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PostPosted: 09/15/16 9:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
For reference

9/13 World Cup of Hockey (Finland vs US) ESPN - 439,000
9/13 WWE Smackdown (pro wrestling) USA Network - 2.66 millon


For me, at least, Art's reality checks, and mine, are a way to focus on the important issues in women's basketball. The WNBA marketing campaign, good, bad or indifferent, is not going to move the needle nearly enough to have a major impact -- so going off on Lisa Borders for doing a poor job (if indeed she is) isn't really the issue.

And again, these numbers show the attendance and ratings problems reflect a much bigger picture, of which the WNBA is a small part. Blaming ESPN, Adam Silver, the mainstream media, etc., for where the WNBA fits on the athletic entertainment scale may have a minor effect on the situation, but nothing any of them can, will or should do is going to get the WNBA to match the World Cup of Hockey, much less the WWE.



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PostPosted: 09/15/16 11:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
For reference

9/13 World Cup of Hockey (Finland vs US) ESPN - 439,000
9/13 WWE Smackdown (pro wrestling) USA Network - 2.66 millon


For me, at least, Art's reality checks, and mine, are a way to focus on the important issues in women's basketball. The WNBA marketing campaign, good, bad or indifferent, is not going to move the needle nearly enough to have a major impact -- so going off on Lisa Borders for doing a poor job (if indeed she is) isn't really the issue.

And again, these numbers show the attendance and ratings problems reflect a much bigger picture, of which the WNBA is a small part. Blaming ESPN, Adam Silver, the mainstream media, etc., for where the WNBA fits on the athletic entertainment scale may have a minor effect on the situation, but nothing any of them can, will or should do is going to get the WNBA to match the World Cup of Hockey, much less the WWE.


Agreed, and I post some of these other sports numbers just to give some perspective. Numbers by themselves are meaningless unless they are viewed in relation to what is happening elsewhere. It seems sometimes there is lots of excitement because the ratings for a game rise from 25,000 to 50,000, or even to 250,000. But those increases don't affect the big picture. It may or may not be fair to compare the WNBA numbers to the NFL, but the reality is that whether the viewership is 20,000 or 50,000 or 500,000 doesn't really alter the WNBA's place in the universe compared to the NFL at 20 million.

I'd love to see the WNBA draw 500,000 for every televised game, but I can't even imagine what any of those in charge could do to generate a 1000% increase. That's just not very realistic on any short term basis.

Which is why, if it was me, I'd be focusing at this point on local advertising in cities with teams, centered on promoting specific upcoming games in an effort to generate increases in local ticket sales and attendance. I think building attendance will, over time, build interest which, over time, will build attention and visibility and credibility and TV audiences.

I just find most of the current vague "image" advertising to be a total waste. Just what is "Watch me work" supposed to accomplish?

And whatever has been done over the first 20 years seems to have hit a wall. Can't just keep doing the same thing and expect dramatically better results. A new focus and a new effort to start over from scratch to build an audience would seem to be in order. And I'm not an advertising expert, but personally, I'd start by building local audiences and attendance in the WNBA cities. I'd be using cheap local radio and TV ads to promote the next upcoming game. (And if you become one of the paying advertisers supporting the local sports radio station by running ads promoting "come see the Mystics take on the reigning WNBA league MVP and Olympic Gold medalist, Elaina Delle Donne, this Friday at 7pm at the Verizon Center. Tickets on sale now at Ticketmaster. Get a family pack for only $40" or whatever, they're a lot more likely to start including the team and the upcoming game in the sports talk and news. They'd probably even include segments with interviews and call ins with the coach, GM, or players about the upcoming game. They're certainly not doing that now in DC.)

Oh, BTW, that's also why I'm so pissed off about the Mystics upcoming move. It strikes me as simply waiving a white flag and preventing any possible future growth by capping attendance at 4200 for the next twenty years. It's like the Mystics have proclaimed "we're small time and we're going to stay that way, damnit!". If you expect your audience to be only 3-4000 per game, then I guess having only 25,000 watch on TV probably isn't all that surprising.


