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PostPosted: 09/24/16 5:46 pm    ::: Seattle Storm 2017 Reply Reply with quote

Upgrading the center position should be the #1 priority this off season.The player I would target is A.Henry.She's long,athletic and defensive minded.Bone and Achonwa are not starter material imo.The last thing seattle needs is a soft or undersize center.However,I do believe Achonwa would be a good addition to the bench.Acquiring a wing who can defend and knock down a open shot(O'Hea) would also help.I love Alysha as a player/person,but playing alongside the diminutive Loyd only magnifies the lack of height/length at SF.Alysha is not a starter on a championship caliber team unless the storm can acquire a defensive/rebounding center and good backup SF(O'Hea).Coach Boucek dropped the ball when she shorten the rotation(O'Hea)

Centers on Seattle's radar:

A.Henry
S.Dolson
k.Vaughn
M.Tolo
N.Achonwa(bench)
K.Bone(bench)

Seattle does not have enough assets to get Lavender,unless they're willing to part with Loyd.The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If Anchonwa isnt starter material then Henry certainly isnt..All those posts you listed are better then Henry and i would take them over Henry in a heartbeat. I dont see her as a lot better then Thomas tbh.


We just need some more size at center. Anchonwa would be my first choice. Dolson as my 2nd target behind Anchonwa mainly because she rather plays face up then with her back to the basket. I like Tolo too but i dont want to depend on another aussie who will put the Opals first, too much. The center for the Storm doesnt have to score a lot. Just rebound and defend hard and be active in the pick&roll.



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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Your top target is a center who apparently had a season long ankle injury that never got better and barely played? Eek.

Also she signed a two year deal with Connecticut. So who should they trade to get her?




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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Your top target is a center who apparently had a season long ankle injury that never got better and barely played? Eek.


How did she do in the minutes that she played? Sorry we cant expect that another top center in this league leaves her team for the Storm Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If Anchonwa isnt starter material then Henry certainly isnt..All those posts you listed are better then Henry and i would take them over Henry in a heartbeat. I dont see her as a lot better then Thomas tbh.


We just need some more size at center. Anchonwa would be my first choice. Dolson as my 2nd target behind Anchonwa mainly because she rather plays face up then with her back to the basket. I like Tolo too but i dont want to depend on another aussie who will put the Opals first, too much. The center for the Storm doesnt have to score a lot. Just rebound and defend hard and be active in the pick&roll.


Henry is 6'4,athletic with a long wingspan and defensive minded.I put Henry first on my list because she will not cost much.Don't know what peoples fascination is with Achonwa.She's done nothing in this league to be a starter.She's undersize and not a very good interior defender.Bench player ? Yes.starter ? No.




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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I had the same response as you guys. What? Checked the calendar, and it's not April.

Henry might be free if you're patient enough.



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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If Anchonwa isnt starter material then Henry certainly isnt..All those posts you listed are better then Henry and i would take them over Henry in a heartbeat. I dont see her as a lot better then Thomas tbh.


We just need some more size at center. Anchonwa would be my first choice. Dolson as my 2nd target behind Anchonwa mainly because she rather plays face up then with her back to the basket. I like Tolo too but i dont want to depend on another aussie who will put the Opals first, too much. The center for the Storm doesnt have to score a lot. Just rebound and defend hard and be active in the pick&roll.


Henry is 6'4,athletic with a long wingspan and defensive minded.I put Henry first on my list because she will not cost much.Don't know what peoples fascination is with Achonwa.She's done nothing in this league to be a starter.She's undersize and not a very good interior defender.Bench player ? Yes.starter ? No.


What has Henry done in this league so far? I wouldnt mind if the Storm would pick her up if she gets cut by the Sun. But she signed a 2 year contract with them i believe and if its a big one then no thanks.



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Would you trade KML for Henry?



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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If Anchonwa isnt starter material then Henry certainly isnt..All those posts you listed are better then Henry and i would take them over Henry in a heartbeat. I dont see her as a lot better then Thomas tbh.


We just need some more size at center. Anchonwa would be my first choice. Dolson as my 2nd target behind Anchonwa mainly because she rather plays face up then with her back to the basket. I like Tolo too but i dont want to depend on another aussie who will put the Opals first, too much. The center for the Storm doesnt have to score a lot. Just rebound and defend hard and be active in the pick&roll.


