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PostPosted: 06/28/16 8:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

6/25 Indiana vs Dallas NBATV 60,000
6/26 Phoenix vs New York NBATV 86,000
6/26 Connecticut vs Los Angeles NBATV 83,000


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6/29 Dallas vs Los Angeles ESPN2 185,000


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PostPosted: 06/29/16 9:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
6/29 Dallas vs Los Angeles ESPN2 185,000


Disappointing.


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PostPosted: 06/29/16 10:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
6/29 Dallas vs Los Angeles ESPN2 185,000


Disappointing.


ugh!



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PostPosted: 06/29/16 10:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
6/29 Dallas vs Los Angeles ESPN2 185,000


Disappointing.


ugh!


Phoenix/Dallas did 230,000,Indiana/Minnesota did 217,000.With the star power of Diggins/Sims/Parker/Ogwumike I was hoping for atleast 220k...185k is just depressing.


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PostPosted: 06/29/16 10:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Speaking of ratings, Iceland's European Championship soccer win over England on Monday produced a 99.8% share in Iceland. 99.8% of households in the island nation tuned in.

Now, admittedly, that doesn't translate to a huge number of TVs in a country of only 330,000 people, but impressive nonetheless.


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PostPosted: 06/30/16 12:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Speaking of ratings, Iceland's European Championship soccer win over England on Monday produced a 99.8% share in Iceland. 99.8% of households in the island nation tuned in.

Now, admittedly, that doesn't translate to a huge number of TVs in a country of only 330,000 people, but impressive nonetheless.

Kind of impossible since about 30,000 of them were supposedly in France watching the game, as well. Maybe it was 99.8% of the people actually still in the country. And some sheep.



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PostPosted: 06/30/16 10:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ratings are households, not individuals.


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6/29 Connecticut vs Phoenix NBATV 55,000

ArtBest23 wrote:
Ratings are households, not individuals.

Ratings are percentage of total households that watch something. Share is percentage of television on at that time watching that event. 99.8 is still pretty impressive although I suppose none of the other channels were aggressively counter-programming the game.

In the United States, there are ratings measures for both households and individuals. The totals that I provide here are for individuals.


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6/30 Atlanta vs Los Angeles NBATV 50,000


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PostPosted: 07/07/16 8:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

7/5 Chicago vs Minnesota ESPN2 232,000

If you've ever wondered why the WNBA has to make way for the NBA Summer League on NBATV at this time of year here are some of their numbers so far.

Each day's games are ordered chronologically:
Saturday: 111,000 (at 9am ET); 115,000; 137,000; 124,000; 134,000
Sunday: 94,000; 92,000; 85,000
Monday: 111,000; 125,000; 168,000; 228,000 (debut of Ben Simmons), 161,000
Tuesday: 86,000; 96,000; 90,000; 129,000; 108,000 (replay, first television appearance of game that was simultaneous to the third game)
Wednesday: 77,000; 76,000; 74,000


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PostPosted: 07/16/16 12:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I forgot that I had this thread to update:

7/13 Los Angeles vs Chicago NBATV 29,000


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PostPosted: 07/19/16 8:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

7/17 Los Angeles vs Atlanta NBATV 55,000
7/17 Chicago vs Seattle NBATV 40,000


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7/19 Los Angeles vs Indiana ESPN2 154,000


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7/20 Connecticut vs Dallas NBATV 63,000
7/20 San Antonio vs Seattle NBATV 43,000


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PostPosted: 07/22/16 8:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

7/21 Indiana vs New York NBATV 9,000

The above was not a typo.

If you were curious about how many people watched The Basketball Tournament Sweet Sixteen on ESPN2, yesterday's games averaged 191,000 and 161,000.


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PostPosted: 07/22/16 10:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
7/21 Indiana vs New York NBATV 9,000

The above was not a typo.

If you were curious about how many people watched The Basketball Tournament Sweet Sixteen on ESPN2, yesterday's games averaged 191,000 and 161,000.
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that's a shocker. The other day games on Wednesday drew ok. 9,000 only is terrible. For once there were more people in the arena then watched it on NBATV.