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PostPosted: 09/15/16 12:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wait... 500,000 is only double a nice draw on ESPN2. That's only a 100% increase.

Maybe the Mystics and the Wings are content with smaller venues because they see the future of the real revenue being in television. Might as well be efficient until the situation changes.

If there becomes a big demand to watch the Mystics in person, that should drive up the ticket prices. If there's overwhelming demand I guess it would be worthwhile to go back to where they were. Contracts can be reworked.



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PostPosted: 09/15/16 1:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Wait... 500,000 is only double a nice draw on ESPN2. That's only a 100% increase.


And how many of those games are there compared to the 15-40,000 viewer games?

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Maybe the Mystics and the Wings are content with smaller venues because they see the future of the real revenue being in television. Might as well be efficient until the situation changes.


So you think that TV audiences are going to skyrocket while ticket sales stagnate at 4,000/game?

I doubt if the Mystics consider that any more likely to occur than I do.

It's really easy to throw out any "well maybe. . . ." fantasy, but that's not much of a basis for coming up with a real strategy.

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If there becomes a big demand to watch the Mystics in person, that should drive up the ticket prices. If there's overwhelming demand I guess it would be worthwhile to go back to where they were. Contracts can be reworked.


And so you think WNBA ticket demand is completely inelastic. The Mystics can't sell tickets for $10, but people will eagerly pay $100 to be one of the 4200 who can get in the door.

If that happens, you'll have a ready topic for your Economics dissertation.

It takes two to agree to change contracts. Leonsis is not going to pay back the millions it would take to get out of the commitment he made to keep the Mystics in SE DC, and given the politics involved, there's approximately zero likelihood the city would ever agree in any event.

As I said, agreeing to put the Mystics in this shoebox for the next twenty years shouts what Leonsis believes is the future of his WNBA franchise. And what's his incentive to pay to promote ticket sales when there aren't a significant number of tickets to sell anyhow?




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Is there any demand for the WNBA in Canada? WC of hockey hasn't begun yet I thought. Or is that a pre tournament game?


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Is there any demand for the WNBA in Canada? WC of hockey hasn't begun yet I thought. Or is that a pre tournament game?


You're correct. That was the "final pre-tournament game in advance of the World Cup of Hockey 2016." Sorry.

Although that actually makes the viewership disparity even worse.


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Deleted post. Irrelevant on my part.




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I also don't think the WNBA has much appeal outside the US (except possibly Canada). Most americans are not super big into hockey (I'm from the far north so I am) but international hockey always does extremely well in Finland (go Suomi), Sweden and Eastern Europe (and Canada of course). Millions will be watching the WC Hockey I think. I'm off topic though.

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josephkramer44 wrote:
Is there any demand for the WNBA in Canada? WC of hockey hasn't begun yet I thought. Or is that a pre tournament game?


You're correct. That was the "final pre-tournament game in advance of the World Cup of Hockey 2016." Sorry.

Although that actually makes the viewership disparity even worse.


These TV ratings are only for the US. Who's watching elsewhere is irrelevant.


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PostPosted: 09/15/16 6:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't see the Mystics' move as being fatal.
There's a fair comparison there with the NBL (aussies men's pro league). My team had to move when the nice stadium in the middle of the city got knocked down. They went from a nice 7800 seat centrally-located stadium to a basic 4200 seat stadium out in the suburbs with nothing else around it. But during their time there they were successful on the court, they did a good job of building up their brand locally even though the league as a whole was in decline, and after a few years they started selling out the place. It became a hot ticket as a result. And through those years the team had much lower stadium hire costs to deal with.

The Mystics attendance is pathetic. I attended a game there and was embarrassed for the team and the league about how sparse and lacking in atmosphere the game experience was as a fan. If they can find a way to get the same number of people into a more intimate venue it will be a more enjoyable fan experience than it currently is.
(and as I type this ... yikes ... this WAS @ ATL game looks exactly like the Mystics one I attended)

The Mystics out-growing their new stadium is not something to fear, it would be something to welcome IMO.