Henry is 6'4,athletic with a long wingspan and defensive minded.I put Henry first on my list because she will not cost much.Don't know what peoples fascination is with Achonwa.She's done nothing in this league to be a starter.She's undersize and not a very good interior defender.Bench player ? Yes.starter ? No.


What has Henry done in this league so far? I wouldnt mind if the Storm would pick her up if she gets cut by the Sun. But she signed a 2 year contract with them i believe and if its a big one then no thanks.


Henry is a better defender and shot blocker than Achonwa.She also has the size/length to guard centers that are 6'4/6'5 unlike Achonwa.


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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Would you trade KML for Henry?


No.

I'd offer Connecticut a 1st rd pick.Seattle should not make any offers for Henry until draft night.


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PostPosted: 09/24/16 6:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If Anchonwa isnt starter material then Henry certainly isnt..All those posts you listed are better then Henry and i would take them over Henry in a heartbeat. I dont see her as a lot better then Thomas tbh.


We just need some more size at center. Anchonwa would be my first choice. Dolson as my 2nd target behind Anchonwa mainly because she rather plays face up then with her back to the basket. I like Tolo too but i dont want to depend on another aussie who will put the Opals first, too much. The center for the Storm doesnt have to score a lot. Just rebound and defend hard and be active in the pick&roll.


Henry is 6'4,athletic with a long wingspan and defensive minded.I put Henry first on my list because she will not cost much.Don't know what peoples fascination is with Achonwa.She's done nothing in this league to be a starter.She's undersize and not a very good interior defender.Bench player ? Yes.starter ? No.


What has Henry done in this league so far? I wouldnt mind if the Storm would pick her up if she gets cut by the Sun. But she signed a 2 year contract with them i believe and if its a big one then no thanks.


Henry is a better defender and shot blocker than Achonwa.She also has the size/length to guard centers that are 6'4/6'5 unlike Achonwa.


We already have a defensive minded center in Krystal Thomas. Henry might be a bit better but not that much to be our first target

And no i wouldnt trade KML for Henry. The Sun are not going to play her anyway with Chiney 100% back and Jones playing well.



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Shades wrote:
Would you trade KML for Henry?


No.

I'd offer Connecticut a 1st rd pick.Seattle should not make any offers for Henry until draft night.


If Russell enters the draft, that might push Coates down to that #6 territory.



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Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Would you trade KML for Henry?


No.

I'd offer Connecticut a 1st rd pick.Seattle should not make any offers for Henry until draft night.


If Russell enters the draft, that might push Coates down to that #6 territory.


Exactly why I said no offers until draft night.See who's coming out first.


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I got reservations as she's greatly upticked in value recently but what about Carolyn Swords it'd be a huge post in the 3rd year gamble on Zahui and Stokes but we are desperate for a 3...I'd say clark with libs providing filler (Draft pick, Schimmel etc)

Honestly I'd shave off the 3 to open up some time for stewart to play there and get tok more minutes, Think that would open up more options...agree a true center is a huge need and well the Libs need 3s



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A smaller NY/Seattle deal I think both teams might consider would be Schimmel for O'Hea. Schimmel could be better next season and could be mentored by Bird, Shoni has some Lawson in her and Jenny B. worked well with Lawson in Sac and Schimmel has local appeal. O'Hea lost all her minutes in Seattle to KML and Seattle still has Wright as well, so why not trade O'Hea for someone who will help at the box office and might still develop.

O'Hea is a big guard, tough defender and shoots the three I'm pretty sure Laimbeer kind find some minutes for her.

With that said I still want Shoni to come back to the Liberty next season and kill it and make everyone eat their words, but I could see both teams considering this move.

Back to Seattle, they really don't have to do too much Loyd and Stewart are only going to get better. But I agree they need a banger. B. Jones might still be on the board at #6 could she help? Langhorne for Alexander?


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With Stewart (& Loyd) in Seattle, maybe a FA center will want to come to Seattle? Does Atlanta hold the rights to Dantas? I don't think Tolo is starter material.



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J-Spoon wrote:
A smaller NY/Seattle deal I think both teams might consider would be Schimmel for O'Hea.