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PostPosted: 07/22/16 10:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
7/21 Indiana vs New York NBATV 9,000

The above was not a typo.

If you were curious about how many people watched The Basketball Tournament Sweet Sixteen on ESPN2, yesterday's games averaged 191,000 and 161,000.


Maybe the fact that it was a morning game on a week day had something to do with that. Many people were probably at work.


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7/25 USA vs USA Select NBATV 90,000


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7/27 USA vs France NBATV 107,000


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PostPosted: 07/29/16 2:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bballgrl wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
7/21 Indiana vs New York NBATV 9,000

The above was not a typo.

If you were curious about how many people watched The Basketball Tournament Sweet Sixteen on ESPN2, yesterday's games averaged 191,000 and 161,000.


Maybe the fact that it was a morning game on a week day had something to do with that. Many people were probably at work.


I suppose the timing could be an explanation until you consider that head-to-head during the same time period or overlapping time periods reruns of UFC on Fox Sports 2 drew 21,000, Senior British Open golf tournament on the Golf channel drew 85,000, the Tour de France on NBC Sports drew 69,000, His & Hers (unwatchable any time in my view) on ESPN2 drew 206,000, a baseball game (not sure the teams) on MLB drew 212,000, the 11am to noon Sports center drew 293,000.

So there were plenty of sports fans watching TV at the time. They were just watching other stuff than the WNBA game.


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PostPosted: 07/30/16 12:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
7/21 Indiana vs New York NBATV 9,000

The above was not a typo.

If you were curious about how many people watched The Basketball Tournament Sweet Sixteen on ESPN2, yesterday's games averaged 191,000 and 161,000.


Maybe the fact that it was a morning game on a week day had something to do with that. Many people were probably at work.


I suppose the timing could be an explanation until you consider that head-to-head during the same time period or overlapping time periods reruns of UFC on Fox Sports 2 drew 21,000, Senior British Open golf tournament on the Golf channel drew 85,000, the Tour de France on NBC Sports drew 69,000, His & Hers (unwatchable any time in my view) on ESPN2 drew 206,000, a baseball game (not sure the teams) on MLB drew 212,000, the 11am to noon Sports center drew 293,000.

So there were plenty of sports fans watching TV at the time. They were just watching other stuff than the WNBA game.


This is great info, and shows how far the game has to go in terms of attracting a mass audience.

In practical terms, it means that any expansion needs to be justified by in-arena ticket-selling potential. The TV money isn't going to increase unless ratings increase and that seems unlikely.



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Again....
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I was surprised to learn that ESPN has committed to pay the womenís basketball league a rights fee of about $25 million a year starting next season. That equates to about $2 million a team ó or double what ESPN had been paying the WNBA. In 2013, ESPN and the WNBA agreed to a six-year extension valued at $12 million that would run through 2022. As ESPN renegotiated its NBA deal in 2014, it opened up the WNBA deal, as well.


http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/05/09/Media/ESPN-WNBA.aspx



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PostPosted: 07/31/16 9:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't know the details of the ESPN contract, but my guess would be it is independent of the number of teams in the league. If so, it would mean that any expansion would cost existing teams money (the annual TV income would be split 14 ways rather than 12), so it would be a hard sell to get the existing teams to approve new franchises.

Now it could be that the ESPN deal ratchets up if new teams are added, which would make it much easier to expand.



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PostPosted: 08/02/16 12:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA's 20th season produces strong numbers and ratings

http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/17195190/wnba-20th-season-produces-strong-numbers-ratings

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A milestone season has produced strong numbers for the WNBA.

The league has amassed more than 24 million video views across its social media platforms, nearly five times more than at this point last season. It also has seen a record number of subscriptions to WNBA League Pass, up more than 20 percent from last year.

The WNBA has made a huge marketing push this year -- the league's 20th season -- and that certainly has helped.

Says WNBA president Lisa Borders: "This is a historic season and all the metrics are trending in a positive direction and we're thrilled about that."

ESPN has seen household ratings increase 100 percent over last year and 23 percent among viewers.



