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PostPosted: 07/15/17 3:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

They look tight and not confident in games of late. Might just not be translating to games. Even the very good FT shooters are missing FTs. I don't know what they're doing in practice but your muscle memory can be altered if you're rattled. As a person who can shoot, that much I do know.



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I also have to wonder if Wright will be back next season? Just to have that veteran guard on the team. Wright also has the fire & energy in her that Prince always seems to lack. Schimmel's an afterthought for me, especially if we draft a SF with our pick. Though I guess Schimmel could take Allen's spot(Rebecca or Lindsay). We still need an upgrade in the post and I think out of anyone, Stokes has the most trade value.

PG: Boyd/L. Allen or Schimmel
SG: Rodgers/Prince/Wright
SF: Zellous/draft pick
PF: Charles/Raincock/Zahui B
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Obviously, it depends on where the team picks, but to me the handwriting is on the wall -- post players are getting taller, especially centers. We're talking about athletic bigs, not stiffs. Currently, the league has Griner 6-8, Fowles 6-6, and Jones 6-6. Boyette at 6-7 isn't doing much yet, but the talent is there and you get the feeling one of these days the light bulb will go on. Wilson is coming in next year as a 6-5 PF. If Stevens enters the draft, you're talking about a 6-6 PF/C. Russell is 6-6. If McCowan enters the draft, she is 6-7. Down the road, you have Kalani Brown at 6-7. Should the opportunity present itself, this might be a train the Liberty want to get on sooner rather than later. Otherwise, we're going to see a lot of opposing post players simply shoot over our centers or out-jump them for rebounds.



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I love for McCowan to enter the draft early. I doubt we could trade much to get a lottery pick, but there's the possibility when end up with the #5 pick. That pick and Stokes to Indiana?



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PostPosted: 07/15/17 6:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Obviously, it depends on where the team picks, but to me the handwriting is on the wall -- post players are getting taller, especially centers. We're talking about athletic bigs, not stiffs. Currently, the league has Griner 6-8, Fowles 6-6, and Jones 6-6. Boyette at 6-7 isn't doing much yet, but the talent is there and you get the feeling one of these days the light bulb will go on. Wilson is coming in next year as a 6-5 PF. If Stevens enters the draft, you're talking about a 6-6 PF/C. Russell is 6-6. If McCowan enters the draft, she is 6-7. Down the road, you have Kalani Brown at 6-7. Should the opportunity present itself, this might be a train the Liberty want to get on sooner rather than later. Otherwise, we're going to see a lot of opposing post players simply shoot over our centers or out-jump them for rebounds.


I agree. The team has a major need for length to match these players. Even Candace Parker has excellent length at 6'4". I'm pleased there are so many post players likely in this draft. I think it's a given that the Liberty need one. I think a part of their problems on offense stem from having to work so hard on defense to make up for size deficiencies. That wears you down. To me that's definitely the number one need bar none.



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I love for McCowan to enter the draft early. I doubt we could trade much to get a lottery pick, but there's the possibility when end up with the #5 pick. That pick and Stokes to Indiana?


If Boyette is any indication, I wouldn't consider McCowan a guaranteed lottery pick. Keeping in mind that Boyette as a junior was the same age as McCowan as a sophomore, their numbers are very similar -- with Boyette having a slight edge. Imani improved somewhat the next year, but not enough to even crack the middle third of Round 1. Obviously, McCowan could really take off this coming season, but there's no guarantee. She looked great against an exhausted, undersized Osahor but that wasn't the case in the first half of the game. She also looked OK against 5-11 Gabby Williams, but even though Gabby is super-athletic, that's a match-up Teaira should dominate. Notably, going head-to-head against someone her own height, McCowan was clearly outplayed by Kalani Brown. So, while Teaira has great potential, she's still pretty raw. And the fact that Boyette went #10 in a less heralded draft (albeit one that looks pretty good in hindsight) makes me think McCowan isn't a lottery pick unless she shows significant improvement.



