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PostPosted: 08/16/16 10:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Any time you want to show up, Penny, we sure would appreciate it.


She's in a nightmare right now.


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PostPosted: 08/16/16 10:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Every offense needs to go through Cambage right now



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Every offense needs to go through Cambage right now


No one else even needs to think about shooting.


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He needs to rest Cambage.She cant play a full quarter



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Every offense needs to go through Cambage right now

The FIBA refs rarely call her for the shoulders and off-arms that might get her offensive fouls in the US, which makes her even more effective. Most of her fouls come on silly defensive and loose ball stuff.

But man they're letting all kinds of contact go under the hoop.



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It's Serbia vs Liz, and Liz has to sit down.
Yikes.



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It's Serbia vs Liz, and Liz has to sit down.
Yikes.


She always fouls when she is tired. He should have rested her earlier Rolling Eyes



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Man ... Liz is playing right on the edge ....



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Opals with 26 turnovers. If they win this its a miracle

Does Cambage know that a T will be her 5th personal foul?



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Man ... Liz is playing right on the edge ....


Yeah, she needs to be a little more careful.


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Cambage lucky not to pick up an offensive with that shoving she does



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wow they missed a HUGE TRAVEL from Serbia



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Cambage went down like a 240 lb bag of potatoes



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Wow.


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What did FLB do on that last play Shocked Shocked



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PostPosted: 08/16/16 10:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

a shitload of TOs and the worst Taylor game I've ever seen.

Congrats to the Serbs.



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That was a scrappy game.


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73-71 SRB final

No medal for AUS




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PostPosted: 08/16/16 10:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Leilani with 6 TO'S
Jarry with 5 TO'S
Cambage 4 TO'S
Erin 3 TO's

Penny had a horrible scoring night. Couldnt get a basket but she had 9 assists and only 1 TO



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the worst Taylor game I've ever seen.


Defense of Petrovic.

Taylor had 9 assists, so I'm sure she's had worse games.



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Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back.


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I can't believe that Swin called Cambage a 6'5" player in the first half Confused



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Great job by Serbia, congrats on the win.



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PostPosted: 08/16/16 11:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So how does BA respond to this? Get rid of the ridiculous "must live in or near-enough Canberra to be national team coach" clause and try to woo back Maher?

ETA: that's not meant to take anything away from Serbia. They played harder, played a better game plan, and took the game when it mattered. But that coaching performance from selection to game execution was pitiful.


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PostPosted: 08/16/16 11:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

First Olympics since Barcelona-1992 Australia hasn't medaled.



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terrible game by the Aussies. I think this just opened the door for Spain to cruise into the gold medal match.



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So this was timed pretty unfortunately.



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Man, really wanted to see Penny go out with a bang.



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Man, really wanted to see Penny go out with a bang.

Well Joyce might get fired, if that counts. Wink



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WOW..speechless..

here's looking at you USA to NOT screw this up today.


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Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back.


That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters



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Dang. Didn't get to see all of it, but it did SEEM like Lizzy vs. The World. Most unfortunate. Though obviously The Opals are a bit down in quality, it does reflect well on the other teams and their improvements.



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LJ's take on the Opals' performance

http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/zela/article/2016/08/17/it-really-disaster-lauren-jackson-opals-early-exit-rio



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“Questions are going to be asked and the right people at Basketball Australia are going to have to answer them honestly and impartially as well.


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“There were some pretty scary times early on. To be honest I thought they would’ve used their days off and the practices they had to work on defence, changing the offence a little bit so there was a bit more movement to get people like Penny (Taylor) open,’’ she said.


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Jackson says Australia looked lost and lacked composure in the dying stages of the Quarter Final when the game was on the line to be tied or won.

“Even in the last 10 seconds it actually looked like the girls had no idea what they were going to do, they had no play,’’ she said.

“On every team you practice end of game situations so that when it happens, and invariably it always does, you can get a shot off, or you know where you’re going, everyone knows what their role is in that scenario because that is so important.

“I don’t think they actually knew what they were doing. Every team I’ve been on has historically always had at least one end of game scenario play for a situation like that.”


