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PostPosted: 04/22/17 8:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Given that Wang was reporting what Thibault told him it's probably accurate, but it still just sounds weird that Sanders is 'out for the season due to foot surgery' when she played 32 minutes today in the Turkish playoffs. Presumably she's waiting to have the surgery once her Turkish season is done.

If Sanders is out and her contract is therefore removed from calculations, the Mystics are probably fine to keep 12, if they want.



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PostPosted: 04/22/17 9:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Toliver/Latta
Hill/SWK/Cloud
TRP/Taylor
EDD/Hawkins
Meesseman/K. Thomas

12th spot up for grabs with Taylor being able to play some 4 and EDD/SWK and even Hill being able to play some 3 the last spot could be at any position. Also there could be some decent posts on the waiver wire if Mike T wants another banger instead of Maloot.


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PostPosted: 04/22/17 10:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Toliver/Cloud
Hill/Walker-Kimbrough/Latta
Ruffin-Pratt/Malott
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Taylor
Meesseman/Thomas

Toliver is definitely the starting PG.
Cloud was last year's starting PG. Only makes sense she's this year's backup.
I loved Latta in college, but it might be time to move on. Thibault have a little guts.
Ruffin-Pratt is suffering with back spasms. Have to keep an eye on that. Malott survives? Says something about the people he's brought in.
Hawkins and Taylor are backup PF's? Seems pretty weak, but maybe I'll be surprised?
Meesseman a center?



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PostPosted: 04/22/17 10:30 pm    ::: Re: Training camp roster Reply Reply with quote

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Morissette is a point guard. Simms was a point guard in college, but very turnover prone. Don't know if they want to fix that or move her to SG.


It would be a major surprise if either one made the team.


RAF asked a question and I answered it. My post wasn't meant as an endorsement -- although given Mike T's statement about wanting versatility, Simms might have a better chance than people think. She has the size and athletic ability to play 1,2,3. And when did Malott and Taylor become such world-beaters?



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 9:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Latta would be the veteran on this team, so unless Thibault trades her, I doubt she's gone.



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 9:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Toliver/Cloud
Hill/Walker-Kimbrough/Latta
Ruffin-Pratt/Malott
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Taylor
Meesseman/Thomas

Toliver is definitely the starting PG.
Cloud was last year's starting PG. Only makes sense she's this year's backup.
I loved Latta in college, but it might be time to move on. Thibault have a little guts.
Ruffin-Pratt is suffering with back spasms. Have to keep an eye on that. Malott survives? Says something about the people he's brought in.
Hawkins and Taylor are backup PF's? Seems pretty weak, but maybe I'll be surprised?
Meesseman a center?


It's definitely not a team built on defense, and they're a post injury away from an issue. I can't think of a time where we have seen a WNBA team built this way, so heavily weighted toward fantastic offense but with a number of question marks on the other side of it. However, I've thought they wouldn't be all that good defensively before and he has coached them up to do it better than you would think his personnel should do it. So I wouldn't count them out to lead the league in offensive efficiency and maybe be in the 5-7 range on defense. They do at least have TRP, who is one of the league's better defensive 3's, and they'll have some length inside with EM and EDD.



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 10:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Shades wrote:
Toliver/Cloud
Hill/Walker-Kimbrough/Latta
Ruffin-Pratt/Malott
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Taylor
Meesseman/Thomas

Toliver is definitely the starting PG.
Cloud was last year's starting PG. Only makes sense she's this year's backup.
I loved Latta in college, but it might be time to move on. Thibault have a little guts.
Ruffin-Pratt is suffering with back spasms. Have to keep an eye on that. Malott survives? Says something about the people he's brought in.
Hawkins and Taylor are backup PF's? Seems pretty weak, but maybe I'll be surprised?
Meesseman a center?


It's definitely not a team built on defense, and they're a post injury away from an issue. I can't think of a time where we have seen a WNBA team built this way, so heavily weighted toward fantastic offense but with a number of question marks on the other side of it. However, I've thought they wouldn't be all that good defensively before and he has coached them up to do it better than you would think his personnel should do it. So I wouldn't count them out to lead the league in offensive efficiency and maybe be in the 5-7 range on defense. They do at least have TRP, who is one of the league's better defensive 3's, and they'll have some length inside with EM and EDD.


