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| Great...the one time the Brazilian police look like they can spell the word "competent" much less act like it and it is because Ryan Lochte has to be the drama queen joke he usually is. |
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| Ryan Lochte is an embarrassment to the USA
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| Posted: 08/18/16 6:42 pm ::: |
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| Ryan Lochte is an embarrassment to the USA |
yes he is and somehow him & his three teammates won't be punished at all.
Lochte's 32 but calling him just a kid who got rowdy. The media seems to be ok with this but Gabby Douglas was told to fix her attitude last week.
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| Posted: 08/18/16 7:10 pm ::: |
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| Ryan Lochte is an embarrassment to the USA |
yes he is and somehow him & his three teammates won't be punished at all.
Lochte's 32 but calling him just a kid who got rowdy. The media seems to be ok with this but Gabby Douglas was told to fix her attitude last week. |
The US certainly isn't going to extradite Lochte. The guys that are still in Brazil are subject to whatever legal system exists down there.
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| Posted: 08/18/16 7:33 pm ::: |
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| he's sitting home all comfortable while his 3 buddies are stuck in Brazil. I doubt he cares much. He's the perfect example of what a "tool" is.
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| Posted: 08/18/16 7:40 pm ::: |
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| You guys are acting like he committed murder. Take a deep breath.
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Ryan Lochte: A champion swimmer caught in a riptide of self-absorption
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/ryan-lochte-a-champion-swimmer-caught-in-a-riptide-of-self-absorption/2016/08/18/673d9bdc-6540-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html
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| The main quality Lochte has shown in all of this, apart from asininity, is obliviousness. First he tweeted about his hair, which he had dyed blue before the Games. Then on Thursday morning, even as Conger and Bentz were in a police station and authorities were mulling potential charges, he posted an idiotic video of himself. It was a distortion-lensed, cartoonish video of him babbling at his friend and fellow American swimmer Elizabeth Beisel. Lochte eventually deleted it. Which was too bad, because it was a perfect portrait of a halfwit. |
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For now, I actually have to side with Lochte in this matter... 
Basically, it would not be totally inaccurate to describe this event as being 3 swimmers being forced at gunpoint to pay an exorbitant amount of money to make restitution for minor damages by people who had badges and were brandishing guns but were not policemen.
Therefore, it would be understandable for Lochte to summarize the event as an armed robbery by fake police. It would also be understandable that there are discrepancies in Lochte's story.
For example, in one video, a guard points a gun inside the cab at the swimmers. The gun is at windowsill level and pointed towards the back seat. For someone sitting in the back seat, the gun is at eye-level and within ~3 feet of their head. If someone then chooses to describe that event as a guy 'putting a gun to his forehead', it should be understandable. Matt Lauer claims Lochte changed his story from 'forehead' to 'general direction'.
Looking at the CCTV footage, that's basically what happened. No lights, no police uniform, just a badge and a gun. The swimmers were in the cab, about to go, and guys came out and pointed a gun inside the cab. Technically, they weren't "pulled over", because the car wasn't moving, but many people use 'stopped by police' and 'pulled over by police' interchangeably. Again, the misuse of terms should be understandable. Lochte is not on a witness stand in a courtroom. He's giving an on the fly interview with Billy Bush on the beach.
While at Carnival, I knew the fine for public urination was the equivalent of ~$150 USD. Lochte said he had ~$400 taken and that the other swimmers has all their money taken as well. So they could have had up to $1200 taken instead of paying the real police a $150 fine.
The difference in price may be due to the broken soap dispenser and mirror, but it's always possible that they were broken before and that the owner is just padding the damages.
With that, was this a robbery? I believe that one can make the case that the swimmers were extorted for money at the point of a gun, and extortion is similar to robbery. 
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Wow, the US won their first medal in women's wrestling in amazing style. Helen Maroulis beat the three time defending champion from Japan to take the gold!
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Ryan, ... these are the type of people I cannot stand in the Olympics.
I do not care if you come in 1st or last in the Olympics. If you are chosen to represent the United States of America. You are representing our country 24/7, not just while competing.
If you cant carry that in your heart at all times, don't go. Maybe many would rather have the medal, but I would rather have someone else that takes pride in representing the US and come in 10th than a gold and act like this.
Should you be blessed to take home medal, put your hand over your heart as well. |
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| Wow, the US won their first medal in women's wrestling in amazing style. Helen Maroulis beat the three time defending champion from Japan to take the gold! |
This is the biggest upset of the games
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For now, I actually have to side with Lochte in this matter...
Basically, it would not be totally inaccurate to describe this event as being 3 swimmers being forced at gunpoint to pay an exorbitant amount of money to make restitution for minor damages by people who had badges and were brandishing guns but were not policemen.
Therefore, it would be understandable for Lochte to summarize the event as an armed robbery by fake police. It would also be understandable that there are discrepancies in Lochte's story.
