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J-Spoon
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Posted: 09/14/16 10:13 pm ::: |
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As of right this second
1. SA
2. Dallas
3. LA (from Conn for #5 J. Jomes LA also got C. Gray, that seem like a bad trade, I think Conn got a 2nd round pick they waived as well)
4. Was
5. PX
6. Seattle
7. Atl
8. Indy
9. Chi
10. Dallas (from NY for Zahui B.)
11. Dallas (from LA for R. Williams)
12. Minny
13. SA (unless they traded it?)
14. NY (from Dallas as part of Zahu B. trade I believe)
I'm not sure my trades are correct but they're close.
And then just for fun because it is an off night don't take too seriously but I tried
1. SA D. Deshields
2. Dallas A. Coates
3. LA B. Jones
4. Was S. Walker-Kimbrough
5. PX A. Jones
6. Sea K. Plum
7. Atl S. Cooper
8. Indy N. Coffey
9. Chi T. Scaife
10. Dallas N. Davis
11. Dallas L. Romero
12. Minn S. Weise
13. SA J. Jackson
14. NY (from Dallas) M. Epps
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Shades
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Posted: 09/14/16 11:34 pm ::: |
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Is DeShields the only one declaring early? It seems to be the trend to declare early. Did you see the juicy list of eligibles I supplied?
AJones will be higher Jones drafted.
Cooper #7? It's Cooper, not Copper. I'm wondering if she'll make the first round. She best have an amazing year.
I'm hoping the Lynx take advantage of Miller's love of the draft and are able to deal their first for Banham. It's been a trend for them to trade their highest pick.
If the Lynx intend to bring back every guard they now have, then I suppose a trade for Banham isn't too realistic.
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J-Spoon
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Posted: 09/15/16 12:20 am ::: |
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It is really difficult to predict early entry. Deshields seems like she is a good candidate because she has that pro swagger, and if her experience in Tenn doesn't improve greatly she might simply want to move forward in her career. Now who knows? Maybe she plays amazingly at Tenn and they get to the final four or beyond and her and Mercedes decide to stay for one more year to repeat and/or get over the final hump. I do not know Diamond, so I don't know if this applies, but if being a #1 draft pick is something she may be motivated by this would be the year to do it.
There are always some surprises, do you have a feeling about any other early entries? This draft could use a little more high end talent.
The fact the LA is getting a lottery pick is crazy, I thought for a second of maybe putting N Davis at LA's lottery pick because they could give her time to develop into being a wing, and with Parker, Ogwumike, Toliver and Beard all having strong outside shots, and lavender's mid-range Davis could be used in line ups where her shot wouldn't be a problem and she could even post up from the SF spot with a big on the perimeter.
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Shades
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Posted: 09/15/16 7:16 am ::: |
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You don't have to make an argument for DeShields declaring. It's about the only thing people universally agree on. I don't think she's in it for the edumacation. She could be the #1 pick in 2017 just on the hype of her name. In 2018, she'd be lucky to make top 4 unless she turns into a Taurasi.
Russell was #1 out of high school and she seemed like she made some improvement last year that helped Tennessee out in the later stages. She might be worth looking out for.
A lottery pick going to the Sparks is the biggest waste. Remember they had the #5 pick (near lottery pick) a couple years ago, and now her face is on a milk carton. Where is she? This year, Agler supposedly liked his top rookie as much as he could like a rookie but it didn't stop him from eventually cutting her. She ended up in SAN. Can't really blame Agler, because he and PHX have good overseas scouts. They can pick up experienced players already up to speed for the WNBA as free agents. Why waste time and resources on college rookies? I envy pickups like Dabovic, Tolo, Xargay, and Petrovic. The Lynx tried their hand at doing the same this year. Just their luck, they picked somebody who got pregnant.
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dtsnms
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Posted: 09/15/16 9:45 am ::: |
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I look at the draft discussion and still have absolutely no problem with the Sun trade with LA.
Jones will be IMO better than any of these picks, and Gray is still an extra guard in Connecticut with Thomas, Williams, Bentley and eventually Banham.
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Shades
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Posted: 09/15/16 11:11 am ::: |
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People are going to bag on that CON trade because Agler finally figured out he should maybe play some bench players, and then Gray went off with a couple great games recently. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones as the starting center next year. They'd be sitting really pretty if they would have somehow kept Williams, and then have Williams and Jones as the 1-2 punch at center. But they couldn't have anticipated Bone acting up like she did (or should they have?) They had Bone, so didn't need Williams, but man this new green coach was sure giddy about the draft. Tuck, Banham, Jones, Weisner (cut after shedding some tears), and eventually adding CWilliams.
