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PostPosted: 04/12/16 7:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Diana Taurasi to discuss her WNBA return from Russia, UConn's dominance (6:00), the stupidity of lowering the rims (13:00)

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/ep-85-diana-taurasi


I see this everywhere on my timelines. Ones that struck the most are Griner's, Latta's and Augustus's reaction. There may be pros or cons of lowering the rim but it's not stupid. People who think it 's stupid gets on my nerves. EDD is actually being honest about it. She may not be right but at least we get insider's thought about this, particularly from the players.

My wife is so impressed how vocal WNBA players can be, considering most players like to lay low. We get that most players are against it. But all this lowering discussion is not stupid, it's good for the league actually. It helps open up more discussions, like viewership, marketing, salary etc


Let me get on your nerves. I think it's beyond stupid. Very stupid. I like Taurasi's response "might as well put us in skirts and back in the kitchen" I have yet to see a GOOD reason to lower the rims. Not ONE.


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What evidence do you have that lowering the rim will make a difference in attendance?


I have the same evidence that people against lowering the rim have that it will not make a difference in attendance. As has been said, it is very easy to do trials during pre-season to see what effect it has.

If you were to make a list of teams that regularly fill 3/4 of the seats in their lower bowl - what teams would you put on that list?


You think a preseason trial will tell you something about the effect on regular season or postseason attendance?



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It's absolutely true that it would be easy to test out this idea in some preseason games to see what effect it would have on WNBA attendance. Just as the league could test out 20 other terrible ideas to see what effect they'd have on attendance.



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pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:
myrtle wrote:
Michael V Pearson wrote:
miller40 wrote:
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HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Diana Taurasi to discuss her WNBA return from Russia, UConn's dominance (6:00), the stupidity of lowering the rims (13:00)

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/ep-85-diana-taurasi


I see this everywhere on my timelines. Ones that struck the most are Griner's, Latta's and Augustus's reaction. There may be pros or cons of lowering the rim but it's not stupid. People who think it 's stupid gets on my nerves. EDD is actually being honest about it. She may not be right but at least we get insider's thought about this, particularly from the players.

My wife is so impressed how vocal WNBA players can be, considering most players like to lay low. We get that most players are against it. But all this lowering discussion is not stupid, it's good for the league actually. It helps open up more discussions, like viewership, marketing, salary etc


Let me get on your nerves. I think it's beyond stupid. Very stupid. I like Taurasi's response "might as well put us in skirts and back in the kitchen" I have yet to see a GOOD reason to lower the rims. Not ONE.


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OFFICIALS #39 Michael Price, #34 Maj Forsberg, #35 Billy Smith


What evidence do you have that lowering the rim will make a difference in attendance?


I have the same evidence that people against lowering the rim have that it will not make a difference in attendance. As has been said, it is very easy to do trials during pre-season to see what effect it has.

If you were to make a list of teams that regularly fill 3/4 of the seats in their lower bowl - what teams would you put on that list?


You think a preseason trial will tell you something about the effect on regular season or postseason attendance?


It will give the league a chance to see the effect it has on the game and to talk to fans during and after the game to see their reaction. Some teams (Washington/LA/Connecticut, and probably others) have not retained fans, so increasing is not the only issue.




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It's absolutely true that it would be easy to test out this idea in some preseason games to see what effect it would have on WNBA attendance. Just as the league could test out 20 other terrible ideas to see what effect they'd have on attendance.


If it turned out to be a "terrible" idea that in the 2016 pre-season the league lowered the rims to 9 feet, it would be forgotten by the 2016 mid-season break.

The women aren't as tall as, and don't jump as high as men. Lowering the rims won't make people, including detractors of the WNBA, suddenly realize that.

But a question for you as you have commented on actual attendance (as opposed to announced attendance) in the past - what teams would be on your list of the WNBA teams that regularly fill 2/3 of the seats in their lower bowl?


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It's absolutely true that it would be easy to test out this idea in some preseason games to see what effect it would have on WNBA attendance. Just as the league could test out 20 other terrible ideas to see what effect they'd have on attendance.