New york should definitely make a schimmel for O'Hea offer to the storm.Boucek obviously has no use for Jenna.However,If I were seattle I would avoid any one for one deal involving S.Schimmel.The last thing seattle needs is more undersize slow defenders.Since Boucek has no interest in playing Jenna.What seattle should do is offer O'Hea to NY for Allen.
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Back to Seattle, they really don't have to do too much Loyd and Stewart are only going to get better. But I agree they need a banger. B. Jones might still be on the board at #6 could she help? Langhorne for Alexander?


I'm almost 100% sure Langhorne will be a free agent.Alexander would be a nice pickup.

toad455 wrote:
With Stewart (& Loyd) in Seattle, maybe a FA center will want to come to Seattle? Does Atlanta hold the rights to Dantas? I don't think Tolo is starter material.


I don't see Cooper trading Dantas.Especially with injury prone Sancho being 33 yrs old.Dantas is only 23 and has lots of upside.Dantas and Williams are the future.


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PostPosted: 09/25/16 8:05 am    ::: Re: Seattle Storm 2017 Reply Reply with quote

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Upgrading the center position should be the #1 priority this off season.The player I would target is A.Henry.She's long,athletic and defensive minded.Bone and Achonwa are not starter material imo.The last thing seattle needs is a soft or undersize center.However,I do believe Achonwa would be a good addition to the bench.Acquiring a wing who can defend and knock down a open shot(O'Hea) would also help.I love Alysha as a player/person,but playing alongside the diminutive Loyd only magnifies the lack of height/length at SF.Alysha is not a starter on a championship caliber team unless the storm can acquire a defensive/rebounding center and good backup SF(O'Hea).Coach Boucek dropped the ball when she shorten the rotation(O'Hea)

Centers on Seattle's radar:

A.Henry
S.Dolson
k.Vaughn
M.Tolo
N.Achonwa(bench)
K.Bone(bench)

Seattle does not have enough assets to get Lavender,unless they're willing to part with Loyd.The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


Lavender isn't even in Loyd class.



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Lavender isn't even in Loyd class.


I agree......however,Loyd(stewart) is the only player on seattle LA would want back in any potential Lavender trade.Jantel is no bum.If she started for the storm she'd average 15p/8r/2a/1b/50%/80%.Back to reality,Seattle is not trading Loyd.That's why I used the word "unless".Seattle weakened their chances of landing Lavender when they made the playoffs.


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The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


This is what i want too. And earlier in the season this was also the combination that Boucek used. O'Hea got into a shooting slump and she was axed out of the rotation by Boucek Confused and didnt get a new chance because then KML started to find her shot and Boucek went with Quinn as the backup point instead of Loyd. So when Bird rests the line-up was Quinn, Loyd and KML



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The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


This is what i want too. And earlier in the season this was also the combination that Boucek used. O'Hea got into a shooting slump and she was axed out of the rotation by Boucek Confused and didnt get a new chance because then KML started to find her shot and Boucek went with Quinn as the backup point instead of Loyd. So when Bird rests the line-up was Quinn, Loyd and KML


Or maybe she developed a nagging injury that rendered her less effective which she just had surgery on...


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Michelle89 wrote:
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The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


This is what i want too. And earlier in the season this was also the combination that Boucek used. O'Hea got into a shooting slump and she was axed out of the rotation by Boucek Confused and didnt get a new chance because then KML started to find her shot and Boucek went with Quinn as the backup point instead of Loyd. So when Bird rests the line-up was Quinn, Loyd and KML


Or maybe she developed a nagging injury that rendered her less effective which she just had surgery on...


Then why not be honest and bring out a report as the Seattle Storm normally do. Same goes for Monica Wright. Was she healthy or not? Even Fain and the other commentator didnt say/knew what was going on.



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Michelle89 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
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The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


This is what i want too. And earlier in the season this was also the combination that Boucek used. O'Hea got into a shooting slump and she was axed out of the rotation by Boucek Confused and didnt get a new chance because then KML started to find her shot and Boucek went with Quinn as the backup point instead of Loyd. So when Bird rests the line-up was Quinn, Loyd and KML


Or maybe she developed a nagging injury that rendered her less effective which she just had surgery on...


Then why not be honest and bring out a report as the Seattle Storm normally do. Same goes for Monica Wright. Was she healthy or not? Even Fain and the other commentator didnt say/knew what was going on.


Exactly....we're not mind readers.If a team doesn't report a players injuries to the media the only thing we can assume is that the player is healthy.


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Don't know what peoples fascination is with Achonwa.She's done nothing in this league to be a starter.She's undersize and not a very good interior defender.Bench player ? Yes.starter ? No.


