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PostPosted: 04/27/18 9:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As per usual, Wesley Morris has a take worth reading:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/arts/television/cosby-show-african-americans.html

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Bill Cosby was good at his job. That sums up why the guilty verdict Thursday is depressing — depressing not for its shock but for the work the verdict now requires me to do. The discarding and condemning and reconsidering — of the shows, the albums, the movies. But I don’t need to watch them anymore. It’s too late. I’ve seen them. I’ve absorbed them. I’ve lived them. I’m a black man, so I am them.


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PUmatty wrote:
As per usual, Wesley Morris has a take worth reading:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/arts/television/cosby-show-african-americans.html

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Bill Cosby was good at his job. That sums up why the guilty verdict Thursday is depressing — depressing not for its shock but for the work the verdict now requires me to do. The discarding and condemning and reconsidering — of the shows, the albums, the movies. But I don’t need to watch them anymore. It’s too late. I’ve seen them. I’ve absorbed them. I’ve lived them. I’m a black man, so I am them.


Why we shouldn't make heroes out of actors, comedians, athletes, etc. They are just doing their job.


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PostPosted: 04/27/18 11:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Carol Anne wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
As per usual, Wesley Morris has a take worth reading:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/arts/television/cosby-show-african-americans.html

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Bill Cosby was good at his job. That sums up why the guilty verdict Thursday is depressing — depressing not for its shock but for the work the verdict now requires me to do. The discarding and condemning and reconsidering — of the shows, the albums, the movies. But I don’t need to watch them anymore. It’s too late. I’ve seen them. I’ve absorbed them. I’ve lived them. I’m a black man, so I am them.


Why we shouldn't make heroes out of actors, comedians, athletes, etc. They are just doing their job.


Hero worship, assigning higher value, idolizing the famous is just part of the territory. Humanity finds it hard to separate their emotional response from their logical ones. Famous people evoke feel good emotions in their fans. Its because they evokes those kinds of feelings that they are a fan. So asking people to not make the athletes, actors, etc. into their heroes is akin to telling them not to believe in anyone.
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hyperetic wrote:
Carol Anne wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
As per usual, Wesley Morris has a take worth reading:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/arts/television/cosby-show-african-americans.html

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Bill Cosby was good at his job. That sums up why the guilty verdict Thursday is depressing — depressing not for its shock but for the work the verdict now requires me to do. The discarding and condemning and reconsidering — of the shows, the albums, the movies. But I don’t need to watch them anymore. It’s too late. I’ve seen them. I’ve absorbed them. I’ve lived them. I’m a black man, so I am them.


Why we shouldn't make heroes out of actors, comedians, athletes, etc. They are just doing their job.


Hero worship, assigning higher value, idolizing the famous is just part of the territory. Humanity finds it hard to separate their emotional response from their logical ones. Famous people evoke feel good emotions in their fans. Its because they evokes those kinds of feelings that they are a fan. So asking people to not make the athletes, actors, etc. into their heroes is akin to telling them not to believe in anyone.


This is, to be clear, not what Morris talking about in this piece.


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PostPosted: 04/27/18 12:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Carol Anne wrote:
Why we shouldn't make heroes out of actors, comedians, athletes, etc. They are just doing their job.


We shouldn't expect our heroes to be flawless. Cosby inspired a generation of comics while perpetrating his vile treatment of women. Not everyone you look up to will have something as bad as this in their makeup, but they will all do or say things you wish they wouldn't.



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PostPosted: 04/27/18 3:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Carol Anne wrote:
Why we shouldn't make heroes out of actors, comedians, athletes, etc. They are just doing their job.


We shouldn't expect our heroes to be flawless. Cosby inspired a generation of comics while perpetrating his vile treatment of women. Not everyone you look up to will have something as bad as this in their makeup, but they will all do or say things you wish they wouldn't.


I can agree with that. We, ourselves, are flawed and have things about ourselves that will not meet the seal of approval of our peers.
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PostPosted: 05/04/18 11:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bill Cosby held a big party at Temple in December 2004.

It was the premiere of his new movie, Fat Albert. The film, based on the decades-old animated series inspired by Cosby’s childhood in North Philadelphia, was the first film screenwriting credit of Cosby’s storied career. The premiere, held at Temple’s basketball arena, was a tribute to Temple and to Cosby’s childhood. He dedicated the movie’s premiere to then-Temple women’s hoops coach Dawn Staley. He clowned around with Temple’s cheerleaders.

Earlier that year, Bill Cosby had drugged and sexually assaulted a Temple employee...

https://deadspin.com/how-temple-helped-normalize-bill-cosby-after-he-sexuall-1825710131


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PostPosted: 05/04/18 2:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

hyperetic wrote:
pilight wrote:
Carol Anne wrote:
Why we shouldn't make heroes out of actors, comedians, athletes, etc. They are just doing their job.


We shouldn't expect our heroes to be flawless. Cosby inspired a generation of comics while perpetrating his vile treatment of women. Not everyone you look up to will have something as bad as this in their makeup, but they will all do or say things you wish they wouldn't.


I can agree with that. We, ourselves, are flawed and have things about ourselves that will not meet the seal of approval of our peers.


Flawed we ALL may be, but one key difference with a character like Cosby is that he ADOPTED AND WAVED THE MANTLE OF "ROLE MODEL" for a whole generation (and more). Harvey is a pig, but at least he didn't pass himself off as anything that resembled a moral guiding light, especially to small kids. It's that discrepancy that makes some offenses more egregious than others, imo....but it's all "Bad". Crying or Very sad



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