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Greg Bibb's quote...
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| We feel this gives us a lot of flexibility to either use the draft picks or use them to trade for another asset to help us get back to where we want to go, which is back to the WNBA playoffs," Bibb said. "I'm a big believer in you need to give up value to get value in return. Odyssey is a very talented player and I wish her the best in LA but we felt like this was the opportunity to get back to where we want to be." |
....dallas is not done making trades.I believe the wings will use a combination of picks/players to acquire Dolson,Stokes,Peters,Achonwa or Bonner. |
The only person on that list worth a "combination of picks" is Bonner. Maybe stokes, everybody else can stay where they are. I highly doubt Phoenix and New York would trade either of these players for picks in this weak draft.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 10:40 am ::: |
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| We feel this gives us a lot of flexibility to either use the draft picks or use them to trade for another asset to help us get back to where we want to go, which is back to the WNBA playoffs," Bibb said. "I'm a big believer in you need to give up value to get value in return. Odyssey is a very talented player and I wish her the best in LA but we felt like this was the opportunity to get back to where we want to be." |
....dallas is not done making trades.I believe the wings will use a combination of picks/players to acquire Dolson,Stokes,Peters,Achonwa or Bonner. |
Sounds to me like he's not sure what he's doing and he's just Wing-ing it.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 10:46 am ::: |
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| Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if clashing personalities were at least part of the reason for this trade, but even if that's the case - I'd have hoped for a better return. |
Yeah Dallas' GM isn't known for getting great value for players or making great decisions behind the scenes. This trade, on top of swapping Kiesel for Bias, & trading your #2 pick after only letting her play with you for 1 season -- I still don't even remember what we got in return for Zahui B.
I have no hope for Dallas' ability to make competent personnel moves, so I'm sure they're gonna waste all of the draft picks as well.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 11:01 am ::: |
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Greg Bibb's quote...
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| We feel this gives us a lot of flexibility to either use the draft picks or use them to trade for another asset to help us get back to where we want to go, which is back to the WNBA playoffs," Bibb said. "I'm a big believer in you need to give up value to get value in return. Odyssey is a very talented player and I wish her the best in LA but we felt like this was the opportunity to get back to where we want to be." |
....dallas is not done making trades.I believe the wings will use a combination of picks/players to acquire Dolson,Stokes,Peters,Achonwa or Bonner. |
The only person on that list worth a "combination of picks" is Bonner. Maybe stokes, everybody else can stay where they are. I highly doubt Phoenix and New York would trade either of these players for picks in this weak draft. |
10 & 23 for Peters ?
10 & 23 for Achonwa ?
4 & 23 for Dolson ?
3,10 & 23 for Stokes ?
3,11 & Christmas for Stokes & Rodgers ?
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Sounds to me like he's not sure what he's doing and he's just Wing-ing it. |
I believe the #4 pick will have more value on the trade market than Sims.Teams that are looking to make moves have no real need for a pg/small sg(chicago,San Antonio,Indiana) or were not willing to part with a starter.The 3/4 pick provides more flexibility for a team looking to make a trade.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 11:49 am ::: |
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| I'd do #10 & #23 for Achonwa, but why would IND? It's not like they need extra draft picks.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 11:57 am ::: |
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| I can remember a guy by the name of Greg Bibb who acted in the role as the Mystics GM, you notice I said acted because in my opinion he didn't know squat. This Greg Bibb with the Dallas Wings is he the same Greg Bibb who was once with the Mystics ?
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| Posted: 02/18/17 1:26 pm ::: |
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| Dallas has made some terrible moves and developed its young players generally not well in relation to their value. Trading Sims for movement of 7 draft positions in a weak draft may be the best they could have done at present for Sims. But it indicates how far her stock has fallen since she was drafted. They also traded Zahui B. to NY for what wound up being a difference of just 4 draft positions. Whatever you think of Zahui, she's showing some scoring skill overseas even against WNBA-caliber competition.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 1:53 pm ::: |
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| This Greg Bibb with the Dallas Wings is he the same Greg Bibb who was once with the Mystics ? |
Yes
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Dallas looks like this if Mitchell declares:
PG: Diggins/Bias
SG: Plum/Phillips
SF: Christmas/Powers/Hooper
PF: Johnson/Plaisance/#9 pick
C: Paris/Coates
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| Posted: 02/18/17 3:05 pm ::: |
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Dallas looks like this if Mitchell declares:
PG: Diggins/Bias
SG: Plum/Phillips
SF: Christmas/Powers/Hooper
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This Defeats the purpose of trading Sims.Powers is the starter.Aerial gives dallas the size,rebounding and defense that was lacking with Sims.
Automatic defensive upgrade at sg.
Automatic defensive upgrade at pf(Johnson>Pierson)
Automatic upgrade at backup center.
Automatic upgrade at pg with Diggins being healthy.
This team is a potential 20+ game winner.And if they traded the #4 & 23 picks for Dolson,look out !!!
