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PostPosted: 05/16/16 12:03 pm    ::: TV ratings Reply Reply with quote

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2016/05/espn-posts-highest-wnba-overnight-ratings-for-a-regular-season-game-since-2011/

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ESPN’s Saturday tip-off of the 2016 WNBA season was the highest-rated, regular-season WNBA game on the ESPN networks (excluding ABC) since 2011, and the highest-rated, regular-season weekend WNBA game on the ESPN networks (excluding ABC) since 2005.



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This is why ESPN gives so many games to the Lynx.



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PostPosted: 05/16/16 1:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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This is why ESPN gives so many games to the Lynx.


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PostPosted: 05/16/16 1:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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This is why ESPN gives so many games to the Lynx.


Here is the breakdown for total games televised on ESPN2 & ESPN3 per team:

San Antonio 7
Phoenix 6
Indiana 6
Dallas 6
Minnesota 6
New York 5
Los Angeles 5
Chicago 5
Washington 5
Connecticut 4
Atlanta 4
Seattle 4


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ESPN3 isn't quite the same as being on the national broadcast.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=88478



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Shades wrote:
ESPN3 isn't quite the same as being on the national broadcast.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=88478



And I am sure the Phoenix Mercury had a lot to do with high ratings.


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PostPosted: 05/16/16 7:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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This is why ESPN gives so many games to the Lynx.


The Lynx did win the title last year so I don't have a problem with that. However, I am certain that many fans tuned in bevause Diana was returning along with Penny. I am not surprised that so many tuned in, plus it was the only game that was on tv.


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Shades wrote:
ESPN3 isn't quite the same as being on the national broadcast.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=88478


That's true. So let's just look at the games on ESPN and ESPN2. Games on ESPN3 are listed in parentheses.

Minnesota: 6 (0)
LA: 5 (0)
Phoenix: 4 (2)
Indiana: 3 (3)
Dallas: 3 (3)
Chicago: 2 (2)
NY: 2 (3)
Atlanta: 1 (4)
Seattle: 1 (3)
Connecticut: 0 (4)
San Antonio: 0 (7)
Washington: 0 (5)

Did they make these TV decisions based on star power/popularity, or are they based on predicted competitiveness?

Minnesota has 4 (USA) Olympians and 6 TV games.
Phoenix has 2 Olympians and 4 games.
Seattle has 2 Olympians and only 1 game.
Indiana has 1 Olympian and 3 games.
NY has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Chicago has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Atlanta has 1 Olympian and 1 game.
LA has 0 Olympians and 5 games!
Dallas has 0 Olympians and 3 games.
Connecticut has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
San Antonio has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
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PostPosted: 05/17/16 8:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't know where to ask this so I'll put it in here...

Why aren't there any games today? Two days of games for the opening days and then two days of nothing. It sorta kills momentum.


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miller40 wrote:
I don't know where to ask this so I'll put it in here...

Why aren't there any games today? Two days of games for the opening days and then two days of nothing. It sorta kills momentum.


the first few weeks of the season, most games will take place on the weekend with few games during the week. Has to do with kids still in school, NBA play-offs, possibly lack of arena availability(NBA, NHL play-offs). Some arenas close of certain dates if there team appears to go far into the NBA or NHL play-offs. Remember that year the Lakers, Clippers & Kings were all in the play-offs? Staples Center was basically unavailable for 2-3 straight weeks. Connecticut, Seattle, Chicago & Dallas don't have this issue to deal with, but the other 8 teams do.



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PostPosted: 05/17/16 8:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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miller40 wrote:
I don't know where to ask this so I'll put it in here...

Why aren't there any games today? Two days of games for the opening days and then two days of nothing. It sorta kills momentum.


the first few weeks of the season, most games will take place on the weekend with few games during the week. Has to do with kids still in school, NBA play-offs, possibly lack of arena availability(NBA, NHL play-offs). Some arenas close of certain dates if there team appears to go far into the NBA or NHL play-offs. Remember that year the Lakers, Clippers & Kings were all in the play-offs? Staples Center was basically unavailable for 2-3 straight weeks. Connecticut, Seattle, Chicago & Dallas don't have this issue to deal with, but the other 8 teams do.


There are plenty of week day games this week though. And none of those four teams who don't share facilities are playing today when they could be playing today -- and for some unknown reason Chicago is playing a 12:30 afternoon game against Minnesota tomorrow.


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PostPosted: 05/17/16 9:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA never plays games on Monday. It's like a sacred day to the league.



