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PostPosted: 07/10/16 11:07 pm    ::: Overseas Updates 2016-2017 Reply Reply with quote

It's never too early to start the thread. As usual, it's the Korean League draft making early news:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/07/12-wnba-players-drafted-korean-league/

It is possible to re-sign players this year with raises in subsequent years, so taking chances on some younger players was expected.


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PostPosted: 07/11/16 8:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How do they do that draft? It looks like they just don't pick anybody. Usually an agent will be in contacts with certain teams and then they strike a deal with a specific team. For Korea do they negotiate with the actual league and then they get a pool of players who have agreed to play in the league and then do the draft? Just find it weird because I can't think of any other league that has a draft like this.



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PostPosted: 07/11/16 8:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
How do they do that draft? It looks like they just don't pick anybody. Usually an agent will be in contacts with certain teams and then they strike a deal with a specific team. For Korea do they negotiate with the actual league and then they get a pool of players who have agreed to play in the league and then do the draft? Just find it weird because I can't think of any other league that has a draft like this.


Foreign players apply to the league (123 for 12 spots this year not counting late withdrawals) and are subject to pick by any team. Only they and the Korean Men's league use this format. They and some other leagues do hold drafts of domestic players, but usually players are only subject to those drafts once, like leagues here. The men's draft had 500+ applicants for 20 spots and they will hold full tryouts in Las Vegas soon before the actual draft. Agents are actually barred from that draft and you have to sign the contract on the spot or lose your place. There were a couple of different news articles on last year's men's draft in English language media.

Both leagues can get away with this because of the amount and reliability of pay, which is the same for all foreign players in the women's league and based on draft position in the men's league. Since all of the teams are owned by large corporate entities, they want to maintain parity amongst themselves and also have league salary caps which obviously is not a feature of most other international leagues either. There are always suspicions of under the table pay and benefits though. The upper limit on pay prevents them from drawing out and out stars, but they generally get WNBA players.


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PostPosted: 07/11/16 9:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Overseas performance often differs a lot from US production but if they're all being paid the same it seems bizarre that Bulgak went 9th. Even without knowing who the options were beyond the 12 drafted, why her over Hawkins/Howard/Achonwa?



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PostPosted: 07/11/16 11:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Here is the post-draft picture:
https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13620298_1054890931285132_2644679039498608766_n.png?oh=7fd43c52c77d0775050227c2dc272f6f&oe=5832CE02

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Overseas performance often differs a lot from US production but if they're all being paid the same it seems bizarre that Bulgak went 9th. Even without knowing who the options were beyond the 12 drafted, why her over Hawkins/Howard/Achonwa?


Nobody said they were good at drafting. I look forward to Monique Currie winning the playing time split with Jonquel Jones as I predicted she would do to Markeisha Gatling last season. The other interesting split will be Stokes/Pierson.

I can sort of buy Bulgak over Achonwa for position reasons, although I think a traditional center might be good to complement Tuck. Howard makes no sense considering she's already played in the league and proven to be effective.


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PostPosted: 07/12/16 9:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Weren't there more teams last season in Korea? I seem to remember 8 teams last year.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 1:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So if we started this already, then I'm pleased to say Renee Montgomery will show up in Gdynia jersey this season.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 9:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

No Charde Houston in South Korea next season? Didn't she have a lot of success there the last couple of years? Did she retire?


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 12:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wish Kia Vaughn would go somewhere other than where she's been playing for the last few yrs. Go somewhere with more competition.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 3:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I wish Kia Vaughn would go somewhere other than where she's been playing for the last few yrs. Go somewhere with more competition.


i am not sure she will. She's been in Prague for couple of years now. She considered applying for Czech citizenship, I don't know if she has done that yet. I read it in an interview after the season ended here. I sure hope she stays Wink but really has not much of a competition in Czech league, just Euroleague...