Not hard at all. The Phoenix "run and gunners" ring a bell? They've been trying to switch to a style that works better with Griner but it's the "run and gunners" who won Championships.



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 10:39 am    ::: Re: Training camp roster Reply Reply with quote

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Morissette is a point guard. Simms was a point guard in college, but very turnover prone. Don't know if they want to fix that or move her to SG.


It would be a major surprise if either one made the team.


RAF asked a question and I answered it. My post wasn't meant as an endorsement -- although given Mike T's statement about wanting versatility, Simms might have a better chance than people think. She has the size and athletic ability to play 1,2,3. And when did Malott and Taylor become such world-beaters?


yeah, Simms is intriguing. And I've never watched her in a game so am probably too quick to make the judgment. There's always hope.



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 11:38 am    ::: Re: Training camp roster Reply Reply with quote

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myrtle wrote:
root_thing wrote:

Morissette is a point guard. Simms was a point guard in college, but very turnover prone. Don't know if they want to fix that or move her to SG.


It would be a major surprise if either one made the team.


RAF asked a question and I answered it. My post wasn't meant as an endorsement -- although given Mike T's statement about wanting versatility, Simms might have a better chance than people think. She has the size and athletic ability to play 1,2,3. And when did Malott and Taylor become such world-beaters?


yeah, Simms is intriguing. And I've never watched her in a game so am probably too quick to make the judgment. There's always hope.


You'll note I gave Simms twice the odds of any other guard of making the team. 10% for Simms vs 5% for everyone else.

I think we pick up Lindsey Allen when she gets cut from NY and give her a chance to win a spot. With all our scorers, we don't need that at PG. She's a facilitator, loves to run the floor and can defend other PG's.



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 1:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

DC will be able to run plays like:

"Latta" / Hill / TRP / Meesseman / "Dolson"

and get about the same defense.

On offense, Hill and Meesseman will be open for the first time in their careers. And whether TRP or any part of the 2nd team, is playing, they'll be looking at this :
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PostPosted: 04/23/17 5:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Taylor should be counting her blessing Sanders isn't playing this season. Her chances of making the team just skyrocketed.

PG: Toliver/Cloud
SG: Hill/Latta/SWK
SF: Ruffin-Pratt/Taylor
PF: Delle Donne/Hawkins
C: Meesseman/Thomas
12th: Malott/Simms/Morissette



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PostPosted: 04/24/17 11:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Full season suspension for Sanders now listed on .com's Transactions page, so definitely out for the year. Leaves them looking really thin inside again. Thomas is a career end-of-the-bench backup, they already cut Hawkins once, and Taylor's barely a post.

They better hope EDD/Meesseman works fine as a 4/5 combination, and that both stay healthy (and don't miss too much time overseas), because there really isn't much behind them.



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PostPosted: 04/24/17 11:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Full season suspension for Sanders now listed on .com's Transactions page, so definitely out for the year. Leaves them looking really thin inside again. Thomas is a career end-of-the-bench backup, they already cut Hawkins once, and Taylor's barely a post.

They better hope EDD/Meesseman works fine as a 4/5 combination, and that both stay healthy (and don't miss too much time overseas), because there really isn't much behind them.


I really didn't understand dumping both Vaughn AND Dolson. I understand the need to trade one to Chicago for EDD, but the other one seemed unnecessary unless it was an attitude thing - clearing house. I love SWK, but she is pretty much a clone of T. Hill and good/decent bigs are much scarcer than guards. They have nobody on their roster to deal with bangers inside.



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Connecticut & Indiana will likely have a post available to pickup. Hamson? McCall? McKinney? Just need a little insurance in case EDD or Messeeman go down. Or if playing Messeeman at center just doesn't work out.



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PostPosted: 04/24/17 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Full season suspension for Sanders now listed on .com's Transactions page, so definitely out for the year. Leaves them looking really thin inside again. Thomas is a career end-of-the-bench backup, they already cut Hawkins once, and Taylor's barely a post.

