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PostPosted: 06/08/17 7:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Sky sign Shayla Cooper.

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So they re-signed the player that they previously cut a week before it was necessary? That makes total sense and Amber Stocks clearly knows exactly what she's doing.


You have to appreciate the end game here. The purpose of the 2017 season is to tank for the 2018 lottery. That is how Stocks got the job. During the interview process Alter told the candidates that they had to tank this season. None of the experienced coaches wanted anything to do with a tank job. Stocks was the only that said yes she would tank. Alter hired her on the spot. Twisted Evil



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You tank to acquire and improve your young talent for the future. If that was the case, you don't screw up the #9 pick, or ignore Copper in favour of older players, or give Cappie all the PG minutes while Epps twiddles her thumbs on the bench. If this is an intentional tank job, the only part of it they're doing well is the losing. There are meant to be other positives to seasons where winning isn't a priority.

(and yes, I'm aware you were mostly tongue-in-cheek. But this is a shambles, whatever angle you come at it from)



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You tank to acquire and improve your young talent for the future. If that was the case, you don't screw up the #9 pick, or ignore Copper in favour of older players, or give Cappie all the PG minutes while Epps twiddles her thumbs on the bench. If this is an intentional tank job, the only part of it they're doing well is the losing. There are meant to be other positives to seasons where winning isn't a priority.


Yes, to all of this. They're still in win-now mode, yet have been the second-worst team in the league. That's all you need to know about the job Stocks has done so far.

And this tanking thing is fun and all, but I'm secretly preparing myself for her doing something stupid with the eventual lottery pick. Anyone want to talk me off that ledge?



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You tank to acquire and improve your young talent for the future. If that was the case, you don't screw up the #9 pick, or ignore Copper in favour of older players, or give Cappie all the PG minutes while Epps twiddles her thumbs on the bench. If this is an intentional tank job, the only part of it they're doing well is the losing. There are meant to be other positives to seasons where winning isn't a priority.


Yes, to all of this. They're still in win-now mode, yet have been the second-worst team in the league. That's all you need to know about the job Stocks has done so far.

And this tanking thing is fun and all, but I'm secretly preparing myself for her doing something stupid with the eventual lottery pick. Anyone want to talk me off that ledge?


Just become a full time Fever fan instead of a part time one? Laughing


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That would push me off the ledge for sure. The Fever have totally botched in the last few years getting rid of Zealous, Clarendon, Howard and Kizer and their No. 1 draft pick. It makes little sense for them to try to maintain their win now attitude when the team is growing old and tired before their eyes. If any team should be rebuilding it is the Fever.


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I know what the Sky should do. They should fire Stocks right now and hire coach S. Key.



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I know what the Sky should do. They should fire Stocks right now and hire coach S. Key.


It's a shame that Steven Key would be a more sensible option than Stocks.



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It was a very strange hiring of a person with limited experience for a big job. Maybe no one else wanted it. Or maybe this hire was a cost cutting move along the lines of the Mystics and Trudy Lacy.


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I know what the Sky should do. They should fire Stocks right now and hire coach S. Key.


It's a shame that Steven Key would be a more sensible option than Stocks.

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Randy wrote:
It was a very strange hiring of a person with limited experience for a big job. Maybe no one else wanted it. Or maybe this hire was a cost cutting move along the lines of the Mystics and Trudy Lacy.


Lacy and Stocks may have worked for lower salaries, but the Mystics probably cut more costs by eliminating the GM position from that point on, while Chicago has never had a separate GM position.

I think the Golden State Warriors have glamorized hiring inexperienced coaches with their two recent hires. Mark Jackson had never been a coach, and they had a big improvement during his tenure. Then they hired Steve Kerr, who had never been a coach, and they became the best team in the league. But the GM probably deserves most of the credit.


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It was a very strange hiring of a person with limited experience for a big job.


Every head coach has to be a first timer at some point. Having a long tenure as an assistant is no guarantee of success, as the Tulsa fans who lived through Gary Kloppenburg can attest. I wouldn't write off a coach after eight games. Cheryl Reeve started 2-9 in her first season in Minnesota, with plenty of Lynx fans calling for her head. Sandy Brondello's tenure as San Antonio head coach was an unmitigated disaster. They both turned out OK.



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Absolutely, coaches have a learning curve as well. For Chicago's sake I hope Stocks is learning on the job and improving. It's certainly possible.



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It was a very strange hiring of a person with limited experience for a big job.


Every head coach has to be a first timer at some point. Having a long tenure as an assistant is no guarantee of success, as the Tulsa fans who lived through Gary Kloppenburg can attest. I wouldn't write off a coach after eight games. Cheryl Reeve started 2-9 in her first season in Minnesota, with plenty of Lynx fans calling for her head. Sandy Brondello's tenure as San Antonio head coach was an unmitigated disaster. They both turned out OK.