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 3:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

fanaticka wrote:
Str8_Butta wrote:
I wish Kia Vaughn would go somewhere other than where she's been playing for the last few yrs. Go somewhere with more competition.


i am not sure she will. She's been in Prague for couple of years now. She considered applying for Czech citizenship, I don't know if she has done that yet. I read it in an interview after the season ended here. I sure hope she stays Wink but really has not much of a competition in Czech league, just Euroleague...


I love that she loves it there, and I do remember seeing a video about her becoming a Citizen. I just wish there were better competition in the League, for her progression.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 11:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

kool-aide wrote:
No Charde Houston in South Korea next season? Didn't she have a lot of success there the last couple of years? Did she retire?


Her last season ended with an injury so if it was serious enough I could see it lasting past the start of the upcoming season, but I don't think anything was ever publicized widely about it.


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PostPosted: 07/20/16 8:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Where is our resident Kendall Kenyon fan?

She signed to play in Puerto Rico recently.

That league will be covered here when it starts in August.


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PostPosted: 07/21/16 11:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
kool-aide wrote:
No Charde Houston in South Korea next season? Didn't she have a lot of success there the last couple of years? Did she retire?


Her last season ended with an injury so if it was serious enough I could see it lasting past the start of the upcoming season, but I don't think anything was ever publicized widely about it.


Ah, thank you. I did miss reports of a serious injury.


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PostPosted: 08/01/16 4:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tiffany Mitchell, Amanda Zahui, EWilliams all playing together on Russian club Nadezha Orenbur



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PostPosted: 08/01/16 7:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece.



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PostPosted: 08/01/16 8:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...)

I care. I very much enjoy the Sammy sideshow here Wink

Now I'm going to have to ask WBB247 to add the Greek league to their regular coverage for the coming season.



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PostPosted: 08/01/16 9:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Tiffany Mitchell, Amanda Zahui, EWilliams all playing together on Russian club Nadezha Orenbur


Their games are normally available online right? I hope to catch a lot of their games, not just for AZB but I actually like the other two too.



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PostPosted: 08/01/16 9:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece.


Oh, dear. Aren't Greek squads notorious for not paying up?



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PostPosted: 08/01/16 10:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece.


If Sammy has a good season maybe a wnba team will give her a shot(Atl,wash)


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PostPosted: 08/02/16 12:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...)

I care. I very much enjoy the Sammy sideshow here Wink

Now I'm going to have to ask WBB247 to add the Greek league to their regular coverage for the coming season.

Funny. But she won't be the only WNBA player there (or should be WNBA player). I know for sure Erlana Larkins is on a team there as well.



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PostPosted: 08/02/16 12:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece.


Oh, dear. Aren't Greek squads notorious for not paying up?

I don't think any more than any other league. Players have had trouble in Turkey and Russia too. Depends on the club. Panathinaikos is an old well-established sports organization that has teams in a number of other sports in Greece (men's bball, soccer, etc), so they got money.



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PostPosted: 08/02/16 2:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Kizer and Larkins will be playing on the same team in Greece.


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PostPosted: 08/02/16 8:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...)

I care. I very much enjoy the Sammy sideshow here Wink

Now I'm going to have to ask WBB247 to add the Greek league to their regular coverage for the coming season.


Put me in the cares group too. I have no strong feelings about the two big Greek clubs, but I suppose I have known more people who have played for Pao (not to be confused with PAOK) than Oly and a few more fans of the Greens too. It is good to see the Athens club making a push and signing a big name player while their rivals from Piraeus appear to be trying to re-establish themselves continentally.

That's probably a no on the regular coverage though. I do not believe I have ever seen the website of the Women's League, so I have no idea about the reliability and timeliness of their stats. If it is anything like the Men's League, they might have live stats in English and then boxscores in Greek. eurobasket.com appears to have stats so I suppose they are reasonably available. I usually also run the Greek through a translator, but the letters are not that hard to recognize once you are used to seeing them.

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Shades wrote:
Tiffany Mitchell, Amanda Zahui, EWilliams all playing together on Russian club Nadezha Orenbur


Their games are normally available online right? I hope to catch a lot of their games, not just for AZB but I actually like the other two too.