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ClayK
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Posted: 09/15/16 11:34 am ::: |
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At this point, I think its hard to judge the trade because its unclear how good Alex Bentley or Chelsea Gray are going to be and this same could be set up Courtney Williams.
Bentley has had a bad year, and though Gray hasnt done much, shes been more effective than Bentley. Im still not a believer in Courtney Williams, but Jonquel Jones does indeed look like a keeper.
And of course, who knows how the number three pick will pan out. Right now, it doesnt look like its worth all that much but it's really hard to predict at this point. Kelsey Plum could turn out to be a legit WNBA scorer, and could conceivably be available at number three. Then again, neither of those statements could be true.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 09/15/16 11:54 am ::: |
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dtsnms wrote: |
I look at the draft discussion and still have absolutely no problem with the Sun trade with LA.
Jones will be IMO better than any of these picks, and Gray is still an extra guard in Connecticut with Thomas, Williams, Bentley and eventually Banham. |
Jones for Gray or Jones for the pick would've been fine; it's the price of Jones for Gray and the pick that always looked like an overpay.
And it's not like it was really Gray/2017 pick for Jones - it was Gray 2017 pick for an extra pick. If they loved Jones that much they could've taken her at 3 or 4 and passed on Tuck or Banham. They paid the expensive price to hedge their bets further by loading up on yet another 2016 rookie. |
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zune69
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Posted: 09/15/16 12:22 pm ::: |
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Would be funny if Wilson,Mitchell & Deshields all declare for the 2018 wnba draft.
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Shades
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Posted: 09/15/16 12:44 pm ::: |
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zune69 wrote: |
Would be funny if Wilson,Mitchell & Deshields all declare for the 2018 wnba draft. |
Why is it funny? That's the draft they're supposed to end up in. No declaration needed. DeShields has the option for 2017.
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J-Spoon
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Posted: 09/15/16 2:22 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
dtsnms wrote: |
I look at the draft discussion and still have absolutely no problem with the Sun trade with LA.
Jones will be IMO better than any of these picks, and Gray is still an extra guard in Connecticut with Thomas, Williams, Bentley and eventually Banham. |
Jones for Gray or Jones for the pick would've been fine; it's the price of Jones for Gray and the pick that always looked like an overpay.
And it's not like it was really Gray/2017 pick for Jones - it was Gray 2017 pick for an extra pick. If they loved Jones that much they could've taken her at 3 or 4 and passed on Tuck or Banham. They paid the expensive price to hedge their bets further by loading up on yet another 2016 rookie. |
Also (while it is a risk you have to take sometimes) I doubt Conn thought the first round pick in question was going to be a lottery pick, the pick could still turn out to be the #1 pick in this draft.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 09/15/16 2:49 pm ::: |
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J-Spoon wrote: |
Richyyy wrote: |
dtsnms wrote: |
I look at the draft discussion and still have absolutely no problem with the Sun trade with LA.
Jones will be IMO better than any of these picks, and Gray is still an extra guard in Connecticut with Thomas, Williams, Bentley and eventually Banham. |
Jones for Gray or Jones for the pick would've been fine; it's the price of Jones for Gray and the pick that always looked like an overpay.
And it's not like it was really Gray/2017 pick for Jones - it was Gray 2017 pick for an extra pick. If they loved Jones that much they could've taken her at 3 or 4 and passed on Tuck or Banham. They paid the expensive price to hedge their bets further by loading up on yet another 2016 rookie. |
Also (while it is a risk you have to take sometimes) I doubt Conn thought the first round pick in question was going to be a lottery pick, the pick could still turn out to be the #1 pick in this draft. |
If they didn't, that was just dumb. They had a new coach, new system, and a bunch of new players - most of them rookies - on a team that had already missed the playoffs for the last three years. That's a situation where at most you can be 'hopeful' of making the playoffs. You certainly can't assume or expect it. |
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J-Spoon
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Posted: 09/15/16 3:18 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
J-Spoon wrote: |
Richyyy wrote: |
dtsnms wrote: |
I look at the draft discussion and still have absolutely no problem with the Sun trade with LA.
