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PostPosted: 03/19/16 4:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Instead of changing fundamental rules and conventions of the game to satisfy a very small segment of people or chasing fans you will NEVER get, why not focus on forcing the players to RAISE their game.

#NoLoweringTheRim.
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Instead of changing fundamental rules and conventions of the game to satisfy a very small segment of people or chasing fans you will NEVER get, why not focus on forcing the players to RAISE their game.

#NoLoweringTheRim.


Not that I'm in favour of it, but at least lowering the rims is a measure that is physically possible and would have a fairly predictable cost to do. What effect it would have on the game and the audience is really just speculation at this point. Hard to know for sure until it is tried.
I'm very interested to hear how the league would go about "forcing the players to raise their game" though. Some kind of KPIs? Brittney, you need to average 9 boards & 4 blocks per game or else we're kicking you out of the league. Shoni, drop 5 lbs per month or else you don't get paid.
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Delle Donne was quoted in the USA Today piece as talking about wanting the female players to be able to "play above the rim". Which I assume is a reference to dunking.

But Auriemma, when he called for it, talked about "offensive efficiency".

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"Now there would be fewer missed layups because the players are actually at the rim [when they shoot]. Shooting percentages go up. There would be more tip-ins.

"What makes fans not want to watch women's basketball is that some of the players can't shoot and they miss layups and that forces the game to slow down," he said.


Although his 7.2 inches does not take into account the longer arms taller players have and the significantly higher jumping ability of men. The lowering would need to be much more than 7.2 inches to get the players as close to the basket as men when taking a layup.

Auriemma made an Adam Silverish comment ("It's not where we thought it would be") when calling for the change.

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"The game hasn't grown as much as it should in the last 10 years and much of the old guard doesn't want to hear it," Auriemma said Monday after taping "Beyond The Beat," which airs Tuesday on CPTV Sports. "In 2002, we played the Final Four in front of 30,000 at the Alamodome in San Antonio. "Now, 10 years later [2011], we [the women's Final Four] can't sell out the Conseco Field House [in Indianapolis]? So how much has the game possibly improved, in terms of how badly people want to see it?"


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PostPosted: 03/20/16 6:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This article is about the tennis world, not basketball. But to me it says a lot about resistance to women's basketball and the WNBA, thanks to the open misogyny of an important tennis executive. Note also the great response from Serena Williams:

http://www.foxsports.com/tennis/story/raymond-moore-indian-wells-comments-mens-womens-tennis-get-on-knees-thank-federer-032016?cmpid=tsmfb:fscom:foxsports



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The heart of resistance to women's basketball in the U.S. isn't the fact that many NBA players can dunk while few WNBA players can. It's sexism, misogyny, racism, and homophobia, often intertwined. I'm with all those who've made many valuable points above about why this "solution" is completely bogus.


There is also the issue that the women aren't as good as the men. People don't watch minor league baseball that much and for only one reason - they aren't as good as major league baseball. So the talent disparity could be the biggest part of why the WNBA is not that popular relative to the NBA.


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The heart of resistance to women's basketball in the U.S. isn't the fact that many NBA players can dunk while few WNBA players can. It's sexism, misogyny, racism, and homophobia, often intertwined. I'm with all those who've made many valuable points above about why this "solution" is completely bogus.


There is also the issue that the women aren't as good as the men. People don't watch minor league baseball that much and for only one reason - they aren't as good as major league baseball. So the talent disparity could be the biggest part of why the WNBA is not that popular relative to the NBA.


How ironic to be arguing that on a basketball website right in the height of March Madness. A hell of a lot of people (mostly men, but surely a good number of women) watch men's college basketball even though the players aren't as good as NBA players. Sorry, but to me--even though NBA players are surely better than WNBA players--this is a bogus explanation for the problems that women's sports face in a misogynist culture.



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tfan wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
The heart of resistance to women's basketball in the U.S. isn't the fact that many NBA players can dunk while few WNBA players can. It's sexism, misogyny, racism, and homophobia, often intertwined. I'm with all those who've made many valuable points above about why this "solution" is completely bogus.


