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PostPosted: 06/15/16 7:40 pm    ::: Angel McCoughtry calls for W to eliminate back-to-back games Reply Reply with quote

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The WNBA needs to get rid of back-to-backs, McCoughtry said. Its one of the toughest things Ive had to in my career. Players play too much and too long all year around.



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PostPosted: 06/15/16 7:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree. Very hard on the body.



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PostPosted: 06/15/16 8:22 pm    ::: Re: Angel McCoughtry calls for W to eliminate back-to-back g Reply Reply with quote

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The WNBA needs to get rid of back-to-backs, McCoughtry said. Its one of the toughest things Ive had to in my career. Players play too much and too long all year around.


should be in the next cba I agree...said this for a while



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Pretty sure everybody except the NFL has them, so that's going to be an uphill battle.



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Might not be possible in an Olympic year and I don't know how arena availability plays into it.

Also haven't read the article yet but simply put I agree. They've reduced back to backs this year but between the additional cross country trip with the new schedule and the commercial flights and the year-round play I think back-to-backs are really unfair to WNBA players.

Most of the back-to-backs being weekends, the league wants as many of those as possible too for attendance purposes. Weekend games that is. It's a tough situation.



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pilight wrote:
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/angel-mccoughtry-calls-for-wnba-to-eliminate-back-/nrg24/

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The WNBA needs to get rid of back-to-backs, McCoughtry said. Its one of the toughest things Ive had to in my career. Players play too much and too long all year around.



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PostPosted: 06/15/16 8:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

They could play on Mondays to relieve some of the compaction.

But don't players prefer playing over practice? I've heard that from at least one player that isn't that bothered by back-to-backs.



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Might not be possible in an Olympic year and I don't know how arena availability plays into it.

Also haven't read the article yet but simply put I agree. They've reduced back to backs this year but between the additional cross country trip with the new schedule and the commercial flights and the year-round play I think back-to-backs are really unfair to WNBA players.

Most of the back-to-backs being weekends, the league wants as many of those as possible too for attendance purposes. Weekend games that is. It's a tough situation.


Nobody has back-to-back home games and there's only one set of back-to-back days with more than six games (opening weekend). Move one of those opening weekend home dates and you could arrange the visiting teams so that there are no back-to-backs for the season.



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Pretty sure everybody except the NFL has them, so that's going to be an uphill battle.


The difference is that they get charters in those other leagues, arrive and can get 8 hours sleep in between.


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PostPosted: 06/15/16 9:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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They could play on Mondays to relieve some of the compaction.


I agree.


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PostPosted: 06/16/16 3:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I agree. Very hard on the body.

Especially when having to fly commercial.


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They could play on Mondays to relieve some of the compaction.


I agree.


Anyone know why there aren't any games on Mondays? They don't think their would be a good audience or fans in the seats?


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PostPosted: 06/16/16 9:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The back-to-back games exist in part to get more weekend games, which generate more income. So if players want to eliminate back-to-back games, they should then volunteer to get less money.

Of course that won't happen, and it's the same in the NBA and MLB and the NFL and NHL: Everyone (owners, players, etc.) agrees the seasons are too long but no one wants to make less money.

Or, to put it another way, everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.



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PostPosted: 06/16/16 10:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

10 years ago, I frequently debated Bill Laimbeer/ShockPR/Kevin Pelton/etc on whether back-to-back games have a negative impact on players and teams. It was of my opinion that it does.

In one thread, the discussion ended with this: Idea Arrow


ShockPR wrote:
Looking at the broader issue you raised of what athletes tell us about these kind of things, I would suggest that as much as those who play the games can tell us about "how" they play the game and "how they feel" when they play it, that they are far from the best people to actually analyze performance in these kind of situations. Noted baseball author and current Boston Red Sox front office big-wig Bill James called it not being able to see the forest for the trees.

I agree with you that it makes intuitive sense that the back end of a back to back should be more difficult, but how many athletes are saying it is tougher because they've honestly looked at it and can articulate what is different about the way they play in the back end, and how many are just parotting conventional wisdom that has been passed down from generatiom to generation.

I have heard basketball color commentators say on a number of occasions that three pointers get rebounded by the offensive team more often than two-pointers do. Studies I have read indicate that this is not true, but it doesn't stop them from saying it.

Getting back to the back-to-backs, it may be that we aren't giving these world-class athletes the credit they deserve for being in incredible shape and having the ability to bounce back given the rigors of playing, practicing and treveling

Perhaps when teams are winning the first game of a back-to-back by a decent margin, coaches tend to rest players more than they otherwise would to save them for that second game. Perhaps players in that first game don't run full throttle Tamika Catchings style throughtout the game taking more breaks than they otherwise would.

The thing to do is ask the question, 'if it is true that the back-end of a back-to-back is tougher on players, and that difficulty impacts the performance of players playing in those games, how would we know?'

Statistically, we would expect teams to lose more back-ends than they would if the game was a random single game on the schedule. We might expect offensive shooting percentages to decrease and defensive shooting percentages to increase. We might expect the same to be true of rebounding percentage. Perhaps teams take more threes in the back end of a back to back rather than aggressively attack the rim. Perhaps they foul more.

These are all things we can test for, if we have the inclination. If I get some time over the weekend, I'll try and put together the league averages for the past several years just to see what they look like.

Of course, you could go even deeper than this if you wanted. Do we treat a game where both teams are playing the back end of a back to back differently from a game where only one team is. Are we adjusting for the quality of the opposition in those back-end games. I doubt I'll have the time to do that, but we'll see what teams and players over time have been better than others in the these situations.

Your earlier point is true though, just because we don't find any evidence of an impact, doesn't mean their isn't an impact. It may just mean we haven't found a way to measure it yet.

http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?p=102321&highlight=enough+general+evidence#102321



With that, 10 years later, has anyone found a way to measure it?

Or is Angel McCoughtry just another player who is "parotting conventional wisdom that has been passed down from generation to generation." Question Shocked



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You mean someone could actually look at data and figure it out?


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If they need back to backs then make them so a team is at home for both, that would alleviate some of the strain. But especially for the older players who need to soak and/or ice and/or get PT of whatever type after games, back to back can't help but make a difference in a negative way.

As for weekend games, a Friday - Sunday combo is also available.



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Seemed like ShockPR was debating the affect of back-to-backs on W-L record or how they play, rather than how it affects a player's body.



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Randy wrote:
You mean someone could actually look at data and figure it out?




ShockPR certainly believed so and posted specifically about that.. Here's some of the data: Shocked Arrow

ShockPR wrote:
Afternoon everybody:

A week or two ago somebody posted Mark Cuban's weblog article about back-to-backs and I referenced a study I had done once. Finally tracked it down through Clay Kallum at Full Court. I'll probably try and update it at some point during the offseason since we now have another several years of data we can plug in, but here it is with apologies for the lack of coding for the charts. I hope it still makes sense.

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The WNBA released its 2002 schedule a few weeks ago, which means that for the week just after, head coaches and general managers were on the phone to the league complaining about the specific injustices foisted upon their respective teams. Weather it's too many back-to-backs, not enough home weekend games or that long road-trip to the East Coast to start the season, there's usually something to complain about with regards to every team's schedule if you look at it in the right light.

But is all this hand-wringing over scheduling merely a case of people needing something about which to complain, or is there really a disadvantage inherent in some team's schedules? Today, I'll take a look at back-to-backs and their impact on a team's winning percentages.

Conventional wisdom suggests that back-to-backs are bad for teams because of the fatigue factor inherent in playing that second game -- the back end of the back-to-back. Therefore, it makes intuitive sense that teams with the most back-to-backs would suffer with regards to their won-loss record as compared to teams with fewer back-to-backs.

First assumption first, though: Do teams lose more back ends of back-to-backs then we would expect?

In the WNBA's five-year history, there have been 348 regular-season back-to-backs. Teams are 180-168 in front ends of a back-to-back for a 51.7 winning percentage, but in the back ends of back-to-backs they're 158-190 for a 45.4 winning percentage. Winning any game, league-wide, is a 50-percent proposition, so we conclude that winning the back end of a back-to-back is tougher than winning the average game.

The problem is, though, that the back end is not an average game, and I don't mean because of the fatigue factor. Stating the obvious here for a moment, not only is the average winning percentage in the league 50 percent, but 50 percent of a team's games are home games and 50 percent are road games. However -- and here's the kicker -- a disproportionate number of back end games are played on the road. In fact, 242 of 348 back ends have been played on the road -- 69.5 percent.

