintyme wrote:
Climate change is the single most existential threat facing America today, in fact, the UN has singled it out as being the single most existential threat to the world itself.

So rolling back environmental protection policies and failure to acknowledge man-made climate change is Anti-American. No, it's Anti-Human! Trump is against humanity!


I’m surprised to hear this coming from you since I would consider you a “climate delayer”.

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In what world do we think that any of the policies that Sanders is running on will be able to be enacted even if he actually managed to get elected in the general election, which seeing how he just blew the whole Venezuela thing is going to be tough.

But the country as a whole didn't suddenly just wake up and not have a Republican Senate and a moderate House. Medicare-for-All, Green New Deal, Free College for All, these policies are all DOA right now (and for the foreseeable future).



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Did something change about the realities of the make-up of Washington DC? Do the Democrats suddenly have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate that will allow them to move on their agenda without compromise? Did the House suddenly stop being dominated by moderates that wouldn't be on board with a far-left agenda?

Are these things likely to change in 2020, no matter who is the president, considering a difficult Senate map means the Democrats are going to have to get exceptionally lucky to even come close to winning a majority?

I've stated multiple times that my personal politics are more Warren-eque than anything else, but that I would happily vote for someone that can actually get something accomplished at all. That winning small battles and getting yourself closer to the world you would like to see is better than pissing in the wind trying to fight for the massive changes that just aren't going to happen right now.



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PostPosted: 07/19/19 12:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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"Anti-American". They should probably create a subcommittee to look into such activity.


No, that's only happened for "Un-American" activity.

Advocating for change in America is one thing; spewing vulgar disrespect and hostility toward America is another. Advocating to change the President is one thing; spewing vulgar disrespect and hostility toward the President is another. The common folk are not fools; they can tell the difference between these things.
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PostPosted: 07/19/19 8:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah, vulgar disrespect and hostility should only come from the president...



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I think there is a brainwashing so entrenched in many 70-something, formerly-educated white males, that there is no possible path to their enlightenment re: US malfeasance. Even in their minds, the dopey, 5th-grade, "hard hat" slogan of "Love It Or Leave It" speaks to/for them.



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Advocating to change the President is one thing; spewing vulgar disrespect and hostility toward the President is another. The common folk are not fools; they can tell the difference between these things.

Absolutely.

Lemme see: "He's not a US citizen, he's Kenyan." Or, "Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Maybe he's MUSLIM!!"

These were the things the ever-so-bright "common folk" used to generate real hatred toward our last real president, while Donald led the spewing of vulgar disrespect.

Now where's the "vulgar" part toward HIM? Calling him a pussy grabber? He IS--his own words labeled him. What other vulgarities can you think of?



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