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PostPosted: 04/20/17 4:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Either that or I was hallucinating again.


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Latta left UNC after two years. Sydney Colson is another one that does it.


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PostPosted: 04/20/17 5:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
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So I'm thinking Kelsey Plum to Indiana -- and then I look at the Fever roster.

The only player under 30 that would seem to have any value would be Tiffany Mitchell, who can't shoot (36.1% overall and 29.4% from three) and had more turnovers than assists.

No wonder Stephanie White jumped ship ...


I love how people take one year in the league (and her rookie year, mind you) and make a blanket statement like "[she] can't shoot".


In her last year of college, Mitchell was 41.5% overall and 33.9% from three. She shot better when she was younger, but recently the ball isn't going in as much.

So maybe she'll revert to her previously more impressive form, and if so, she looks like a good player. But off the two most recent years of her career, her shooting has been suspect and if she can't consistently score from the perimeter, her ceiling is a lot lower.



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I wouldn't write off Motley's chances of making the team quite so quickly.


I've rarely been impressed with her when I've seen her, but maybe I've only seen her on bad days. She was a good value pick for where they took her, but that's as far as I'll go.



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PostPosted: 04/20/17 11:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I wouldn't write off Motley's chances of making the team quite so quickly.


I've rarely been impressed with her when I've seen her, but maybe I've only seen her on bad days. She was a good value pick for where they took her, but that's as far as I'll go.


Last year, I was more impressed than this year but haven't really seen a lot of their games.



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PostPosted: 04/21/17 9:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
ClayK wrote:
So I'm thinking Kelsey Plum to Indiana -- and then I look at the Fever roster.

The only player under 30 that would seem to have any value would be Tiffany Mitchell, who can't shoot (36.1% overall and 29.4% from three) and had more turnovers than assists.

No wonder Stephanie White jumped ship ...


I love how people take one year in the league (and her rookie year, mind you) and make a blanket statement like "[she] can't shoot".


In her last year of college, Mitchell was 41.5% overall and 33.9% from three. She shot better when she was younger, but recently the ball isn't going in as much.

So maybe she'll revert to her previously more impressive form, and if so, she looks like a good player. But off the two most recent years of her career, her shooting has been suspect and if she can't consistently score from the perimeter, her ceiling is a lot lower.


To me Mitchell is a poor version of Loyd and she is playing like Loyd did in the beginning for the Storm. Trying to do too much. Forcing jumpshots instead of playing by her strength and take it to the basket.
The Fever is not a good team for her now that Catchings is gone. She will have to do more of they want to win at all.
Similar to Shenise Johnson she needs time.



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PostPosted: 04/21/17 1:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

According to my Facebook feed, Maggie Lucan will miss the season to rehab her knee. Have to wonder if this is the end of the road for her.


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PostPosted: 04/21/17 2:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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According to my Facebook feed, Maggie Lucas will miss the season to rehab her knee. Have to wonder if this is the end of the road for her.


I guess that could open things for Motley.... or more hopefully Fitzgerald

I wonder if she counts against the cap.


This is my preferred no-Lucas lineup

January/Wheeler/Fitzgerald
Johnson/Mitchell
Coleman/Pohlen-Mavunga
Dupree/Peters/McCall
Larkins/Achonwa

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Bummer ... get well soon Maggie Lucas !!
Don't want to come back too soon, from a major knee. And hopefully good news after that.

She was killing it, right before she went down, and that was without B January setting the table.


Mitchell was playing well even with the unstable line-ups, early on. The rookie wall is kinda normal.


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Devereaux Peters is having hip surgery and will miss the 2017 season. Peters and the Fever are expected to reach a contract separation agreement, at which point she will be released by the team.



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Peters and Lucas both out for the season. You also have to figure Achonwa will be out a lot for her National Team. Indy can't catch a break. Looks like they are headed for the lottery.


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Peters and Lucas both out for the season. You also have to figure Achonwa will be out a lot for her National Team. Indy can't catch a break. Looks like they are headed for the lottery.


Canada is not in Europe. Is there an Americas Tournament happening this summer?

Looks like the Lynx got the best of SEA in the Monica Wright trade, and the best of IND in the Peters trade. I don't know if they're getting lucky or they're good. They weren't too good in the Sugar trade.


I guess IND might be hurting more than I thought.
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Indy with the #1 Pick in 2018 ? 17-17 in 2016 what would it take ? Maybe a 5-29 record ? #VeryPossible



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PostPosted: 04/21/17 3:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Randy wrote:
Peters and Lucas both out for the season. You also have to figure Achonwa will be out a lot for her National Team. Indy can't catch a break. Looks like they are headed for the lottery.


