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[jammerbirdi]

The shooting in Baton Rouge is, IMO, once again a bad case to create an anti-police killings of black citizens protest movement around. A convicted felon with a gun out at midnight, breaks many laws, including threatening a person with the gun which generated a 911 call to the police of a guy threatening people with a gun. That's why society created a 911 system. And police. So the guy refused to get down on the ground, instructions some are saying he 'didn't understand', he was tazed first, then he fought the officers. The officers, so easy to judge when it's not YOU, might have easily been running out of strength or energy at the point when they both were wrestling with this guy on the ground and that could have resulted in them seeming to too quickly end the scuffle by shooting the guy. Lot's of bad guys out there. Lot's of guys on the fringes. Murders and murderers galore run the streets 24/7. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in. Murderers run the streets. Police and 911 are our only protection.

This Minneapolis case is, however, an outrage. No 911 call. Just a busted tail light. No convicted felon on the street at midnight threatening anyone. A solid citizen with a real job and a concealed carry permit. He informed the police, according to his girlfriend, who live streamed the immediate aftermath of the shooting on Facebook (since removed but not before going viral), that he had a firearm, the cop instructed him to produce his license and when he reached for his license the cop shot him four times. This shooting is everything a trigger happy cop protest movement could want. As long as BLM jumps on cases of criminals with guns or anyone, really, who has had 911 called on them and then resists the responding officers, they are only setting themselves back. Because believe me, the vast majority of Americans want these epic murder rates to be dealt with MOST severely. That's what people really want in their hearts whether they have the ability or feel free to express that or not.

WARNING, this is GRAPHIC.

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In Fresno an unarmed white 19-year old who also had 911 called on him for having a rifle (???) refused many instructions by the responding officers, pretended to have a weapon, said he hated his life, etc. before finally being shot at, he was on the ground, but apparently he had one hand obscured from the police and refused to follow instructions, and HE was fatally shot. There's a video of that. Here's an excerpt and a link. I haven't watched the video. Too early in the morning.

But now you have a protest in this case as friends and family of the teenager are showing up with signs that say, WHITE LIVES MATTER, and, wait for it... well... here's an excerpt from the LATimes.

A large vigil held days after the shooting drew a crowd of officers, who blocked the road for safety, police said.

Friends, family and Fresno residents carried a large Confederate flag as they confronted police, while others posted signs at a memorial that said “Justice for Dylan,” and “White Lives Matter.”

Videos of the gathering posted online show dozens of motorcycles and trucks participating in a lively sideshow. Drivers revved their engines and raced down a strip of road as they were cheered by onlookers.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shooting-dylan-noble-20160707-snap-story.html

Cops have a tough job. I have sympathy for the family of the kid here but I don't have any for the idea that the cops were wrong to shoot a person after they'd been called via 911 and told of a guy with a gun, and then find themselves encountering a kid who 'hated his life' and who was refusing to comply with their instructions. It's a good way to get yourself shot, just as in the Louisiana case. Sorry, but that's how I feel. Too many murderers running the street.

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[Genero36]

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[Genero36]

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[Genero36]

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[jammerbirdi]

Well hey, while we're at it, I thought the Jesse Williams speech was a bunch of well-intoned bullshit. And contrary to what this actor says (I actually don't know or care whether I meet his standards or not) I RESERVE my right to speak. And I think his tweets you've posted right here speaks volumes as to who he is and the limitations of the idea that he's an agent of positive change.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.� - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

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[jammerbirdi]

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[Genero36]

[jammerbirdi]

[cthskzfn]

Death by cop happened right here in my home town of 8K.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/32318550/family-says-thomaston-man-killed-by-police-had-mental-health-issues

http://www.rep-am.com/news/local/doc5771158761d6f210620813.txt


Even in this case, in which the citizen is aggressive and has a knife, I find it hard for shooting to kill to be justified.

The Minn case is another FUCKING OUTRAGE, as is BR.


An aside...in this 99% white, mostly Republican dinky town, around the corner from me is a lawn w/ a TRUMP sign, and then 2 pro-police signs. One says SUPPORT THE POLICE and the other something like POLICE MAKE US SAFE.

Each time I drive by this house, I roll my eyes.

Couple of days ago, as I was driving by, a black woman listening to a IPOD or something, and facing me, was just about to walk past the house.

I followed her eyes from sign to sign, then watched her roll them and shake her head.

I'm w/ ya, lady.

I'm so sick and tired of the bullshit.