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PostPosted: 07/27/17 7:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The WNBA’s All-Star Foodie

http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-wnbas-all-star-foodie-tina-charles

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She has no trophy room displaying her two Olympic gold medals and numerous other awards and accolades. “I couldn’t even tell you where my league MVP trophy is that I got in 2012,” she admits.



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Any update on Z?



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As per Lenn Robbins on Twitter Z's injury is "less serious" than a broken wrist. He did not elaborate further but that's certainly good news. Z also strikes me as a player who can play through pain, within reason.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
As per Lenn Robbins on Twitter Z's injury is "less serious" than a broken wrist. He did not elaborate further but that's certainly good news. Z also strikes me as a player who can play through pain, within reason.


Libs' personal shill tells me we have no clue how bad but doubt she'll be in the lineup tomorrow



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Happycappie25 wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
As per Lenn Robbins on Twitter Z's injury is "less serious" than a broken wrist. He did not elaborate further but that's certainly good news. Z also strikes me as a player who can play through pain, within reason.


Libs' personal shill tells me we have no clue how bad but doubt she'll be in the lineup tomorrow



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PostPosted: 08/03/17 7:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Katie Smith, Associate Head Coach was at U23 Trials today.

its on Chicago Sky's IG she took a picture with Kelly Schumacher, just click on the Sky's logo on the top left hand corner


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PostPosted: 08/03/17 7:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wonder if Bill is starting to feel like Michael Corlene in The Godfather III

"Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in"

Just when the Liberty start to seem getting it together they have that
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Few WNBA teams take advantage of USA Under-23 camp

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — USA Basketball’s Under-23 camp was a WNBA scout’s dream.

When USA Basketball holds its annual Nike Hoop Summit, nearly every NBA team is there watching.

New York Liberty president Isiah Thomas saw the benefits of sending a representative to scout the camp.

“The training camp offers a unique opportunity for the New York Liberty to evaluate the top prospects for what appears to be exceptionally deep 2018 and 2019 draft classes,” Thomas told The Associated Press in an email. “I want to commend USA Basketball for putting together a competitive program, providing the players with an opportunity to showcase their talents. It was a priority for our organization to be on site and see firsthand the future superstars of the WNBA competing at the highest level, and we considered it to be a critical part of our process in planning for the draft.


Most WNBA teams scout in the winter when the league is out of season and players are competing for their college teams. There was a lull in the WNBA schedule this week with only two games played during the camp, which would have allowed more teams to show up.

“During the college season, it can be difficult to see games in person where WNBA prospects are matched up,” said Liberty director of basketball operations Dan Padover, who was at the camp all week. “At the U23 training camp, we had a chance to see the best playing the best. There are approximately 20 players in attendance that will likely be selected in the first two rounds of the 2018 and 2019 WNBA drafts.”

Padover also said the structure of the camp was helpful for evaluating not only skills.

“The format allowed us to see how quickly players could adjust to learning offensive sets, defensive schemes and playing with new teammates, a key consideration given how quickly they would need to adapt in a WNBA training camp,” Padover said.


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Final ten games. Not exactly an easy schedule, but we're home for 6 of them. if we want that #4 seed, 6-4 has to happen at least plus help from Washington & Phoenix. 7-3 can be done if Tina gets some help & Sugar & Prince get out of their shooting slump. We'll see what happens.

We have:
vs. Indiana
@ Atlanta
vs. Los Angeles
@ Connecticut
vs. Minnesota
@ Indiana
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Final ten games. Not exactly an easy schedule, but we're home for 6 of them. if we want that #4 seed, 6-4 has to happen at least plus help from Washington & Phoenix. 7-3 can be done if Tina gets some help & Sugar & Prince get out of their shooting slump. We'll see what happens.

We have:
vs. Indiana
@ Atlanta

vs. Los Angeles
@ Connecticut
vs. Minnesota
@ Indiana
vs. Washington
vs. Chicago
vs. San Antonio
@ Dallas


Games against teams lower in the standings - Liberty "should" win. I count 6.