There is also the issue that the women aren't as good as the men. People don't watch minor league baseball that much and for only one reason - they aren't as good as major league baseball. So the talent disparity could be the biggest part of why the WNBA is not that popular relative to the NBA.


How ironic to be arguing that on a basketball website right in the height of March Madness. A hell of a lot of people (mostly men, but surely a good number of women) watch men's college basketball even though the players aren't as good as NBA players. Sorry, but to me--even though NBA players are surely better than WNBA players--this is a bogus explanation for the problems that women's sports face in a misogynist culture.


Men's college football and basketball draw well. But it isn't a pro league with inferior players. It's a college-affiliated student athlete competition. The college affiliation fires people up. Which is why the Women's NCAA Final in 2015 drew 3.1 million viewers and the Lynx/Fever final telecasts that year were under 600,000 viewers. The players in men's March Madness - a one and done national college-affiliated tournament, are also better than WNBA players.

Yes there is resistance to watching women play sports. Watching lesbian women, watching black women, watching lesbian black women play sports. But I don't think it should be stated like those are the only reasons. It just leads to extra bitterness if it isn't also added that the women aren't as good as the men.

With regard to homophobia, since so few of the WNBA players are out and even for those that are, they don't announce it at the arena or on the broadcast - I don't see how the fans would know the players are lesbians. But there would be a resistance to watching women who act in a more butch manner, regardless of sexual persuasion.




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PostPosted: 03/20/16 7:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
tfan wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
The heart of resistance to women's basketball in the U.S. isn't the fact that many NBA players can dunk while few WNBA players can. It's sexism, misogyny, racism, and homophobia, often intertwined. I'm with all those who've made many valuable points above about why this "solution" is completely bogus.


There is also the issue that the women aren't as good as the men. People don't watch minor league baseball that much and for only one reason - they aren't as good as major league baseball. So the talent disparity could be the biggest part of why the WNBA is not that popular relative to the NBA.


How ironic to be arguing that on a basketball website right in the height of March Madness. A hell of a lot of people (mostly men, but surely a good number of women) watch men's college basketball even though the players aren't as good as NBA players. Sorry, but to me--even though NBA players are surely better than WNBA players--this is a bogus explanation for the problems that women's sports face in a misogynist culture.


Men's college football and basketball draw well. But it isn't a pro league with inferior players. It's a college-affiliated student athlete competition. The college affiliation fires people up. The players in March Madness - a one and done national college-affiliated tournament, are also better than WNBA players.

Yes there is resistance to watching women, watching lesbian women, watching black women, watching lesbian black women play sports. But I don't think it should be stated like those are the only reasons. It just leads to extra bitterness if it isn't also added that the women aren't as good as the men.

With regard to homophobia, since so few of the WNBA players are out and even for those that are, they don't announce it at the arena or on the broadcast - I don't see how the fans would know the players are lesbians. But there would be a resistance to watching women who act in a more butch manner, regardless of sexual persuasion.


I never said that sexism, misogyny, racism, and homophobia are the ONLY reasons why there is resistance to the WNBA or women's sports.

As for homophobia, the issue isn't how many players in the WNBA are lesbians or how many are out lesbians. The issue that that lots of homophobic fans (especially men) view all female athletes as lesbians. It doesn't matter what the homophobes "know." What matters is their ignorance and bigotry.



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PostPosted: 03/22/16 11:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mo Currie weighs in

http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/03/womens-basketball-lower-rim/

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So if you were watching a WNBA game and Angel McCoughtry came down the middle of the lane and slam dunks I think you would jump out of your seat in excitement rather than sit back and frown and say, “well the rim isn’t at ten feet.”



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pilight wrote:
Mo Currie weighs in

http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2016/03/womens-basketball-lower-rim/

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So if you were watching a WNBA game and Angel McCoughtry came down the middle of the lane and slam dunks I think you would jump out of your seat in excitement rather than sit back and frown and say, “well the rim isn’t at ten feet.”


I jump at my seet when she finally hits a jumper too though Laughing
Its not about the people that are already watching. Would people that dont watch the WNBA and hear that Angel just dunked, would watch the wnba because of that dunk? Or go to see a game because of that dunk.
Are more people coming to see the Mercury because Griner can dunk?