Gee, I wonder what she thinks of Brendan Joyce? Laughing



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I can't believe that Swin called Cambage a 6'5" player in the first half Confused


Oh please, Swin has screwed up 1000 x's in this tournament, this was minor. When she called Marta Xargy Ex gay, well that was the worst of it, I think. Although calling Cambage Camba was pretty bad too lol



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Ex gay Laughing I haven't heard anyone called that since Sheryl Swoopes



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Ex gay Laughing I haven't heard anyone called that since Sheryl Swoopes


Best line of the Olympics ...



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Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back.


That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters


True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.

In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it.


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Michelle89 wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back.


That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters


True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.

In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it.


True but you cant blame the open layups all on Cambage not being in the middle. There wasnt a weakside help and rotation on those layups AT ALL. Defenders were staying in their corners with their man. That just cant happen



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Ex gay Laughing I haven't heard anyone called that since Sheryl Swoopes

You, sir, win the internet.



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Michelle89 wrote:
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Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back.


That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters


True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.

In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it.


True but you cant blame the open layups all on Cambage not being in the middle. There wasnt a weakside help and rotation on those layups AT ALL. Defenders were staying in their corners with their man. That just cant happen


Agreed, I'm not blaming Cambage. It's more about Joyce. I'm just pointing out that a 6-8 shot-blocker is better used as a rim protector than as a perimeter defender. Liz is also less likely to draw fouls if she isn't chasing people, which leads to bumping and the temptation to reach in. Moving her to the paint isn't the only solution or the only thing that needs to be fixed, but it's one of the more obvious choices. When Griner was at Baylor, she practically lived in the paint and it worked out pretty well -- so well that many feel the WNBA added the defensive 3-second rule just to hamper her. If international rules allow your 6-8 shot-blocker to stand under the basket all game long, then maybe that's an advantage you should try to exploit.


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Michelle89 wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
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Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back.


That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters


True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.

In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it.


True but you cant blame the open layups all on Cambage not being in the middle. There wasnt a weakside help and rotation on those layups AT ALL. Defenders were staying in their corners with their man. That just cant happen


Agreed, I'm not blaming Cambage. It's more about Joyce. I'm just pointing out that a 6-8 shot-blocker is better used as a rim protector than as a perimeter defender. Liz is also less likely to draw fouls if she isn't chasing people, which leads to bumping and the temptation to reach in. Moving her to the paint isn't the only solution or the only thing that needs to be fixed, but it's one of the more obvious choices. When Griner was at Baylor, she practically lived in the paint and it worked out pretty well -- so well that many feel the WNBA added the defensive 3-second rule just to hamper her. If international rules allow your 6-8 shot-blocker to stand under the basket all game long, then maybe that's an advantage you should try to exploit.


Australia going to the zone was what got them back in the game against Japan, and really any defensive scheme was going to serve them better than Joyce's "aggressive switching" on everything. But the problem with using Australia's 2-3 against Serbia was Serbia's bigs can shoot and they have big wing players; Erin Phillips and Leilani Mitchell (plus Lavey) are tiny. Serbia could have just shot right over those two (whereas Japan weren't so long).

Not that any of that is going to overcome 26 TOs. Laughing


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No not that I could remember. She has said multiple times that she is too emotional/intense for that Laughing and that she would swear a lot Surprised



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No not that I could remember. She has said multiple times that she is too emotional/intense for that Laughing and that she would swear a lot Surprised


And since when has that ever been an impediment to coaching?



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No not that I could remember. She has said multiple times that she is too emotional/intense for that Laughing and that she would swear a lot Surprised


And since when has that ever been an impediment to coaching?


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No not that I could remember. She has said multiple times that she is too emotional/intense for that Laughing and that she would swear a lot Surprised


And since when has that ever been an impediment to coaching?


Haha true Laughing But LJ was more of a player on the floor that lead by example instead of communication and directing everyone



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No not that I could remember. She has said multiple times that she is too emotional/intense for that Laughing and that she would swear a lot Surprised


And since when has that ever been an impediment to coaching?


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Exactly!

BTW, Penny wants to Coach but I don;t see her wanting to have anything to do with BA for a few years at least!



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