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Raleigh man fires handgun at Wake County deputy

http://wncn.com/2016/07/06/raleigh-man-fires-handgun-at-wake-county-deputy/

[justintyme]

[jammerbirdi]

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I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer

[justintyme]

[cthskzfn]

the general (white) cop reaction, when dealing w/ black men, is the obvious fucking problem here.

white guy pulls a gun on a cop or is drunk in the street w/ a knife or whatever, and they gotta "talk him down".

black boy has a fucking air pistol and they can't shoot him fast enough.

and on and on and on and on and on...



"america is always the same damn shit."

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[Howee]

Though all are equally tragic and reprehensible, the Minnesota shooting is one of the most appalling incidents I've seen, maybe short of the Tamir Rice case. Un-fucking-believable. And that it should take so LONG to get medical help there, and treat the woman like a dog, so callously removed from the crime scene, like she was somehow culpable! I could not have demonstrated that same level of dispassionate self-control, had my loved one been lying there, bleeding out, while the fat pig of a cop stood there, screaming like a banshee.

MN Governor Dayton's comment to the effect that this would not have happened had the victim been white was very observant, if weak.

On a related note: is there any explainable reason why we don't see more incidents like this with Latinos? God knows, we DON'T NEED MORE, but I'm curious about why this is seemingly ALWAYS Blacks victims.

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[jammerbirdi]

I'm speaking the English language. And I'm saying don't do illegal shit and then resist the police when they are called on you. That's not a different language. That's the only language. You're making this too complicated. Yes a LOT of bad decisions by cops are resulting in the deaths of black people. I, for the millionth time point out, that I had MADE a website protesting this in the 1990s. I GET IT. I know. But that doesn't mean there aren't other things going on besides bad cops shooting innocent people or people whose shooting wasn't perfectly understandable and even warranted under the circumstances.

In ENGLISH I'm pointing out Chicago. I'm pointing out MURDER at a rate that is pealing back the notion that we are a civilized nation and that our streets are not killing grounds. MURDER in Louisiana. MURDER in Los Angeles. WHO is supposed to interfere with the actions of those MURDERERS? The POLICE, is the answer. SOCIETY's answer and our push comes to bullets response to the CRUSHING horror that is racking up numbers we haven't seen in decades IS the police. They are getting paid to STOP these killers and to put their lives in danger to go forth into the community and seek out and engage KILLERS.

Who is doing the killing there? Melanin? We live in a racist system where black people are for the most part NOT given the kind of educations and opportunities that would allow them to compete and succeed in these extremely tough times. We do NOTHING to correct that system. Nothing in my lifetime that I would prescribe. Overhauling education for black kids. Making schools a safe haven. Where it's done, it works. But it's not done. It's a disaster. And it creates the murder rates in Chicago and the black crime rate.

But, in the end, somebody has to try to deal with the crime and the gangs and the murderers. That's a reality that's not going away any time soon. Stop being criminals is a message that EVERYONE needs to hear in this country. Are they hearing it? No. They're not. Did the president say it today?

I heard once again someone ask a black politician about 'the talk' on CNN today. And the politician said, "sadly, of course I've had the talk with my kids, my father had the talk with me," he said. Do exactly what the police tell you if you are stopped. Keep your hands visible at all times, etc. Well WTF were all these people who resist arrest and fight with the police told? Is part of the talk a warning not to threaten someone with a gun and then RESIST the police?

Don Lemon said this tonight. All you people out there who are sitting around engaging in pretzel logic who are saying, but why didn't he comply, etc. need to CHECK YOURSELVES.

I've got news for Don Lemon and everyone who is using pretzel logic to try to wiggle out of the idea that you CAN NOT DISOBEY the orders of police officer who are shouting them at you without putting your own life in grave danger. YES, more so because you're black. Okay. More so because this is a racist country. No doubt. But it's YOUR LIFE. You're going to get killed.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.� - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

[jammerbirdi]

[myt]

[mercfan3]

That's not the correct protocol, and that's not how it should be. And that standard, if you are correct, would need to be fixed in itself.

Unless the officer's life was at risk, it was wrong for the officer to kill the individual. I don't care if the person was rude to the police. I don't care if the person threw a punch. Has a record. A small crime or not following directions does not make the officer's crime okay, and certainly does not warrant someone's life. A victim does not have to be pure.

And if that is truly the culture of police officers (along with the clear implicit racism), where killing is appropriate for small crimes and not listening, then we've got more problems, not different explanations.

To go further, the death rate is obviously higher for black people. At this point, it's not even worth discussing whether it is or not. The questions that need to be asked are what is causing it (And if it's more than the simple innate racism that lives in all of us because of our culture) and what can we do about it. The conversation needs to move there now. Enough already.

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Even Newt Gingrich is starting to get it

https://twitter.com/alanhe/status/751457733216460800

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[myt]