I think it just goes to show that it's the players that really determine most of the results. You put Stocks in at Minnesota and she'd be "Coach of the Week". Give Reeve the talent that Tulsa had during Kloppenberg's tenure and she would not still be there and lionized.


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Randy wrote:
It was a very strange hiring of a person with limited experience for a big job.


Every head coach has to be a first timer at some point. Having a long tenure as an assistant is no guarantee of success, as the Tulsa fans who lived through Gary Kloppenburg can attest. I wouldn't write off a coach after eight games. Cheryl Reeve started 2-9 in her first season in Minnesota, with plenty of Lynx fans calling for her head. Sandy Brondello's tenure as San Antonio head coach was an unmitigated disaster. They both turned out OK.


I think it just goes to show that it's the players that really determine most of the results. You put Stocks in at Minnesota and she'd be "Coach of the Week". Give Reeve the talent that Tulsa had during Kloppenberg's tenure and she would not still be there and lionized.

I think most coaches will happily tell you that having talented players is the primary factor in winning. But that doesn't mean that one coach isn't better than another (although different coaches thrive in different situations - some maximise super-talented groups, some can get weak rosters to come together and be average, some do well in practice s but can't in-game manage to save their lives etc.)

I continue to be impressed with how Minnesota evolve their offense. The obvious element this year is the amount they're focussing on feeding Fowles and the things they've put in place to make that work. But they also run what look like sets they've run for years - then twist into something different. They haven't stood still and let other teams catch up to them. If Reeve took over San Antonio, would they still suck? Probably. But she's still doing a damn good job in Minnesota.



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tfan wrote:
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It was a very strange hiring of a person with limited experience for a big job.


Every head coach has to be a first timer at some point. Having a long tenure as an assistant is no guarantee of success, as the Tulsa fans who lived through Gary Kloppenburg can attest. I wouldn't write off a coach after eight games. Cheryl Reeve started 2-9 in her first season in Minnesota, with plenty of Lynx fans calling for her head. Sandy Brondello's tenure as San Antonio head coach was an unmitigated disaster. They both turned out OK.


I think it just goes to show that it's the players that really determine most of the results. You put Stocks in at Minnesota and she'd be "Coach of the Week". Give Reeve the talent that Tulsa had during Kloppenberg's tenure and she would not still be there and lionized.


A good coach can make a difference. How many years did the Sparks have Parker, Ogwumike, Lavender, Toliver, etc. without getting anywhere? All the talk was about their misaligned talent and how they couldn't get out of each other's way. Bring in Brian Agler and they are champions. OTOH, if you don't have the horses it doesn't matter how good you are with the whip. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota when he had Katie Smith and not much else.



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PostPosted: 06/09/17 2:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I know what the Sky should do. They should fire Stocks right now and hire coach S. Key.


It's a shame that Steven Key would be a more sensible option than Stocks.

Shocked move forward, not backward.


The Liberty fired and hired Big Bill. Wink



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pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:
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It was a very strange hiring of a person with limited experience for a big job.


Every head coach has to be a first timer at some point. Having a long tenure as an assistant is no guarantee of success, as the Tulsa fans who lived through Gary Kloppenburg can attest. I wouldn't write off a coach after eight games. Cheryl Reeve started 2-9 in her first season in Minnesota, with plenty of Lynx fans calling for her head. Sandy Brondello's tenure as San Antonio head coach was an unmitigated disaster. They both turned out OK.


I think it just goes to show that it's the players that really determine most of the results. You put Stocks in at Minnesota and she'd be "Coach of the Week". Give Reeve the talent that Tulsa had during Kloppenberg's tenure and she would not still be there and lionized.


A good coach can make a difference. How many years did the Sparks have Parker, Ogwumike, Lavender, Toliver, etc. without getting anywhere? All the talk was about their misaligned talent and how they couldn't get out of each other's way. Bring in Brian Agler and they are champions. OTOH, if you don't have the horses it doesn't matter how good you are with the whip. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota when he had Katie Smith and not much else.


Sure, coaches can make a difference. When I say that players are most of the formula I am not removing coaches from the equation.

Agler had a similar result to Carol Ross in 2015 - lost in the Conference Semi-Finals (Ross also got to the Western Conference finals one year). In 2016 Agler got two players that Carol Ross never had - Essence Carson starting at the 3 and Chelsea Gray backing up at point guard. Gray seemed to save their butts a time or two against Minnesota. Take those two away and Agler could have had "lost in the conference semi-finals" results again (although the playoff format changed).