They better hope EDD/Meesseman works fine as a 4/5 combination, and that both stay healthy (and don't miss too much time overseas), because there really isn't much behind them.


I really didn't understand dumping both Vaughn AND Dolson. I understand the need to trade one to Chicago for EDD, but the other one seemed unnecessary unless it was an attitude thing - clearing house. I love SWK, but she is pretty much a clone of T. Hill and good/decent bigs are much scarcer than guards. They have nobody on their roster to deal with bangers inside.

I figure when they made that move they didn't know Sanders was out, because there was a bit of a salary cap crunch if they wanted to add Toliver (while re-signing Hill and Ruffin-Pratt) and Sanders was still on the books. Vaughn was probably the easiest to move, with Latta or Sanders herself as the only other real options.

Maybe Thibault just doesn't rate Brionna Jones for some reason, because for this year's team she'd certainly appear to be more useful positionally than Walker-Kimbrough.



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Mystics open training camp with revamped roster, elevated expectations

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/24/mystics-open-training-camp-with-revamped-roster-elevated-expectations/

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Delle Donne was among 15 players who attended the first of two practices at Verizon Center after reporting to camp Sunday afternoon. The Mystics also were scheduled to practice Monday night and expected to spend the majority of that time in five-on-five scrimmages.


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During the later stages of Monday’s first practice, Mystics Coach and General Manager Mike Thibault discussed pick-and-roll defense, emphasizing communication, particularly with younger players. Washington has four rookies in camp, including guard Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, the sixth overall pick out of Maryland.


The players were probably like WHAAAAAA?

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“That’s going to probably be the thing that determines how good we ultimately are. Can we be a good defensive team, not an average defensive team, and if we are a good defensive team, we’re going to score a good amount of points probably.


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Thomas is the only player on the active training camp roster other than Toliver and point guard Ivory Latta with at least five years in the league. Among the Mystics’ projected starters, only Toliver has more than four years of WNBA experience.


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Tayler Hill also has served spot duty at point guard. The No. 4 pick in the 2013 draft is the projected starter at shooting guard after re-signing with Washington this past offseason.



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Smart move by the Mystics to bring in a typical game night crowd to help make their practise session more game-like.



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PostPosted: 04/25/17 8:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
Smart move by the Mystics to bring in a typical game night crowd to help make their practise session more game-like.


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I think that one deserves a gold star. Laughing


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I always think we should have a gallery of the 'best' of Rebbies.



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I always think we should have a gallery of the 'best' of Rebbies.


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Emma Meesseman to play for Belgium in late May for EuroBasket Women 2017 training

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/4/25/15412144/emma-meesseman-belgium-eurobasket-women-training-2017

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Meesseman will report to Washington for the remainder of the Mystics’ training camp on May 10 after the Russian season is over. She will play in Washington until the Belgian national team has a tournament in Italy starting on May 26. Meesseman will then miss every Mystics game until EuroBasket Women is over on June 25. After, she should be back in Washington.



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If that's accurate, she'll miss something like 9 or 10 games, depending on when exactly she leaves and how quickly she makes it back from EBW2017. That's a pretty big chunk, but at least it's essentially the first half of the season. They can gel in the second half and try to build towards the playoffs, even if it costs them a few wins.



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If that's accurate, she'll miss something like 9 or 10 games, depending on when exactly she leaves and how quickly she makes it back from EBW2017. That's a pretty big chunk, but at least it's essentially the first half of the season. They can gel in the second half and try to build towards the playoffs, even if it costs them a few wins.


Im thinking thibault had to already know this but this could be major if they lose say 7 of those 10 games they could dig themselves a whole to deep . The city might not have the patience for another losing start. Toliver will have to elevate her play to another level while Mess is out.