The reason why we haven't seen it is because Achonwa isn't going to get the minutes in Indiana. But she's definitely got some skills, and she played well in the games she started in 2015.



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Don't know what peoples fascination is with Achonwa.She's done nothing in this league to be a starter.


People were thinking the same thing about Clarendon, and then BAMM, now people love her in ATL.

Natasha Howard only got like scant minutes in the Finals last year, and BAMM, she's not getting scant minutes anymore.

Is there a pattern here with IND? It's a pattern worth exploring, especially considering Achonwa was in the ROY race in the first half of 2015.



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Has the way the draft is done changed?



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@ mavcarter & Shades

As i've already mentioned in my first post I'm not opposed to the idea of Seattle acquiring Achonwa as a top 8 rotation player.I'm just not convinced Natalie is what seattle needs at the starting center position.I'd like to see the storm bring in a post who has enough size/legnth to guard the opposing teams best post player and take some of the defensive reponsibilities away from Stewart.Achonwa is a better offensive player than Henry,Aneika is the better defender.If Seattle acquired Achonwa & Henry,that would be even better.Again...Achonwa would be a great pick up for seattle.






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zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
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The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


This is what i want too. And earlier in the season this was also the combination that Boucek used. O'Hea got into a shooting slump and she was axed out of the rotation by Boucek Confused and didnt get a new chance because then KML started to find her shot and Boucek went with Quinn as the backup point instead of Loyd. So when Bird rests the line-up was Quinn, Loyd and KML


Or maybe she developed a nagging injury that rendered her less effective which she just had surgery on...


Then why not be honest and bring out a report as the Seattle Storm normally do. Same goes for Monica Wright. Was she healthy or not? Even Fain and the other commentator didnt say/knew what was going on.


Exactly....we're not mind readers.If a team doesn't report a players injuries to the media the only thing we can assume is that the player is healthy.


You're right. No one is a mind reader. And the coach has ZERO reason to explain why someone is or isn't playing.

So why make assumptions at all? You don't have to speculate if someone's in a dog house or injured. Just try to figure out how to make the team better without speculating on a coach's mindset.

For example, how about signing UFA Camille Little? Perfect fit for the Storm.


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Force10rulz wrote:
Has the way the draft is done changed?


http://www.wnba.com/news/wnba-announces-rules-changes-to-draft-lottery-format/


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For example, how about signing UFA Camille Little? Perfect fit for the Storm.

Yeah, another undersized post who'd leave Stewart providing all the length in the paint and doing even more rebounding than she had to next to Langhorne.



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You're right. No one is a mind reader. And the coach has ZERO reason to explain why someone is or isn't playing.

So why make assumptions at all? You don't have to speculate if someone's in a dog house or injured. Just try to figure out how to make the team better without speculating on a coach's mindset.

For example, how about signing UFA Camille Little? Perfect fit for the Storm.


My opinion on O'Hea's playing time is based on the boxscore.In the espn Dream/Storm boxscore O'Hea is list as "DNP COACH'S DECISION".This is a message board.We give our opinions based on the information that is available to us.If Jenna did have a recurring/nagging injury,keeping it a secret did not help seattle beat atlanta.




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dtsnms wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Quote:
The storm can strengthen the SF position by just giving O'Hea 16-22 minutes per game.Clark/O'Hea would be a nice SF duo.


This is what i want too. And earlier in the season this was also the combination that Boucek used. O'Hea got into a shooting slump and she was axed out of the rotation by Boucek Confused and didnt get a new chance because then KML started to find her shot and Boucek went with Quinn as the backup point instead of Loyd. So when Bird rests the line-up was Quinn, Loyd and KML


Or maybe she developed a nagging injury that rendered her less effective which she just had surgery on...


Then why not be honest and bring out a report as the Seattle Storm normally do. Same goes for Monica Wright. Was she healthy or not? Even Fain and the other commentator didnt say/knew what was going on.


Exactly....we're not mind readers.If a team doesn't report a players injuries to the media the only thing we can assume is that the player is healthy.


You're right. No one is a mind reader. And the coach has ZERO reason to explain why someone is or isn't playing.

So why make assumptions at all? You don't have to speculate if someone's in a dog house or injured. Just try to figure out how to make the team better without speculating on a coach's mindset.