Here's where the math gets a little heavy. Teams win road games 39.6 percent of the time and home games 60.4 percent of the time over the league's five-year history. If we apply those winning percentages to the home/road distribution of back end games, we get the following.

106 home games * .604 = 64 wins
242 road games * .396 = 96 wins
348 total back ends = 160 wins


We would expect teams that play this distribution of home and road games, regardless of their context, to win 160 of them while losing 188. Take a quick peek back at the actual record in these back end situations: 158 and 190. In five years, teams have won just two fewer games than we would expect them to if they were playing random games throughout the schedule.

I don't know if anybody else is as shocked by that as I am. Not that it will alter anybody's game strategy or that any team that knows this can have some advantage over another team, but I always bought into the idea that fatigue played a roll in the difficulty of winning the back end of a back-to-back. Looking at the data though, playing the back end is no different then playing any other game. It's playing those games on the road that makes it seem like a negative proposition.

Studying the figures with regards to the total number of back-to-backs in a season and how they relate to a team's winning percentage paints an interesting picture as well.

Winning Pct. vs. No. of Back-To-Backs
Back-To-Backs W-L WPct
1 14-14 .500
2 0-0 -----
3 18-10 .643
4 163-207 .441
5 237-199 .544
6 326-296 .524
7 101-123 .451
8 93-99 .484
9 14-18 .438


It seems to suggest that although it's more difficult to win games with more than seven or more back-to-backs on the schedule, it's also more difficult to win games with four or fewer back-to-backs. The sample sizes in those outlying areas are pretty small, making it difficult to draw any sort of conclusions from them. Only time, additional games and additional studies will tell if what we are seeing here is significant.

The more interesting question, if these winning percentages hold up over time and are deemed significant, is why would a team that has four back-to-backs or less suffer in the same fashion as a team with seven or more? The only thing that occurs to me is that there may be other elements of those team's schedules that are impacting their winning percentages.

I took a look at one other possibility with this issue -- that we might see the effect of back-to-backs manifesting itself not in specific back-to-back games or throughout an entire season, but over the second half of the season. The thinking being that it takes time for a team to feel the wear and tear of multiple back-to-back situations. If this hypothesis were true, we would expect teams with more back-to-backs to see a decrease in their winning percentages from the first half of the year to the second, but we don't.

2nd Half Winning Pct. vs. No. of Back-To-Backs
Back-To-Backs No. of Teams 1st Half WPct 2nd Half WPct
1-4 14 .459 .458
5 14 .541 .539
6 20 .522 .529
7 7 .464 .438
8-9 7 .438 .518


Actually, the seven teams that have had eight and nine back-to-backs have improved in the second half of the season. Basically, though, this chart suggests to us that there is no effect of back-to-backs on a team's winning percentages in the second half of the season.

As of now, I'd have to conclude that there is not enough concrete evidence to suggest that back-to-backs have a negative impact on a team's winning percentage.



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PostPosted: 06/17/16 10:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This morning I decided to make a WNBA schedule with no back-to-backs. My original plan was to keep all the home dates intact as they are now and just switch road teams. That turned out to be impossible. So I decided to do it with as few moved games as possible and making sure to maintain weekend integrity (i.e. weekend games move to other weekend days and weekday games move to other weekdays). I also kept all Mondays free. I wound up moving a total of nine home dates, eight of them by one day and one from a weekend to the next weekend.

This is what a no back-to-back schedule could look like...

5/14
Indiana at Washington
Phoenix at Minnesota
Connecticut at Chicago
Atlanta at San Antonio

5/15
Seattle at Los Angeles
Dallas at New York

5/18
Minnesota at Chicago
Dallas at Washington
Seattle at Indiana

5/19
Connecticut at San Antonio

5/20
Chicago at Washington
Atlanta at Indiana
Seattle at Phoenix

5/21
Los Angeles at New York
San Antonio at Dallas

5/22
Chicago at Atlanta
Minnesota at Seattle
Phoenix at Indiana
Washington at Connecticut

5/24
Atlanta at New York
Los Angeles at Chicago

5/25
Minnesota at Phoenix

5/26
Los Angeles at Connecticut
Washington at Seattle

5/27
Phoenix at Minnesota
Chicago at San Antonio
Atlanta at Dallas

5/28
Connecticut at Seattle

5/29
Indiana at Atlanta
Chicago at Dallas
New York at Phoenix

5/31
Minnesota at New York
Connecticut at Phoenix

6/1
Atlanta at Washington
Dallas at Indiana

6/2
San Antonio at Los Angeles

6/3
Atlanta at Connecticut
Indiana at New York
Washington at Chicago
Phoenix at Seattle

6/4
Dallas at Minnesota
Los Angeles at San Antonio

6/5
Indiana at Connecticut
Washington at Atlanta
New York at Seattle

6/7
Indiana at Minnesota
New York at Los Angeles

6/8
Washington at Dallas
San Antonio at Phoenix

6/10
Seattle at Connecticut
Phoenix at Indiana
Chicago at Atlanta

6/11
Minnesota at Washington
New York at San Antonio
Los Angeles at Dallas

6/12
Connecticut at Atlanta
Chicago at Phoenix
Seattle at Indiana

6/14
Washington at Connecticut
Dallas at New York
Indiana at Minnesota
Seattle at San Antonio
Chicago at Los Angeles

6/16
New York at Connecticut
Phoenix at Dallas

6/17
Minnesota at Atlanta
Indiana at San Antonio
Seattle at Los Angeles

6/18
Chicago at Washington
Dallas at Phoenix

6/19
San Antonio at Connecticut
New York at Indiana
Minnesota at Seattle

6/21
Phoenix at Los Angeles
San Antonio at Chicago
Seattle at Dallas

6/22
Connecticut at Atlanta
New York at Washington

6/23
San Antonio at Dallas

6/24
Phoenix at Washington
Chicago at New York
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Connecticut at Seattle

6/25
Atlanta at San Antonio
Indiana at Dallas

6/26
Phoenix at New York
Minnesota at Washington
Connecticut at Los Angeles

6/28
Atlanta at Seattle
Dallas at Los Angeles

6/29
San Antonio at Washington
Indiana at Chicago
New York at Minnesota
Connecticut at Phoenix

6/30
Atlanta at Los Angeles
Dallas at Seattle

7/1
San Antonio at Indiana
New York at Chicago
Washington at Phoenix

7/2
Seattle at Minnesota
Connecticut at Dallas

7/3
New York at Los Angeles
Phoenix at Atlanta

7/5
Seattle at Atlanta
Chicago at Minnesota
Phoenix at Dallas

7/6
Washington at San Antonio
Indiana at Los Angeles

7/7
Seattle at New York
Minnesota at Connecticut

7/8
Dallas at Atlanta
Washington at Chicago
Los Angeles at San Antonio
Indiana at Phoenix

7/10
Dallas at Minnesota
Atlanta at Connecticut
San Antonio at New York
Phoenix at Chicago
Washington at Los Angeles
Indiana at Seattle

7/12
Minnesota at San Antonio

7/13
Atlanta at New York
Connetcicut at Indiana
Los Angeles at Chicago
Washington at Phoenix

7/15
Los Angeles at Connecticut
Atlanta at Indiana
New York at Minnesota
Dallas at Chicago
Washington at Seattle

7/16
San Antonio at Phoenix

7/17
Connecticut at New York
Los Angeles at Atlanta
Minnesota at Dallas
Chicago at Seattle

7/19
Los Angeles at Indiana
Chicago at Phoenix
New York at Washington

7/20
Connecticut at Dallas
Atlanta at Minnesota
San Antonio at Seattle

7/21
Indiana at New York

7/22
Los Angeles at Washington
Dallas at Atlanta
San Antonio at Minnesota
Connecticut at Chicago

8/26
Minnesota at Connecticut
New York at San Antonio
Atlanta at Chicago
Dallas at Phoenix
Los Angeles at Seattle
Washington at Indiana

8/28
New York at Atlanta
Chicago at Dallas
Seattle at Minnesota
San Antonio at Washington
Los Angeles at Phoenix

8/30
San Antonio at Connecticut
Chicago at Indiana

8/31
Dallas at Seattle

9/1
New York at Indiana
Atlanta at San Antonio

9/2
Phoenix at Connecticut
Washington at Minnesota
Seattle at Chicago
Los Angeles at Dallas