Jones will be IMO better than any of these picks, and Gray is still an extra guard in Connecticut with Thomas, Williams, Bentley and eventually Banham. |
Jones for Gray or Jones for the pick would've been fine; it's the price of Jones for Gray and the pick that always looked like an overpay.
And it's not like it was really Gray/2017 pick for Jones - it was Gray 2017 pick for an extra pick. If they loved Jones that much they could've taken her at 3 or 4 and passed on Tuck or Banham. They paid the expensive price to hedge their bets further by loading up on yet another 2016 rookie. |
Also (while it is a risk you have to take sometimes) I doubt Conn thought the first round pick in question was going to be a lottery pick, the pick could still turn out to be the #1 pick in this draft. |
If they didn't, that was just dumb. They had a new coach, new system, and a bunch of new players - most of them rookies - on a team that had already missed the playoffs for the last three years. That's a situation where at most you can be 'hopeful' of making the playoffs. You certainly can't assume or expect it. |
I agree with everything you're saying, which is why I think it was a bad trade, but they may have thought a new coach and Chiney returning to a team with Bone and Bentley and some new young talent (#3 and #4 and J. Jones) that would be enough to take that step forward to the playoffs.
Otherwise trading C. Gray and a future lottery pick for the #6 pick in a draft where you have #3 and #4 sounds really crazy.
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Kailapea
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Posted: 09/15/16 3:48 pm ::: Re: 2017 WNBA Mock Draft |
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Didn't LA trade someone for a first round pick?
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zune69
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Shades
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Posted: 09/15/16 4:15 pm ::: Re: 2017 WNBA Mock Draft |
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Kailapea wrote: |
Didn't LA trade someone for a first round pick? |
That graphic is old. LAS owns CON's first round pick. Dallas owns NYL's first round pick.
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Kailapea
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Posted: 09/15/16 4:37 pm ::: Re: 2017 WNBA Mock Draft |
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Shades wrote: |
Kailapea wrote: |
Didn't LA trade someone for a first round pick? |
That graphic is old. LAS owns CON's first round pick. Dallas owns NYL's first round pick. |
Thanks, thought I was losing my mind.
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BelloFratello
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Posted: 09/15/16 5:41 pm ::: Olivia poupa |
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Bonjour everybody! I have a question about international draft eligibility. With this being a weak NCAA draft class, I'm wondering about foreign players who may be eligible for this upcoming draft, namely I am inquiring about Olivia poupa from France.
I'm rewatching the Australia vs. France game from the Olympics and she tore Australia's defense up. I'm thinking even in a draft class full of guards that her speed and international experience could get her into the first round or at the very least some draft attention from a number of teams. That is, if she is even eligible. She will turn 23 after the draft on April 30th of next year.
So basically I'm just wondering what the draft eligibility rules are for foreign players. And what makes some players who have been picked in the past ineligible (Yacoubou, Elina Babkina...umm...others?).
Also if anyone has any names of international players who should be looked at for 2017 either in the draft or as free agents that would be sensational!
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Richyyy
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Posted: 09/15/16 5:46 pm ::: |
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If you turn 20 in the year of the draft, and you're not part of the NCAA system (and never have been, and have no established plans to join it), then you're eligible for that draft. Epoupa went undrafted when she was eligible a couple of years ago (which didn't make much sense to me at the time), and is therefore an unrestricted free agent in WNBA terms.
The screw-ups in the past were largely due to taking people who were too old to be eligible, with Yacoubou the most egregious example. |
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BelloFratello
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Posted: 09/15/16 6:07 pm ::: |
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Ahhhh I see. So it seems with age being the main factor, it would be hard to scout out young foreign players, just because they tend to develop later in overseas leagues, unless it is an obvious talent like Lauren Jackson and Elizabeth Cambage. It makes sense why you see more foreigners coming over later in their career as free agents and a lot of drafted foreign players never even come over.
By the way, it's an honor to have a question answered by you! Thanks Richyyy
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sammieee
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Posted: 09/15/16 6:57 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
If you turn 20 in the year of the draft, and you're not part of the NCAA system (and never have been, and have no established plans to join it), then you're eligible for that draft. Epoupa went undrafted when she was eligible a couple of years ago (which didn't make much sense to me at the time), and is therefore an unrestricted free agent in WNBA terms.
The screw-ups in the past were largely due to taking people who were too old to be eligible, with Yacoubou the most egregious example. |
So, when would Angela Salvadores be eligible (since she went to Duke for a year, but will turn pro)? I figured someone would pick her as a 3rd round pick and stash her for a few years.
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