For example, how about signing UFA Camille Little? Perfect fit for the Storm.


Yeah, she's such a perfect fit for them. That explains why they traded her to CON in the first place (a place she didn't want to go). Are they going to say we were wrong? Are they going to say it was worth trading her and Stricklen for KML and Monty, who eventually turned into bench-entrenched Monica Wright? Loyalty means nothing to Little?

I think Agler and the Sparks are the more likely destination if she were to leave CON. She blossomed under Agler.... won a championship with him. Agler likes them experienced, unlike CON apparently.



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Any WNBA franchise's first obligation is to do what's best for the team. Unless froced, announcing to other teams and coaches who is and is not available, and why, is counterproductive.

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Yeah, she's such a perfect fit for them. That explains why they traded her to CON in the first place (a place she didn't want to go). Are they going to say we were wrong? Are they going to say it was worth trading her and Stricklen for KML and Monty, who eventually turned into bench-entrenched Monica Wright? Loyalty means nothing to Little?

I think Agler and the Sparks are the more likely destination if she were to leave CON. She blossomed under Agler.... won a championship with him. Agler likes them experienced, unlike CON apparently.


Shades, this whole rant of yours here makes no sense. You give up something to get something. They wanted the draft pick and Montgomery. They never said they didn't like her or didn't want her.

They certainly didn't expect Wright to not produce, I'm sure they expected more of KML by now too. You don't make trades in order to not get results.

Did you notice there's a 6'4 part of the team that wasn't there when they made the trade? Think it might have made a difference who they gave up? Think Montgomery might have wanted to stay? What makes you think she didn't want to go to Connecticut by the way? I don't recall any public statements about that.

Didn't they bring back Noelle Quinn who they let go previously?

All is speculation, and I may be right or not. But what you are saying is not accurate, especially the part about why she would be leaving Connecticut.

I love the way you sit on the sidelines in threads now and then come in and nastily shoot down whatever anyone else has to say before making your own crazy speculation.


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ClayK wrote:
Any WNBA franchise's first obligation is to do what's best for the team. Unless froced, announcing to other teams and coaches who is and is not available, and why, is counterproductive.

The more an opposing coach knows, the better he or she can prepare. The last, the worse…



Thanks Clay, exactly right.


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If Jenna O'Hea was a certain other aussie there would be a report for sure Wink The Storm have always been pretty honest about injuries so excuse me for being suprised when a solid rotation player vanishes from the rotation and a player that the coach adores doesnt even see the court untill garbage time.

Jenna and Monica Wright got minutes in garbage time so if they were dealing with injuries Boucek wouldnt take that risk. So for me that's why i think it's strange



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dtsnms wrote:
ClayK wrote:
Any WNBA franchise's first obligation is to do what's best for the team. Unless froced, announcing to other teams and coaches who is and is not available, and why, is counterproductive.

The more an opposing coach knows, the better he or she can prepare. The last, the worse…



Thanks Clay, exactly right.


I understand where you both are coming from, but I don't think it's too unreasonable for fans of a team to wonder why players aren't playing. I mean, we are paying money to support their product.

I think Monica Wright and Jenna O'hea are the players in question right? It's not like these two players are heavy in the rotation to the point where it would throw off opposing coaches.



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Michelle89 wrote:
If Jenna O'Hea was a certain other aussie there would be a report for sure Wink The Storm have always been pretty honest about injuries so excuse me for being suprised when a solid rotation player vanishes from the rotation and a player that the coach adores doesnt even see the court untill garbage time.

Jenna and Monica Wright got minutes in garbage time so if they were dealing with injuries Boucek wouldnt take that risk. So for me that's why i think it's strange


Great observation....


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Storm should core Langhorne and then offer her to the Liberty for Swords



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zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If Jenna O'Hea was a certain other aussie there would be a report for sure Wink The Storm have always been pretty honest about injuries so excuse me for being suprised when a solid rotation player vanishes from the rotation and a player that the coach adores doesnt even see the court untill garbage time.

Jenna and Monica Wright got minutes in garbage time so if they were dealing with injuries Boucek wouldnt take that risk. So for me that's why i think it's strange


Great observation....


Okay, so the Storm coaching staff and management should sit down and say we have 12 players on the roster, and since 2 of them aren't playing a lot we should release why we aren't playing a lot to our fans, so they can discuss it on Rebkell.