9/4
Phoenix at New York
Washington at Dallas
San Antonio at Chicago
Seattle at Atlanta
Indiana at Los Angeles
Connecticut at Minnesota

9/6
Phoenix at Atlanta
Indiana at San Antonio
Minnesota at Los Angeles

9/7
Seattle at New York
Connecticut at Washington

9/8
Minnesota at Los Angeles

9/9
Seattle at Washington
Chicago at Indiana
Connecticut at New York
Dallas at San Antonio

9/11
Chicago at Connecticut
Indiana at Washington
New York at Dallas
Minnesota at San Antonio
Atlanta at Phoenix
Los Angeles at Seattle

9/13
Indiana at Connecticut
Washington at New York
San Antonio at Atlanta
Minnesota at Chicago
Phoenix at Los Angeles

9/15
Washington at Atlanta
Seattle at Phoenix

9/16
Dallas at Connecticut
Minnesota at Indiana
New York at Chicago
San Antonio at Los Angeles

9/18
Atlanta at Minnesota
Los Angeles at Washington
Dallas at Indiana
Phoenix at San Antonio
Chicago at Seattle

The dates I moved:
Indiana from 5/14 to 5/22
Connecticut from 5/21 to 5/22
Phoenix from 6/9 to 6/8
New York from 7/6 to 7/7
Minnesota from 7/9 to 7/10
Washington from 7/20 to 7/19
Indiana from 8/27 to 8/26
New York from 9/3 to 9/4
Minnesota from 9/17 to 9/18



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You have too much time on your hands! But good job. There are probably some venue conflicts in there, but still the W should hire you for scheduling!



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myrtle wrote:
You have too much time on your hands! But good job. There are probably some venue conflicts in there, but still the W should hire you for scheduling!


I moved less than 5% of currently scheduled home dates. I doubt the venue availability is so tight that they can't move a handful of dates. If the W really wanted to eliminate back-to-backs they could do it.

Also, making a schedule from scratch is far more difficult that what I did. The W's schedule makers had already done the hard part, I just tweaked it a bit.



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PostPosted: 06/20/16 5:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So given Pilight's schedule adjustments, I would think there has to be a reason for a few back to backs.

Some possibilities are arena availability and travel costs. I would like to think if arena availability wouldn't interfere with Pilight's scheduling that back to backs would have been eliminated.



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I've been working on this some more. I'm down to moving three home games and having a schedule with no back-to-backs. I find it hard to believe the venue availability is so tight that they can't move three games out of 204. I suspect it can be done with just two dates moved, but it was giving me a headache trying to save San Antonio's 5/19 game.

5/14
Atlanta at Washington
Dallas at Minnesota
Indiana at Chicago
Phoenix at San Antonio

5/15
Connecticut at Los Angeles
Seattle at New York

5/18
Minnesota at Chicago
Connecticut at Washington
Seattle at Indiana
Atlanta at San Antonio

5/20
Seattle at Washington
Los Angeles at Indiana
Atlanta at Phoenix

5/21
Chicago at New York
Minnesota at Connecticut
San Antonio at Dallas

5/22
Washington at Indiana
Los Angeles at Atlanta
Phoenix at Seattle

5/24
Washington at New York
Dallas at Chicago

5/25
Los Angeles at Phoenix

5/26
Indiana at Connecticut
Chicago at Seattle

5/27
New York at Minnesota
Los Angeles at San Antonio
Atlanta at Dallas

5/28
Connecticut at Seattle

5/29
New York at Atlanta
Minnesota at Dallas
Washington at Phoenix

5/31
Dallas at New York
Seattle at Phoenix

6/1
San Antonio at Washington
Connecticut at Indiana

6/2
Dallas at Los Angeles

6/3
Atlanta at Connecticut
Washington at New York
Phoenix at Chicago
Indiana at Seattle

6/4
Dallas at Minnesota
Los Angeles at San Antonio

6/5
Chicago at Connecticut
Phoenix at Atlanta
Washington at Seattle

6/7
Chicago at Minnesota
San Antonio at Los Angeles

6/8
Indiana at Dallas
New York at Phoenix

6/10
Seattle at Connecticut
Phoenix at Indiana
Minnesota at Atlanta

6/11
Chicago at Washington
New York at San Antonio
Washington at Dallas

6/12
Seattle at Atlanta
Connecticut at Phoenix
Minnesota at Indiana

6/14
Dallas at Connecticut
Atlanta at New York
Seattle at Minnesota
Chicago at San Antonio
Washington at Los Angeles

6/16
New York at Connecticut
Phoenix at Dallas

6/17
Indiana at Atlanta
Minnesota at San Antonio
Seattle at Los Angeles

6/18
New York at Washington
Chicago at Phoenix

6/19
Los Angeles at Connecticut
San Antonio at Indiana
Minnesota at Seattle

6/21
Phoenix at Los Angeles
San Antonio at Chicago
New York at Dallas

6/22
Minnesota at Atlanta
Indiana at Washington

6/23
San Antonio at Dallas

6/24
Connecticut at Washington
Los Angeles at New York
Chicago at Minnesota
Indiana at Seattle

6/25
Phoenix at San Antonio
Atlanta at Dallas

6/26
Chicago at New York
Seattle at Washington
Connecticut at Los Angeles

6/28
New York at Seattle
Atlanta at Los Angeles

6/29
San Antonio at Washington
Indiana at Chicago
Connecticut at Minnesota
Dallas at Phoenix

6/30
New York at Los Angeles
Atlanta at Seattle

7/1
Connecticut at Indiana
Washington at Chicago
San Antonio at Phoenix

7/2
New York at Minnesota
Seattle at Dallas

7/3
Chicago at Los Angeles
San Antonio at Atlanta

7/5
Seattle at Atlanta
Phoenix at Minnesota
Connecticut at Dallas

7/6
Indiana at New York
Chicago at San Antonio
Washington at Los Angeles

7/7
Minnesota at Connecticut

7/8
Dallas at Atlanta
New York at Chicago
Seattle at San Antonio
Indiana at Phoenix

7/9
Washington at Minnesota

7/10
San Antonio at Connecticut
Phoenix at New York
Atlanta at Chicago
Indiana at Los Angeles
Dallas at Seattle

7/12
Washington at San Antonio

7/13
Minnesota at New York
Los Angeles at Indiana
Atlanta at Chicago
Seattle at Phoenix

7/15
New York at Connectiut
Dallas at Indiana
Atlanta at Minnesota
Los Angeles at Chicago
San Antonio at Seattle

7/16
Washington at Phoenix

7/17
Los Angeles at New York
Connecticut at Atlanta
Chicago at Dallas
San Antonio at Seattle

7/19
New York at Indiana
Los Angeles at Phoenix

7/20
Atlanta at Washington
Connecticut at Dallas
San Antonio at Minnesota
Chicago at Seattle

7/21
Phoenix at New York

7/22
Dallas at Washington
Connecticut at Atlanta
Indiana at Minnesota
Los Angeles at Chicago

8/26
Atlanta at Connecticut
Minnesota at San Antonio
Washington at Chicago
Dallas at Phoenix
Los Angeles at Seattle

8/27
New York at Indiana

8/28
San Antonio at Atlanta
Los Angeles at Dallas
Seattle at Minnesota
Chicago at Washington
Connecticut at Phoenix

8/30
Phoenix at Connecticut
Washington at Indiana

8/31
Minnesota at Seattle

9/1
Atlanta at Indiana
New York at San Antonio

9/2
Seattle at Connecticut
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Phoenix at Chicago
Washington at Dallas

9/3
San Antonio at New York

9/4
Phoenix at Dallas
Connecticut at Chicago
Washington at Atlanta
Seattle at Los Angeles
Indiana at Minnesota

9/6
Chicago at Atlanta
Indiana at San Antonio
Minnesota at Los Angeles

9/7
Dallas at New York
Phoenix at Washington

9/8
Atlanta at Los Angeles

9/9
Minnesota at Washington
Phoenix at Indiana
Connecticut at New York
Dallas at San Antonio

9/11
Chicago at Connecticut
Minnesota at Washington
Los Angeles at Dallas
Indiana at San Antonio
Atlanta at Phoenix
New York at Seattle

9/13
San Antonio at Connecticut
Phoenix at New York
Indiana at Atlanta
Dallas at Chicago
Minnesota at Los Angeles

9/15
New York at Atlanta
Minnesota at Phoenix

9/16
Washington at Connecticut
Dallas at Indiana
Seattle at Chicago
San Antonio at Los Angeles

9/17
Phoenix at Minnesota

9/18
Los Angeles at Washington
Chicago at Indiana
Connecticut at San Antonio
Dallas at Seattle


Dates moved
Indiana 5/14 to 5/22
San Antonio 5/19 to 5/18
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I got it down to two moved dates, which is the fewest that can be done with the current home schedule. One of the 5/14 games had to move because they had seven games in two days, which is impossible with only 12 teams and no back-to-backs. So I moved Indiana's game to the next weekend. On 6/10-11 there were six games, meaning every team has to play. Phoenix has home games scheduled on both the 9th and the 12th, so they would be back-to-back if I tried to place them in that set. So I moved their game from the 9th to the 8th.