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For the first month or so of the season video auto-played every time you looked at a boxscore. Presumably enough of us complained that they finally changed that, but it would've helped out their 'video views'.

And if they're counting every gif or Vine that's clicked on in their tweets, then of course the views have gone through the roof. They're posting a vaastly bigger volume of them.



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PostPosted: 08/02/16 7:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

They practically give away League Pass. One wonders how elastic that demand is.


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PostPosted: 08/02/16 7:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ESPN ratings are up 100%?? How bad were the numbers last season?



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ESPN has seen household ratings increase 100 percent over last year and 23 percent among viewers.




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ESPN has seen household ratings increase 100 percent over last year and 23 percent among viewers.


I think that means that of the households watching TV when a WNBA game is shown, the percentage watching the WNBA game has gone up 100%, while the amount of people watching the WNBA game has gone up 23 percent. So either fewer people are watching TV, or more people are watching online or On Demand and don't get counted.

2009 269,000
2011 270,000
2012 180,000
2013 231,000
2014 240,000
2015 202,000
2016 248,460 = (202,000 * 1.23)

From this thread for this year:
5/14 Phoenix vs Minnesota ESPN 505,000
5/24 Los Angeles vs Chicago ESPN2 167,000
5/31 Minnesota vs New York ESPN2 246,000
6/7 New York vs Los Angeles ESPN2 168,000
6/14 Indiana vs Minnesota ESPN2 217,000
6/21 Phoenix vs Dallas ESPN2 230,000
6/29 Dallas vs Los Angeles ESPN2 185,000
7/5 Chicago vs Minnesota ESPN2 232,000
7/19 Los Angeles vs Indiana ESPN2 154,000


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PostPosted: 08/02/16 8:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

7/29 USA vs Canada NBATV 113,000
7/31 USA vs Australia NBATV 119,000

The Men's exhibition after the Canada game averaged 294,000 viewers.


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PostPosted: 08/03/16 9:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.excellesports.com/news/metrics-show-people-watching-wnba-season/

in this article it states the same thing, but also notes that league attendance is up by 2.3% from last season. That's basically the difference from the Stars moving back to the AT&T Center. Anyone have attendance numbers up to date??



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PostPosted: 08/10/16 10:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NBC PR reports that Sunday's game averaged 1.7 million viewers.

I am not a big fan of just taking what network PR says, but there is no other way of getting the numbers. NBC opted to code their cable Olympic coverage in giant blocks, so the only numbers available are for more than just the game.


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PostPosted: 08/29/16 8:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

8/26 New York vs San Antonio NBATV 36,000
8/26 Los Angeles vs Seattle NBATV 39,000


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PostPosted: 08/29/16 9:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
8/26 New York vs San Antonio NBATV 36,000
8/26 Los Angeles vs Seattle NBATV 39,000


Compare to football in the same time slots on the same Friday night. Keep in mind these are secondary leagues, preseason NFl, HS, and a bad college game. Just wait until it's NFL regular season and meaningful college games:

Canadian Football League game, ESPN2 - 53,000
High School Football, ESPNU - 59,000
Arena Football League championship game, ESPN - 413,000
College Football, Cal vs Hawaii from Australia, ESPN - 782,000
NFL preseason game, NFL Network - 918,000

Tough to gain a lot of traction or growth now that football season has begun.

BTW, BELLATOR MMA LIVE on Spike drew 725,000 viewers Friday night.


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PostPosted: 08/30/16 9:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
8/26 New York vs San Antonio NBATV 36,000
8/26 Los Angeles vs Seattle NBATV 39,000


Compare to football in the same time slots on the same Friday night. Keep in mind these are secondary leagues, preseason NFl, HS, and a bad college game. Just wait until it's NFL regular season and meaningful college games:

Canadian Football League game, ESPN2 - 53,000
High School Football, ESPNU - 59,000
Arena Football League championship game, ESPN - 413,000
College Football, Cal vs Hawaii from Australia, ESPN - 782,000
NFL preseason game, NFL Network - 918,000

Tough to gain a lot of traction or growth now that football season has begun.

BTW, BELLATOR MMA LIVE on Spike drew 725,000 viewers Friday night.