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Yep, it will be a better atmosphere than an empty Verizon Center.

That doesn't alter that the move screams "we know we can't draw and we don't expect any improvement in that for the next twenty years."

The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's a total surrender. Among other things, there's no opportunity for increasing ticket revenue to pay higher player salaries.


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PostPosted: 09/15/16 7:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You call it surrender, I call it being realistic.
What do you think the chances are that they won't be able to fit all the fans into the new stadium? Pretty slim I'd say.

Yes, the move does indeed say "we can't draw"
And fair enough, because it is obvious to everyone that that is true. They can't draw. I don't see what denial of that is going to achieve.



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Realistic? 4200 is fewer than their LOWEST game attendance of the season. No more occasional 10,000+ game, no more 6,000 average. It's not only a total declaration of failure, but it precludes any future improvement or success.

It's indefensible, so don't try.


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Realistic? 4200 is fewer than their LOWEST game attendance of the season. No more occasional 10,000+ game, no more 6,000 average. It's not only a total declaration of failure, but it precludes any future improvement or success.

It's indefensible, so don't try.

Laughing 4200 might be fewer than their lowest published "attendance" number, but 4200 seats is more than enough to accommodate any actual Mystics crowd I have seen this season, and I use the word crowd only because I can't think of a better word for a sparse gathering of people at one location.

I want nothing but success for every WNBA franchise, Mystics included, and I know you hate the move for a number of reasons - some of which are pretty rock solid. I just don't think this one is.



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They reported 12,000 for one game. Even with the usual Mystics inflation, they still had over double 4200.

They were well over 4000 virtually every game this year. And again, that's even factoring in their well-known exaggeration.

Maybe this looks like a good move from twelve thousand miles away. From ten miles away the contrary reality is glaringly obvious.


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They were well over 4000 virtually every game this year.

Actual humans? Have you watched any Mystics games? Anything in four figures is often generous.



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PostPosted: 09/16/16 10:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I’m very curious as to the experience in Dallas, well, Arlington, this year. How did that go? Was that a good experience for the fans? Did it make money for the Wings?

I really haven’t heard anything about how this worked in a smaller venue. I thought it was the best way to go, but you never know until you try.

Does anyone have any insight as to how the smaller arena affected the Wings this year, and how it affected the fan experience?



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PostPosted: 09/16/16 7:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

9/15 Washington vs Atlanta NBATV 54,000

The USWNT drubbing of Thailand averaged 266,000 on ESPN2. The first Drone Racing League broadcast on ESPN2 at 11pm ET averaged 106,000 viewers.


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9/16 Minnesota vs Indiana NBATV 77,000
9/16 San Antonio vs Los Angeles NBATV 47,000

The E League Qualifier averaged 361,000 viewers on TBS at 10pm ET. Sure, it had a favorable and presumably compatible lead-in, but at the end of the day, it's people playing video games.


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I can't imagine the first round games on ESPNEWS will be any better than any NBATV ratings.



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I can't imagine the first round games on ESPNEWS will be any better than any NBATV ratings.


They'll be a little better because they're not competing with local broadcasts in the home markets.



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I can't say I'm familiar with America's tv setup but ESPNEWS for the WNBA playoffs sounds pretty disrespecty to me.



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Luuuc wrote:
I can't say I'm familiar with America's tv setup but ESPNEWS for the WNBA playoffs sounds pretty disrespecty to me.


I'm curious.... do the international fans get all the live broadcasts on League Pass, no matter what station it's being broadcast on in the states?



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I'm curious.... do the international fans get all the live broadcasts on League Pass, no matter what station it's being broadcast on in the states?

Australia gets them all.



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PostPosted: 09/20/16 8:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

9/17 Atlanta vs Minnesota NBATV 64,000
9/18 Dallas vs Indiana ESPN2 97,000
9/18 Chicago vs Seattle NBATV 47,000

toad455 wrote:
I can't imagine the first round games on ESPNEWS will be any better than any NBATV ratings.