There's no way the venue availability is so tight that they can't move two games out of 204. Back-to-backs are not required.

5/14
Indiana at Washington
Dallas at Minnesota
Phoenix at Chicago
Seattle at San Antonio

5/15
Atlanta at Los Angeles
Connecticut at New York

5/18
Minnesota at Chicago
New York at Washington
Phoenix at Indiana

5/19
Los Angeles at San Antonio

5/20
Seattle at Washington
Atlanta at Indiana
Minnesota at Phoenix



5/21
Chicago at New York
San Antonio at Connecticut
Los Angeles at Dallas

5/22
Washington at Indiana
Phoenix at Atlanta
Minnesota at Seattle

5/24
Dallas at New York
Connecticut at Chicago

5/25
Indiana at Phoenix

5/26
New York at Connecticut
Washington at Seattle

5/27
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Indiana at San Antonio
Chicago at Dallas
5/28
Connecticut at Seattle

5/29
San Antonio at Atlanta
Minnesota at Dallas
Chicago at Phoenix

5/31
Los Angeles at New York
Seattle at Phoenix

6/1
San Antonio at Washington
Dallas at Indiana

6/2
Minnesota at Los Angeles

6/3
Atlanta at Connecticut
Phoenix at New York
Dallas at Chicago
Indiana at Seattle

6/4
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Washington at San Antonio

6/5
Phoenix at Connecticut
Chicago at Atlanta
New York at Seattle

6/7
Seattle at Minnesota
Chicago at Los Angeles

6/8
Indiana at Dallas
San Antonio at Phoenix

6/10
New York at Connecticut
Phoenix at Indiana
Los Angeles at Atlanta




6/11
Minnesota at Washington
Chicago at San Antonio
Seattle at Dallas

6/12
New York at Atlanta
Los Angeles at Phoenix
Connecticut at Indiana

6/14
Seattle at Connecticut
Chicago at New York
Phoenix at Minnesota
Atlanta at San Antonio
Washington at Los Angeles

6/16
Chicago at Connecticut
Washington at Dallas

6/17
Seattle at Atlanta
Minnesota at San Antonio
New York at Los Angeles
6/18
Chicago at Washington
Dallas at Phoenix

6/19
Los Angeles at Connecticut
Atlanta at Indiana
San Antonio at Seattle

6/21
San Antonio at Los Angeles
New York at Chicago
Connecticut at Dallas

6/22
Minnesota at Atlanta
Phoenix at Washington

6/23
San Antonio at Dallas





6/24
Connecticut at Washington
Los Angeles at New York
Indiana at Minnesota
Chicago at Seattle

6/25
Phoenix at San Antonio
Atlanta at Dallas

6/26
Indiana at New York
Minnesota at Washington
Connecticut at Los Angeles

6/28
San Antonio at Seattle
Dallas at Los Angeles

6/29
Atlanta at Washington
Indiana at Chicago
New York at Minnesota
Connecticut at Phoenix

6/30
San Antonio at Los Angeles
Dallas at Seattle

7/1
Connecticut at Indiana
Atlanta at Chicago
New York at Phoenix

7/2
Washington at Minnesota
Seattle at Dallas

7/3
Phoenix at Los Angeles
Indiana at Atlanta

7/5
Connecticut at Atlanta
Chicago at Minnesota
Washington at Dallas




7/6
Indiana at New York
Phoenix at San Antonio
Seattle at Los Angeles

7/7
Minnesota at Connecticut

7/8
New York at Atlanta
Washington at Chicago
Seattle at San Antonio
Los Angeles at Phoenix

7/9
Dallas at Minnesota

7/10
San Antonio at Connecticut
Washington at New York
Indiana at Chicago
Atlanta at Los Angeles
Phoenix at Seattle


7/12
Minnesota at San Antonio

7/13
Atlanta at New York
Seattle at Indiana
Dallas at Chicago
Washington at Phoenix

7/15
Atlanta at Connecticut
Dallas at Indiana
San Antonio at Minnesota
Los Angeles at Chicago
New York at Seattle

7/16
Washington at Phoenix

7/17
San Antonio at New York
Minnesota at Atlanta
Los Angeles at Dallas
Indiana at Seattle

7/19
New York at Indiana
Atlanta at Phoenix

7/20
San Antonio at Washington
Connecticut at Dallas
Chicago at Minnesota
Los Angeles at Seattle

7/21
Phoenix at New York

7/22
Indiana at Washington
Dallas at Atlanta
Connecticut at Minnesota
San Antonio at Chicago

8/26
Minnesota at Connecticut
New York at San Antonio
Washington at Chicago
Dallas at Phoenix
Atlanta at Seattle
8/27
Los Angeles at Indiana

8/28
Chicago at Atlanta
San Antonio at Dallas
New York at Minnesota
Seattle at Washington
Connecticut at Phoenix

8/30
Washington at Connecticut
Minnesota at Indiana

8/31
Phoenix at Seattle

9/1
Washington at Indiana
New York at San Antonio





9/2
Seattle at Connecticut
Phoenix at Minnesota
Los Angeles at Chicago
Atlanta at Dallas

9/3
Washington at New York

9/4
Phoenix at Dallas
Seattle at Chicago
San Antonio at Atlanta
Connecticut at Los Angeles
Indiana at Minnesota

9/6
Connecticut at Atlanta
Chicago at San Antonio
Indiana at Los Angeles

9/7
Minnesota at New York
Dallas at Washington

9/8
Seattle at Los Angeles

9/9
Atlanta at Washington
Chicago at Indiana
Dallas at New York
Connecticut at San Antonio

9/11
Chicago at Connecticut
Los Angeles at Washington
New York at Dallas
Indiana at San Antonio
Atlanta at Phoenix
Minnesota at Seattle

9/13
Indiana at Connecticut
Seattle at New York
Washington at Atlanta
Phoenix at Chicago
Dallas at Los Angeles


9/15
Seattle at Atlanta
Minnesota at Phoenix

9/16
Dallas at Connecticut
San Antonio at Indiana
New York at Chicago
Washington at Los Angeles

9/17
Atlanta at Minnesota

9/18
Connecticut at Washington
Los Angeles at Indiana
Dallas at San Antonio
Chicago at Seattle



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PostPosted: 07/08/16 12:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Some other notes on this last no-back-to-back schedule: Every team had nine home and nine away against the opposite conference and eight home and eight away against their own conference. I switched the 4 game partners to pair the top two, middle two, and bottom two from last year's standings in each conference together. The west 4 game partners are Minnesota-Phoenix, Dallas-Los Angeles, and San Antonio-Seattle. The east partners are Chicago-New York, Indiana-Washington, and Atlanta-Connecticut (same as the actual schedule). I also gave home advantage based on last year's record/championship. Minnesota, as champs, got home ad over the top three east teams and the middle two west teams. New York, who had the best record, got home ad over the 2-4 west teams and middle two east teams, and so on down the line. This results in the bottom teams, who probably need the attendance boost, getting more visits from the top teams.

I tried to keep teams from playing the same opponent consecutively or twice within a week, but there are still a couple of instances of both. This would be much easier if we had more teams.



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You have too much time on your hands!