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That Atlanta game would give us a tie breaker and 2 games in the loss column over every team chasing us for 7-8-9....barring a tank injury or complete collapase winning that game gets us in the playoffs with at least one home game...which is important even if we lose out of it from a revenue and marketing standpoint...so the next 2 games (In case Indiana pulls a rabbit out of their hat) should dictate where we are position wise enough to plan after that.

And we're a few wins away from it but we also have the tie breaker against PHX



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Washington & Phoenix are also slipping without their stars, Delle Donne & Griner. That #4 spot may not be decided until the final days.



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Washington & Phoenix are also slipping without their stars, Delle Donne & Griner. That #4 spot may not be decided until the final days.


Washington and Phoenix play each other twice in the next 2 weeks too. Delle Donne won't play but Griner is likely be available for the second game. Mercury can make up a lot of ground there.


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That Atlanta game would give us a tie breaker and 2 games in the loss column over every team chasing us for 7-8-9....barring a tank injury or complete collapase winning that game gets us in the playoffs with at least one home game...which is important even if we lose out of it from a revenue and marketing standpoint...so the next 2 games (In case Indiana pulls a rabbit out of their hat) should dictate where we are position wise enough to plan after that.

And we're a few wins away from it but we also have the tie breaker against PHX


Beating D.C. at home, without EDD (if she's out, it'll be close) would also give us a tiebreaker over them. I have a feeling that's the game that's going to wind up ultimately determining our seeding. Stealing one from the Lynx at home without Whalen isn't beyond the realm of possibility either.



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Dont get upset Liberty Fans... But

Maybe the best thing is to play our second team and see
what they can do with more playing time ...
be a lottery team instead of a one and done team in the playoffs

Does anyone remember how many years the Lynx
were a lottery team and many high draft picks and where they are now .

One and done does nothing for the Liberty...we have been in that position too many times



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Stealing one from the Lynx at home without Whalen isn't beyond the realm of possibility either.


Better not have an off day from Charles. Might be a good roll of the dice to start Zahui. She likes playing in Minnesota.



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The only game left vs. the Lynx is at MSG. That's why I was hoping to steal it.



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Dont get upset Liberty Fans... But

Maybe the best thing is to play our second team and see
what they can do with more playing time ...
be a lottery team instead of a one and done team in the playoffs

Does anyone remember how many years the Lynx
were a lottery team and many high draft picks and where they are now .

One and done does nothing for the Liberty...we have been in that position too many times


NORMALLY I'd actually say this isn't a terrible idea...tho as a rule of thumb I find tanking deplorable and is why I like the way they do it in Europe...the entire last place team gets sent to the minors!!!!

but there's a Biiiiiggggg BUT and I CANNOT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Libs are basically in a position where a full on tank would do very little in the case of a tie as they're ahead of both seattle and Dallas by winning the series

Add that with the Aggerigate rule...a GREAT rule....we're past the point of no return in terms of being anywhere but 4th best odds in the lottery so is the 4 pick worth that much in a draft this deep

So go for the home game revenue (which is where we are) use the bench MORE certainly but don't tank as there's nowhere to tank to...we're kinda stuck in 6th with maybe a shot if we play well to move up into 5th or get the bye

If we were like this in 7th I'd be singing a different tune and if we do fall to 8th at some point a MUCH different tune

But honestly...Given our needs...Deshields is likely off the board anyway by 4th...8th or 9th...likely greenwell...or Rebecca allen take 2...I'll chance that...you can always package to trade up



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PostPosted: 08/05/17 8:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Why should Liberty fans care about the home game revenue? I certainly don't. It's going into Jimmy Dolan's pocket, not mine and not the pockets of the Liberty players. (Or do the players get a little money if there's a home playoff game? Then I'll care a little, but still not much.)



