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UofDel_Alum
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| I am not sure why Chicago fans or for that matter WNBA fans are against this trade. It was figured out at the beginning of this season that Sylvia wanted to go to Minnesota. (by the way congratulations to those rebkell fans) It was obvious that Sylvia was not going to play this year without getting what she wanted. This left Pokey with very little options. She has decided to make the team better in order for Chicago to have the best chance to get into the WNBA finals. I support that decision.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:37 am ::: |
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| I am not sure why Chicago fans or for that matter WNBA fans are against this trade. It was figured out at the beginning of this season that Sylvia wanted to go to Minnesota. (by the way congratulations to those rebkell fans) It was obvious that Sylvia was not going to play this year without getting what she wanted. This left Pokey with very little options. She has decided to make the team better in order for Chicago to have the best chance to get into the WNBA finals. I support that decision. |
We are against it because she just made the favourite stronger. It appears that Chicago decreased their chances of winning the finals and increased the Lynx chances of winning it. The only good thing about it is next year the Lynx will be better prepared to try and stop the Mercury from again dominating the league. But that ultimately only means the Lynx and Mercury will dominate the league.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:39 am ::: |
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| I am not sure why Chicago fans or for that matter WNBA fans are against this trade. It was figured out at the beginning of this season that Sylvia wanted to go to Minnesota. (by the way congratulations to those rebkell fans) It was obvious that Sylvia was not going to play this year without getting what she wanted. This left Pokey with very little options. She has decided to make the team better in order for Chicago to have the best chance to get into the WNBA finals. I support that decision. |
We are against it because she just made the favorite stronger. Chicago did not increase their chances of winning the finals. |
Yes, I understand the west feelings, but your wrong, this trade made Chicago better. Does not guarantee a Eastern championship.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:45 am ::: |
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| I am not sure why Chicago fans or for that matter WNBA fans are against this trade. It was figured out at the beginning of this season that Sylvia wanted to go to Minnesota. (by the way congratulations to those rebkell fans) It was obvious that Sylvia was not going to play this year without getting what she wanted. This left Pokey with very little options. She has decided to make the team better in order for Chicago to have the best chance to get into the WNBA finals. I support that decision. |
We are against it because she just made the favorite stronger. Chicago did not increase their chances of winning the finals. |
Yes, I understand the west feelings, but your wrong, this trade made Chicago better. Does not guarantee a Eastern championship. |
I wasn't saying it didn't make Fowles-less Chicago better, I was saying it didn't make Chicago better versus the Lynx. I think the Lynx improved more from Fowles than any improvement Chicago got by getting DeSouza. Although having said that, if Fowles starts the thing where she angrily demands the ball without a fully established post position, the Lynx may have some issues.
But you're right, I shouldn't assume a Chicago/Lynx championship is a done deal. They aren't even in first place. if they did it to try and improve their chances to get to the Finals, then it makes sense.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:47 am ::: |
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The people who are saying "Chicago just handed Minnesota a title," let me ask this: what should Pokey have done? Sylvia wasn't going to play for them. The only place she would go is Minnesota. So should Pokey not have traded her at all? Let her sit the rest of the year and go for nothing? Or try to get something for her? This isn't like Phoenix and Diana. The Sky couldn't sit tight for a year and then Sylvia would be back.
Yes, Minnesota is a massive favorite. But massive favorites have failed before. And if Minnesota fails, the Sky are probably the favorite to be the team that will jump in and take their title. This deal wasn't about trying to catch Minnesota. This was about trying to get ahead of the rest of the league in the event Minnesota flames out.
The Sky got something for nothing in this deal. Is it value for value? I would argue yes it is. The Sky got a good player who will PLAY, for a great player who won't. Who cares how good Sylvia is sitting at home?
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:48 am ::: |
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IDK I think it makes Chicago better this year but if I was Chicago I might have preferred Dantas, Gray and Minny's 1st round pick in a straight up trade. De Souuza seems a little off this season, next year is an Olympic year so she might miss some time and the following year she is 35. IMO Chicago is going all in for this season, but will struggle to beat the team they traded Fowles to if they make it to the finals which is why so many in Chicago were against making any sort of trade in the first place. Or I'm just annoyed because this will really make it a lot harder on NY this season.
In other news Atlanta did OK, I don't think this is a bad move for them, they have a nice current and future post contingent in Lyttle, Henry, Dantas, Burdick and Gray, and will be able to absorb the loss of Lyttle in the future better than before, and it wasn't like they were setting the world a blaze this season. Even if they miss out on Stewart if Atl does end up in the lottery Mo Jeff could be a nice solution to their biggest problem. |
We have a bunch of forwards now, but no center. Who's going to play center? Lyttle (when she returns)? She's not built to be a center. Henry is the closest we have (at 6'4"), but to me, she's also a forward (on her bio, she's listed as a F/C). She's also prone to fouling a lot, so will her minutes go up, or stay the same because she's parked on the bench in foul trouble?
I'm not sold MoJeff will stick in the league. I think her size will get in her way. I love her game and her quickness, but her size is a concern to me. |
It looked to me like Henry was getting most of her minutes behind De Souza this season, and Dantas was getting most her minutes behind Jones at the center spot in Minny. Neither are the dominant old school rim protecting center that De Souza was but both have and can play at the center spot. Atl has also been playing Angel at the 4 spot a little so maybe they are trying to go smaller and faster. I hope it works out for Atlanta since they are one of my favorite teams and watching them struggle this season (except when playing NY) has been a bummer.