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If Angel just went over the edge of rim -- a dunk you see all the time in men's NCAA and the NBA -- I don't think anyone would do anything. But if she came down the lane and windmilled one home, then yes, I'd get excited.

But we'll need a rim lower than 9 feet for anything like that to happen.



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I think there's plenty of aspects of women's pro basketball that make it a better watch...for me...than the men's side. The focus in these discussions is so much on what they can't do that the tendency is to forget what they can do or what made us fans in the first place. No, they don't jump as high and no, they don't have the upper body strength of men. But to me, that makes the degree of difficulty of the shots that they do make very high. As a person who has limited upper body strength myself, I know how hard it is to make baskets when you have limited upper body strength and limited jumping ability. So I have an appreciation for the shots they do make because those shots generally are not as easy to make as they would be for the 6'5" male with a 35" vertical leap. I don't think it makes the men better players than the women per se. I just look at it as the men have athletic differences in their game.

People who feel that it makes the men so much better that they won't watch the women's game aren't going to watch because we lower the rims. If anything, that will increase the disdain.



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PostPosted: 03/30/16 9:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://espn.go.com/espnw/voices/article/15090920/fagan-why-lower-rims-women-basketball-flawed

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Phoenix star guard Diana Taurasi didn't mince words when asked her opinion on lowering the rims. The Olympic gold medalist, currently playing in Russia, said the following: "Might as well put us in skirts and back in the kitchen."



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I never thought I'd be cheering for Taurasi. Laughing



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Taurasi has such a way with words. Even as a Lynx fan, I can't but help love her. Laughing

Beyond that comment, the entire article is spot on. We know exactly how people would respond to the new rims. We have seen it before with the smaller ball.

The woman's game needs to continue to grow in a way that is germane only to itself. Trying to clone the men's game is not the fix. Even the men's game didn't become what it is today over night. Maybe it will take 30 more years, but if they keep plugging away and allow society to catch up, it will succeed.



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pilight wrote:
http://espn.go.com/espnw/voices/article/15090920/fagan-why-lower-rims-women-basketball-flawed

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Phoenix star guard Diana Taurasi didn't mince words when asked her opinion on lowering the rims. The Olympic gold medalist, currently playing in Russia, said the following: "Might as well put us in skirts and back in the kitchen."


Tell them Dee Laughing Nice to see that she doesnt agree with Geno on this one.



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PostPosted: 03/30/16 1:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
pilight wrote:
http://espn.go.com/espnw/voices/article/15090920/fagan-why-lower-rims-women-basketball-flawed

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Phoenix star guard Diana Taurasi didn't mince words when asked her opinion on lowering the rims. The Olympic gold medalist, currently playing in Russia, said the following: "Might as well put us in skirts and back in the kitchen."


Tell them Dee Laughing Nice to see that she doesnt agree with Geno on this one.


Lets not forget that Elena said it also. Personally, I wish she had not, but she did. This issue needs to be debated and let ALL THE ISSUES laid out on the table. I would not of stated my reasons for being against lowering the rim the way Diana did but she hit on the same reasons I am against this decision.


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Im not saying the W should lower the rims, but it wouldn't hurt to test it out during a preseason game.



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Elena Delle Donne slams Diana Taurasi over quip about sending women back to the kitchen
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/elena-delle-donne-diana-taurasi-lowering-hoops

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“I respect Diana so much, I think what she’s done for our game is phenomenal,” she said. “But I definitely disagree with what she said. The biggest issue I have with what she said is how degrading that is to women athletes in general because when you look at sports — men’s and women’s sports — volleyball, the nets are lower; golf, women’s tees are closer. And if you want to talk about Serena Williams, she plays less sets than the men so are you going to tell her to put a skirt on and go back to the kitchen?”


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Elena Delle Donne slams Diana Taurasi over quip about sending women back to the kitchen
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/elena-delle-donne-diana-taurasi-lowering-hoops

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“I respect Diana so much, I think what she’s done for our game is phenomenal,” she said. “But I definitely disagree with what she said. The biggest issue I have with what she said is how degrading that is to women athletes in general because when you look at sports — men’s and women’s sports — volleyball, the nets are lower; golf, women’s tees are closer. And if you want to talk about Serena Williams, she plays less sets than the men so are you going to tell her to put a skirt on and go back to the kitchen?”