I see preseason games as a way to test new players in real game situations to see if they should make the team.... not as a test for a gimmick.

Throw $10,000 at one of the minor leagues for them to test it out for a whole season.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
It's absolutely true that it would be easy to test out this idea in some preseason games to see what effect it would have on WNBA attendance. Just as the league could test out 20 other terrible ideas to see what effect they'd have on attendance.


I see preseason games as a way to test new players in real game situations to see if they should make the team.... not as a test for a gimmick.

Throw $10,000 at one of the minor leagues for them to test it out for a whole season.


Minor leagues?


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Say this experiment is a big success. Are you going to lower the rims only in WNBA games and leave it at 10 ft at every other level? That doesn't seem like a great idea, so then how are you going to get every college, high school, junior high, elementary school, and parks & recreation department in the country to purchase and install lower rims? There are over 130,000 schools in the US.

Perhaps there should be some discussion of the practicalities of implementing this before there is some headlong charge to try it out in games?

As I said, I don't feel strongly either way about the concept. I do consider it impractical and unrealistic to implement


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Say this experiment is a big success. Are you going to lower the rims only in WNBA games and leave it at 10 ft at every other level? That doesn't seem like a great idea, so then how are you going to get every college, high school, junior high, elementary school, and parks & recreation department in the country to purchase and install lower rims? There are over 130,000 schools in the US.

Perhaps there should be some discussion of the practicalities of implementing this before there is some headlong charge to try it out in games?

As I said, I don't feel strongly either way about the concept. I do consider it impractical and unrealistic to implement


Not to mention that all of those places would have to have either two sets of baskets or adjustable stanchions. Hell, there are D-I schools that don't have adjustable stanchions.



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Shades wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
It's absolutely true that it would be easy to test out this idea in some preseason games to see what effect it would have on WNBA attendance. Just as the league could test out 20 other terrible ideas to see what effect they'd have on attendance.


I see preseason games as a way to test new players in real game situations to see if they should make the team.... not as a test for a gimmick.

Throw $10,000 at one of the minor leagues for them to test it out for a whole season.


Just amazing to me that this discussion of a "gimmick" (well said) goes on and on. tfan can add 1000 more posts on this subject and it will still be a waste of time and energy. I'm done.



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Say this experiment is a big success. Are you going to lower the rims only in WNBA games and leave it at 10 ft at every other level?


Yes.


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Say this experiment is a big success. Are you going to lower the rims only in WNBA games and leave it at 10 ft at every other level?


Yes.


Seriously?

I don't consider lowering the rims for all of women's basketball to be a "gimmick." Probably cost prohibitive, but a legitimate idea. Doing it only for the WNBA? Now THAT would reduce it to pure gimmickry. That strikes me as a horrible idea that would remove any legitimacy from the change.

So what you'd be saying is that 10 ft rims are perfectly fine for the entire universe of women's basketball - college, high school, international - except for a grand total of twelve teams. I can't see any argument for that being a good idea. Seems to me that either it becomes the standard for women's basketball, or it doesn't.


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In looking at the definition of gimmick, I don't see it as always pejorative.

Google gives:
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a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.


9 foot rims wouldn't be a trick. Merriam Webster includes:
Quote:
an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle


Adam Silver himself is looking for a "gimmick". But he doesn't call it that, he calls it a "silver bullet":

Quote:
“We thought we would have broken through by now,” Silver said. “We thought ratings and attendance would be higher.”

“I think we might have been ahead of ourselves 20 years ago in terms of what we were doing,” the NBA chief insisted. He then went on to note that they are struggling to find that “silver bulletthat will put them where they want to be with fans.


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tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:
myrtle wrote:
Michael V Pearson wrote:
miller40 wrote:
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HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Diana Taurasi to discuss her WNBA return from Russia, UConn's dominance (6:00), the stupidity of lowering the rims (13:00)

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/ep-85-diana-taurasi


I see this everywhere on my timelines. Ones that struck the most are Griner's, Latta's and Augustus's reaction. There may be pros or cons of lowering the rim but it's not stupid. People who think it 's stupid gets on my nerves. EDD is actually being honest about it. She may not be right but at least we get insider's thought about this, particularly from the players.