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PostPosted: 05/17/16 9:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

miller40 wrote:
and for some unknown reason Chicago is playing a 12:30 afternoon game against Minnesota tomorrow.


It's "School Day". Early games like this almost always revolve around bussing in kids on field trips to watch the games. Prepare to hear thousands of kids screaming at the top of their lungs. Everybody's favorite games of the year.



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PostPosted: 05/17/16 10:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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miller40 wrote:
and for some unknown reason Chicago is playing a 12:30 afternoon game against Minnesota tomorrow.


It's "School Day". Early games like this almost always revolve around bussing in kids on field trips to watch the games. Prepare to hear thousands of kids screaming at the top of their lungs. Everybody's favorite games of the year.


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PostPosted: 05/17/16 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess I will use this thread for average viewership of all national TV games. Numbers are usually taken from sportstvratings.com

If a game is nationally and locally simulcast, only the national channel ratings are included.

5/14 Phoenix vs Minnesota ESPN 505,000

The number is less impressive taking into account that it was lower than the SEC Softball Championship before it, but apparently a very good result relative to usual ESPN games.


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PostPosted: 05/17/16 11:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Shades wrote:
ESPN3 isn't quite the same as being on the national broadcast.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=88478


That's true. So let's just look at the games on ESPN and ESPN2. Games on ESPN3 are listed in parentheses.

Minnesota: 6 (0)
LA: 5 (0)
Phoenix: 4 (2)
Indiana: 3 (3)
Dallas: 3 (3)
Chicago: 2 (2)
NY: 2 (3)
Atlanta: 1 (4)
Seattle: 1 (3)
Connecticut: 0 (4)
San Antonio: 0 (7)
Washington: 0 (5)

Did they make these TV decisions based on star power/popularity, or are they based on predicted competitiveness?

Minnesota has 4 (USA) Olympians and 6 TV games.
Phoenix has 2 Olympians and 4 games.
Seattle has 2 Olympians and only 1 game.
Indiana has 1 Olympian and 3 games.
NY has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Chicago has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Atlanta has 1 Olympian and 1 game.
LA has 0 Olympians and 5 games!
Dallas has 0 Olympians and 3 games.
Connecticut has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
San Antonio has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
Washington has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
Ana Dabovic is playing for Serbia in Rio so LA has 1 Olympian on their roster. Indy was 2 Natalie Anchwon is playing for Canada.


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PostPosted: 05/18/16 1:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Libra_Girl wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Shades wrote:
ESPN3 isn't quite the same as being on the national broadcast.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=88478


That's true. So let's just look at the games on ESPN and ESPN2. Games on ESPN3 are listed in parentheses.

Minnesota: 6 (0)
LA: 5 (0)
Phoenix: 4 (2)
Indiana: 3 (3)
Dallas: 3 (3)
Chicago: 2 (2)
NY: 2 (3)
Atlanta: 1 (4)
Seattle: 1 (3)
Connecticut: 0 (4)
San Antonio: 0 (7)
Washington: 0 (5)

Did they make these TV decisions based on star power/popularity, or are they based on predicted competitiveness?

Minnesota has 4 (USA) Olympians and 6 TV games.
Phoenix has 2 Olympians and 4 games.
Seattle has 2 Olympians and only 1 game.
Indiana has 1 Olympian and 3 games.
NY has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Chicago has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Atlanta has 1 Olympian and 1 game.
LA has 0 Olympians and 5 games!
Dallas has 0 Olympians and 3 games.
Connecticut has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
San Antonio has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
Washington has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
Ana Dabovic is playing for Serbia in Rio so LA has 1 Olympian on their roster. Indy was 2 Natalie Anchwon is playing for Canada.


I was only counting USA Olympians. I put it for Minnesota (above in parentheses) but left it off for the rest that followed. It is harder to make the USA team so I was only counting them. Neither Ana nor Natalie even start for their WNBA teams, but all the USA Olympians do.


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I think it's most likely based on the ratings last year.



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PostPosted: 05/24/16 11:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Remember these are the national broadcast ratings only. Those who watch their local broadcast are not included (figures are also too small to be meaningful):

5/21 San Antonio vs Dallas NBATV 30,000
5/22 Chicago vs Atlanta NBATV 63,000


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5/24 Los Angeles vs Chicago ESPN2 167,000


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5/27 Atlanta vs Dallas NBATV 21,000


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5/24 Los Angeles vs Chicago ESPN2 167,000



Rather pathetic, no?