Taking the time frame of the current schedule (beginning May 14th, ending September 18th, last day before Olympic break July 22nd, first day back August 26th, no Monday games) I decided to see if I could make a schedule using the following rules:

1 No back-to-backs

2 Multiple games on every game day

3 No teams playing each other twice within a seven day period

It turned out to be harder than I thought, but it wound up looking like this:

5/14 Sat
Phoenix at Minnesota
Washington at Indiana
Seattle at San Antonio

5/15 Sun
Chicago at New York
Los Angeles at Dallas
Connecticut at Atlanta

5/17 Tue
Minnesota at Washington
New York at Atlanta
Indiana at Chicago

5/18 Wed
Seattle at Dallas
San Antonio at Connecticut

5/19 Thu
Los Angeles at Phoenix
Atlanta at Indiana

5/20 Fri
Minnesota at Seattle
New York at Connecticut
Chicago at San Antonio

5/21 Sat
Washington at Los Angeles
Dallas at Phoenix

5/22 Sun
New York at Seattle
Minnesota at San Antonio
Chicago at Connecticut

5/24 Tue
Phoenix at Indiana
Washington at Dallas
Atlanta at Los Angeles

5/25 Wed
Seattle at Connecticut
New York at San Antonio

5/26 Thu
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Atlanta at Phoenix

5/27 Fri
Dallas at Chicago
Seattle at Washington
Indiana at San Antonio

5/28 Sat
Connecticut at Los Angeles
Minnesota at Atlanta

5/29 Sun
Dallas at Indiana
Washington at Chicago
Phoenix at New York

5/31 Tue
New York at Minnesota
Phoenix at Chicago
Connecticut at Indiana

6/1 Wed
Seattle at Atlanta
San Antonio at Washington

6/2 Thu
Connecticut at Dallas
Los Angeles at New York

6/3 Fri
Indiana at Minnesota
Chicago at Seattle
Phoenix at San Antonio

6/4 Sat
Atlanta at Washington
Dallas at New York

6/5 Sun
San Antonio at Los Angeles
Indiana at Seattle
Minnesota at Connecticut

6/7 Tue
Minnesota at Phoenix
New York at Chicago
Indiana at Washington

6/8 Wed
Dallas at Los Angeles
Atlanta at Connecticut

6/9 Thu
San Antonio at Seattle
Washington at Phoenix

6/10 Fri
Los Angeles at Chicago
Atlanta at Dallas
Indiana at New York

6/11 Sat
Connecticut at Washington
Phoenix at Seattle

6/12 Sun
Dallas at Minnesota
San Antonio at Atlanta
Los Angeles at Indiana

6/14 Tue
Chicago at Minnesota
Washington at New York
Connecticut at Phoenix

6/15 Wed
San Antonio at Dallas
Seattle at Los Angeles

6/16 Thu
Chicago at Atlanta
Indiana at Connecticut

6/17 Fri
Dallas at Seattle
Washington at San Antonio
Phoenix at Los Angeles

6/18 Sat
Atlanta at Minnesota
Connecticut at New York

6/19 Sun
Seattle at Chicago
Dallas at San Antonio
Los Angeles at Washington

6/21 Tue
Minnesota at New York
Chicago at Indiana
Phoenix at Atlanta

6/22 Wed
Washington at Seattle
Connecticut at San Antonio

6/23 Thu
Minnesota at Los Angeles
Atlanta at New York

6/24 Fri
Chicago at Dallas
Indiana at Phoenix
Connecticut at Seattle

6/25 Sat
Los Angeles at San Antonio
Washington at Atlanta

6/26 Sun
Phoenix at Dallas
Minnesota at Chicago
New York at Indiana

6/28 Tue
Minnesota at Indiana
New York at Phoenix
Chicago at Washington

6/29 Wed
Atlanta at Seattle
Los Angeles at Connecticut

6/30 Thu
San Antonio at Minnesota
Dallas at Washington

7/1 Fri
Los Angeles at Seattle
Phoenix at Connecticut
Indiana at Atlanta

7/2 Sat
New York at Dallas
San Antonio at Chicago

7/3 Sun
Seattle at Phoenix
Los Angeles at Atlanta
Connecticut at Minnesota

7/5 Tue
Phoenix at Minnesota
Chicago at New York
Washington at Indiana

7/6 Wed
Los Angeles at Dallas
Seattle at San Antonio

7/7 Thu
Connecticut at Atlanta
New York at Washington

7/8 Fri
San Antonio at Indiana
Chicago at Phoenix
Minnesota at Dallas

7/9 Sat
Seattle at New York
Washington at Connecticut

7/10 Sun
Atlanta at San Antonio
Chicago at Los Angeles
Indiana at Dallas

7/12 Tue
Washington at Minnesota
New York at Los Angeles
Atlanta at Chicago

7/13 Wed
Seattle at Indiana
San Antonio at Phoenix

7/14 Thu
Connecticut at Chicago
Dallas at Atlanta

7/15 Fri
Seattle at Minnesota
San Antonio at New York
Indiana at Los Angeles

7/16 Sat
Phoenix at Washington
Dallas at Connecticut

7/17 Sun
Seattle at Los Angeles
Indiana at San Antonio
New York at Atlanta

7/19 Tue
Chicago at Minnesota
Dallas at Phoenix
Atlanta at Washington

7/20 Wed
New York at Connecticut
San Antonio at Los Angeles

7/21 Thu
Chicago at Seattle
Washington at Dallas

7/22 Fri
Minnesota at Connecticut
Phoenix at Indiana
Atlanta at Los Angeles

8/26 Fri
Seattle at Connecticut
San Antonio at Dallas
Washington at Phoenix

8/27 Sat
New York at Minnesota
Indiana at Chicago

8/28 Sun
San Antonio at Seattle
Atlanta at Connecticut
Dallas at Los Angeles

8/30 Tue
Minnesota at Phoenix
New York at Chicago
Indiana at Washington

8/31 Wed
Seattle at Dallas
San Antonio at Atlanta

9/1 Thu
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Chicago at Connecticut

9/2 Fri
Washington at New York
Indiana at Seattle
Phoenix at San Antonio

9/3 Sat
Los Angeles at Chicago
Connecticut at Dallas

9/4 Sun
Minnesota at Washington
Atlanta at Phoenix
Indiana at New York

9/6 Tue
Indiana at Minnesota
Phoenix at New York
Washington at Chicago

9/7 Wed
Seattle at Atlanta
San Antonio at Connecticut

9/8 Thu
Los Angeles at New York
Dallas at Minnesota

9/9 Fri
Seattle at Washington
Chicago at San Antonio
Connecticut at Phoenix

9/10 Sat
Los Angeles at Indiana
Atlanta at Dallas

9/11 Sun
Phoenix at Seattle
New York at San Antonio
Connecticut at Washington

9/13 Tue
Minnesota at Atlanta
Dallas at Indiana
Phoenix at Chicago

9/14 Wed
Connecticut at Los Angeles
New York at Seattle

9/15 Thu
Atlanta at Indiana
Dallas at Chicago

9/16 Fri
Minnesota at San Antonio
Washington at Los Angeles

9/17 Sat
Dallas at New York
Chicago at Atlanta
Connecticut at Indiana

9/18 Sun
San Antonio at Washington
Minnesota at Seattle
Los Angeles at Phoenix


I tried to put premium games on Tuesdays for ESPN. I used the same format as in my previous post in terms of who plays whom where and how many times.

The biggest downside is that this reduces the number of weekend games from 128 to 113 (out of 204). I'm pretty sure I can make a schedule that will make up most of that with a little more effort.



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PostPosted: 07/23/16 8:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
The back-to-back games exist in part to get more weekend games, which generate more income. So if players want to eliminate back-to-back games, they should then volunteer to get less money.

Of course that won't happen, and it's the same in the NBA and MLB and the NFL and NHL: Everyone (owners, players, etc.) agrees the seasons are too long but no one wants to make less money.

Or, to put it another way, everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.


Difference being that women playing pro basketball generally have to play year 'round to make a decent living. I don't see players from the league's you mention playing year 'round. Of course that, and offering weekend back to back games, is s fiscal reality for the WNBA's current viability but to compare them to male pro athletes is a false equivalency.


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CalwbbFan wrote:
ClayK wrote:
The back-to-back games exist in part to get more weekend games, which generate more income. So if players want to eliminate back-to-back games, they should then volunteer to get less money.

Of course that won't happen, and it's the same in the NBA and MLB and the NFL and NHL: Everyone (owners, players, etc.) agrees the seasons are too long but no one wants to make less money.

Or, to put it another way, everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.


Difference being that women playing pro basketball generally have to play year 'round to make a decent living. I don't see players from the league's you mention playing year 'round. Of course that, and offering weekend back to back games, is s fiscal reality for the WNBA's current viability but to compare them to male pro athletes is a false equivalency.