My wife is so impressed how vocal WNBA players can be, considering most players like to lay low. We get that most players are against it. But all this lowering discussion is not stupid, it's good for the league actually. It helps open up more discussions, like viewership, marketing, salary etc


Let me get on your nerves. I think it's beyond stupid. Very stupid. I like Taurasi's response "might as well put us in skirts and back in the kitchen" I have yet to see a GOOD reason to lower the rims. Not ONE.


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Arena Stats: ARENA Long Beach State, The Pyramid

ATTENDANCE 3112 DURATION 2:01

OFFICIALS #39 Michael Price, #34 Maj Forsberg, #35 Billy Smith


What evidence do you have that lowering the rim will make a difference in attendance?


I have the same evidence that people against lowering the rim have that it will not make a difference in attendance. As has been said, it is very easy to do trials during pre-season to see what effect it has.

If you were to make a list of teams that regularly fill 3/4 of the seats in their lower bowl - what teams would you put on that list?


You think a preseason trial will tell you something about the effect on regular season or postseason attendance?


It will give the league a chance to see the effect it has on the game and to talk to fans during and after the game to see their reaction. Some teams (Washington/LA/Connecticut, and probably others) have not retained fans, so increasing is not the only issue.


This isn't something you can just throw at players like what the Lynx tried with one of their preseason games last season against a team I can't remember off hand, teams need to actually practice on a 9 foot rim to be able to play with any kind of effectiveness and they don't look like some rec team. Say this preseason game gets 10,000 people to attend, how are you going to know how many of those people are going to actually support the league or a team. And then you have the issue of how much would people supporting a league with 9 foot rims depend on the product on the floor, if the 1 game is sloppy because players aren't used to playing on 9 foot rims, that would probably turn a lot of people off more than the 9 foot rims in and of itself. There are a lot of variables that aren't controlled to just throw in 9 foot rims for 1 preseason game or even for the entire preseason to get an accurate or reasonable accurate answer as to how much it will affect attendance, interest and longevity of playing with 9 foot rims.



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This isn't something you can just throw at players like what the Lynx tried with one of their preseason games last season against a team I can't remember off hand, teams need to actually practice on a 9 foot rim to be able to play with any kind of effectiveness and they don't look like some rec team. Say this preseason game gets 10,000 people to attend, how are you going to know how many of those people are going to actually support the league or a team. And then you have the issue of how much would people supporting a league with 9 foot rims depend on the product on the floor, if the 1 game is sloppy because players aren't used to playing on 9 foot rims, that would probably turn a lot of people off more than the 9 foot rims in and of itself. There are a lot of variables that aren't controlled to just throw in 9 foot rims for 1 preseason game or even for the entire preseason to get an accurate or reasonable accurate answer as to how much it will affect attendance, interest and longevity of playing with 9 foot rims.


Yeah, it would have to be the whole pre-season to get a good test of how the game would look. And that would negatively impact shooting on 10 foot rims in the early part of the regular season. Although it could be done as as "if pre-season goes OK, we experiment for the rest of the season".


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tfan wrote:
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This isn't something you can just throw at players like what the Lynx tried with one of their preseason games last season against a team I can't remember off hand, teams need to actually practice on a 9 foot rim to be able to play with any kind of effectiveness and they don't look like some rec team. Say this preseason game gets 10,000 people to attend, how are you going to know how many of those people are going to actually support the league or a team. And then you have the issue of how much would people supporting a league with 9 foot rims depend on the product on the floor, if the 1 game is sloppy because players aren't used to playing on 9 foot rims, that would probably turn a lot of people off more than the 9 foot rims in and of itself. There are a lot of variables that aren't controlled to just throw in 9 foot rims for 1 preseason game or even for the entire preseason to get an accurate or reasonable accurate answer as to how much it will affect attendance, interest and longevity of playing with 9 foot rims.