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http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-womens-basketball/article158298004.html

So it appears that Coates won't play this season. Not a huge shocker. I know many have mentioned she could hold out and re-enter 2018. Personally, I'm not sure why on Earth one would do that, but anyways. If the Sky do stay near the bottom of the standings, would it be smart for them to sign Coates so that she can't hold out? I know it would be a useless signing but at some point, keep Coates' rights trumps keeping Harris, who will be gone next season anyways.

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or sign & trade her. Coates to Dallas for A. Powers?



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http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-womens-basketball/article158298004.html

So it appears that Coates won't play this season. Not a huge shocker. I know many have mentioned she could hold out and re-enter 2018. Personally, I'm not sure why on Earth one would do that, but anyways. If the Sky do stay near the bottom of the standings, would it be smart for them to sign Coates so that she can't hold out? I know it would be a useless signing but at some point, keep Coates' rights trumps keeping Harris, who will be gone next season anyways.

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Does the player have to consent to the signing ?



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or sign & trade her. Coates to Dallas for A. Powers?


Powers is not being traded for Coates , not happening . Kaela Davis for Coates would probably be the most you would get from us . Give up a player who has proven that she can play at this level for a player who hasnt even played one game seems kind of dumb. Contrary to the belief about the wings organization btw.



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It makes no sense for the Sky to trade a player who hasn't played yet after taking her at the #2.

I'm simply asking if we can sign her.



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It makes no sense for the Sky to trade a player who hasn't played yet after taking her at the #2.

I'm simply asking if we can sign her.


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Coates’ professional career is on hold, which probably means she won’t play in the current WNBA season, but it shouldn’t be long before she’s back on the court.

Staley said Coates is probably out for this season, which matches what Chicago Sky coach Amber Stock told The State in May. The Sky knew all along the injury may be severe enough that Coates would miss the entire year, but were clearly comfortable going forward, gambling that one year would pay off in a long career.

Staley said Coates is planning to play overseas in the fall.

The 6-foot-4 center still carried a sizable strawberry on her right ankle as she limped through the basketball offices, but the limp is actually a good thing, Staley said. Coates no longer needs a boot or crutch to get around.


If she's playing overseas, she can't reenter the draft, so they can wait until February to sign her. It's a little bit of a gamble if she changes her mind about playing overseas. Any reason why she wouldn't want to go to Chicago? Looks like they could use her from the looks of Boyette's disappointing season.



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If she plays overseas, she's with the Sky. I would then venture to say either Coates or Boyette gets traded before the draft.



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Shades wrote:
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It makes no sense for the Sky to trade a player who hasn't played yet after taking her at the #2.

I'm simply asking if we can sign her.


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Coates’ professional career is on hold, which probably means she won’t play in the current WNBA season, but it shouldn’t be long before she’s back on the court.

Staley said Coates is probably out for this season, which matches what Chicago Sky coach Amber Stock told The State in May. The Sky knew all along the injury may be severe enough that Coates would miss the entire year, but were clearly comfortable going forward, gambling that one year would pay off in a long career.

Staley said Coates is planning to play overseas in the fall.

The 6-foot-4 center still carried a sizable strawberry on her right ankle as she limped through the basketball offices, but the limp is actually a good thing, Staley said. Coates no longer needs a boot or crutch to get around.


If she's playing overseas, she can't reenter the draft, so they can wait until February to sign her. It's a little bit of a gamble if she changes her mind about playing overseas. Any reason why she wouldn't want to go to Chicago? Looks like they could use her from the looks of Boyette's disappointing season.


Ah, thanks. That answers my question!

I see no reason as to why Coates would want to hurt the Sky like that. They took her when she was injured. That would be some really bad karma...



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bullsky wrote:
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-womens-basketball/article158298004.html

So it appears that Coates won't play this season. Not a huge shocker. I know many have mentioned she could hold out and re-enter 2018. Personally, I'm not sure why on Earth one would do that, but anyways. If the Sky do stay near the bottom of the standings, would it be smart for them to sign Coates so that she can't hold out? I know it would be a useless signing but at some point, keep Coates' rights trumps keeping Harris, who will be gone next season anyways.

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Does the player have to consent to the signing ?


It's not a signing until the player signs



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I wonder if Chicago will admit that they made a mistake with letting Pokey Chatman go. With the players they have on the roster, there is no reason for their record to be this bad besides the coach. Even without Elena, they should be in the middle of the pack at least 6th or 7th.


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I agree.


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Pokey ain't all that great but Amber may be worse. I don't think a new coach is a bad idea, but maybe the one they picked was the bad idea. On the other hand, who knows, she may learn on the job. It was a bit hilarious today watching her randomly throw lineups out onto the floor.