Canada is not in Europe. Is there an Americas Tournament happening this summer?



I figured since Hamblin was going to be taking the summer off to practice with her NT, Achonwa might also be out for a while. But, maybe she is already a lock.




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WNBA 09 wrote:
Indy with the #1 Pick in 2018 ? 17-17 in 2016 what would it take ? Maybe a 5-29 record ? #VeryPossible


I won't get my hopes up for that. We've been horrible before, never got the #1 pick before, even when we were an expansion team. Laughing


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Randy wrote:
Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Peters and Lucas both out for the season. You also have to figure Achonwa will be out a lot for her National Team. Indy can't catch a break. Looks like they are headed for the lottery.


Canada is not in Europe. Is there an Americas Tournament happening this summer?



I figured since Hamblin was going to be taking the summer off to practice with her NT, Achonwa might also be out for a while. But, maybe she is already a lock.


Was it a legit excuse for Hamblin, or did she see the writing on the wall? I had her getting bumped by Lewis. I know Achonwa is working out at the Fever facilities.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Indy with the #1 Pick in 2018 ? 17-17 in 2016 what would it take ? Maybe a 5-29 record ? #VeryPossible


Let's not get carried away. It's not like they're losing a starter.

And next year, I envision a trade for Bonner... for some reason.



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miller40 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Indy with the #1 Pick in 2018 ? 17-17 in 2016 what would it take ? Maybe a 5-29 record ? #VeryPossible


I won't get my hopes up for that. We've been horrible before, never got the #1 pick before, even when we were an expansion team. Laughing



awe thats right , they have never gotten the #1 pick maybe Lisa works some magic for this middle of the pack squad. They have always teetered the fence of being either a good team or just barely good enough .



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Indy would have to hope that the Stars are not in the lottery, or else it would be very hard to overcome the Stars 10 game headstart on losses. (17 v 27 in 2016).


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Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Peters and Lucas both out for the season. You also have to figure Achonwa will be out a lot for her National Team. Indy can't catch a break. Looks like they are headed for the lottery.


Canada is not in Europe. Is there an Americas Tournament happening this summer?


There is this:
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The Senior Women will compete in the FIBA Americas Women's Championship, to be held in Buenos Aires, Argentina from Aug. 7-13.


http://www.basketball.ca/en/team_programs/womens-team


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PostPosted: 04/21/17 9:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So maybe

January/Wheeler/Fittzgerald
T. Mitchell/Pohlen-Mavunga
Coleman/S. Johnson
Dupree/McCall/Colhando
Larkins/Achonwa


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Randy wrote:
Peters and Lucas both out for the season. You also have to figure Achonwa will be out a lot for her National Team. Indy can't catch a break. Looks like they are headed for the lottery.

Lol. Yeah because those players definitely would have propelled them to a playoff berth lol



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Jet Jaguar wrote:
Randy wrote:
Peters and Lucas both out for the season. You also have to figure Achonwa will be out a lot for her National Team. Indy can't catch a break. Looks like they are headed for the lottery.

Lol. Yeah because those players definitely would have propelled them to a playoff berth lol


I think are two playoff berths this year that teams will fall ass-backwards into, maybe even with a losing record. The margin might well be the difference between Peters and Lucas's experience, and their rookie replacements' lack thereof. Of course, it might not be the worst thing in the world for Indiana to have a better chance at a high pick in 2018.



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I think the Fever have 8 locks: January, Wheeler, Johnson, Mitchell, Coleman, Dupree, Larkins, Achonwa. Two more posts' spots will go between Colhado, McCall & McKinney. Two more guard/wing spots will go between Fitzgerald, Pohlen & R. Williams. I wouldn't lock in any of the Fever's rookie yet.



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Devereaux Peters is having hip surgery and will miss the 2017 season. Peters and the Fever are expected to reach a contract separation agreement, at which point she will be released by the team.


Is anyone else confused by this "contract separation agreement" which is a new term being thrown out there, rather than just suspending her for the season?



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The transactions page lists Peters as being waived. Was she under contract and they basically paid her off to be waived?



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Shades wrote:
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Devereaux Peters is having hip surgery and will miss the 2017 season. Peters and the Fever are expected to reach a contract separation agreement, at which point she will be released by the team.


Is anyone else confused by this "contract separation agreement" which is a new term being thrown out there, rather than just suspending her for the season?


They bought her out.

You can't suspend someone for getting injured.



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pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
Devereaux Peters is having hip surgery and will miss the 2017 season. Peters and the Fever are expected to reach a contract separation agreement, at which point she will be released by the team.