Assuming no changes from last season, they should all be available. Production value varies greatly depending on which team is hosting.

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Queenie wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece.


Oh, dear. Aren't Greek squads notorious for not paying up?

I don't think any more than any other league. Players have had trouble in Turkey and Russia too. Depends on the club. Panathinaikos is an old well-established sports organization that has teams in a number of other sports in Greece (men's bball, soccer, etc), so they got money.


I have never heard of any money troubles at the two big Greek clubs in any sport. Of course, opposing fans will accuse the owners of being tax cheats and letting the rest of the country fall flat on its face. The other clubs have had pretty spotty records across other sports, but a lot of teams are still financed by people who still have money no matter how bad the economic situation gets.


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PostPosted: 08/02/16 11:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Do my eyes deceive me? Did someone on here just call her a "big name player"? Shocked



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PostPosted: 08/03/16 9:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Prahalis is a big-name player, and she's also a big-personality player.

It would be great if she could show WNBA coaches enough that she got back in the league. The WNBA needs players like Prahalis ...



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PostPosted: 08/03/16 10:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Prahalis is a big-name player, and she's also a big-personality player.

It would be great if she could show WNBA coaches enough that she got back in the league. The WNBA needs players like Prahalis ...

Yes!!! Big personality/passionate on court, very shy off it. But the league needs more players with her flair and skills. Smile



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PostPosted: 08/03/16 10:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sigh. do we have to be reminded that in 2013 & 2014 that Prahalis had 4 attempts to stay on a roster and was cut by all four teams(Phoenix, New York, Los Angeles & Atlanta). How many more chances should she get?



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PostPosted: 08/03/16 5:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
sigh. do we have to be reminded that in 2013 & 2014 that Prahalis had 4 attempts to stay on a roster and was cut by all four teams(Phoenix, New York, Los Angeles & Atlanta). How many more chances should she get?

No. I haven't forgotten that she sucks according to 90% of the people on this board. No one needs you to remind us. I don't care though, Sammy will prove you wrong if she gets a legit shot (not like the cup of coffee NY and LA gave her).



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PostPosted: 08/03/16 5:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wiseone1 wrote:
Kizer and Larkins will be playing on the same team in Greece.


I like this news! (As long as both return to the Fever lol)


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PostPosted: 08/06/16 10:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nicole Seekamp teams up with Steph Talbot in Poland

http://pickandroll.com.au/nicole-seekamp-teams-steph-talbot-poland/

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The Pick and Rolls 2016 Womens College Player of the Year, Nicole Seekamp has officially made the transition to the professional ranks, signing with AZS PWSZ of Poland.


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AZS PWSZ Gorzow seems like a good fit for me to further develop at the point guard position whilst doing that in a professional environment, Seekamp explained in speaking with The Pick and Roll. Not only that, but it will be a good cultural experience.

Seekamp received an opportunity to return home and play professionally in Australia, but spurned the chance in order to make her mark in Europe.

I did consider the WNBL Adelaide, Canberra, and Townsville [all contacted me], the talented point guard revealed. But at the end of the day Gorzow seemed a better fit for me.


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Seekamp and Talbot are not the only Australian women playing in Poland this season. Former Melbourne Boomers captain Tess Madgen will suit up for Pszczolka AZS UMCS Lublin after signing for 2016/17.


Seems to be an outflux of Aussie players from the WNBL. Jarry is gonna play in France.



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PostPosted: 08/08/16 12:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rebecca Allen will be playing in Slovakia:

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I'm excited to announce that I have signed with Slovakian team Good Angels for my first European season! Looking forward to what lies ahead


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PostPosted: 08/15/16 10:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

First update of the season from Puerto Rico:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/08/puerto-rico-opening-weekend-recap/

There are a few names of interest to American and Puerto Rican fans alike in there. Updates will probably be once a week during their season.