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I never root against my team during the game. I'm just not built that way. However, I'm able to step back and look at the bigger picture. If the franchise doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I'm mentally able to say a loss is for the best and this allows me to get over the game pretty quickly. I don't see this Liberty team accomplishing much if they keep playing the same way while using the same people. Unless there's a significant change of some kind - personnel, style of play, execution level - then I'm in semi-tank mode. To me, it does matter where the team finishes even if they make the playoffs. I believe the trend of players leaving early is a real thing and will continue. Since NY has multiple needs, it's not some hopeless case if we don't get into the top two or three picks. There will be good players in the middle of the draft. A slot or two can make a big difference between getting someone we can use versus someone who will be stuck on the bench.



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The tank is going to be crowded in NY jumps in too. Dream are on a 5 game losing streak, Storm 3 and it's hard to count on the Sky or Wings to anything right for any length of time. It might pay though to look at the Storm to see how tanking might turn out, even with lucky ping pong balls.


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Yeah as bummed as we have been about the Lib the last few days they simply aren't bad enough to get into the lottery. If we assume SA and Indy got the lottery on lock then there are only two spots left for Chicago, Seattle, Atl, Dallas and us. We have the tie breaker with Seattle, Dallas and maybe Chi or Atl. Lets say we do a pitiful 3-7 in the last ten games that brings us to 15 wins that means that Seattle or Dallas would have to get to 16 wins, and Atl or Chicago would have to get to at least 15 wins, maybe 16 depending on the 3 games we win. That would mean these below .500 teams would have to win a majority of their remaining games to get past us. If we move up even to 4-6 in the last 10 it puts it almost out of reach, 5-5 gets to a point where Seattle or Chicago would have to win close to all of their games to get past us. I just don't see the lottery in the cards.

Also as HappyCappie pointed out if we do get in the lottery we are almost assure the #4 pick, still good but will #4 be that much better than #5-8.

without early entries
Wilson is likely #1
Deshields, K. Mitchell and G. Williams are possibly #2-4. OK I like all of them but all of them have some questions marks, OK well the list hurts my argument becuase I think Deshields or Williams would be a great answer for us at SF and K. Mitchell is a volume scorer but I wouldn't be surprised if after a short adjustment period she was a better scorer than either Rodgers or Prince, and she is probably closer to being a PG than anyone we have playing it this season (Besides back PG L. Allen), and if Stevens or another early entry candidate comes along we might even get to chose between two of those player.

But my Original point was supposed to be that the next tier of players could still have some great pieces for us, I think J. Canada could be a great option for us at PG similar to Boyd but probably better at everything she does (No offense to Boyd). Nared could have a break out season this year and be a great answer for us at SF, Nared is not as good as Gabby but she is 2 inches taller, plays most of her minutes on the wing and has a 3 point shot, a healthy Turner is probably better than Zahui B and Vaughn, Russell is a big question mark but she'll be another year away from injury, and is decent 6'7" scorer, splitting time with Stokes could work, even with questions about her toughness she would be the best scoring post to play with Charles since she has been in NY. I think Billings is an exciting athlete, after another season at UCLA she may devlop into the type of post that could be a nice all around compliment to Charles as a defender and a scorer. All these player (except Turner) were at the U23 games and I'm sure our scouts were figuring out who would be a great fit, and while a little less exciting with lower ceilings than the lottery options, I think these players have less question marks than the lottery picks not named Wilson, and will all be decent if not great..


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Forget about the lottery and focus on winning at this point. 6 of our last 10 are at home. 6 of our last 10 are also against teams with worse records than us. Even as up and down as we've been, chances are we win 6 of the last 10. 7 of 10 is reasonable too. So at 18-16 or 19-15 the lottery isn't happening.

The thing that I'm most disappointed about is not the 12-12. It's that the trade value of every one of our young players has taken a hit this year. If we were working with some trade value, I think where we finish would matter less because we'd have a ton of maneuverability. Even Sugar's trade value has taken a hit. I'm hoping the last ten games can enhance the trade value of some of our players. Playoffs too.



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You left out Stevens who could be a monkey wrench depending on what she does at UConn as a Senior...a post that we don't need but could push down someone into that 1A tier.