Yeah, it would have to be the whole pre-season to get a good test of how the game would look. And that would negatively impact shooting on 10 foot rims in the early part of the regular season. Although it could be done as as "if pre-season goes OK, we experiment for the rest of the season".


There are other issues that go into that as well, like players who go straight from overseas to the WNBA, I believe a few years ago Kristi Toliver played in the 1st regular season game of the season coming straight from the airport after getting back from Russia, and she obviously isn't the only one is that situation, and then if the WNBA were to do this, it restricts where teams can practice. In years past the Sparks practiced at LA Southwest College and those rims are connected to the building so they aren't movable.



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and then if the WNBA were to do this, it restricts where teams can practice. In years past the Sparks practiced at LA Southwest College and those rims are connected to the building so they aren't movable.


It could even be that the standard portable setup used in NBA arenas to hold the backboard and the rim, or the baskets that are attached to the ceiling in gyms and can be swung up and down, also cannot currently be adjusted to 9 foot rims.


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My goodness.

Women's basketball will always be a niche sport. That's the simple, "end-of-story" reality.

The miss a bunny/get the rebound/miss a another bunny/ get the rebound AND 1 is the quintessential play of women's basketball. But it's getting better.

Deal with it. Smile



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it is an interesting debate - recently attended a luncheon with an ex international athlete discussing this along with 3 point lines
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tfan wrote:
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and then if the WNBA were to do this, it restricts where teams can practice. In years past the Sparks practiced at LA Southwest College and those rims are connected to the building so they aren't movable.


It could even be that the standard portable setup used in NBA arenas to hold the backboard and the rim, or the baskets that are attached to the ceiling in gyms and can be swung up and down, also cannot currently be adjusted to 9 foot rims.


If they are made by the same company that makes the ones for college they are adjustable, I believe the ones in Staples Center are adjustable, unless that have been changed from the ones they had in 2008.



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“The biggest examples (of sexism I encounter) I would say would be like, number one, when they talk about us basketball players they’ll always say ‘female basketball player’ like ‘Elena Delle Donne, female basketball player’, like ‘okay, you don’t need to say that, I’m a basketball player’. They don’t say ‘Kevin Durant, male basketball player’. So that’s something that kind of bugs me a little,” she says.


She doesn't want to be considered a female basketball player. She just wants to be considered a basketball player. And yet she wants lower rims for who, female basketball players? That's something that kind of bugs me a little.



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Shades wrote:
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“The biggest examples (of sexism I encounter) I would say would be like, number one, when they talk about us basketball players they’ll always say ‘female basketball player’ like ‘Elena Delle Donne, female basketball player’, like ‘okay, you don’t need to say that, I’m a basketball player’. They don’t say ‘Kevin Durant, male basketball player’. So that’s something that kind of bugs me a little,” she says.


She doesn't want to be considered a female basketball player. She just wants to be considered a basketball player. And yet she wants lower rims for who, female basketball players? That's something that kind of bugs me a little.


I consider it "basketball", just plain "basketball", regardless of the size of the ball or the distance of the arc, or the length of a quarter, or even the height of the basket. To me the significance being given to this one detail is vastly overblown.

As I said above, if you think think it's so critical to be exactly the same game, then make it exactly the same game in all respects. Use the same equipment, follow the same rules, as the NBA. Picking out one difference and saying "all the other differences don't matter but you can't change this one detail" seems pretty arbitrary to me.


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“The biggest examples (of sexism I encounter) I would say would be like, number one, when they talk about us basketball players they’ll always say ‘female basketball player’ like ‘Elena Delle Donne, female basketball player’, like ‘okay, you don’t need to say that, I’m a basketball player’. They don’t say ‘Kevin Durant, male basketball player’. So that’s something that kind of bugs me a little,” she says.


She doesn't want to be considered a female basketball player. She just wants to be considered a basketball player. And yet she wants lower rims for who, female basketball players? That's something that kind of bugs me a little.