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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Shades wrote:
ESPN3 isn't quite the same as being on the national broadcast.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=88478


That's true. So let's just look at the games on ESPN and ESPN2. Games on ESPN3 are listed in parentheses.

Minnesota: 6 (0)
LA: 5 (0)
Phoenix: 4 (2)
Indiana: 3 (3)
Dallas: 3 (3)
Chicago: 2 (2)
NY: 2 (3)
Atlanta: 1 (4)
Seattle: 1 (3)
Connecticut: 0 (4)
San Antonio: 0 (7)
Washington: 0 (5)

Did they make these TV decisions based on star power/popularity, or are they based on predicted competitiveness?

Minnesota has 4 (USA) Olympians and 6 TV games.
Phoenix has 2 Olympians and 4 games.
Seattle has 2 Olympians and only 1 game.
Indiana has 1 Olympian and 3 games.
NY has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Chicago has 1 Olympian and 2 games.
Atlanta has 1 Olympian and 1 game.
LA has 0 Olympians and 5 games!
Dallas has 0 Olympians and 3 games.
Connecticut has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
San Antonio has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
Washington has 0 Olympians and 0 games.
Ana Dabovic is playing for Serbia in Rio so LA has 1 Olympian on their roster. Indy was 2 Natalie Anchwon is playing for Canada.


I was only counting USA Olympians. I put it for Minnesota (above in parentheses) but left it off for the rest that followed. It is harder to make the USA team so I was only counting them. Neither Ana nor Natalie even start for their WNBA teams, but all the USA Olympians do.
My bad I didn't know you were talking only US ones. Cp3 must have been talking about US Oympians when she told espn LA had no Oympians too.


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My bad I didn't know you were talking only US ones. Cp3 must have been talking about US Oympians when she told espn LA had no Oympians too.


Parker probably doesn't know who all is on other countries' Olympic teams.



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Forgot this one:
5/24 Atlanta vs New York NBATV 20,000

5/29 Indiana vs Atlanta NBATV 61,000


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pilight wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
My bad I didn't know you were talking only US ones. Cp3 must have been talking about US Oympians when she told espn LA had no Oympians too.


Parker probably doesn't know who all is on other countries' Olympic teams.
I don't expect her too but she doesn't know her own teammate is going to Rio?


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5/31 Minnesota vs New York ESPN2 246,000


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I don't understand why the wnba schedules night games during the first 3 rounds of the nba playoffs.It makes absolutely no sense.They should be playing nothing but day games for the first month of the season.School being in session is not a good enough answer.Start the games at 4pm or 4:30,but no more night games during the first 3 rounds of the nba playoffs.


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Libra_Girl wrote:
pilight wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
My bad I didn't know you were talking only US ones. Cp3 must have been talking about US Oympians when she told espn LA had no Oympians too.


Parker probably doesn't know who all is on other countries' Olympic teams.
I don't expect her too but she doesn't know her own teammate is going to Rio?


I think she was talking about US Olympians. Probably drawing attention to the fact that Phoenix has 2 and Minnesota has 4 while LA has none. But it doesn't matter - if LA doesn't win it all we will still see people blaming Parker in this forum. Just like other years in which they weren't the favorites, and yet it is still somehow claimed that they should have won it all.


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tfan wrote:


I think she was talking about US Olympians. Probably drawing attention to the fact that Phoenix has 2 and Minnesota has 4 while LA has none. But it doesn't matter - if LA doesn't win it all we will still see people blaming Parker in this forum. Just like other years in which they weren't the favorites, and yet it is still somehow claimed that they should have won it all.
That never made sense to me about all that talk about LA having all that talents on their roster to win it all in recent years especially in 2014. Honestly this season team is the best one they had in a while. Blaming one person on a team sport doesn't make sense either. Cp dropped 30pts and 15 rebounds in West final against Minny in 2012 and was the only one to show up in game 3 last playoff. I know Cp is good but she's not that good to beat a team by her self.


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6/7 New York vs Los Angeles ESPN2 168,000
6/7 Phoenix vs Minnesota NBATV 74,000


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6/12 Seattle vs Indiana NBATV 82,000


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6/14 Indiana vs Minnesota ESPN2 217,000


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6/18 Dallas vs Phoenix NBATV 53,000
6/18 Atlanta vs Washington NBATV 50,000
6/19 New York vs Indiana NBATV 74,000


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6/21 Phoenix vs Dallas ESPN2 230,000
6/21 Minnesota vs Los Angeles NBATV 88,000


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What's the NBA network's penetration? Does nobody get it on their system, or is it simply that no one pays any attention to it?