Do you guys think things through sometimes? You don't know who they are thinking of playing when. What is the benefit to them of releasing the info?


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Storm should core Langhorne and then offer her to the Liberty for Swords


so a (maybe) 6'1" 30 year old for a 6'6" 28 year old? And having to pay the upper cored salary as opposed to a mid vet salary. And for someone to play behind Tina Charles as opposed to a starter? Doesn't sound like something LFO would jump at.

I could see Lang in Atlanta though...but what would you want in exchange?



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Shades, this whole rant of yours here makes no sense. You give up something to get something. They wanted the draft pick and Montgomery.


Yep, players never take trades personally. Is that what you really believe? Considering there are only 12 teams in the league, it is fairly rare for a player to return to a team that cut or trade them. I can think of 4 instances in the more modern era.

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They never said they didn't like her or didn't want her.

Do you really expect them to say that, but actions speak louder than words.

dtsnms wrote:
Did you notice there's a 6'4 part of the team that wasn't there when they made the trade? Think it might have made a difference who they gave up?


Talk about not making sense. No names... just they's

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Think Montgomery might have wanted to stay?


Stay where, in CON? No, I'm sure she was fed up with all that.
In SEA? Who knows, but I'm sure the thought of the good possibility of winning a championship eased any pain. Why are we talking about Montgomery?

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What makes you think she didn't want to go to Connecticut by the way? I don't recall any public statements about that.


I posted an article where Donovan spoke of heavily pursuing her in RFA, but Little refused to sign an offer sheet. Had to trade for her instead. I believe Bone said in the same article that it was hard to lure FA's to CON because it wasn't a choice destination.

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Didn't they bring back Noelle Quinn who they let go previously?


They wanted somebody with some knowledge of working with Bird to help make a playoff run at the end of the season. Not sure how this similar to Little being a perfect fit with the Storm? You never even bothered explaining why Little is a perfect fit for the Storm. No effort. And then you get mad when somebody disagrees with you.

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All is speculation, and I may be right or not. But what you are saying is not accurate, especially the part about why she would be leaving Connecticut.


Why would she be leaving? You seem to be in favor of her leaving.

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I love the way you sit on the sidelines in threads now and then come in and nastily shoot down whatever anyone else has to say before making your own crazy speculation.


Oh here's your obligatory personal shot. I sit on the sidelines? This sounds like you. There was nothing nasty about my post. I disagreed. I explained why I disagreed and gave a better alternative. If that's being nasty, I wish more people more nasty. You just hate when anybody disagrees with you.



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Shades wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
Shades, this whole rant of yours here makes no sense. You give up something to get something. They wanted the draft pick and Montgomery.


Yep, players never take trades personally. Is that what you really believe? Considering there are only 12 teams in the league, it is fairly rare for a player to return to a team that cut or trade them. I can think of 4 instances in the more modern era.

dtsnms wrote:
They never said they didn't like her or didn't want her.

Do you really expect them to say that, but actions speak louder than words.

dtsnms wrote:
Did you notice there's a 6'4 part of the team that wasn't there when they made the trade? Think it might have made a difference who they gave up?


Talk about not making sense. No names... just they's

dtsnms wrote:
Think Montgomery might have wanted to stay?


Stay where, in CON? No, I'm sure she was fed up with all that.
In SEA? Who knows, but I'm sure the thought of the good possibility of winning a championship eased any pain. Why are we talking about Montgomery?

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What makes you think she didn't want to go to Connecticut by the way? I don't recall any public statements about that.


I posted an article where Donovan spoke of heavily pursuing her in RFA, but Little refused to sign an offer sheet. Had to trade for her instead. I believe Bone said in the same article that it was hard to lure FA's to CON because it wasn't a choice destination.

dtsnms wrote:
Didn't they bring back Noelle Quinn who they let go previously?


They wanted somebody with some knowledge of working with Bird to help make a playoff run at the end of the season. Not sure how this similar to Little being a perfect fit with the Storm? You never even bothered explaining why Little is a perfect fit for the Storm. No effort. And then you get mad when somebody disagrees with you.

dtsnms wrote:
All is speculation, and I may be right or not. But what you are saying is not accurate, especially the part about why she would be leaving Connecticut.


Why would she be leaving? You seem to be in favor of her leaving.

dtsnms wrote:
I love the way you sit on the sidelines in threads now and then come in and nastily shoot down whatever anyone else has to say before making your own crazy speculation.