Is anyone else confused by this "contract separation agreement" which is a new term being thrown out there, rather than just suspending her for the season?


They bought her out.

You can't suspend someone for getting injured.


As far as I know you can suspend for them for getting injured overseas.
Why do think Miller is struggling with the Ogwumike decision?

Of course, Ogwumike is on the rookie contract which probably holds less guarantees than whatever Peters had.

I wish there some clarification. On her twitter she says she'll "be back and ready to go next season". Back with the Fever? Has she agreed not to sign with another team?



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You can't suspend someone for getting injured.

That used to be my refrain, but you essentially can these days. It's what Connecticut have been doing with Hightower, for example. Although exactly what you can do may depend on when the injury is supposed to have originated.

The 'contract separation agreement' is the same divorce agreement we've seen plenty of times before. If someone has guaranteed money and you want to waive them, you either have to swallow the whole balance of the contract or work out a buyout figure with the player. They worked out a buyout. Assuming Peters clears waivers, she'll be an unrestricted free agent.



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Could someone claim Peters and then suspend her for the season? Would she have to agree to this?



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Could someone claim Peters and then suspend her for the season? Would she have to agree to this?

As far as I understand the rules, 1) yes, and 2) no. But according to the .com's Transactions page, she was waived on the 21st. The length of time you have to claim players differs in the offseason, from what I remember, but I think it may well have passed by now. In which case no one claimed her and she's an unrestricted free agent.



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wondering how the Indy girls will do with such a different style of coach. I've never been impressed with Pokey's x's and o's, whereas that was where Dunn and White were good. Actually I've never been impressed with Pokey as a coach. So we shall see how she does with a whole new group.



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Thought all players are supposed to wear Adidas shoes and apparel unless they have separate shoe deal. All players are Nike? Haire? In NY we get fined by league fashion police.


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Thought all players are supposed to wear Adidas shoes and apparel unless they have separate shoe deal. All players are Nike? Haire? In NY we get fined by league fashion police.


If the Adidas contract (wear Adidas or cover up competing shoe logos) applies to practice,they had better call the league office. It could be that they both forgot about practice photos and videos when they wrote the contract. But if these players all intend to wear their Nikes covered up in the game (seems like you would want to have a consistent shoe), that really kills the value of a sneaker deal for Adidas.


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2017 WNBA Preview: Can Indiana Fever thrive without Tamika Catchings?

http://summitthoops.com/2017/04/30/dallas-wings-cut-kesley-lang-and-kalani-purcell/

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“Our team is really balanced,” January said. “We have people that are capable of filling it up every night.”


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“I felt like I lost it [an attack mentality] a little last year,” said January. “Being aggressive in transition, pushing the ball. I wasn’t really looking for my shot.”

Helping to soften the blow of losing Catchings will be Dupree. She’s not just an efficient scorer who’s averaged 14.7 points per game on 50.3 percent shooting in her 11-year career with Chicago and Phoenix. She’s also a leader who won the WNBA title with Phoenix in 2014.


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Through the draft, the Fever added forwards Erica McCall (Stanford) and Ronni Williams (Florida), and guards Feyonda Fitzgerald (Temple) and Adrienne Motley (Miami). McCall should fit in instantly as a tough, defensive-minded player.


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January said their biggest areas for improvement are cleaning up transition defense and rebounding, where they were at the bottom of the league last year. Chatman agrees and said she’s not going come in and change what’s worked in Indiana but rather focus on little areas where the Fever can get better.



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Fever waive Shanece McKinney.



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Fever waive Shanece McKinney.


Also waive Ronni Williams and Adrienne Motley.


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So now they're down to 14. Only two more cuts. Those will be the hardest.



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Fitzgerald is going to make the team she seems to be a favorite of pokey. Maculay & The tall short hair blonde chick seemed to be the most ineffective last night. Graves did well with 6 and 6 but still seemed lost at times



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Fitzgerald is going to make the team she seems to be a favorite of pokey. Maculay & The tall short hair blonde chick seemed to be the most ineffective last night. Graves did well with 6 and 6 but still seemed lost at times


I think the short hair blond is probably Colhado. Was with the Dream a while back, but didn't do much.


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Fever down to 14 players. Last cuts should be Colhado & Macaulay.

PG: January/Fitzgerald
SG: Mitchell/Wheeler/Pohlen
SF: Coleman/Johnson
PF: Dupree/McCall/Graves
C: Larkins/Achonwa



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Fever down to 14 players. Last cuts should be Colhado & Macaulay.