Tanking out of the playoffs is even more unrealistic now...in order of teams we need to PASS because I hope this shows how ludicrious this is

Remember we have 2 games in hand in Dallas (12-14)...and have the tie breaker only thing we have going in that scenario is that we could tank the final game on the road at dallas but they have only 8 to play to make up 3 maybe you change this to 2 since you do have the last game head to head but remember tie does no good...we have the head to head tie breaker.

Seattle and Atlanta both lost...now 3 back in the Loss column...while again if your thinking like this you can say we have the rubber match against Atlanta at McCamish so that would change things a bit...but that goes 6-7 does that make much difference...likely Canada either way in that case.

Seattle you have to make up essentially 4 games...and they have a tough schedule and are known to give up early. And no head to head. Seattle has 9 to play. One of those vs Minnesota.

Remember you have to pass all 3 to enter the lottery.

Chicago? 4 in the loss column and while you have one head to head...they only have 8 to play.

Now HERE is an Idea...and I do mean this seriously and I think gets you the best of both worlds.

Play for 6th or 7th if 8th happens it happens...You have already LA and Minnesota likely losses...So its At Atlanta and At Dallas (in a game that likely wont mean much) So if you are worried about draft position...the draft is deep enough you'll likely get a player who would be lottery around 5-7...fall into 8th you may very WELL get Gabby Williams if that's who you want again depending on what Stevens does.

So play hard until your near magic number 2 or 1 for 8th...given that we have 2 games in hand on Dallas and Chicago...1 on Atlanta and Seattle...that is likely 4 maybe 5 games....THEN...You start messing with the minutes and once we get the X...then yes you go into player development mode and Rest Tina for the playoffs...

REMEMBER: PLAYOFF Finish is irrevelant to the draft. If we make the semis from 8th we still pick 5th

But to tank out of the playoffs...we'd honestly have to go 0-10 or 1-9...and I just don't see that value in doing that in a draft deep enough that even the 8th or 9th pick may very well have more value than current lottery picks from last year...the draft is this good this year. We're pretty much locked into 5-7...

Also 6 home games...in renewal season...don't wanna spoil but there will be a reason the FO would want to see Ws posted at home this year as opposed to last renewal season. Remember not all STH are as committed as Rebkelleans they want wins at home...this IS a business...PERIOD.



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Forget about the lottery and focus on winning at this point. 6 of our last 10 are at home. 6 of our last 10 are also against teams with worse records than us. Even as up and down as we've been, chances are we win 6 of the last 10. 7 of 10 is reasonable too. So at 18-16 or 19-15 the lottery isn't happening.

The thing that I'm most disappointed about is not the 12-12. It's that the trade value of every one of our young players has taken a hit this year. If we were working with some trade value, I think where we finish would matter less because we'd have a ton of maneuverability. Even Sugar's trade value has taken a hit. I'm hoping the last ten games can enhance the trade value of some of our players. Playoffs too.


Thank you...I just posted in great detail why Tanking is NOT AN OPTION...and had to at least take position on just trying to tread water and throwing the chutes once we are close to clinching the playoffs...but I agree get the extra home game...plenty of good players to go around who we can use in the first round



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No need to tank in a strong draft. Even if we end up as high as the #4 seed, that would be pick #9. We clearly have the talent to take out any teams in the first & second rounds. Reaching the semis should be the Liberty's goal right now. Let's just hope Tina isn't too fatigued by the play-offs & both Sugar & Prince get out of their shooting slump.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Forget about the lottery and focus on winning at this point. 6 of our last 10 are at home. 6 of our last 10 are also against teams with worse records than us. Even as up and down as we've been, chances are we win 6 of the last 10. 7 of 10 is reasonable too. So at 18-16 or 19-15 the lottery isn't happening.

The thing that I'm most disappointed about is not the 12-12. It's that the trade value of every one of our young players has taken a hit this year. If we were working with some trade value, I think where we finish would matter less because we'd have a ton of maneuverability. Even Sugar's trade value has taken a hit. I'm hoping the last ten games can enhance the trade value of some of our players. Playoffs too.