For example, in one video, a guard points a gun inside the cab at the swimmers. The gun is at windowsill level and pointed towards the back seat. For someone sitting in the back seat, the gun is at eye-level and within ~3 feet of their head. If someone then chooses to describe that event as a guy 'putting a gun to his forehead', it should be understandable. Matt Lauer claims Lochte changed his story from 'forehead' to 'general direction'.
Looking at the CCTV footage, that's basically what happened. No lights, no police uniform, just a badge and a gun. The swimmers were in the cab, about to go, and guys came out and pointed a gun inside the cab. Technically, they weren't "pulled over", because the car wasn't moving, but many people use 'stopped by police' and 'pulled over by police' interchangeably. Again, the misuse of terms should be understandable. Lochte is not on a witness stand in a courtroom. He's giving an on the fly interview with Billy Bush on the beach.
While at Carnival, I knew the fine for public urination was the equivalent of ~$150 USD. Lochte said he had ~$400 taken and that the other swimmers has all their money taken as well. So they could have had up to $1200 taken instead of paying the real police a $150 fine.
The difference in price may be due to the broken soap dispenser and mirror, but it's always possible that they were broken before and that the owner is just padding the damages.
With that, was this a robbery? I believe that one can make the case that the swimmers were extorted for money at the point of a gun, and extortion is similar to robbery. |
I kind of agree. People need to get off their high-horses about this. The only reason it's blown up is because he's an American Olympian. Poor judgment? Yes. Extorted by fake police? Probably.
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| Posted: 08/19/16 10:44 am ::: |
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For now, I actually have to side with Lochte in this matter...
Basically, it would not be totally inaccurate to describe this event as being 3 swimmers being forced at gunpoint to pay an exorbitant amount of money to make restitution for minor damages by people who had badges and were brandishing guns but were not policemen.
Therefore, it would be understandable for Lochte to summarize the event as an armed robbery by fake police. It would also be understandable that there are discrepancies in Lochte's story.
For example, in one video, a guard points a gun inside the cab at the swimmers. The gun is at windowsill level and pointed towards the back seat. For someone sitting in the back seat, the gun is at eye-level and within ~3 feet of their head. If someone then chooses to describe that event as a guy 'putting a gun to his forehead', it should be understandable. Matt Lauer claims Lochte changed his story from 'forehead' to 'general direction'.
Looking at the CCTV footage, that's basically what happened. No lights, no police uniform, just a badge and a gun. The swimmers were in the cab, about to go, and guys came out and pointed a gun inside the cab. Technically, they weren't "pulled over", because the car wasn't moving, but many people use 'stopped by police' and 'pulled over by police' interchangeably. Again, the misuse of terms should be understandable. Lochte is not on a witness stand in a courtroom. He's giving an on the fly interview with Billy Bush on the beach.
While at Carnival, I knew the fine for public urination was the equivalent of ~$150 USD. Lochte said he had ~$400 taken and that the other swimmers has all their money taken as well. So they could have had up to $1200 taken instead of paying the real police a $150 fine.
The difference in price may be due to the broken soap dispenser and mirror, but it's always possible that they were broken before and that the owner is just padding the damages.
With that, was this a robbery? I believe that one can make the case that the swimmers were extorted for money at the point of a gun, and extortion is similar to robbery. |
I kind of agree. People need to get off their high-horses about this. The only reason it's blown up is because he's an American Olympian. Poor judgment? Yes. Extorted by fake police? Probably. |
I also agree that the Admiral has given a reasonable interpretation of this seeming trivial event, in refreshing contrast to the rush-to-judgment treatment, nearly approaching Trump derangement syndrome, offered up by the mainstream media.
A media study shows that the major U.S. networks gave six times the coverage to the ambiguous swimmer story than to the recent admission by the U.S. State Department that the Obama administration had indeed paid ransom to release the Iran hostages.
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| Shocking news broke Thursday that the handoff of the $400 million cash payment to Iran was a highly coordinated endeavor and did not occur until the American hostages were safe. These new details lend farther evidence to the argument that the cash was a ransom payment. But when it came to reporting this development the Big Three networks barely gave it anytime at all. Combined they gave the story two minutes, one second on their evening news programs. In stark contrast, the networks gave a whopping 13 minutes, 33 seconds to the lies told by the members of the U.S. Olympic swim team. |
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I also agree that the Admiral has given a reasonable interpretation of this seeming trivial event, in refreshing contrast to the rush-to-judgment treatment, nearly approaching Trump derangement syndrome, offered up by the mainstream media.
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Personally I found that convoluted explanation to be a fictional excuse of Clintonesque proportions.
At the same time, the reaction is way overblown.
I expect the reality is quite a bit simpler. The four swimmers went partying and got rip roaring drunk. People do and say a lot of stupid things when they're drunk.