Oh here's your obligatory personal shot. I sit on the sidelines? This sounds like you. There was nothing nasty about my post. I disagreed. I explained why I disagreed and gave a better alternative. If that's being nasty, I wish more people more nasty. You just hate when anybody disagrees with you.


Eh see below, I decided to indulge one more time....




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dtsnms wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If Jenna O'Hea was a certain other aussie there would be a report for sure Wink The Storm have always been pretty honest about injuries so excuse me for being suprised when a solid rotation player vanishes from the rotation and a player that the coach adores doesnt even see the court untill garbage time.

Jenna and Monica Wright got minutes in garbage time so if they were dealing with injuries Boucek wouldnt take that risk. So for me that's why i think it's strange


Great observation....


Okay, so the Storm coaching staff and management should sit down and say we have 12 players on the roster, and since 2 of them aren't playing a lot we should release why we aren't playing a lot to our fans, so they can discuss it on Rebkell.

Do you guys think things through sometimes? You don't know who they are thinking of playing when. What is the benefit to them of releasing the info?


What in the hell are you rambling about ? I never criticized Boucek or seattle management for withholding information.You came in this thread talking about "we shouldn't speculate about who's in a dog house or injured".Seattle just blew a double digit lead to a team that was missing two starters.A great 3pt shooter and very good defender played zero minutes.Are we suppose to just stay silent and not say anything about it ?


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For arguments sake though

Yep, players never take trades personally. Is that what you really believe? Considering there are only 12 teams in the league, it is fairly rare for a player to return to a team that cut or trade them. I can think of 4 instances in the more modern era.


Hmmm, she didn't want to go, but she wouldn't want to return? To a playoff team to play with Bird and Stewie? Okay....


Do you really expect them to say that, but actions speak louder than words.


They wanted the pick and Montgomery, so they had to trade her. Why does that say they didn't like her?

Talk about not making sense. No names... just they's

Uh, Stewart perhaps? Really? I said there's now a 6'4 player that might have impacted trades and who they traded. You don't think having Stewie then would have impacted that decision?

Stay where, in CON? No, I'm sure she was fed up with all that.
In SEA? Who knows, but I'm sure the thought of the good possibility of winning a championship eased any pain. Why are we talking about Montgomery?


Because you brought up the trade of Little, and Montgomery went to Seattle, and then asked for a trade to a contender. If Stewart were there, you don't think Renee would've wanted to maybe stay with Stewie and Bird?

I posted an article where Donovan spoke of heavily pursuing her in RFA, but Little refused to sign an offer sheet. Had to trade for her instead. I believe Bone said in the same article that it was hard to lure FA's to CON because it wasn't a choice destination.


Little didn't want to leave Seattle. She didn't sign an offer sheet with anyone. She must hate LA too then.

They wanted somebody with some knowledge of working with Bird to help make a playoff run at the end of the season. Not sure how this similar to Little being a perfect fit with the Storm? You never even bothered explaining why Little is a perfect fit for the Storm. No effort. And then you get mad when somebody disagrees with you.


Okay, so a post that knows the system and has won a title with Bird doesn't fit as well as a guard that knows the system. They'd bring back Quinn for experience, but not Little. That makes no sense at all.

Why would she be leaving? You seem to be in favor of her leaving.

Where did I say that?

Oh here's your obligatory personal shot. I sit on the sidelines? This sounds like you. There was nothing nasty about my post. I disagreed. I explained why I disagreed and gave a better alternative. If that's being nasty, I wish more people more nasty. You just hate when anybody disagrees with you.

I guess nastiness and condescending posts are in the eye of the beholder. You think you're neither of those and I can think of several posters (no, I'm not going to name names sorry again), that would agree with me.

Would you like to know what I really don't like? A person that sits behind a keyboard and doesn't talk to anyone in the league that thinks they know how to read minds and posts their conclusions as facts. Perfect example, all season I saw from you that Curt Miller loves draft picks so he should trade all veterans for 2017 picks etc. etc. What a load of crap. Just because a coach turned over players that didn't want to be there for young talent it doesn't mean he doesn't like veterans. In fact, he gave Bone and Little starting spots in camp from day one. I cover the team, I cover the league. I know what I'm talking about. You don't seem to get that part or care what people who actually know something have to say.