Sorry Elena. I am with Diana on this one.



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Genero36 wrote:
miller40 wrote:
Elena Delle Donne slams Diana Taurasi over quip about sending women back to the kitchen
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/elena-delle-donne-diana-taurasi-lowering-hoops

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“I respect Diana so much, I think what she’s done for our game is phenomenal,” she said. “But I definitely disagree with what she said. The biggest issue I have with what she said is how degrading that is to women athletes in general because when you look at sports — men’s and women’s sports — volleyball, the nets are lower; golf, women’s tees are closer. And if you want to talk about Serena Williams, she plays less sets than the men so are you going to tell her to put a skirt on and go back to the kitchen?”


Sorry Elena. I am with Diana on this one.


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miller40 wrote:
Elena Delle Donne slams Diana Taurasi over quip about sending women back to the kitchen
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/elena-delle-donne-diana-taurasi-lowering-hoops

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“I respect Diana so much, I think what she’s done for our game is phenomenal,” she said. “But I definitely disagree with what she said. The biggest issue I have with what she said is how degrading that is to women athletes in general because when you look at sports — men’s and women’s sports — volleyball, the nets are lower; golf, women’s tees are closer. And if you want to talk about Serena Williams, she plays less sets than the men so are you going to tell her to put a skirt on and go back to the kitchen?”


Sorry Elena but...historically those limitations were placed on women because it was ASSUMED they couldn't do it. You may argue that overall women's athleticism is not on the level of men's. My counter argument is that because women as a gender have been held back athletically for so long its going to take awhile longer to reach their full physical potential. As more women push the boundaries of athletic performance, the better they'll become overall. Women are pushing the envelope all over. Not enough yet to consider it a norm but it's coming. Mark my words.
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I feel like Elena may need to invest in a sarcasm detector, or at least the ability to not take everything dead seriously.

Bless DT for shooting straight from the hip.



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miller40 wrote:
Elena Delle Donne slams Diana Taurasi over quip about sending women back to the kitchen
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/elena-delle-donne-diana-taurasi-lowering-hoops

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“I respect Diana so much, I think what she’s done for our game is phenomenal,” she said. “But I definitely disagree with what she said. The biggest issue I have with what she said is how degrading that is to women athletes in general because when you look at sports — men’s and women’s sports — volleyball, the nets are lower; golf, women’s tees are closer. And if you want to talk about Serena Williams, she plays less sets than the men so are you going to tell her to put a skirt on and go back to the kitchen?”


Sorry Elena but...historically those limitations were placed on women because it was ASSUMED they couldn't do it. You may argue that overall women's athleticism is not on the level of men's. My counter argument is that because women as a gender have been held back athletically for so long its going to take awhile longer to reach their full physical potential. As more women push the boundaries of athletic performance, the better they'll become overall. Women are pushing the envelope all over. Not enough yet to consider it a norm but it's coming. Mark my words.

That is it exactly. Using these other sports as justification is a false equivalency. Each has their own reasons for doing what they do, and sexism plays a role in those also.

Volleyball is a bad example since it is essential that the nets be low enough for women to spike and block since that is essential to the game (as in the game would not work without it). Dunking is not that in basketball. Golf? That is twofold. One is that it is sexism-turned-tradition and the second is based on how par is determined for a course. And in tennis is there really a reason that women should play shorter matches than men? I have a feeling that if women had always played 5 sets and then suddenly there was talk about shortening their game to 3, people like Serena Williams would be calling foul. She might actually say something similar to what Dee just said.



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I don't really take a side in this. I get what Elena is saying and I think she is just offended that Diana would take her words that way even in a sarcastic way. As for Kate Fagen, she is known for stirring controversy with her interviews and articles. i.e. Sheryl Swoopes. I don't like her and I don't think she actually cares about the WNBA, only when she gets hits and can use it as clickbait.


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"The game hasn't grown as much as it should in the last 10 years and much of the old guard doesn't want to hear it," Auriemma said Monday after taping "Beyond The Beat," which airs Tuesday on CPTV Sports. "In 2002, we played the Final Four in front of 30,000 at the Alamodome in San Antonio. "Now, 10 years later [2011], we [the women's Final Four] can't sell out the Conseco Field House [in Indianapolis]? So how much has the game possibly improved, in terms of how badly people want to see it?"