I guess it depends on what you mean by "decent living."

So the veteran minimum is $50,000 (three years), for a season that runs from May (if you show for training camp) until the end of September. That leaves another seven months to add to that $50,000, basketball or not.

Now I have two daughters, one 27 and one 31, and neither makes $50,000 for 12 months' work. They would consider $50,000 more than a "decent living," especially with seven months off.

Those WNBA players who do choose to play year-round make $150,000 or so, and I've never come close to making that much money in a year in my career. To me, that's a lot more than a "decent living," but maybe I'm just not working hard enough.

There's a young player I know just going into college who's a WNBA candidate if all goes well. If you figure her college is free ($200,000), she plays four years in the WNBA ($160,000) and then gets cut, and plays overseas for 10 years at $40,000 a year (($400,000), we're looking at generating the equivalent of $750,000 in 12 years, which is more than $70,000 a year before the age of 30.

And a ten-year WNBA veteran who plays overseas until her mid-30s will make upwards of $4 million by the time she's 35.

That's a decent living in my book ...



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pilight wrote:
myrtle wrote:
You have too much time on your hands!


Taking the time frame of the current schedule (beginning May 14th, ending September 18th, last day before Olympic break July 22nd, first day back August 26th, no Monday games) I decided to see if I could make a schedule using the following rules:

1 No back-to-backs

2 Multiple games on every game day

3 No teams playing each other twice within a seven day period


I took another run at this with an eye towards having more weekend games.

5/14 Sat
Phoenix at Minnesota
Washington at Indiana
Connecticut at Atlanta

5/15 Sun
Chicago at New York
Los Angeles at Dallas
Seattle at San Antonio

5/17 Tue
Indiana at Minnesota
Washington at New York

5/18 Wed
Dallas at Phoenix
Chicago at Seattle

5/19 Thu
Minnesota at Washington
New York at Atlanta

5/20 Fri
San Antonio at Connecticut
Indiana at Seattle
Los Angeles at Chicago

5/21 Sat
Atlanta at Phoenix
Washington at Dallas

5/22 Sun
Seattle at Los Angeles
New York at Minnesota
Chicago at San Antonio
Connecticut at Indiana

5/24 Tue
Connecticut at Phoenix
Dallas at New York

5/25 Wed
Atlanta at Washington
Minnesota at San Antonio

5/26 Thu
Phoenix at Chicago
Connecticut at Dallas

5/27 Fri
Minnesota at Seattle
San Antonio at Los Angeles
Indiana at New York

5/28 Sat
Washington at Phoenix
Atlanta at Dallas

5/29 Sun
Seattle at Connecticut
Chicago at Minnesota
New York at San Antonio
Los Angeles at Indiana

5/31 Tue
Phoenix at New York
Connecticut at Los Angeles

6/1 Wed
Minnesota at Atlanta
Dallas at Chicago

6/2 Thu
Indiana at San Antonio
Connecticut at New York

6/3 Fri
Los Angeles at Phoenix
Chicago at Atlanta
Seattle at Washington

6/4 Sat
Dallas at Minnesota
New York at Connecticut

6/5 Sun
Atlanta at Los Angeles
Indiana at Chicago
Phoenix at Seattle
San Antonio at Washington

6/7 Tue
Los Angeles at New York
Washington at Chicago

6/8 Wed
Seattle at Dallas
Atlanta at Indiana

6/9 Thu
Phoenix at San Antonio
Minnesota at Connecticut

6/10 Fri
Seattle at Atlanta
Dallas at Indiana
Washington at Los Angeles

6/11 Sat
Minnesota at Phoenix
New York at Chicago

6/12 Sun
Dallas at Los Angeles
San Antonio at Seattle
Atlanta at Connecticut
Indiana at Washington

6/14 Tue
Minnesota at New York
Phoenix at Washington

6/15 Wed
San Antonio at Indiana
Seattle at Chicago

6/16 Thu
Connecticut at Washington
Phoenix at Atlanta

6/17 Fri
San Antonio at Dallas
Seattle at Minnesota
Chicago at Los Angeles

6/18 Sat
Chicago at Connecticut
Phoenix at Indiana

6/19 Sun
San Antonio at Atlanta
New York at Seattle
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Dallas at Washington

6/21 Tue
Atlanta at Minnesota
Dallas at Connecticut

6/22 Wed
San Antonio at Chicago
Indiana at Los Angeles

6/23 Thu
Washington at Seattle
New York at Phoenix

6/24 Fri
Connecticut at San Antonio
Indiana at Dallas
Los Angeles at Atlanta

6/25 Sat
Seattle at Phoenix
New York at Washington

6/26 Sun
Los Angeles at San Antonio
Indiana at Connecticut
Dallas at Atlanta
Minnesota at Chicago

6/28 Tue
Minnesota at Dallas
New York at Indiana

6/29 Wed
San Antonio at Phoenix
Los Angeles at Washington

6/30 Thu
Atlanta at New York
Chicago at Dallas

7/1 Fri
Seattle at Indiana
Los Angeles at Connecticut
San Antonio at Minnesota

7/2 Sat
Phoenix at Dallas
Washington at Atlanta

7/3 Sun
Los Angeles at Seattle
Minnesota at Indiana
San Antonio at New York
Connecticut at Chicago

7/5 Tue
Washington at Connecticut
Minnesota at Seattle

7/6 Wed
Indiana at Atlanta
Chicago at Phoenix

7/7 Thu
Washington at San Antonio
Minnesota at Los Angeles

7/8 Fri
Atlanta at Chicago
Phoenix at Connecticut
Seattle at New York

7/9 Sat
Los Angeles at Dallas
Washington at Indiana

7/10 Sun
Connecticut at Atlanta
Phoenix at Minnesota
Chicago at New York
Seattle at San Antonio

7/12 Tue
Indiana at New York
Washington at Chicago

7/13 Wed
Phoenix at Los Angeles
Dallas at Seattle

7/14 Thu
Washington at Minnesota
Chicago at Indiana

7/15 Fri
Connecticut at Seattle
Atlanta at San Antonio
New York at Dallas

7/16 Sat
Chicago at Washington
Indiana at Phoenix

7/17 Sun
Atlanta at Seattle
New York at Los Angeles
Dallas at San Antonio
Connecticut at Minnesota

7/19 Tue
Dallas at Phoenix
Atlanta at Los Angeles

7/20 Wed
San Antonio at Connecticut
New York at Seattle

7/21 Thu
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Chicago at Atlanta

7/22 Fri
Indiana at San Antonio
Connecticut at Phoenix
Washington at Dallas

8/26 Fri
Indiana at Seattle
New York at San Antonio
Los Angeles at Chicago
Minnesota at Connecticut

8/27 Sat
Atlanta at Dallas
Washington at Phoenix

8/28 Sun
Chicago at Seattle
Minnesota at San Antonio
Los Angeles at New York
Connecticut at Indiana

8/30 Tue
Phoenix at New York
Chicago at Minnesota

8/31 Wed
Atlanta at Washington
Dallas at Indiana

9/1 Thu
Seattle at Connecticut
Chicago at San Antonio

9/2 Fri
Atlanta at Phoenix
Dallas at Minnesota
Washington at Los Angeles

9/3 Sat
New York at Chicago
San Antonio at Seattle

9/4 Sun
Minnesota at Phoenix
Indiana at Washington
Dallas at Los Angeles
Atlanta at Connecticut

9/6 Tue
New York at Minnesota
Indiana at Chicago

9/7 Wed
Seattle at Los Angeles
Connecticut at Washington

9/8 Thu
Dallas at New York
Atlanta at Indiana

9/9 Fri
Seattle at Washington
Phoenix at San Antonio
Connecticut at Los Angeles

9/10 Sat
Dallas at Chicago
Minnesota at Atlanta

9/11 Sun
Phoenix at Seattle
San Antonio at Washington
Los Angeles at Indiana
New York at Connecticut

9/13 Tue
San Antonio at Dallas
New York at Atlanta

9/14 Wed
Minnesota at Washington
Phoenix at Chicago

9/15 Thu
Seattle at Dallas
San Antonio at Atlanta

9/16 Fri
Los Angeles at Phoenix
Chicago at Connecticut
Indiana at Minnesota

9/17 Sat
Seattle at Atlanta
Washington at New York

9/18 Sun
San Antonio at Los Angeles
Connecticut at Dallas
Phoenix at Indiana


Here we have 126 weekend games, practically the same as the 128 on the actual schedule. It was harder to get premium games on Tuesdays for ESPN this way.* This schedule also has every team playing at least two games every full week and at least one in every partial week. It also has pre and post break balance in that every team has 25 games before the break and nine games after.