Just because not everything can be said publicly at the time doesn't mean people don't know things. No further replies are necessary.




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zune69 wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If Jenna O'Hea was a certain other aussie there would be a report for sure Wink The Storm have always been pretty honest about injuries so excuse me for being suprised when a solid rotation player vanishes from the rotation and a player that the coach adores doesnt even see the court untill garbage time.

Jenna and Monica Wright got minutes in garbage time so if they were dealing with injuries Boucek wouldnt take that risk. So for me that's why i think it's strange


Great observation....


Okay, so the Storm coaching staff and management should sit down and say we have 12 players on the roster, and since 2 of them aren't playing a lot we should release why we aren't playing a lot to our fans, so they can discuss it on Rebkell.

Do you guys think things through sometimes? You don't know who they are thinking of playing when. What is the benefit to them of releasing the info?


What in the hell are you rambling about ? I never criticized Boucek or seattle management for withholding information.You came in this thread talking about "we shouldn't speculate about who's in a dog house or injured".Seattle just blew a double digit lead to a team that was missing two starters.A great 3pt shooter and very good defender played zero minutes.Are we suppose to just stay silent and not say anything about it ?


I guess my comprehension is gone, because I thought for sure people were saying that Boucek mismanaged the available players for her team and if they were hurt and not available they should have told the media. Am I missing something there?


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I like Millie. I always have. I was pissed of when they traded her and kept Langhorne. She is a very hard working versatile defender. Something that Langhorne just isnt. But Langhorne was/is an better offensive player so i understood at the time why they kept Langhorne (who had been the number 1/2 scoring option for the Mystics)

Little would be a lot better defensive combination with Stewart then Stewart is with Langhorne. But the Storm need length and the last thing they need is Langhorne and Little.

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so a (maybe) 6'1" 30 year old for a 6'6" 28 year old? And having to pay the upper cored salary as opposed to a mid vet salary. And for someone to play behind Tina Charles as opposed to a starter?

You dont think he will want to play Stokes at center in the future? I think Charles, Stokes and Langhorne is a better post rotation then Charles Stokes and Swords but maybe im the only one...



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dtsnms wrote:
zune69 wrote:
dtsnms wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
If Jenna O'Hea was a certain other aussie there would be a report for sure Wink The Storm have always been pretty honest about injuries so excuse me for being suprised when a solid rotation player vanishes from the rotation and a player that the coach adores doesnt even see the court untill garbage time.

Jenna and Monica Wright got minutes in garbage time so if they were dealing with injuries Boucek wouldnt take that risk. So for me that's why i think it's strange


Great observation....


Okay, so the Storm coaching staff and management should sit down and say we have 12 players on the roster, and since 2 of them aren't playing a lot we should release why we aren't playing a lot to our fans, so they can discuss it on Rebkell.

Do you guys think things through sometimes? You don't know who they are thinking of playing when. What is the benefit to them of releasing the info?


What in the hell are you rambling about ? I never criticized Boucek or seattle management for withholding information.You came in this thread talking about "we shouldn't speculate about who's in a dog house or injured".Seattle just blew a double digit lead to a team that was missing two starters.A great 3pt shooter and very good defender played zero minutes.Are we suppose to just stay silent and not say anything about it ?


I guess my comprehension is gone, because I thought for sure people were saying that Boucek mismanaged the available players for her team and if they were hurt and not available they should have told the media. Am I missing something there?


This was my comment

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Exactly....we're not mind readers.If a team doesn't report a players injuries to the media the only thing we can assume is that the player is healthy.


I Never said Boucek/seattle should be more transparent in regards to injury reports.Just pointing out that I can only form an opinion based on the information that is available to me.




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so a (maybe) 6'1" 30 year old for a 6'6" 28 year old? And having to pay the upper cored salary as opposed to a mid vet salary. And for someone to play behind Tina Charles as opposed to a starter?

You dont think he will want to play Stokes at center in the future? I think Charles, Stokes and Langhorne is a better post rotation then Charles Stokes and Swords but maybe im the only one...


Stokes and Swords both have limitations. By being able to play one or the other though, it is a very nice rotation. Langhorne also has limitations. I think smallish PFs are easier to come by and it would be better to go for someone younger.

And if Mille is a UFA, why wouldn't NY just straight up try to get her without giving up anything. She would make their post rotation really great and be a better backup to Tina and could possibly even play some at SF.



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