Technically they will be zero, because ESPN stopped ordering Nielsen ratings for ESPNEWS a while ago. Before they stopped, the network was in around the same number of homes as ESPNU, so assume around 60%. NBATV is in around 46% of television households. For that reason, do not expect to find ratings for those two games.

Whether non-hardcore fans will be able to find ESPNEWS is a different question. It probably depends on where the channel is located in the wider lineup. On DirecTV for examples, ESPNEWS is on 207, between ESPN at 206 and ESPN2 at 209 (ESPNU at 208) so sports fans just surfing channels on the system would probably stumble on it if they are interested. The other issue of course is the 6pm ET start of the first game as the overall television audience at that hour is obviously much lower than later in the night even if that means less competition.


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awhom111 wrote:
9/17 Atlanta vs Minnesota NBATV 64,000
9/18 Dallas vs Indiana ESPN2 97,000
9/18 Chicago vs Seattle NBATV 47,000

toad455 wrote:
I can't imagine the first round games on ESPNEWS will be any better than any NBATV ratings.


Technically they will be zero, because ESPN stopped ordering Nielsen ratings for ESPNEWS a while ago. Before they stopped, the network was in around the same number of homes as ESPNU, so assume around 60%. NBATV is in around 46% of television households. For that reason, do not expect to find ratings for those two games.

Whether non-hardcore fans will be able to find ESPNEWS is a different question. It probably depends on where the channel is located in the wider lineup. On DirecTV for examples, ESPNEWS is on 207, between ESPN at 206 and ESPN2 at 209 (ESPNU at 208) so sports fans just surfing channels on the system would probably stumble on it if they are interested. The other issue of course is the 6pm ET start of the first game as the overall television audience at that hour is obviously much lower than later in the night even if that means less competition.


On our Comcast, ESPNews is 726, right after ESPN (724), ESPN2 (725) and just before NBATV (727).



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are these ESPNEWS games also on ESPN3? My provider doesn't list ESPNEWS and I'd hate to miss these games today.



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9/24 Phoenix vs New York NBATV 81,000
9/25 Atlanta vs Chicago ESPN2 126,000

Sunday's game ran against the early NFL window, which averaged 19,168,000 viewers on FOX and 13,088,000 viewers on CBS. The World Cup of Hockey on ESPN at the same time averaged 297,000 viewers. Basketball Wives LA aired two new episodes on Sunday night that averaged 1,091,000 and 1,446,000 viewers. In other women's sports competition, a college volleyball tripleheader on ESPNU averaged 45,000 + 23,000 + 53,000 viewers and the late NWSL game averaged 47,000 viewers on FS1.


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9/28 Phoenix vs Minnesota ESPN2 292,000
9/28 Chicago vs Los Angeles ESPN2 237,000

The MVP press conference averaged 29,000 viewers in 10 minutes of coverage on NBATV.


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These seem like good numbers, even though the games weren't very good.

Lisa Borders was quoted as saying TV ratings are out, but I haven't seen any hard numbers. Are there any out there?



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ClayK wrote:
These seem like good numbers, even though the games weren't very good.

Lisa Borders was quoted as saying TV ratings are out, but I haven't seen any hard numbers. Are there any out there?


Not to belabor a point but I wouldn't trust a thing Lisa Borders says without independent verification. What I am having a hard time figuring out is why the attendance levels of the playoff games so far are so much lower than the team averages this year. Let's hope for more entertaining games (no matter who wins). Parity is one of the WNBA's strengths.


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Regarding the Mystics attendance discussion up above, Leonsis said in an article sometime ago that some of the Mystics attendance numbers are based on sponsors who buy up some of those empty seats. Not sure why the seats would stay empty in that scenario, or even if that's the truth. If it is the truth though, wouldn't that be a reason to stay put rather than move? If a published attendance is indicative of ticket sales to sponsors, that's still 3,000 more tickets being "sold" than would be in the new building. That's a head scratcher to me.