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I don't really take a side in this. I get what Elena is saying and I think she is just offended that Diana would take her words that way even in a sarcastic way. As for Kate Fagen, she is known for stirring controversy with her interviews and articles. i.e. Sheryl Swoopes. I don't like her and I don't think she actually cares about the WNBA, only when she gets hits and can use it as clickbait.

While Fagan has definitely had some questionable articles in the past this is not one of them. This was a well thought out and reasoned piece. I don't see any controversy being stirred here. This is just Dee being her awesomely snarky self. Plus it was a perfectly pithy sentiment.



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If Kate Fagan gets people talking about WBB, great. We can use her just as much as she uses us.



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If Kate Fagan gets people talking about WBB, great. We can use her just as much as she uses us.


I flicked on the sports radio station here in Seattle this afternoon and they were talking about it.



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If Kate Fagan gets people talking about WBB, great. We can use her just as much as she uses us.


I flicked on the sports radio station here in Seattle this afternoon and they were talking about it.


They talked about it on His & Hers today also

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15104531&ex_cid=espntw



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EDD on SportsCenter

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EDD on SportsCenter

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15107092&ex_cid=espntw


As I have said, EDD has people talking about Lowering the Basket, now lets get all the issues and arguments on the table and talk about it. Everyone has the same interest and that is "what can we do speed up the game and make it better".


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My guess about tennis: instead of women's singles extending from best-of-three set matches to best-of-five, men's tennis will move in the opposite direction and go to best-of-three. Are tennis fans all that entranced with men's singles' matches that last five hours?

I'm with Diana Taurasi and others here who oppose lowering the rims for WNBA games.



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My guess about tennis: instead of women's singles extending from best-of-three set matches to best-of-five, men's tennis will move in the opposite direction and go to best-of-three. Are tennis fans all that entranced with men's singles' matches that last five hours?


There's no way they could schedule women's matches that last five sets and keep the majors at two weeks. They can barely do it with three sets if there's rain.



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pilight wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
My guess about tennis: instead of women's singles extending from best-of-three set matches to best-of-five, men's tennis will move in the opposite direction and go to best-of-three. Are tennis fans all that entranced with men's singles' matches that last five hours?


There's no way they could schedule women's matches that last five sets and keep the majors at two weeks. They can barely do it with three sets if there's rain.


Yep. WTA players have made the argument for five sets in the Slams (the men play best of three in most tournaments outside the Slams, although there are a few exceptions with major non-GS tournaments), and they were denied because of this scheduling issue. This topic came up again most recently during the fall out from Indian Wells.

I just watched EDD's SportsCenter spot and I'm not quite sure she understood Taurasi's statement/position.


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I think miller40 was addressing what would happen if women had different rim heights at different levels/leagues. Players would struggle to adapt and the FG% on jump shots would decrease noticeably.


The difference goes down as you get further from the basket.

Directly under the basket, a 6' player with a 12" vertical would be 3' from a 10' rim and 2' from a 9' rim.

From the three point line, the same player would be 22'4" from a 10' basket and 22'3" from a 9' basket.



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Elena continues to use the women's golf tees as an example, but where is it, or has it ever been written that women actually have to use the women's tees?



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I've always thought one of the cool and unique things about basketball is there are rims and courts everywhere: in driveways, parks, rec centers and so forth in every corner of the country... so you can live in the inner city projects or Podunk, North Dakota and all you need is a ball and a pair of shoes to work on your game.

Having a 9' rim would somewhat restrict access to the more affluent, unless people were willing to shell out money to install girls' rims everywhere... I see that as the biggest problem.



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I've always thought one of the cool and unique things about basketball is there are rims and courts everywhere: in driveways, parks, rec centers and so forth in every corner of the country... so you can live in the inner city projects or Podunk, North Dakota and all you need is a ball and a pair of shoes to work on your game.

Having a 9' rim would somewhat restrict access to the more affluent, unless people were willing to shell out money to install girls' rims everywhere... I see that as the biggest problem.