A different marketing campaign is not going to impact these numbers much at all. Let's say that better ads -- if there were some -- increased viewership by 10%, a pretty impressive performance for an ad.

That would push the NBA-TV numbers just above 40,000. What the WNBA need to be considered a major sport is an increase by a factor of 10 (1,000%). I don't see any marketing program making that kind of difference ...



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8/27 Washington vs Indiana NBATV 34,000
8/28 Connecticut vs Atlanta NBATV 37,000
8/28 Seattle vs Minnesota ESPN2 220,000
8/28 Los Angeles vs Phoenix ESPN2 233,000


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8/30 Phoenix vs Indiana NBATV 47,000


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9/1 New York vs Indiana NBATV 25,000
9/2 Seattle vs Chicago NBATV 40,000


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awhom111 wrote:
9/1 New York vs Indiana NBATV 25,000
9/2 Seattle vs Chicago NBATV 40,000


Tough to compete for sportsfans eyeballs now that it's football season

9/1
South Carolina vs Vandy ESPN 1,942,000
Patriots vs Giants preseason game NFLN 1,071,000
Indiana vs FIU ESPNU 211,000

Plus there were games on BTN, SECN, PACN, CBSSN, etc.

9/2
KSt vs Stanford FoxSp1. 1,358,000
Colorado vs ColSt ESPN. 1,073,000


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awhom111 wrote:
9/1 New York vs Indiana NBATV 25,000
9/2 Seattle vs Chicago NBATV 40,000


The surprising one here is New York. Good team, big city, basketball town, yet really only a rounding error watching the game.



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awhom111 wrote:
9/1 New York vs Indiana NBATV 25,000
9/2 Seattle vs Chicago NBATV 40,000


The surprising one here is New York. Good team, big city, basketball town, yet really only a rounding error watching the game.


awhom probably should run a footnote with each post. Something like:
*This game was also shown on MSG+, FSI, and League Pass, the viewer numbers for which I am not reporting.



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BTW, just as a point of reference, the ND vs Texas football game on Sunday night delivered 10.9 million viewers (the largest audience on the opening weekend of the season, regardless of network, since at least 1995).


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9/3 Phoenix vs New York NBATV 37,000
9/4 Washington vs Dallas NBATV 53,000
9/4 Indiana vs Los Angeles NBATV 48,000

Shades wrote:
ClayK wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
9/1 New York vs Indiana NBATV 25,000
9/2 Seattle vs Chicago NBATV 40,000


The surprising one here is New York. Good team, big city, basketball town, yet really only a rounding error watching the game.


awhom probably should run a footnote with each post. Something like:
*This game was also shown on MSG+, FSI, and League Pass, the viewer numbers for which I am not reporting.


Obviously in-market, you have to watch the local broadcast, but how far out do those markets extend, especially compared to NBA ones? What options does someone in Las Vegas have to watch the Sparks? How about New Mexico and the Mercury?


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9/6 Minnesota vs Los Angeles ESPN2 214,000

For reference, Wednesday's NWSL game averaged 76,000 viewers on FS1.


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I think itís fair to say that womenís basketball is ahead of womenís soccer on the niche sports scale. I actually watched a little of that NWSL game, and the bigger field highlights the fact that the women are not as fast or as strong as the men. In basketball, the smaller court size tends to minimize that difference, though it still obvious.



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9/11 New York vs Dallas NBATV 22,000
9/11 Los Angeles vs Seattle NBATV 47,000

For reference, Sunday night's NWSL game averaged 60,000 viewers on FS1.


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PostPosted: 09/13/16 10:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

For more reference, Sunday Night Football between the Patriots and Cardinals on the 11th on NBC drew 20.65 million ( which was down quite a bit from the previous two years).


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9/13 Minnesota vs Chicago ESPN2 265,000
9/13 Phoenix vs Los Angeles NBATV 61,000


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PostPosted: 09/14/16 9:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

For reference

9/13 World Cup of Hockey (Finland vs US) ESPN - 439,000
9/13 WWE Smackdown (pro wrestling) USA Network - 2.66 millon


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