I consider it "basketball", just plain "basketball", regardless of the size of the ball or the distance of the arc, or the length of a quarter, or even the height of the basket. To me the significance being given to this one detail is vastly overblown.

As I said above, if you think think it's so critical to be exactly the same game, then make it exactly the same game in all respects. Use the same equipment, follow the same rules, as the NBA. Picking out one difference and saying "all the other differences don't matter but you can't change this one detail" seems pretty arbitrary to me.


Or everyone could play by the international FIBA standards.


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Elena practicing a dunk last week;

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Sorry to revisit this thread , but imo this season has been a drag so far. No real exciting games down to the last minute or never before seen plays. Im still riding this "Lower the Rims" train. At least a 2 year experiment if this is such an "Entertainment League" Then i need to be entertained. This has been a referee show so far and its honestly boring to watch and that pains me to say being a 21 year Fan.



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Sorry to revisit this thread , but imo this season has been a drag so far. No real exciting games down to the last minute or never before seen plays. Im still riding this "Lower the Rims" train. At least a 2 year experiment if this is such an "Entertainment League" Then i need to be entertained. This has been a referee show so far and its honestly boring to watch and that pains me to say being a 21 year Fan.


said it before for it to work it has to be done worldwide at least at the pro level i'd say college too...otherwise if the W is the gimmick league and they have to adjust each time they come here I think there would be over time a drain on the talent level...this isn't moving the 3 pt line this is a fundamental change to the way the game is played.

as for this season...I agree...between EuroBasket and moving the season too early games have not been great...2 best games ive seen both had the winner pull away late (both NY SEA games with both teams exchanging results)

refs are using the review as a crutch...it happens in the NBA as well but it's really noticiable in the W with lower ref quality...hopefully the higher pay and tougher grading in the new ref CBA will kick in over time and improve ref quality because I agree too many things judged on us looking over the refs...need change.

As for the Entertainment league comment...I agree Borders was assisine saying that...players are playing harder (not always smarter) which means more D and tactical play, this is part of it but its not something you wanna mess with.

Lowering the rims can be investigated if it can be done as easily as volleyball across the board (IE everyone gets hydraulic stanchions or an even better way is invented) but it cant happen in the W in a vacuum too many overseas commitment...hell USAB may even object to having to play a ton of games at one height then have to come over and adjust to a new height...and losing the NT players every 4 years...DEATH.

Don't believe me? similar thing happened when ball size was unevenly enforced with the W and overseas balls being different sizes in the early 2ks, confusion reigned and quality suffered...if you cant do something this major on a consistent basis honestly it shouldn't even be discussed...

so unless its across fiba...no



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Lowering the rims isn't going to make the ref's jobs any easier nor make them do it any better



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Does anyone think that the WNBA is in need of a gimmick? I know attendance and tv ratings are not what the WNBA wants right now (especially after claiming such success after last season) but it is still early and school just let out in some of the northern states (I remember going to school in MN we always got out around this time because our schedule was built around the terrible weather) and the regular NBA season just ended. Nothing to do yet but wait for the final numbers to roll in. A big change like this is hard to implement and if it is implemented it is hard to go back on. Food for thought.


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Lowering the rims is an awful idea. What you would be doing is turning the game into an NBA type game, with shorter, slower less athletic players. Why not go the other way and put in a 15 ft. rim on top of the 10 ft. rim, and make those baskets worth double. Imagine the excitement of a team down 5 with 8 seconds to go. Imagine a player is fouled with her team down two and .3 seconds to go. She has two shots but bricks the first. Now she has to make the 15 ft. basket free throw to tie the game. And if you really want to get exciting how about you give credit for both baskets, so a 3 point shot that goes through both baskets is worth 9 points.

None of these gimmicks will do anything except make the game more of a joke than it is currently seen to be by many people who believe either that women shouldn't play sports, while highlighting that women are less athletic.