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10/02 Los Angeles vs Chicago ESPN 178,000
10/02 Minnesota vs Phoenix ESPN 243,000

If you're wondering why Friday's games were not on the big two channels... ESPN's broadcasts during that time averaged 1,015,000 for a pregame show and 3,333,000 for the game. Baseball on ESPN2 averaged 584,000 and then football averaged 579,000.

The NWSL semifinals on FS1 averaged 63,000 on Friday and 105,000 on Sunday.

The MLS game before the Game 3s averaged 220,000 on ESPN. For competition, the early NFL timeslots averaged 16,446,000 on CBS and 11,231,000 on FOX while the late FOX timeslot averaged 22,697,000. Basketball Wives averaged 1,678,000 on Sunday.

Women's college sports on Sunday averaged 73,000 on ESPN2 and 28,000 and 29,000 on ESPNU.

If you wondered what preseason NBA games average on NBATV, the first one on Saturday averaged 232,000 while Sunday night's game averaged 77,000. Monday's afternoon game, which also featured one non-NBA team averaged 74,000 while the night games averaged 140,000 and 96,000.


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One other big event that day, the Ryder Cup averaged 4.3 million over its 6 hours on Sunday and peaked at 6.4 million viewers from 5-5:15 pm on NBC.


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Parity is one of the WNBA's strengths.


I know... I just love the parity Minnesota has been enjoying the past 6 years.


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10/04 Los Angeles vs Chicago ESPN2 198,000

On ESPN, the NBA preseason game at the same time averaged 770,000 and the game after averaged 1,202,000.


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10/04 Los Angeles vs Chicago ESPN2 198,000

On ESPN, the NBA preseason game at the same time averaged 770,000 and the game after averaged 1,202,000.

That's depressing. Preseason's basically unwatchable garbage basketball, often played in large part by guys you'll barely see during the regular season. And five times as many people still wanted to watch it over a WNBA playoff game.



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Shades wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
Parity is one of the WNBA's strengths.


I know... I just love the parity Minnesota has been enjoying the past 6 years.


That statement is very hard to argue with. I think Glenn Taylor has gone with the idea that you have to spend money to make money. From what I have gathered on this board and from other people the Lynx players are treated better and given better facilities, more attention and other perks (as oppose to teams like the Mystics). That might be why the Lynx attract good players. The Lynx might continue their domination for a long time too; if Glenn Taylor makes it appealing to play for them.

However even their attendance for their two playoff games was abysmal. Having been in the Excel center many times for hockey games I know the lower level does not seat 9,000 people and much of it appeared to be empty (as well as the skyboxes) for both of the games, especially the first one. Minnesota is also very hungry for professional sports success. As far as the big four go the last time a Minnesota team won a championship was 1991 (baseball Twins).


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As far as the big four go the last time a Minnesota team won a championship was 1991 (baseball Twins).


And they had to cheat to get that one



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josephkramer44 wrote:
As far as the big four go the last time a Minnesota team won a championship was 1991 (baseball Twins).


And they had to cheat to get that one


I was too young to understand much of what was going on in 1991. What was the controversy behind that one please? I don't recall one but I was too young to know a whole lot aside from a home run and getting to home plate.


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pilight wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
As far as the big four go the last time a Minnesota team won a championship was 1991 (baseball Twins).


And they had to cheat to get that one


I was too young to understand much of what was going on in 1991. What was the controversy behind that one please? I don't recall one but I was too young to know a whole lot aside from a home run and getting to home plate.

LMAO.

We had a bobble head made of that moment. Hrbek is considered a 4 letter word in Atlanta.

Look up Hrbek and Gant 91 world series.



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josephkramer44 wrote:
pilight wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
As far as the big four go the last time a Minnesota team won a championship was 1991 (baseball Twins).


And they had to cheat to get that one


I was too young to understand much of what was going on in 1991. What was the controversy behind that one please? I don't recall one but I was too young to know a whole lot aside from a home run and getting to home plate.