Thank you...I just posted in great detail why Tanking is NOT AN OPTION...and had to at least take position on just trying to tread water and throwing the chutes once we are close to clinching the playoffs...but I agree get the extra home game...plenty of good players to go around who we can use in the first round


I agree. And I PM'ed you about bus to Mohegan FYI.



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PostPosted: 08/06/17 12:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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No need to tank in a strong draft. Even if we end up as high as the #4 seed, that would be pick #9. We clearly have the talent to take out any teams in the first & second rounds. Reaching the semis should be the Liberty's goal right now. Let's just hope Tina isn't too fatigued by the play-offs & both Sugar & Prince get out of their shooting slump.


And I'd say the 4 seed is far from impossible and I have the "anything can happen" mindset. Tiebreaker over Phoenix without Griner for now. Tiebreaker game against D.C. at home possibly without EDD. We've seen a 1-10 team make the finals in this league before. And while I agree with the thought that a late season run would mask our weaknesses, it would also say something if we could make a top 4 seed in these circumstances.



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Obviously, the team is going to try to win games. As I said before, I always root for the Liberty to win. However, I do think that we need to stay in the middle of the draft to safely get a good player who is also a good fit. This constant refrain of "it's a deep draft" is overplayed. You'd think that next year's draft is Griner, Delle Donne, Diggins times four. Folks, it's not "The Twelve To See." You're going to get a better player than normal at the bottom, but it doesn't mean every 1st Rounder is going to make an immediate impact or even be in your rotation. So, teams will likely need to stay in at least the middle of the draft to have choices. I can live with where we are right now at #7. #5 or #6 would be better, but I'm OK with #7. I don't want to draft at #9. It may turn out OK, but it's much more risky.

As far as raising the value of our current players go, if we could make them play better then NY would be a better team. That in itself would be reward enough. But improvement is not going to happen by itself. The coaching staff needs to be more creative. If they can pull it off, then this whole discussion about retooling becomes largely irrelevant.



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PostPosted: 08/06/17 12:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yes, anything can happen. But for me current talk of New York winning the #4 seed is just like earlier talk of winning the #2 seed. Just a lovely fantasy.



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Obviously, the team is going to try to win games. As I said before, I always root for the Liberty to win. However, I do think that we need to stay in the middle of the draft to safely get a good player who is also a good fit. This constant refrain of "it's a deep draft" is overplayed. You'd think that next year's draft is Griner, Delle Donne, Diggins times four. Folks, it's not "The Twelve To See." You're going to get a better player than normal at the bottom, but it doesn't mean every 1st Rounder is going to make an immediate impact or even be in your rotation. So, teams will likely need to stay in at least the middle of the draft to have choices. I can live with where we are right now at #7. #5 or #6 would be better, but I'm OK with #7. I don't want to draft at #9. It may turn out OK, but it's much more risky.

Given how capable of beating each other all those 5-10 teams are, I can't help feeling you might be better off finishing 7th/8th than battling up to something like 5th. A meaningfully better pick, and take your chances of winning on the road in the first round against a similarly mediocre team.

I'm sure teams will say they want home-court in the first round (or ideally to get up to 4th to skip it entirely), but they might actually be better off lower down.



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root_thing wrote:
This constant refrain of "it's a deep draft" is overplayed. You'd think that next year's draft is Griner, Delle Donne, Diggins times four. Folks, it's not "The Twelve To See."


Right - it is not even the one to see. Wilson is <<Griner/EDD. Mitchell and DD are probably < Diggins.


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But I feel anyone taken in the first round of the 2018 draft has tons of potential and may not have the star power of Griner, Delle Donne or Diggins, but certainly enough to be a starter on some teams or at least a 6th woman type.



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But I feel anyone taken in the first round of the 2018 draft has tons of potential and may not have the star power of Griner, Delle Donne or Diggins, but certainly enough to be a starter on some teams or at least a 6th woman type.


I think you are right about that.