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pilight wrote:
Emma Meesseman to play for Belgium in late May for EuroBasket Women 2017 training

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/4/25/15412144/emma-meesseman-belgium-eurobasket-women-training-2017

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Meesseman will report to Washington for the remainder of the Mystics’ training camp on May 10 after the Russian season is over. She will play in Washington until the Belgian national team has a tournament in Italy starting on May 26. Meesseman will then miss every Mystics game until EuroBasket Women is over on June 25. After, she should be back in Washington.


so they're just going to rely on Thomas & Hawkins as their centers during this stretch? Definitely going to bring in another post.



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Solves the problem of Elena and Emma both really needing to play the 4 position, at least for part of the season. Razz


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So which team is going to cut a big meaty post that they can pick up? Still scratching my head (and no, I don't have lice)...



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So which team is going to cut a big meaty post that they can pick up? Still scratching my head (and no, I don't have lice)...

There are various big space fillers who'll be available - the Warley-Talberts of the world (and her younger equivalents) - but they kinda have that already with Krystal Thomas. Either Osahor or Fagbenle will be released by the Lynx if they want to try youth. Vicki Baugh might well not make the roster in San Antonio considering the post collection Riley built in the offseason. So there'll be a few options. They just might not be great options.



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Could Thibault afford to make a play for Bone? I'm not buyin' this crap about her being a "locker room cancer."



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Could Thibault afford to make a play for Bone? I'm not buyin' this crap about her being a "locker room cancer."

With Sanders suspended and therefore off the books this year, yes. Although unless they could work out a trade, Phoenix still have the right to match any contract she'd sign with anyone else, and acres of cap space to fit her into.



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Could Thibault afford to make a play for Bone? I'm not buyin' this crap about her being a "locker room cancer."


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Richyyy wrote:
myrtle wrote:
So which team is going to cut a big meaty post that they can pick up? Still scratching my head (and no, I don't have lice)...

There are various big space fillers who'll be available - the Warley-Talberts of the world (and her younger equivalents) - but they kinda have that already with Krystal Thomas. Either Osahor or Fagbenle will be released by the Lynx if they want to try youth. Vicki Baugh might well not make the roster in San Antonio considering the post collection Riley built in the offseason. So there'll be a few options. They just might not be great options.



They can probably have their pick of Kai James or Chinwe Okorie when they both get cut by the Liberty. Either would seem to meet your requirements.


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Meaty? We have the meat! How about Sosa, the next best thing to Italian sausage? Good buy at pounds per inch.

I believe SAS gets the first option on wavered players so Baugh may come to you by Express Mail.

Baugh, Baugh and enjoy!



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Could Thibault afford to make a play for Bone? I'm not buyin' this crap about her being a "locker room cancer."


Laughing #Facts


NO to Bone. I've seen plenty of evidence of questionable behaviors not conducive to team building. Thibault won't touch her with a ten foot pole.



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After the heated debate about Latta's status with the team, the Mystics come out with a "We still need Ivory" article.

After 10 seasons in the WNBA, Ivory Latta remains Washington Mystics’ bundle of energy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/26/entering-her-10th-season-ivory-latta-remains-washington-mystics-bundle-of-energy/

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Entering her 10th season in the WNBA, Latta’s enthusiasm remains a constant on an overhauled roster that Coach and General Manager Mike Thibault has shaped into a championship contender. Latta’s place in that equation is as a veteran reserve, a shift the two-time all-star has handled with professionalism, according to coaches and teammates, when other players may not have been as accepting.


Bone sounds perfect time for WAS!

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She is also vying for minutes in a crowded backcourt that includes projected starting point guard Kristi Toliver as well as Natasha Cloud, a starter at the position the past two years. Latta has played some off-guard too, but the Mystics are deep there as well, with Tayler Hill and Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, the No. 6 overall pick in this year’s draft from Maryland.

But as the longest-tenured Mystics player by far, Latta, 32, is valued as much if not more for her leadership as her shot-making.



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Bone sounds perfect time for WAS!



Yeah, because she has such a track record of being cooperative and accepting.

I repeat: Thibault knows what kinds of players he wants and the kinds he doesn't want. Bone is in the latter category. Any tall rookie falling off a roster would be preferable. By a lot.



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Yeah, because she has such a track record of being cooperative and accepting.