They stopped to use the restroom. When it was locked they broke in and caused some damage. Stupid stunt #1.
Then they got belligerent with the security guard who demanded they pay for the damage. Not unusual for a bunch of drunk jocks, but stupid stunt #2.
Then, when an explanation was required, they made up a fictional story that in their inebriated state seemed to fit well with the pre-Olympics narrative about Rio. Or at least the ones who were coherent enough to give any explanation did. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but stupid stunt #3.
Not unexpectedly, their explanation didn't hold together, and Rio officials, already defensive about a couple years of bad publicity, got pissed off and it became an international incident.
Twenty years ago, this would have been a "boys will be boys" incident. If it happened today in SEC country or Tallahassee to four football players, it still would be. But the local officials had no sympathy for a phony story that cast their city in a bad light, so it blew up. And a press corps disappointed that Rio hasn't lived up to their dire pre-Olympics warnings ran with it.
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| Posted: 08/19/16 12:13 pm ::: |
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| GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I also agree that the Admiral has given a reasonable interpretation of this seeming trivial event, in refreshing contrast to the rush-to-judgment treatment, nearly approaching Trump derangement syndrome, offered up by the mainstream media.
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Personally I found that convoluted explanation to be a fictional excuse of Clintonesque proportions.
At the same time, the reaction is way overblown.
I expect the reality is quite a bit simpler. The four swimmers went partying and got rip roaring drunk. People do and say a lot of stupid things when they're drunk.
They stopped to use the restroom. When it was locked they broke in and caused some damage. Stupid stunt #1.
Then they got belligerent with the security guard who demanded they pay for the damage. Not unusual for a bunch of drunk jocks, but stupid stunt #2.
Then, when an explanation was required, they made up a fictional story that in their inebriated state seemed to fit well with the pre-Olympics narrative about Rio. Or at least the ones who were coherent enough to give any explanation did. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but stupid stunt #3.
Not unexpectedly, their explanation didn't hold together, and Rio officials, already defensive about a couple years of bad publicity, got pissed off and it became an international incident.
Twenty years ago, this would have been a "boys will be boys" incident. If it happened today in SEC country or Tallahassee to four football players, it still would be. But the local officials had no sympathy for a phony story that cast their city in a bad light, so it blew up. And a press corps disappointed that Rio hasn't lived up to their dire pre-Olympics warnings ran with it. |
I see it the same way.
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| Wow, the US won their first medal in women's wrestling in amazing style. Helen Maroulis beat the three time defending champion from Japan to take the gold! |
This is the biggest upset of the games |
Shades of Rulon Gardner beating Alexander Karelin back in Sydney. |
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I also agree that the Admiral has given a reasonable interpretation of this seeming trivial event, in refreshing contrast to the rush-to-judgment treatment, nearly approaching Trump derangement syndrome, offered up by the mainstream media.
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Personally I found that convoluted explanation to be a fictional excuse of Clintonesque proportions.
At the same time, the reaction is way overblown.
I expect the reality is quite a bit simpler. The four swimmers went partying and got rip roaring drunk. People do and say a lot of stupid things when they're drunk.
They stopped to use the restroom. When it was locked they broke in and caused some damage. Stupid stunt #1.
Then they got belligerent with the security guard who demanded they pay for the damage. Not unusual for a bunch of drunk jocks, but stupid stunt #2.
Then, when an explanation was required, they made up a fictional story that in their inebriated state seemed to fit well with the pre-Olympics narrative about Rio. Or at least the ones who were coherent enough to give any explanation did. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but stupid stunt #3.
Not unexpectedly, their explanation didn't hold together, and Rio officials, already defensive about a couple years of bad publicity, got pissed off and it became an international incident.
Twenty years ago, this would have been a "boys will be boys" incident. If it happened today in SEC country or Tallahassee to four football players, it still would be. But the local officials had no sympathy for a phony story that cast their city in a bad light, so it blew up. And a press corps disappointed that Rio hasn't lived up to their dire pre-Olympics warnings ran with it. |
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After becoming the first female U.S. boxer to win Olympic gold at the 2012 London Games, Claressa Shields was given a parade by her home town of Flint, Mich., and awarded a key to the city.
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| Shout out to Gwen Jorgensen from St Paul, MN for winning the gold medal in the women's triathlon!
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| Shout out to Gwen Jorgensen from St Paul, MN for winning the gold medal in the women's triathlon! |
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From Dr. Demento's Facebook page, someone has already made a musical tribute to Ryan Lochte, set to the tune of The Eagles' "Lyin' Eyes".
http://youtu.be/Jb3Z7rTqesQ
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| Watching CNBC right now. They are reporting that Lochte has just lost all of his endorsement and partnerships from all of his sponsors: Speedo, Ralph Lauren, Airweave Mattress, and Gentle Hair Removal. |
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