According to this article, she is only talking about the WNBA.

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Elena Delle Donne continued to make her case for the lowering the height of the rim in the WNBA, tweeting Thursday that it's "about the future of the game."

WNBA rims are placed 10 feet above the court, the same as in the NBA, and Delle Donne contends that at closer range to the basket, female players can display more of their athleticism and attract more fans.


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tfan wrote:


I'm going to say apples and oranges on this one. 3 point lines have never been universal, and regulation rim height has been.
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tfan wrote:
FS02 wrote:
I've always thought one of the cool and unique things about basketball is there are rims and courts everywhere: in driveways, parks, rec centers and so forth in every corner of the country... so you can live in the inner city projects or Podunk, North Dakota and all you need is a ball and a pair of shoes to work on your game.

Having a 9' rim would somewhat restrict access to the more affluent, unless people were willing to shell out money to install girls' rims everywhere... I see that as the biggest problem.


According to this article, she is only talking about the WNBA.

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Elena Delle Donne continued to make her case for the lowering the height of the rim in the WNBA, tweeting Thursday that it's "about the future of the game."

WNBA rims are placed 10 feet above the court, the same as in the NBA, and Delle Donne contends that at closer range to the basket, female players can display more of their athleticism and attract more fans.


So after years of shooting at a 10-foot rim, players are suddenly supposed to adjust to a lower rim when they go pro? And then re-adjust when they go overseas- oh, I forgot, EDD doesn't go overseas, so maybe she forgot that most of the league can't make offseason bank off endorsements. And this is going to make the game look better?

There are hills it is worth dying on and battles worth fighting. This is really not one of them. STOP SAYING WORDS, ELENA.



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So after years of shooting at a 10-foot rim, players are suddenly supposed to adjust to a lower rim when they go pro? And then re-adjust when they go overseas- oh, I forgot, EDD doesn't go overseas, so maybe she forgot that most of the league can't make offseason bank off endorsements. And this is going to make the game look better?

There are hills it is worth dying on and battles worth fighting. This is really not one of them. STOP SAYING WORDS, ELENA.

Might make the Olympics more interesting if the Americans had barely two weeks to adjust back to 10ft from 9ft before the competition most of them rank as the biggest prize in the world. Smile



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Yes it was. Elena must not have been paying attention back in 1997.



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Tally24 wrote:
tfan wrote:


I'm going to say apples and oranges on this one. 3 point lines have never been universal, and regulation rim height has been.


Elena did not communicate this issue very well. What she was trying to say, there is a link between the height of the basket and the three point line. Keeping the basket at 10 feet and moving the 3 point line in 4 feet increased the number of 3 point shots attempted, increased the number of people shooting the 3 point shot and and increased the number of 3 point shots made. This had a positive impact on Women's Basketball. Everyone loves to see a player attempt a 3 point shots and make that shot. Especially when the game is on the line.

All of this has a positive impact on Women's Basketball. You cannot move the height of the rim without talking about the 3 point line.


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pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:


Yes it was. Elena must not have been paying attention back in 1997.

In fairness, she was seven.



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Make it stop.

Glad folks are discussing the WNBA, yet the "lower the rim" nonsense has been played out before.

My suspicion is that EDD misinterpreted DT's sarcasm.

Please talk about how Steph Curry has grabbed the nation's attention with skills excluding the dunk.

Please talk about teamwork, free throw and three point shooting percentages (women versus men), etcetera.



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Candace Parker weighs in

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDqpG32u3ys/

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WNBA 09 wrote:
tfan wrote:
In 2005 WNBA ESPN ratings were 282,000 viewers. In 2015 they were 202,000. In 2005 WNBA attendance averaged 8,172. In 2015 WNBA attendance was the lowest in it's history - 7,318. It's not just about getting new fans, they ought to try lowering the rim to see if they can get back the fans they lost.

You don't need movable rims all over the place if you just make it a WNBA thing.


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Maybe if the w would reinstitute the league pass viewership would be at a higher level. Everyone doesn't have all the stations the games are shown on. I love the game but sometimes don't want to sit in front of a computer to watch.


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pilight wrote:
Candace Parker weighs in

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDqpG32u3ys/

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