I repeat: Thibault knows what kinds of players he wants and the kinds he doesn't want. Bone is in the latter category. Any tall rookie falling off a roster would be preferable. By a lot.


Boy, readyAIMfire53, i agree with you 100%. Bone is a team killer. She takes shots when she shouldn't. She thinks she can make 3pt shots, she cannot. Washington does not need Bone.


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This might be a good spot for V. Baugh if she gets cut in SA.

At least one of Pedersen or Hamson will be cut in Conn.

Gatling (and/or Holivay) will be cut in Atl.

Graves or McKinny might be cut in Indy.

L. Montgmery might be K. Thomas 2.0 which is all Washington really needs with all their scorers.


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This might be a good spot for V. Baugh if she gets cut in SA.

At least one of Pedersen or Hamson will be cut in Conn.

Gatling (and/or Holivay) will be cut in Atl.

Graves or McKinny might be cut in Indy.

L. Montgmery might be K. Thomas 2.0 which is all Washington really needs with all their scorers.


No to Pedersen, Hamson or Holivay. Montgomery might be best bet. Gatling might be adequate.



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PostPosted: 04/28/17 10:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Okorie is now available. I'm thinking a better big will be coming but they could give her a few days until the next one.



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I wouldn't be too excited about snatching up the 21st-best player in Liberty camp.



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myrtle wrote:
Okorie is now available. I'm thinking a better big will be coming but they could give her a few days until the next one.


Like from Minnesota, for instance. Or maybe Lang could be your attempt at a Dolson replacement.

But do we even know that Thibault is looking for a waiver wire player? I'm 95% sure he knew about the Sanders and Meesseman situations BEFORE the draft, and that didn't stop him from drafting three players all nearing 6'. Thibault drafts are always a big mystery. Once in a great while he gets lucky like with Meesseman.



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Richyyy wrote:
I wouldn't be too excited about snatching up the 21st-best player in Liberty camp.


I'm certainly not in love with Okorie but it's worth investigating. I think a cut this early is not nec. the worst player in camp, but could be the player that either simply doesn't fit with that particular team or has no chance to make their roster because of who else is there at her position so it gives the player a chance to be picked up elsewhere and they(the Lib) need the spot for a returning from Europe player. In this case, James or her might make the roster and Bill favors James over her.



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Two 6-6 centers who turn 28 this year put up good numbers in Poland -- Carolyn Swords and Kelley Cain. Swords scored more points (16.8 v 13.4), but Cain pulled down more rebounds (11 v 8.9) and blocked more shots (1.9 v 0.9). Cain's team also had a lot more success (16-6 v 9-13). Swords is probably smarter, but Cain is likely a better athlete. So, if Swords is worth the #6 pick in the draft, why isn't Cain worth at least a training camp contract? And isn't someone who has played pro ball for 5-6 years more likely to help you than a fringe rookie like Chinwe Okorie?



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Two 6-6 centers who turn 28 this year put up good numbers in Poland -- Carolyn Swords and Kelley Cain. Swords scored more points (16.8 v 13.4), but Cain pulled down more rebounds (11 v 8.9) and blocked more shots (1.9 v 0.9). Cain's team also had a lot more success (16-6 v 9-13). Swords is probably smarter, but Cain is likely a better athlete. So, if Swords is worth the #6 pick in the draft, why isn't Cain worth at least a training camp contract? And isn't someone who has played pro ball for 5-6 years more likely to help you than a fringe rookie like Chinwe Okorie?


Good point. I thought Cain had knee issues and had retired, but maybe I'm thinking of somebody else, or she came back from the injuries? If she's healthy and wants to play here, you would think she might get a look.

edit: one thing that might matter for the Mystics in particular, I think Mike wants to run, and Okorie was pretty good at getting up and down the court. Not sure Cain would be. But for defending in half court, you would think Cain would be better.



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Cain might just not be interested in the WNBA any more. Her previous visits haven't gone particularly well. And some players with long-term injury issues are better off with the once-a-week schedules most Euro teams play rather than the grind of the WNBA.

But yes, I'd expect Thibault to be more interested in someone with some experience rather than a random rookie, if a player like that presented herself.



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