Also I think Jefferson is small but she has the speed to maybe be a smaller D-Rob type of player and unlike D-Rob she has an outside shot, I think her basement is being a faster, stronger, more defensive version of Mitchell, which would be a big improvement on the PG options that Atl currently has. She also seems to have that Atlanta vibe and could be a nice fit alongside Hayes and McCoughtry. TBH even with the trade I still think Atlanta will fight its way into the playoffs so Atl fans should keep an eye on next years crop of PGs with its two first round picks.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:54 am ::: |
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The people who are saying "Chicago just handed Minnesota a title," let me ask this: what should Pokey have done? Sylvia wasn't going to play for them. The only place she would go is Minnesota. So should Pokey not have traded her at all? Let her sit the rest of the year and go for nothing? Or try to get something for her? This isn't like Phoenix and Diana. The Sky couldn't sit tight for a year and then Sylvia would be back.
Yes, Minnesota is a massive favorite. But massive favorites have failed before. And if Minnesota fails, the Sky are probably the favorite to be the team that will jump in and take their title. This deal wasn't about trying to catch Minnesota. This was about trying to get ahead of the rest of the league in the event Minnesota flames out.
The Sky got something for nothing in this deal. Is it value for value? I would argue yes it is. The Sky got a good player who will PLAY, for a great player who won't. Who cares how good Sylvia is sitting at home? |
If the goal is to win a title, as if should be for a team who was in the finals they year before, they got farther away from that goal with this trade. They would have had more of a chance of winning a title keeping Fowles cored and not playing. Now they have made the team they have to go through stronger.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:57 am ::: |
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| I think what everyone needs to understand is Chicago has seemed to give themselves a small timetable to a win a championship and they were not going to do that with any of the center options and they at least were given one who knows what she is doing and has experience. Lets not forget she was all star just last season and all chicago needs for her is to have a couple of more healthy, pretty productive seasons and then they go from there. Cappie and Erika are obviously not young and will need a championship in the next two years and I think it is very possible. Who knows is Syl is in game shape and who knows how they click. Seimone isn't even playing right now.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 9:59 am ::: |
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The people who are saying "Chicago just handed Minnesota a title," let me ask this: what should Pokey have done? Sylvia wasn't going to play for them. The only place she would go is Minnesota. So should Pokey not have traded her at all? Let her sit the rest of the year and go for nothing? Or try to get something for her? This isn't like Phoenix and Diana. The Sky couldn't sit tight for a year and then Sylvia would be back.
Yes, Minnesota is a massive favorite. But massive favorites have failed before. And if Minnesota fails, the Sky are probably the favorite to be the team that will jump in and take their title. This deal wasn't about trying to catch Minnesota. This was about trying to get ahead of the rest of the league in the event Minnesota flames out.
The Sky got something for nothing in this deal. Is it value for value? I would argue yes it is. The Sky got a good player who will PLAY, for a great player who won't. Who cares how good Sylvia is sitting at home? |
In the thread where this was being discussed at the beginning of the season I was very much in the camp of Chicago should trade Fowles something is better than nothing and a majority of people disagreed with that sentiment and many firmly stated they should just let her sit.
At the time Brunson and Wright or a 3 team traded that landed them De Souza and a pick from Minny were the ideas of what Chicago could get back in a good deal for Fowles, and it wasn't seen as enough at the time by many on the board.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 10:05 am ::: |
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If everything holds up the west is going to be very very scary next season.
Lindsey
Seimone
Maya
Rebekkah
Sylvia
Odyssey
Skylar
Karima
Glory/Plenette
Courtney
Diana
Monique (unless penny plays in olympic year)
Dewanna
Candice
Brittney
Erin
Kristi
Candace
Nneka
Jantel
and whoever gets breanna. oh dear
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| Posted: 07/27/15 10:09 am ::: |
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| I don't think Stewart ends up on a West team. It's about time for the odds to swing for an Eastern team to win the lottery.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 10:10 am ::: |
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| Also, Erika is out of contract at the end of the season and can't be cored again. The Dream would have likely lost her and gotten nothing in return anyway.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 10:11 am ::: |
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| I am not sure why Chicago fans or for that matter WNBA fans are against this trade. It was figured out at the beginning of this season that Sylvia wanted to go to Minnesota. (by the way congratulations to those rebkell fans) It was obvious that Sylvia was not going to play this year without getting what she wanted. This left Pokey with very little options. She has decided to make the team better in order for Chicago to have the best chance to get into the WNBA finals. I support that decision. |
We are against it because she just made the favorite stronger. Chicago did not increase their chances of winning the finals. |
Yes, I understand the west feelings, but your wrong, this trade made Chicago better. Does not guarantee a Eastern championship. |
I would tend to agree with your assessment. While before the trade both the Lynx and the Sky were the favored to make the finals, this doesn't mean the other teams were just going to hand it to them.
Yes, this probably makes the Lynx tougher to beat if the Sky run into them in the finals, but teams can't think that way. Instead, they have to think, "Does this trade make my team better?". Perhaps you consider the other team's strength a little bit if they are in the same conference/division, but to a team in the opposing conference? To win a championship, you first have to actually make it to the finals. To worry about the team you will face if you happen to get there is putting the cart before the horse.
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| Posted: 07/27/15 10:12 am ::: |
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| Also, Erika is out of contract at the end of the season and can't be cored again. The Dream would have likely lost her and gotten nothing in return anyway. |
Now that's true. I'm not sure we would have lost her, though.
I wonder who the Dream cores now?
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Congrats to the Lynx!
So she will be fine. She will play better with the Sky because Sloot will get her the ball in the right place and she doesnt draw a lot of defensive attention because the Sky already have EDD and Cappie on the wings.