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I'm not a WCBB expert. Far from. But I've seen Kia Nurse and Lexie Brown a number of times. Each is projected in the late first round range. To me, they're both immediate WNBA rotation players who would be a big help to the Libs, especially given they basically have two needs. Guard who can score/pass/handle and defend the rim. To me, either of those players fills the guard need and the rim defense can either improve from within or through trade. Even with a hit in trade value, there's teams Sugar would be valuable to, for instance.



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I'm not a WCBB expert. Far from. But I've seen Kia Nurse and Lexie Brown a number of times. Each is projected in the late first round range. To me, they're both immediate WNBA rotation players who would be a big help to the Libs, especially given they basically have two needs. Guard who can score/pass/handle and defend the rim. To me, either of those players fills the guard need and the rim defense can either improve from within or through trade. Even with a hit in trade value, there's teams Sugar would be valuable to, for instance.


If you're looking for someone who can play PG at the pro level, Nurse is not your girl.

She's going to be an excellent defender though. I think she's capable of being a Beard type player.



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I know Nurse isn't a PG. But I'll settle if she's what's available. She has a good floor game and that's needed by the Libs on the wing as well. Not to mention it's hard to get by without a 6'0" wing player or one who plays similarly big. Nurse would dearly help the Libs matchup-wise if she's available.



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I also would like to stay in the 5 to 7 range for the players I like.This is a deep draft. It is not as strong at the top but I think late 1st round and some second round will be rotation players.


Wilson, Deshields, Mitchell, Williams, Turner, Canada, Billings, Brown, Nared, Nurse, Vadeeva, that is 12 right there, Vivians, Thomas, Scaife, Greenwell, Mavunga, Harper, Atkins, Macarty, That is 20 and i am sure there is another decent 4 or 5 I am forgetting and that doesn't include any early entries add say Stevens and Mcgowan and the draft is deep with legit roster making player.


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Just got through watching Phoenix lose to D.C. Could really have used a D.C. loss. Between the unforced Phoenix turnovers, Toliver's circus shots and Phoenix yielding offensive rebounds it was about as infuriating a game I've seen where I wasn't a fan of either team.

Plus side. A win Tuesday puts the Libs at #5. Two games out of 4th.



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mercfan3 wrote:

If you're looking for someone who can play PG at the pro level, Nurse is not your girl.


Could be starting at PG for UConn. It'll be interesting to see how they work out all the talent on their roster.



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I'm not sold on Nurse as a WNBA-type PG. We'll see how well she transitions to the next level.



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Me neither. True PGs can take years to master the WNBA. Draft her to be a point forward and leave her in that role to develop those skills.

And a 6'0" PG is unlikely to push tempo unless they have the type of game similar to Nikki Teasley. Tempo is needed in the WNBA. Nurse might help with that on the wing. She won't as a team's primary ball handler.



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Skylar Diggins has more blocked shots per 36 minutes than Kia Vaughn. Just leaving that here.



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J-Spoon wrote:
I also would like to stay in the 5 to 7 range for the players I like.This is a deep draft. It is not as strong at the top but I think late 1st round and some second round will be rotation players.


Wilson, Deshields, Mitchell, Williams, Turner, Canada, Billings, Brown, Nared, Nurse, Vadeeva, that is 12 right there, Vivians, Thomas, Scaife, Greenwell, Mavunga, Harper, Atkins, Macarty, That is 20 and i am sure there is another decent 4 or 5 I am forgetting and that doesn't include any early entries add say Stevens and Mcgowan and the draft is deep with legit roster making player.


yeah its deep with solid Prospects players, i think Wilson and Mitchell are my 2 locks to be immediate impact. Gabby, Deshields and Canada can be impact if they are on the right team/fit

Gabby, Mitchell, Nared, Canada, Billings, and L. Brown, i'd be happy with in the 1st round

i watched some of the U23 trails of the Gold Medal game, Mitchell, Canada, Nared, Billings, Harper and Atkins caught my eye

and also keep an eye on Raigyne Moncrief from LSU this season coming up, great mid range game, great speed and great defense. she would be a nice sleeper pick in the 2nd or 3rd round


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