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Pokey ain't all that great but Amber may be worse. I don't think a new coach is a bad idea, but maybe the one they picked was the bad idea. On the other hand, who knows, she may learn on the job. It was a bit hilarious today watching her randomly throw lineups out onto the floor.


It's been more than just today...



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Pokey ain't all that great but Amber may be worse. I don't think a new coach is a bad idea, but maybe the one they picked was the bad idea. On the other hand, who knows, she may learn on the job. It was a bit hilarious today watching her randomly throw lineups out onto the floor.


People that always demand that a coach should be fired never and I mean NEVER offer up a better candidate to be the new head coach. Laughing



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Pokey ain't all that great but Amber may be worse. I don't think a new coach is a bad idea, but maybe the one they picked was the bad idea. On the other hand, who knows, she may learn on the job. It was a bit hilarious today watching her randomly throw lineups out onto the floor.


People that always demand that a coach should be fired never and I mean NEVER offer up a better candidate to be the new head coach. Laughing


They had a better coach but they decided to go in a different direction. I am quite sure they had candidates with more experience.


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myrtle wrote:
Pokey ain't all that great but Amber may be worse. I don't think a new coach is a bad idea, but maybe the one they picked was the bad idea. On the other hand, who knows, she may learn on the job. It was a bit hilarious today watching her randomly throw lineups out onto the floor.


People that always demand that a coach should be fired never and I mean NEVER offer up a better candidate to be the new head coach. Laughing


They had a better coach but they decided to go in a different direction. I am quite sure they had candidates with more experience.


They did. Those candidates did not want to coach for them.



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Sky owner battling odds trying to develop successful WNBA model

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Epps in ‘rare air’ as WNBA rookie and working hard to stay there

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“I spent my 22nd birthday in Los Angeles, I’ve traveled to Minnesota, San Antonio, Texas; places I didn’t expect to be traveling at age 22,” Epps said.



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So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....



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So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's not playing this year. Started rehab about a month ago.



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So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's out for the season but has signed on to play overseas this winter. Sky will retain her rights. Curious what the Sky do with her. A trade is likely, but just a matter if it's her or Boyette that gets traded.



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So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's not playing this year. Started rehab about a month ago.


Shes still eligible to re-enter the draft ? or does her playing overseas void that notion ?



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 9:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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sigur3 wrote:
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So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's not playing this year. Started rehab about a month ago.


Shes still eligible to re-enter the draft ? or does her playing overseas void that notion ?


Her playing overseas has voided her re-entering the draft.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's out for the season but has signed on to play overseas this winter. Sky will retain her rights. Curious what the Sky do with her. A trade is likely, but just a matter if it's her or Boyette that gets traded.


Dream have 3 wings now (Hayes, Sykes and Holmes.) If Angel comes back that's 4. Trade say Holmes for Boyette?


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toad455 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's out for the season but has signed on to play overseas this winter. Sky will retain her rights. Curious what the Sky do with her. A trade is likely, but just a matter if it's her or Boyette that gets traded.


Dream have 3 wings now (Hayes, Sykes and Holmes.) If Angel comes back that's 4. Trade say Holmes for Boyette?


Im starting to believe if or When angel comes back she wont be suiting up for ATL. Shocked



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Angel to Chicago for Boyette & Faulkner?



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toad455 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's out for the season but has signed on to play overseas this winter. Sky will retain her rights. Curious what the Sky do with her. A trade is likely, but just a matter if it's her or Boyette that gets traded.


Dream have 3 wings now (Hayes, Sykes and Holmes.) If Angel comes back that's 4. Trade say Holmes for Boyette?


Just keep Holmes and draft Russell. You'll be way ahead of the game.



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 10:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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sigur3 wrote:
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So any word on coates ? Any updates ? Still kind of funky to me that she hasnt signed but her twitter indicates shes with the sky ....


She's not playing this year. Started rehab about a month ago.


Shes still eligible to re-enter the draft ? or does her playing overseas void that notion ?

Her playing overseas would remove that option. As far as I know she hasn't actually signed anything yet, plus she has to actually be healthy enough to play. It's still up in the air.

She would be the first person to ever exercise their right to re-enter the WNBA draft. But, as they say, there's a first time for everything.



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Angel to Chicago for Boyette & Faulkner?


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Her playing overseas would remove that option. As far as I know she hasn't actually signed anything yet, plus she has to actually be healthy enough to play. It's still up in the air.


Does she have to actually play to be ineligible or is just signing enough to do it?



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pilight wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Her playing overseas would remove that option. As far as I know she hasn't actually signed anything yet, plus she has to actually be healthy enough to play. It's still up in the air.


Does she have to actually play to be ineligible or is just signing enough to do it?


Sad to say im really starting to believe Coates re-Entering the draft could be the best situation for her to have a positive outcome. Chicago is just as messy as San Antonio



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