PG: January/Fitzgerald
SG: Mitchell/Wheeler/Pohlen
SF: Coleman/Johnson
PF: Dupree/McCall/Graves
C: Larkins/Achonwa


Forgot to mention wheeler got hurt last night dont know the extent happned right in front of me but i did not see it lol. Pokey had to come over. She did not return either...dont think it was too serious but the game had to be stopped for a few mintues in the 4th.



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Here's my Fever roster proposal from 4/15/17. This was before Lucas and Peters were ruled out for 2017

January/Wheeler/Fitzgerald
Johnson/Mitchell
Coleman/Lucas
Dupree/Peters/McCall
Larkins/Achonwa


So now it just becomes a simple matter of replacing Lucas with Pohlen

January/Wheeler/Fitzgerald
Johnson/Mitchell
Coleman/Pohlen-Mavunga
Dupree/McCall
Larkins/Achonwa

If it were me, I'd be keeping an eye on the waiver wire or FA list for somebody better than Pohlen, but the Fever organization probably feels some loyalty towards her.

If the Liberty were to cut LAllen, I could see where the Fever might replace Fitzgerald with Allen for the ND connection. But Pokey gets attached to her guards, and maybe she's attached to Fitzgerald after two weeks. Probably even calls her "Fitz".

I'm sorry, but I can't write Graves name down, and I though that Colhado would step up more than she showed considering how well she played in the off-season. If I'm the Fever, I'm definitely grabbing somebody from the waiver/FA list for that 5th post spot. Bulgak? A little Canadian connection with Achonwa, but I suppose that leaves them thin during the Americas Tournament if Bulgak is on the Canadian national team. Minnesota will be cutting somebody decent. Hamson's already out there. Fever should be popping tags.



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Looks like Graves will at least be on the roster for opening day. For defense, the Fever should look at picking up Hamson.



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Shades wrote:
Here's my Fever roster proposal from 4/15/17. This was before Lucas and Peters were ruled out for 2017

January/Wheeler/Fitzgerald
Johnson/Mitchell
Coleman/Lucas
Dupree/Peters/McCall
Larkins/Achonwa


So now it just becomes a simple matter of replacing Lucas with Pohlen

January/Wheeler/Fitzgerald
Johnson/Mitchell
Coleman/Pohlen-Muvanga
Dupree/McCall
Larkins/Achonwa

If it were me, I'd be keeping an eye on the waiver wire or FA list for somebody better than Pohlen, but the Fever organization probably feels some loyalty towards her.

If the Liberty were to cut LAllen, I could see where the Fever might replace Fitzgerald with Allen for the ND connection. But Pokey gets attached to her guards, and maybe she's attached to Fitzgerald after two weeks. Probably even calls her "Fitz".

I'm sorry, but I can't write Graves name down, and I though that Colhado would step up more than she showed considering how well she played in the off-season. If I'm the Fever, I'm definitely grabbing somebody from the waiver/FA list for that 5th post spot. Bulgak? A little Canadian connection with Achonwa, but I suppose that leaves them thin during the Americas Tournament if Bulgak is on the Canadian national team. Minnesota will be cutting somebody decent. Hamson's already out there. Fever should be popping tags.


This 100% true. I loved her freshmen yr at Tennessee but she failed to get better the way i thought she would.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Here's my Fever roster proposal from 4/15/17. This was before Lucas and Peters were ruled out for 2017

January/Wheeler/Fitzgerald
Johnson/Mitchell
Coleman/Lucas
Dupree/Peters/McCall
Larkins/Achonwa


So now it just becomes a simple matter of replacing Lucas with Pohlen

January/Wheeler/Fitzgerald
Johnson/Mitchell
Coleman/Pohlen-Muvanga
Dupree/McCall
Larkins/Achonwa

If it were me, I'd be keeping an eye on the waiver wire or FA list for somebody better than Pohlen, but the Fever organization probably feels some loyalty towards her.

If the Liberty were to cut LAllen, I could see where the Fever might replace Fitzgerald with Allen for the ND connection. But Pokey gets attached to her guards, and maybe she's attached to Fitzgerald after two weeks. Probably even calls her "Fitz".

I'm sorry, but I can't write Graves name down, and I though that Colhado would step up more than she showed considering how well she played in the off-season. If I'm the Fever, I'm definitely grabbing somebody from the waiver/FA list for that 5th post spot. Bulgak? A little Canadian connection with Achonwa, but I suppose that leaves them thin during the Americas Tournament if Bulgak is on the Canadian national team. Minnesota will be cutting somebody decent. Hamson's already out there. Fever should be popping tags.


This 100% true. I loved her freshmen yr at Tennessee but she failed to get better the way i thought she would.


Not her fault.


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