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PostPosted: 10/05/16 11:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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10/04 Los Angeles vs Chicago ESPN2 198,000

On ESPN, the NBA preseason game at the same time averaged 770,000 and the game after averaged 1,202,000.

That's depressing. Preseason's basically unwatchable garbage basketball, often played in large part by guys you'll barely see during the regular season. And five times as many people still wanted to watch it over a WNBA playoff game.


Consider also that the Orioles vs BlueJays wild card game drew 4,195,000, and WWE Smackdown drew 2,316,000. But at least all of those events were live.

Perhaps the most depressing is that a 9pm replay of a UFC fight from last February on FS1 drew 253,000.


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PostPosted: 10/07/16 2:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Something to note about the NFL numbers, they are freaking out about how bad their numbers are...

http://deadspin.com/nfl-memo-blames-plummeting-tv-ratings-on-presidential-e-1787539401



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PostPosted: 10/10/16 1:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.hoopfeed.com/content/2016/10/10/espn-2016-wnba-finals-game-1-delivers-best-overnight-rating-since-2010/

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Game 1 of the 2015 WNBA Finals, which aired Sunday, Oct. 9, on ABC, delivered a 0.5 overnight rating, the best since 2010. The matchup between the Minnesota Lynx and the Los Angeles Sparks resulted in a +25 percent increase from last year’s Game 1.



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Is that good or bad? Does it being broadcast on a major network rather than ESPN or ESPN2 help a lot? With it being broadcast on a Sunday does that make a difference if it was done on Friday or Saturday (obviously it does during the regular work week)?

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http://www.hoopfeed.com/content/2016/10/10/espn-2016-wnba-finals-game-1-delivers-best-overnight-rating-since-2010/

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Game 1 of the 2015 WNBA Finals, which aired Sunday, Oct. 9, on ABC, delivered a 0.5 overnight rating, the best since 2010. The matchup between the Minnesota Lynx and the Los Angeles Sparks resulted in a +25 percent increase from last year’s Game 1.


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PostPosted: 10/10/16 3:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

josephkramer44 wrote:
Is that good or bad? Does it being broadcast on a major network rather than ESPN or ESPN2 help a lot? With it being broadcast on a Sunday does that make a difference if it was done on Friday or Saturday (obviously it does during the regular work week)?

pilight wrote:
http://www.hoopfeed.com/content/2016/10/10/espn-2016-wnba-finals-game-1-delivers-best-overnight-rating-since-2010/

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Game 1 of the 2015 WNBA Finals, which aired Sunday, Oct. 9, on ABC, delivered a 0.5 overnight rating, the best since 2010. The matchup between the Minnesota Lynx and the Los Angeles Sparks resulted in a +25 percent increase from last year’s Game 1.


Game 3 of Min/Phx had 243,000 and that was 0.2. So, 0.5 would be 607,500 viewers.

I wonder what the NWSL championship ratings were. They had 8,255 attendance for a neutral site game in Houston between two east coast teams. Didn't look very full on TV though.


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Lol at the wnba playing three card monte with the ratings.Of course the ratings went up.The game was nationally televised on ABC,as opposed to being on a cable network(espn).Lets just call the ratings what they were....Pathetic.


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PostPosted: 10/10/16 3:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If up 25% over last year's broadcast on ABC is considered pathetic, I guess I'll take pathetic. Hard for me to see it as anything but a positive.

Plus, these extra 25% saw a excellent game.


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PostPosted: 10/10/16 3:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Lol at the wnba playing three card monte with the ratings.Of course the ratings went up.The game was nationally televised on ABC,as opposed to being on a cable network(espn).Lets just call the ratings what they were....Pathetic.


Last year's Game 1 was also on ABC



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PostPosted: 10/10/16 3:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Lol at the wnba playing three card monte with the ratings.Of course the ratings went up.The game was nationally televised on ABC,as opposed to being on a cable network(espn).Lets just call the ratings what they were....Pathetic.


Last year's Game 1 was also on ABC


Well then I stand corrected.I thought last year's game 1 was on ESPN.


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