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PostPosted: 06/15/17 9:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Lowering the rims is an awful idea. What you would be doing is turning the game into an NBA type game, with shorter, slower less athletic players. Why not go the other way and put in a 15 ft. rim on top of the 10 ft. rim, and make those baskets worth double. Imagine the excitement of a team down 5 with 8 seconds to go. Imagine a player is fouled with her team down two and .3 seconds to go. She has two shots but bricks the first. Now she has to make the 15 ft. basket free throw to tie the game. And if you really want to get exciting how about you give credit for both baskets, so a 3 point shot that goes through both baskets is worth 9 points.

None of these gimmicks will do anything except make the game more of a joke than it is currently seen to be by many people who believe either that women shouldn't play sports, while highlighting that women are less athletic.


I don't understand your assumption that it would result in "shorter, slower less athletic players.". I expect just the opposite, that it would put a premium on athleticism and make it a faster game, which the NBA certainly is.

I don't favor lowering the rims, but I certainly don't agree with your assessment of the likely effect if they did.

And I also disagree it would "highlight that women are less athletic.". It would simply reflect that women are generally shorter, which they are. I don't see that as a problem. It's just a fact.

But I like the game the way it is. It's a different game; so be it.


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PostPosted: 06/15/17 9:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I can tell you that I am one fan that they will lose if they lower the rims. The reason I watch the Womens game is because of the over emphasis on dunking that has transpired in the mens game. All you have to do is see what effect elimination dunking did to the college game. It improved the skill level of the post players and frankly the level of the overall game for a time. The present day players are generally not as fundamentally sound as they were in the past. A lot of people that follow womens and girls basketball are basketball purists that are disgusted with the direction the game has taken. If you are obsessed with dunking then watch the guys play leave the womens game alone.


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PostPosted: 06/15/17 11:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
Lowering the rims is an awful idea. What you would be doing is turning the game into an NBA type game, with shorter, slower less athletic players. Why not go the other way and put in a 15 ft. rim on top of the 10 ft. rim, and make those baskets worth double. Imagine the excitement of a team down 5 with 8 seconds to go. Imagine a player is fouled with her team down two and .3 seconds to go. She has two shots but bricks the first. Now she has to make the 15 ft. basket free throw to tie the game. And if you really want to get exciting how about you give credit for both baskets, so a 3 point shot that goes through both baskets is worth 9 points.

None of these gimmicks will do anything except make the game more of a joke than it is currently seen to be by many people who believe either that women shouldn't play sports, while highlighting that women are less athletic.


I don't understand your assumption that it would result in "shorter, slower less athletic players.". I expect just the opposite, that it would put a premium on athleticism and make it a faster game, which the NBA certainly is.

I don't favor lowering the rims, but I certainly don't agree with your assessment of the likely effect if they did.

And I also disagree it would "highlight that women are less athletic.". It would simply reflect that women are generally shorter, which they are. I don't see that as a problem. It's just a fact.

But I like the game the way it is. It's a different game; so be it.


My point is not that the WNBA would get less athletic players. It is that the WNBA players are less athletic than NBA players and that lowering the rim would merely highlight that point.


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PostPosted: 06/15/17 11:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think the number of fouls and consequent whistles make the game tedious. I don't know that there are actually more fouls in the WNBA than the NBA, but coupled with the women's much lower skill level and rarity of exciting plays, the fouls make a stodgy game even stodgier.

To sharpen this dullness, I'd advocate lowering the number of fouls allowed from six to three rather than lowering the rims. This would literally open up offenses.
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PostPosted: 06/16/17 3:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
I think the number of fouls and consequent whistles make the game tedious. I don't know that there are actually more fouls in the WNBA than the NBA, but coupled with the women's much lower skill level and rarity of exciting plays, the fouls make a stodgy game even stodgier.

To sharpen this dullness, I'd advocate lowering the number of fouls allowed from six to three rather than lowering the rims. This would literally open up offenses.