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| Posted: 02/18/17 3:21 pm ::: |
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| Dolson has played three years, and I haven't really seen any signs of her breaking out. I'd rather give Coates a look for the future.
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| Dolson has played three years, and I haven't really seen any signs of her breaking out. I'd rather give Coates a look for the future. |
I'd have no issue if Dallas selected Coates,I just prefer Dolson.Her length/height causes problems for Griner,Fowles,Charles,etc.Dolson can also knock down a 12-15 ft jumpshot,and has the ability to score in the post.The only thing Coates does better than Dolson is run the floor.Watching Dolson and Coates as seniors is like night and day.Dolson was very impactful in the big games.Coates on the other hand has a tendency to disappear.Coates is putting up better numbers than Dolson did as a senior,but Dolson was clearly the better player.
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Glory Johnson and #10 for Breland and #2?
Then Dallas just re-sets building around Diggins and Powers, with some nice vet role models like Breland, Paris, Christmas and Phillips, and some shiny new rookies like Coates, SWK (and whoever is there at #2 between Deshields, Plum, Mitchell or settles for A. Jones at #4 if no one declares.)
if no one comes out you got
Diggins/A. Jones
Christmas/Phillips/SWK
Powers/Hooper
Breland/Plaisance
Paris/Coates/Hamblin
OK no one will be shaking in their boots when they play Dallas, but that a nice team in terms of fit and it allows you to reboot any chemistry issue. Breland might be ready to start, and this team should be better on the defensive end than last years.
And if A. Jones end up being Plum or Deshields instead its a potentially stronger team, though A. Jones is a good safe fit with the team above.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 4:07 pm ::: |
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Glory Johnson and #10 for Breland and #2?
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I'll pass.......G.Johnson is a 15p/9r 26 year old all-star.Breland's career high averages is 9.7p/6.8r.
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I'll pass.......G.Johnson is a 15p/9r 26 year old all-star.Breland's career high averages is 9.7p/6.8r. |
She's also a complete headcase. I will pass as well.
And there's no way I'm giving up #2 with the possibility of Mitchell declaring...
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| I was wondering which side of the coin was going to be the "No Thank You" side, didn't see it being both, oh well.
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| I thought Powers was injured and will miss the beginning of the season?
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| Posted: 02/18/17 5:02 pm ::: |
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I'm reeeeaaaaalllly curious as to what the locker room is like in Dallas, especially with Glory's agent always publicly talking slick about Skylar on Twitter.
Anywho, Dallas has firmly placed themselves in the lottery unless every starter stays healthy throughout the season along with Skylar and Glory playing like the all star version of themselves, then they might have a chance, but I doubt it.
I was perfectly fine with Sims and Johnson getting the boot, but that was before Diggins' knee AND Pierson leaving. Now everything is a toss up. Will we get 100% healthy Skylar? Who knows. Will Aerial improve on her rookie season? Probably not since she's had a hip injury the entire off season. Will all of these picks in this useless draft suprise us and come out guns blazing? Maybe. Can the starting lineup stay healthy? History tells us that that is a huge NO.
But, as I always say about my Bad News Wings, I hope that I'm wrong.
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Sorry for the long post, but cheering for a losing team that has/had potential is exhausting guys...
Also, rooting for the underdog is overrated as F***!! I'm from the Twin Cities, I'm about to start cheering for my geriatric Lynx |
you are my twin.... i'm in minnesota too, but cheer for the wings. looking at dallas on paper, even before the Sims trade, concerns me.
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| I thought Powers was injured and will miss the beginning of the season? |
I doubt she'll miss time, but she is untested from her injury.
Sounds like the same surgery Fowles had, and she did well, but different players may have different experiences.
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| Posted: 02/18/17 5:31 pm ::: |
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I'll pass.......G.Johnson is a 15p/9r 26 year old all-star.Breland's career high averages is 9.7p/6.8r. |
She's also a complete headcase. I will pass as well.
And there's no way I'm giving up #2 with the possibility of Mitchell declaring... |
Well,Johnson's in good company.Depending on who you talk to,some people think these players are all headcases:
Taurasi
MCcoughtry
Griner
Bone
Sims
Parker
Delle donne
Toliver
Young
Hope I didn't leave anyone out.
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I'm reeeeaaaaalllly curious as to what the locker room is like in Dallas, especially with Glory's agent always publicly talking slick about Skylar on Twitter.
Anywho, Dallas has firmly placed themselves in the lottery unless every starter stays healthy throughout the season along with Skylar and Glory playing like the all star version of themselves, then they might have a chance, but I doubt it.
I was perfectly fine with Sims and Johnson getting the boot, but that was before Diggins' knee AND Pierson leaving. Now everything is a toss up. Will we get 100% healthy Skylar? Who knows. Will Aerial improve on her rookie season? Probably not since she's had a hip injury the entire off season. Will all of these picks in this useless draft suprise us and come out guns blazing? Maybe. Can the starting lineup stay healthy? History tells us that that is a huge NO.
But, as I always say about my Bad News Wings, I hope that I'm wrong.