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PostPosted: 08/22/16 8:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Puerto Rico:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/08/puerto-rican-league-week-2-recap/


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PostPosted: 08/29/16 8:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Puerto Rico:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/08/puerto-rican-league-week-3-recap/


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How can the Puerto Rican league function without Wheeler and Cortijo? Those are the two superstars of the league.



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PostPosted: 08/29/16 8:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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How can the Puerto Rican league function without Wheeler and Cortijo? Those are the two superstars of the league.


Did Wheeler even play there last season?

Cortijo is obviously the biggest Puerto Rican name, but it's not like she's a significantly better player than some of the imports.

This year's draft class was pretty loaded so adding people like Jennifer O'Neill and Damika Martinez probably makes up for the loss of Cortijo plus she will presumably will head back to Carolina after the WNBA season. With plenty of young Puerto Rican players coming through the system, I wonder if the league will strengthen in the near future.

I can't pretend to understand the financial situation in the two Puerto Rican basketball leagues though.


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PostPosted: 09/04/16 11:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Puerto Rico, now with slightly bigger names:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/puerto-rican-league-week-4-recap/


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awhom111 wrote:
Where is our resident Kendall Kenyon fan?

She signed to play in Puerto Rico recently.


Here I am.

They sent her home after a week. She's working as a graduate assistant at Pacific.

My feelings are mixed. I'm glad she's home.


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Bria Holmes signed an overseas professional contract with Bnot Maccabi Ramat Gan of the Israeli Basketball Premier League (IBPL)



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Puerto Rico, now featuring so many Oregon State players in Aguada that even the Connecticut Sun and Charlotte Hornets think that they have gone too far:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/puerto-rican-league-week-5-recap/


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Puerto Rico, including the All Star Game:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/puerto-rican-league-week-6-recap/


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Eastern European Women's Basketball League Round 1, now with more Australians just for Luuuc:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/eastern-european-womens-basketball-league-round-1-september-23rd/


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Spanish Supercup:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/spanish-supercup-recap/

EEWBL Round 2:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/eastern-european-womens-basketball-league-round-2-september-24th/

EEWBL Round 3:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/eastern-european-womens-basketball-league-round-3-september-25th/

Germany:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/german-league-round-1-recap/

Italian Supercup:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/italian-supercup-recap-september-25th/


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Puerto Rico:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/puerto-rican-league-week-7-recap/


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awhom111 wrote:
Puerto Rico:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/puerto-rican-league-week-7-recap/


Fun to see a bunch of those NCAA girls still playing.



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myrtle wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Puerto Rico:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/puerto-rican-league-week-7-recap/


Fun to see a bunch of those NCAA girls still playing.


It's an interesting league to keep an eye on each year. Technically the Puerto Rico schools are associate NCAA members and they tend to play some DII schools as well as each other so pretty much every players comes through the same basic system.


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PostPosted: 09/29/16 8:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Czech Republic:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/czech-league-round-1-recap/

Spain:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/09/spanish-league-round-1-september-28th/


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Pro basketball: Ex-FGCU star Whitney Knight headed to Spartak Moscow Region Vidnoje

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2016/09/29/pro-basketball-ex-fgcu-star-whitney-knight-headed-spartak-moscow-region-vidnoje/91295266/

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Former FGCU women’s basketball star Whitney Knight has signed with Spartak Moscow Region Vidnoje, which is based in Vidnoje, Russia, in Moscow and plays in the Russian Premier Leagueand FIBA’s EuroCup.

WNBA stars to play for Spartak – the winner of multiple Russian and EuroLeague titles from 2006-10 – include Lauren Jackson, Sue Bird, Seimone Augustus, Diana Taurasi and Tamika Catchings.


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“I am super excited about the opportunity to play for Spartak Moscow Region Vidnoje,” Knight said in a press release on the team’s website, where she was also pictured in the team’s red-and-white-striped uniform and holding one of its scarves aloft. “Spartak is in a great league and has always been a top-tier team. I’m eager to bring my skill set in an effort to continue in the club’s winning traditions.”


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Looks like the budget from Spartak is even less then in previous years Confused



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