88k for the game between the two undefeated league leaders is pretty depressing.


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What's the NBA network's penetration? Does nobody get it on their system, or is it simply that no one pays any attention to it?

88k for the game between the two undefeated league leaders is pretty depressing.


I watched the game on time warner sports net.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
What's the NBA network's penetration? Does nobody get it on their system, or is it simply that no one pays any attention to it?

88k for the game between the two undefeated league leaders is pretty depressing.


Home fans usually watch it on a local network.



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pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
What's the NBA network's penetration? Does nobody get it on their system, or is it simply that no one pays any attention to it?

88k for the game between the two undefeated league leaders is pretty depressing.


Home fans usually watch it on a local network.

Plus it was on at any time from 12.30pm to 3.30pm depending on your region in the US. Surely most people were at work.



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The excuses may make people feel better but has there been any NBA TV game over 100,000? Time of day notwithstanding, 88k looks like the highest of the year. Lots of the games are closer to 20-30,000.

As for local broadcasts, I note awhom' s comment "Those who watch their local broadcast are not included (figures are also too small to be meaningful)."


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for a day game, 88K is a very good number.



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toad455 wrote:
for a day game, 88K is a very good number.


"Very good" relative to what?

Here's some numbers for other sports shows during the same daytime time slot on the same day.

A canned show on "Top 10 Cornerback Tandems" on the NFL Network drew 89,000.

College World Series game between OkSt and Az on ESPNU drew 112,000

The millionth or so rerun of Caddyshack on Golf Channel drew 121,000 viewers.

The Czech Rep vs Turkey soccer game on ESPN2 drew 194,000

The Croatia vs Spain soccer game on ESPN drew 708,000.


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Tomorrow's game with LA and Minnesota has been added to NBATV's broadcast.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
toad455 wrote:
for a day game, 88K is a very good number.


"Very good" relative to what?

Here's some numbers for other sports shows during the same daytime time slot on the same day.

A canned show on "Top 10 Cornerback Tandems" on the NFL Network drew 89,000.

College World Series game between OkSt and Az on ESPNU drew 112,000

The millionth or so rerun of Caddyshack on Golf Channel drew 121,000 viewers.

The Czech Rep vs Turkey soccer game on ESPN2 drew 194,000

The Croatia vs Spain soccer game on ESPN drew 708,000.


All of which explains why more WNBA games are not on TV.

It's not some grand conspiracy to keep women's sports down; it's just business.

If women's basketball fans want more TV games, then more of them have to watch the games that are already on TV.



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I also think most people don't have NBATV. I know 4 me its considered a premium channel.



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I also think most people don't have NBATV. I know 4 me its considered a premium channel.


57 million households. There was a regular season NBA game between Golden State and San Antonio that drew 2.6 million viewers in April of this year.

Yes, there are fewer NBA TV households than ESPN, but truly that doesn't explain 88,000.


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I also think most people don't have NBATV. I know 4 me its considered a premium channel.


But the WNBA does poorly on NBA-TV, relatively speaking, and also compared to other premium channels.

That said, it's great that the games are on, and as the quality of play improves -- and that does seem to be happening, and will continue to do so until expansion -- so should ratings, however slowly.



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ArtBest23 wrote:
The excuses may make people feel better but has there been any NBA TV game over 100,000? Time of day notwithstanding, 88k looks like the highest of the year. Lots of the games are closer to 20-30,000.

As for local broadcasts, I note awhom' s comment "Those who watch their local broadcast are not included (figures are also too small to be meaningful)."


Sorry. Shoddy use of parentheses there. I meant that NBATV games end up with figures that are too small to fairly compare with one another due to the margin of error. That just means that a game that rates at 88,000 viewers may not actually have been watched more than say one at 70,000 viewers whereas a game that rates at 880,000 viewers almost certainly had higher viewership than one rated at 700,000.

Local viewership obviously brings the total up, but those ratings are extremely difficult to get.

That household total for NBATV translates to about 47% of all television households. ESPNU is at about 61% and the two big ESPN channels are at 77% at last count. Keep in mind that channel placement matters since many viewers do not turn on their televisions with a plan on what to watch and just flip through their favorite or lower number channels. That's why the same event will always rate lower on ESPN2 than it would on ESPN even though both channels are in a virtually equal number of households. If more games were moved from ESPN2 to ESPN, that would obviously raise ratings, but games on pretty much any other national network would rate lower.


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