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Sorry for the long post, but cheering for a losing team that has/had potential is exhausting guys...
Also, rooting for the underdog is overrated as F***!! I'm from the Twin Cities, I'm about to start cheering for my geriatric Lynx |
you are my twin.... i'm in minnesota too, but cheer for the wings. looking at dallas on paper, even before the Sims trade, concerns me. |
They put us through so much. Our long distance loyalty doesn't deserve this lol
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| Posted: 02/19/17 8:42 am ::: |
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| We feel this gives us a lot of flexibility to either use the draft picks or use them to trade for another asset to help us get back to where we want to go, which is back to the WNBA playoffs," Bibb said. "I'm a big believer in you need to give up value to get value in return. Odyssey is a very talented player and I wish her the best in LA but we felt like this was the opportunity to get back to where we want to be." |
....dallas is not done making trades.I believe the wings will use a combination of picks/players to acquire Dolson,Stokes,Peters,Achonwa or Bonner. |
The only person on that list worth a "combination of picks" is Bonner. Maybe stokes, everybody else can stay where they are. I highly doubt Phoenix and New York would trade either of these players for picks in this weak draft. |
Couldnt have said it any better. Bonner is declining far from the player who won multiple 6th woman awards
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| Glory Is A key player on this team . her skylar and areial are the ones to build around. Everyone else should be up for grabs.
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| Dallas had a couple of people scouting Plum this weekend. Not a surprise that they'd be prepared. And Mike Thibault is going to be calling the Pac-12 Tournament final which means he'll be in town for at least the semis. Really nice when you get a side gig while scouting.
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They definitely won't trade Diggins, which probably means they're stuck with Fred Williams.
If they can just get Cambage to come over, that's a huge difference maker that doesn't cost you anything.
Now what does Dallas have left to get McCoughtry? Would Glory Johnson, Powers, and #10 be enough? Need Spooner to come up with some ideas.
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Christmas and #3 for Bonner
Christmas #3 and #4 for McCoughtry
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From the Dallas Instagram page an hour ago. Any ideas what's up?
dallaswings More big news is coming soon...keep it locked here!
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| Posted: 02/23/17 12:36 pm ::: |
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| Edit: What a disappointment.
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| I wonder if they're gonna use one of those draft picks to secure the rights to Langhorne.
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My prediction is they're trading for either...
McCoughtry (maybe her 'sitting out' was a way to force a trade to her old coaches team).
Griner, she's from Texas and the Mercury seem to cleaning house lately.
Liz Cambage is playing this summer (not too likely lol).
Bonner has been traded to the Wings for draft picks.
Or it's a boring jersey sponsorship (not likely since this seems to be a lot of fanfare for that).
In any event, the fanfare post indicates that they traded for a superstar caliber player.
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Griner, she's from Texas and the Mercury seem to cleaning house lately.
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Yeah,I said the same thing in another thread.
I would not be surprised if the player is J.Lavender or K.Bone.
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| I'm not seeing Diggins as the biggest Dolson fan, not sure any trade for her is going to work. |
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| How about something a little more in the future C. Ogwumike, it would be a risk, but healthy Diggins, GloJo and C. Ogwumike in 2018 could be pretty exciting, and Conn might be swayed by a couple of high picks and something (IDK Christmas) to move on from a player whose injuries have slowed their progress, and wouldn't have to pay someone who might not be on the court this season.
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I would not be surprised if the player is Jantel Lavender. |
I'd be very surprised. Here is a starter quality player who has accepted a role position. That's the kind of player you generally want to keep. Plus, the Sparks recently signed her to an extension. Did they do that to help another team?
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| First time i've seen that quote by Lavender shades.I guess Jantel is happy coming off the bench in LA.
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Or it's a boring jersey sponsorship (not likely since this seems to be a lot of fanfare for that). |
Come to think of it, the outline of the player they use looks like it could be Skylar Diggins. I wonder if it's a new jersey sponsorship or maybe a new jersey design, but I suppose there's rules against changing the jersey. Is this year the league is supposed to be changing to Nike uniforms?
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Or it's a boring jersey sponsorship (not likely since this seems to be a lot of fanfare for that). |
Come to think of it, the outline of the player they use looks like it could be Skylar Diggins. I wonder if it's a new jersey sponsorship or maybe a new jersey design, but I suppose there's rules against changing the jersey. Is this year the league is supposed to be changing to Nike uniforms? |
I was thinking the outline looked like Cambage. But I'm thinking jersey too. The '?' Mark is right where a sponsors name would appear on the jersey.
In the past, teams would post a teaser about 'big news' coming and it was always jersey sponsorships.
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| I wonder if "keep it locked here" is a clue. Jersey sponsorship for a locking company or something. Maybe LifeLock is switching from PHX to Dallas. Everyone else is leaving PHX so why not LifeLock.
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| Dallas could use some big news this offseason. Wonder what it could be?
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| Well my sources in arlington were saying draft day package so maybe this is something additional. Either way happy to finally see my Wings making noise!
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