You could speed up basketball at all levels by eliminating foul shots. If in a situation where foul shots would now be shot, award points for being fouled and play on. Would definitely make the bench more relevant.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There are more fouls called in WNBA games than in NBA games. Well, actually, there are about the same number of fouls called per game but NBA games are 20% longer so more fouls per minute in the W.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 8:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What about using the ASG as an experiment with the lower rims ? Im sorry guys just looking for something exciting. I actually liked the 15 ft basket on top of the 10 ft basket idea also . Players didnt seem to really be effected by the bigger ball overseas after a few practices so i dont believe lowering the rim 1 ft would be all that big of an adjustment . Thats just my opinion though some players do overthink things and it could really deter there game Ala (Marissa Coleman)



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 8:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If you want excitement just put spikes on the players knees and elbow pads. Or eliminate calling fouls all together. They could make the games like " Roller Ball ". That would really increase viewership. Or they could just have the players play naked.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 10:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

willtalk wrote:
If you want excitement just put spikes on the players knees and elbow pads. Or eliminate calling fouls all together. They could make the games like " Roller Ball ". That would really increase viewership. Or they could just have the players play naked.


Thank you. It is depressing that this unfortunate discussion has been revived. A wonderful sport shouldn't be ruined in the name of wanting "something exciting."



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 11:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

willtalk wrote:
If you want excitement just put spikes on the players knees and elbow pads. Or eliminate calling fouls all together. They could make the games like " Roller Ball ". That would really increase viewership. Or they could just have the players play naked.


Neither of your suggestions would be allowed to be broadcast, if they were found to be legal.




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PostPosted: 06/16/17 11:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'd say lowering the number of fouls would be the best way to make the games more entertaining. I think there would be fewer injuries, defense would be less physical and less damaging to players, more baskets would be scored and players might foul out more often making game outcome less predictable. 5 fouls would be the same number per minute as the NBA has. Also - cut down on these muggings called "hard screens" and "hard fouls." Suspend players for the game on a flagrant 1, and review for a suspension the following game the next day.

They would also do a lot to shorten the games - fewer reviews, make all FT's 1 and 1's. Make all fouls in the last 2 minutes 1 and 1 and all TO's 20 second in the last 2 minutes as well, Just make the game quicker, less predictable and less tedious and it will be better. None of these things fall into the category of gimmicks either.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 11:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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5 fouls would be the same number per minute as the NBA has.


And the same number per minute as NCAA men's and women's basketball.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 11:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Players didnt seem to really be effected by the bigger ball overseas after a few practices

What bigger ball overseas?

And I don't think the rim height is the issue, I think you guys just don't have entertaining enough players in the league...in my opinion Wink



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Players didnt seem to really be effected by the bigger ball overseas after a few practices

What bigger ball overseas?


I assume he means before FIBA switched to the smaller ball in 2004.



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pilight wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
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Players didnt seem to really be effected by the bigger ball overseas after a few practices

What bigger ball overseas?


I assume he means before FIBA switched to the smaller ball in 2004.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 4:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I certainly wouldn't mind changing some of the foul rules and interpretations. One thing I have considered is not stopping play on a defensive foul unless it results in a change of possession. There would be delayed penalties, where the foul would only be assessed if a team didn't score. The block/charge rule needs to be cleaned up. I'm not even sure I know exactly what the current interpretations are as they relate to both primary and secondary defenders (and trying to infer them from actual calls is impossible.) I have no problem with cutting the elimination level rom 6 to 5. And while I wouldn't do away with foul shots, I wouldn't mind allowing the offending team to choose to take the ball out of bounds.

On the offensive side, I would limit the time it takes for a free throw to 5 seconds. I would also clean up post play, particularly the practice of post players who make their initial offensive move by going straight into their defender to create space (sorry Nneka, that should be called a foul.)

And apart from fouls, I would limit TOs to no more than 2 in any one quarter.
All of this would improve game flow.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Good ideas. I like the shoot or possession option - at least for the last two minutes. I would go with the possession arrow rather than a jump ball as well.

I would also cut out all the talking back to officials by the players. I would let the team captain ask for clarifications, and tell the rest of the players it is a t for talking to the official. All the constant whining and complaining makes the game look unprofessional and is a very bad example for kids to follow.


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