* Apologies to Lib fans for giving them seven Tuesday home games in the attempt to have good games for the Worldwide Leader. If this was a real schedule, I would probably switch some of those for road games.



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PostPosted: 07/27/16 10:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
pilight wrote:
myrtle wrote:
You have too much time on your hands!


Taking the time frame of the current schedule (beginning May 14th, ending September 18th, last day before Olympic break July 22nd, first day back August 26th, no Monday games) I decided to see if I could make a schedule using the following rules:

1 No back-to-backs

2 Multiple games on every game day

3 No teams playing each other twice within a seven day period


I took another run at this with an eye towards having more weekend games.


There were a couple of errors in that last schedule, most notably Connecticut at New York playing twice with a couple of days of each other. So I took another pass at it, this time making sure every team has a majority of their home games on the weekend and trying to even out the ESPN Tuesdays a bit.

5/14 Sat
Phoenix at Minnesota
Washington at Indiana
Seattle at San Antonio

5/15 Sun
Chicago at New York
Los Angeles at Dallas
Connecticut at Atlanta

5/17 Tue
New York at Minnesota
Washington at Phoenix

5/18 Wed
Indiana at Seattle
Chicago at Connecticut

5/19 Thu
Atlanta at Dallas
Phoenix at New York
5/20 Fri
Seattle at Los Angeles
Minnesota at San Antonio
Connecticut at Washington

5/21 Sat
Dallas at Phoenix
Indiana at Chicago

5/22 Sun
Seattle at Minnesota
San Antonio at Los Angeles
New York at Connecticut
Atlanta at Washington

5/24 Tue
Indiana at Minnesota
Atlanta at Phoenix

5/25 Wed
San Antonio at Dallas
Los Angeles at Chicago

5/26 Thu
Seattle at Connecticut
Washington at New York

5/27 Fri
Chicago at San Antonio
Los Angeles at Atlanta
Dallas at Indiana

5/28 Sat
Minnesota at Washington
Connecticut at Phoenix

5/29 Sun
San Antonio at Atlanta
Los Angeles at Indiana
Dallas at Chicago
New York at Seattle

5/31 Tue
New York at Atlanta
Minnesota at Chicago

6/1 Wed
Phoenix at Indiana
San Antonio at Washington

6/2 Thu
Minnesota at Atlanta
Dallas at New York

6/3 Fri
Chicago at Seattle
Phoenix at San Antonio
Connecticut at Los Angeles

6/4 Sat
Indiana at New York
Washington at Dallas

6/5 Sun
Seattle at Atlanta
Phoenix at Chicago
San Antonio at Connecticut
Los Angeles at Minnesota

6/7 Tue
Dallas at Minnesota
Connecticut at Indiana

6/8 Wed
Seattle at Washington
Los Angeles at New York

6/9 Thu
Indiana at San Antonio
Dallas at Connecticut

6/10 Fri
Phoenix at Seattle
Washington at Los Angeles
Chicago at Atlanta

6/11 Sat
Minnesota at Connecticut
New York at San Antonio

6/12 Sun
Seattle at Dallas
Atlanta at Indiana
Los Angeles at Phoenix
Washington at Chicago

6/14 Tue
Minnesota at Indiana
Dallas at Washington

6/15 Wed
Seattle at Chicago
Atlanta at New York

6/16 Thu
Indiana at Los Angeles
Phoenix at Dallas

6/17 Fri
Connecticut at Seattle
San Antonio at Minnesota
Washington at Atlanta

6/18 Sat
New York at Chicago
Dallas at Los Angeles

6/19 Sun
Minnesota at Phoenix
Indiana at Washington
Atlanta at Connecticut
San Antonio at Seattle

6/21 Tue
New York at Los Angeles
Chicago at Washington

6/22 Wed
Seattle at Phoenix
Connecticut at San Antonio

6/23 Thu
Indiana at Atlanta
Minnesota at Dallas

6/24 Fri
San Antonio at New York
Chicago at Los Angeles
Phoenix at Connecticut

6/25 Sat
Washington at Seattle
Atlanta at Minnesota

6/26 Sun
Los Angeles at San Antonio
Chicago at Phoenix
Connecticut at Dallas
New York at Indiana

6/28 Tue
Dallas at Atlanta
Chicago at Indiana

6/29 Wed
Minnesota at Seattle
New York at Phoenix

6/30 Thu
Atlanta at San Antonio
Indiana at Dallas

7/1 Fri
Los Angeles at Washington
Connecticut at Chicago
Seattle at New York

7/2 Sat
Phoenix at Atlanta
San Antonio at Indiana

7/3 Sun
Los Angeles at Seattle
Chicago at Minnesota
New York at Dallas
Washington at Connecticut

7/5 Tue
Phoenix at Washington
San Antonio at Chicago

7/6 Wed
Connecticut at Minnesota
Atlanta at Los Angeles

7/7 Thu
Seattle at Indiana
Dallas at Chicago

7/8 Fri
Washington at San Antonio
Phoenix at Los Angeles
Connecticut at New York

7/9 Sat
Seattle at Dallas
Atlanta at Chicago

7/10 Sun
San Antonio at Phoenix
Minnesota at Los Angeles
Indiana at Connecticut
New York at Washington

7/12 Tue
New York at Seattle
San Antonio at Connecticut

7/13 Wed
Phoenix at Minnesota
Washington at Indiana

7/14 Thu
Los Angeles at Dallas
Connecticut at Atlanta

7/15 Fri
Washington at Minnesota
Seattle at San Antonio
Chicago at New York

7/16 Sat
Los Angeles at Connecticut
Indiana at Phoenix

7/17 Sun
Minnesota at New York
Atlanta at Seattle
San Antonio at Dallas
Washington at Chicago

7/19 Tue
Dallas at Phoenix
Atlanta at Los Angeles

7/20 Wed
Indiana at Minnesota
Seattle at Washington

7/21 Thu
Los Angeles at Phoenix
Atlanta at Dallas

7/22 Fri
Chicago at Minnesota
Indiana at New York
Seattle at Connecticut

8/26 Fri
Minnesota at Seattle
New York at San Antonio
Phoenix at Chicago
Dallas at Indiana

8/27 Sat
Atlanta at Washington
Connecticut at Los Angeles

8/28 Sun
Minnesota at San Antonio
Chicago at Seattle
Dallas at New York
Phoenix at Indiana

8/30 Tue
New York at Connecticut
Dallas at Minnesota

8/31 Wed
Chicago at Atlanta
Washington at Los Angeles

9/1 Thu
Dallas at Seattle
Phoenix at San Antonio

9/2 Fri
Minnesota at Atlanta
Connecticut at Washington
Los Angeles at Indiana

9/3 Sat
New York at Chicago
San Antonio at Seattle

9/4 Sun
Atlanta at Connecticut
Dallas at Los Angeles
Indiana at Washington
Minnesota at Phoenix

9/6 Tue
Chicago at Connecticut
New York at Minnesota

9/7 Wed
San Antonio at Atlanta
Washington at Dallas

9/8 Thu
Los Angeles at New York
Minnesota at Connecticut

9/9 Fri
Washington at Phoenix
Indiana at Seattle
Chicago at San Antonio

9/10 Sat
Connecticut at Dallas
Los Angeles at Minnesota

9/11 Sun
Seattle at Atlanta
San Antonio at Washington
Phoenix at New York
Indiana at Chicago

9/13 Tue
Atlanta at Indiana
Seattle at Los Angeles

9/14 Wed
Dallas at San Antonio
Connecticut at Phoenix

9/15 Thu
Los Angeles at Chicago
New York at Atlanta

9/16 Fri
Indiana at San Antonio
Phoenix at Seattle
Minnesota at Washington

9/17 Sat
Chicago at Dallas

9/18 Sun
San Antonio at Los Angeles
Connecticut at Indiana
Atlanta at Phoenix
Washington at New York

Yes, I know the last Saturday only has one game. We're just going to have to live with it.

Every team has at least two Tuesday games. Minnesota has seven , New York six, Los Angeles three, San Antonio and Seattle two. Everyone else has four or five. ESPN would have the chance to show everyone.

Every team has at least nine weekend home games. Most have more than that.



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PostPosted: 03/22/17 5:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
myrtle wrote:
You have too much time on your hands!


Taking the time frame of the current schedule (beginning May 14th, ending September 18th, last day before Olympic break July 22nd, first day back August 26th, no Monday games) I decided to see if I could make a schedule using the following rules:

1 No back-to-backs

2 Multiple games on every game day

3 No teams playing each other twice within a seven day period


Decided to do this with the 2017 schedule, going from May 13 to September 3, with a break July 21-23 for the ASG, and adding a rule that every team must have a majority of their home games on a weekend. Since this schedule is more spread out than last year, there are 108 weekend games. It looks like this...

5/13 Sat
Minnesota at Los Angeles
Indiana at Atlanta
Dallas at San Antonio

5/14 Sun
Chicago at New York
Seattle at Phoenix
Connecticut at Washington

5/16 Tue
Los Angeles at Connecticut
Chicago at Minnesota

5/17 Wed
San Antonio at Seattle
Atlanta at Dallas

5/18 Thu
Washington at Indiana
Phoenix at New York

5/19 Fri
Minnesota at San Antonio
Los Angeles at Dallas
5/20 Sat
New York at Washington
Chicago at Connecticut

5/21 Sun
Phoenix at Indiana
Dallas at Seattle
San Antonio at Atlanta

5/23 Tue
Indiana at Los Angeles
Minnesota at Seattle

5/24 Wed
Washington at Phoenix
Atlanta at New York

5/25 Thu
Dallas at Chicago
Connecticut at Indiana

5/26 Fri
Los Angeles at San Antonio
Washington at Minnesota

5/27 Sat
Connecticut at New York
Phoenix at Chicago

5/28 Sun
Atlanta at Seattle
Washington at Dallas
Indiana at Minnesota

5/30 Tue
Chicago at Los Angeles
New York at Seattle

5/31 Wed
San Antonio at Phoenix
Connecticut at Atlanta

6/1 Thu
Minnesota at Dallas
Los Angeles at Washington

6/2 Fri
New York at San Antonio
Connecticut at Seattle

6/3 Sat
Atlanta at Phoenix
Indiana at Chicago

6/4 Sun
Connecticut at San Antonio
Dallas at New York
Seattle at Los Angeles

6/6 Tue
Phoenix at Minnesota
Washington at Atlanta

6/7 Wed
Chicago at San Antonio
Dallas at Indiana

6/8 Thu
Washington at Seattle
Minnesota at Connecticut

6/9 Fri
Phoenix at Los Angeles
Atlanta at Chicago

6/10 Sat
Indiana at New York
San Antonio at Washington

6/11 Sun
Connecticut at Dallas
Los Angeles at Atlanta

6/13 Tue
New York at Minnesota
Seattle at Indiana

6/14 Wed
Washington at Chicago
Dallas at Phoenix

6/15 Thu
Indiana at San Antonio
Minnesota at Atlanta

6/16 Fri
Connecticut at Phoenix
Seattle at Chicago


6/17 Sat
New York at Los Angeles
Atlanta at Indiana

6/18 Sun
Phoenix at Seattle
Washington at Connecticut
Dallas at San Antonio

6/20 Tue
Minnesota at Los Angeles
New York at Chicago

6/21 Wed
San Antonio at Atlanta
Indiana at Dallas

6/22 Thu
Minnesota at Washington
Connecticut at Los Angeles

6/23 Fri
Seattle at New York
Chicago at Phoenix

6/24 Sat
San Antonio at Indiana
Dallas at Atlanta

6/25 Sun
Phoenix at Connecticut
Seattle at Washington
Los Angeles at Chicago

6/27 Tue
Minnesota at New York
Los Angeles at Indiana

6/28 Wed
San Antonio at Chicago
Seattle at Dallas

6/29 Thu
Washington at New York
Connecticut at Minnesota

6/30 Fri
Phoenix at Atlanta
Dallas at Los Angeles

7/1 Sat
Indiana at Washington
Seattle at Minnesota

7/2 Sun
New York at Phoenix
Atlanta at Connecticut
Chicago at Dallas

7/4 Tue
Seattle at San Antonio
Minnesota at Chicago

7/5 Wed
Washington at Los Angeles
New York at Connecticut

7/6 Thu
Phoenix at San Antonio
Atlanta at Minnesota

7/7 Fri
Indiana at New York
Dallas at Connecticut

7/8 Sat
Los Angeles at Phoenix
Chicago at Seattle

7/9 Sun
San Antonio at Minnesota
Dallas at Washington
New York at Atlanta

7/11 Tue
Chicago at Indiana
Atlanta at Los Angeles

7/12 Wed
San Antonio at Connecticut
Phoenix at Washington

7/13 Thu
Indiana at Seattle
New York at Dallas

7/14 Fri
Los Angeles at San Antonio
Chicago at Washington

7/15 Sat
Indiana at Connecticut
Minnesota at Phoenix

7/16 Sun
Seattle at Atlanta
Los Angeles at New York
Washington at San Antonio

7/18 Tue
Minnesota at Indiana
Chicago at Atlanta

7/19 Wed
Phoenix at Dallas
Seattle at Connecticut

7/20 Thu
Atlanta at Washington
San Antonio at New York

7/25 Tue
Dallas at Minnesota
Connecticut at Chicago

7/26 Wed
Indiana at Phoenix
Los Angeles at Seattle

7/27 Thu
San Antonio at Dallas
Connecticut at Washington

7/28 Fri
Indiana at Atlanta
Seattle at Phoenix

7/29 Sat
New York at Chicago
Los Angeles at Minnesota

7/30 Sun
San Antonio at Seattle
Atlanta at Dallas
Washington at Indiana

8/1 Tue
Chicago at Minnesota
Los Angeles at Connecticut

8/2 Wed
Phoenix at New York
Indiana at San Antonio

8/3 Thu
Minnesota at Dallas
Los Angeles at Washington

8/4 Fri
New York at Connecticut
Phoenix at Chicago

8/5 Sat
Atlanta at Seattle
Dallas at Indiana

8/6 Sun
San Antonio at Phoenix
Chicago at Los Angeles

8/8 Tue
Seattle at Minnesota
Connecticut at Atlanta


8/9 Wed
Dallas at New York
Washington at Phoenix

8/10 Thu
Minnesota at San Antonio
Chicago at Connecticut

8/11 Fri
New York at Washington
Seattle at Los Angeles

8/12 Sat
Atlanta at San Antonio
Connecticut at Indiana

8/13 Sun
Los Angeles at Dallas
Washington at Seattle
Phoenix at Minnesota

8/15 Tue
New York at Indiana
Atlanta at Chicago

8/16 Wed
San Antonio at Los Angeles
Dallas at Seattle

8/17 Thu
Minnesota at Washington
Connecticut at Phoenix

8/18 Fri
Atlanta at New York
Indiana at Chicago

8/19 Sat
San Antonio at Connecticut
Washington at Dallas

8/20 Sun
Phoenix at Los Angeles
Seattle at Indiana
New York at Minnesota

8/22 Tue
Chicago at Washington
Minnesota at Atlanta

8/23 Wed
New York at San Antonio
Dallas at Phoenix

8/24 Thu
Connecticut at Seattle
Los Angeles at Atlanta

8/25 Fri
Indiana at Minnesota
San Antonio at Washington

8/26 Sat
Seattle at Chicago
Connecticut at Dallas

8/27 Sun
New York at Los Angeles
Phoenix at Indiana
Washington at Atlanta

8/29 Tue
Chicago at San Antonio
Indiana at Los Angeles

8/30 Wed
Minnesota at Connecticut
Atlanta at Phoenix

8/31 Thu
Dallas at Chicago
Seattle at New York

9/1 Fri
Los Angeles at Minnesota
Washington at Connecticut

9/2 Sat
Atlanta at Indiana
Phoenix at Seattle

9/3 Sun
Chicago at New York
San Antonio at Dallas



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PostPosted: 03/22/17 5:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Looks like Angel has figured her own way to eliminate back to back games.


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PostPosted: 03/22/17 8:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

While I agree it would be nice to eliminate the back to backs, still I think the bigger problem is cramming 5 or 6 games into a two week, or even shorter, period. While one team is doing that, another might have one game in the same time frame. This seems pretty ridiculous to me, and really harder on the body than an occasional back to back.



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