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Let Pence and his fools have their law.
Put LARGE signs on the door or in the window of each and every business.
Pretty, bright, colorful, welcoming ones of the businesses that will serve everyone and black ones for those business that wish to discriminate. Then let's see how long before there are no more black signs. |
Oh Honey, it's Indiana, there will be plenty of black signs  |
I think (hope?) that a lot of people that are happy to hide their hatred and ignorance behind the anonymity of a ballot box aren't as willing to put it on their front doors for all to see and then take their business elsewhere.
It will also show if it's business people that want this or if it's just losers with no skin in the game. |
Good point!
I know many Republicans who don;t cotton to the extreme Christian Tea Party shit but won;t really do anything about it til it hurts them, and I think it will eventually... |
The Chamber of Commerce has spoken out loudly against this bill. Businesses for the most part are against it. |
Could it be that the chamber doesn't speak for business owners as Pence and this law doesn't speak for Hoosiers? |
Well, the Chamber is made up of business owners....
Discrimination, legal or otherwise, is bad for business. It's no surprise they fought against it. The Arizona Chamber was a big reason the law was vetoed there. While there is undoubtedly some bigoted business owners out there that are thrilled, most--especially the larger ones--are very unhappy.
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| Posted: 03/28/15 11:22 pm ::: |
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Let Pence and his fools have their law.
Put LARGE signs on the door or in the window of each and every business.
Pretty, bright, colorful, welcoming ones of the businesses that will serve everyone and black ones for those business that wish to discriminate. Then let's see how long before there are no more black signs. |
Oh Honey, it's Indiana, there will be plenty of black signs |
I think (hope?) that a lot of people that are happy to hide their hatred and ignorance behind the anonymity of a ballot box aren't as willing to put it on their front doors for all to see and then take their business elsewhere.
It will also show if it's business people that want this or if it's just losers with no skin in the game. |
Good point!
I know many Republicans who don;t cotton to the extreme Christian Tea Party shit but won;t really do anything about it til it hurts them, and I think it will eventually... |
The Chamber of Commerce has spoken out loudly against this bill. Businesses for the most part are against it. |
Could it be that the chamber doesn't speak for business owners as Pence and this law doesn't speak for Hoosiers? |
Well, the Chamber is made up of business owners....
Discrimination, legal or otherwise, is bad for business. It's no surprise they fought against it. The Arizona Chamber was a big reason the law was vetoed there. While there is undoubtedly some bigoted business owners out there that are thrilled, most--especially the larger ones--are very unhappy. |
What I'm thinking is it the majority of businesses that the chamber is speaking for or the businesses with the most to lose? Sometimes big money speaks louder than thousands of people can.
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| Posted: 03/28/15 11:29 pm ::: |
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http://www.wthr.com/story/28640608/indiana-governor-supports-clarifying-religious-objection-law
Now Pence is supporting legislation to clarify the intent of the law.
Also, Seattle mayor is prohibiting travel on city money to Indiana. |
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| He declined to provide details but told the newspaper that making gay and lesbian Indiana residents a protected legal class is "not on my agenda." |
Just in case anyone still had any doubts.
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| Posted: 03/29/15 1:59 am ::: |
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Statement From NBA, WNBA, Indiana Pacers and Indiana Fever
Official Release | March 28, 2015
NEW YORK The following joint statement was issued today by the NBA, WNBA, Indiana Pacers and Indiana Fever in regard to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act recently signed into law in Indiana:
"The game of basketball is grounded in long established principles of inclusion and mutual respect. We will continue to ensure that all fans, players and employees feel welcome at all NBA and WNBA events in Indiana and elsewhere."
Additionally, Pacers and Fever owner Herb Simon stated:
"The Indiana Pacers, Indiana Fever and Bankers Life Fieldhouse have the strongest possible commitment to inclusion and non-discrimination on any basis. Everyone is always welcome at Bankers Life Fieldhouse. That has always been the policy from the very beginning of the Simon family's involvement and it always will be."
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Statement from Alisha Valavanis
Seattle Storm in Support of Fever, Pacers Stand Against Discrimination
March 28, 2015
SEATTLE The following statement was issued today by Seattle Storm President & General Manager Alisha Valavanis. Earlier today, the Indiana Fever and Pacers issued a joint statement in regard to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act recently signed into law in Indiana:
"We're with the Indiana Fever and Pacers in support of inclusion. I'm proud of the Seattle Storm ownership and franchise stand against discrimination and for equality."
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| Posted: 03/29/15 3:08 pm ::: |
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If you will imagine...
A photo of Pence reiterating his statement: "This law is not about discrimination."
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| Posted: 03/29/15 10:42 pm ::: |
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http://www.wthr.com/story/28640608/indiana-governor-supports-clarifying-religious-objection-law
Now Pence is supporting legislation to clarify the intent of the law.
Also, Seattle mayor is prohibiting travel on city money to Indiana. |
I'll be interested to see if they can come up with a clarification that can pass the Indiana legislature and that will address the concerns about discrimination against gays.
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I'm actually in a business where you sometimes can't take customers who come to you, but I know that's not what you're talking about.
I can't imagine turning someone away based on religion, gender, sexual orientation and other immutable characteristics. I can imagine not working with someone based on personal characteristics - really terrible people, basically, but again that's not your question.
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| Posted: 03/30/15 11:50 am ::: |
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I'm actually in a business where you sometimes can't take customers who come to you, but I know that's not what you're talking about.
I can't imagine turning someone away based on religion, gender, sexual orientation and other immutable characteristics. I can imagine not working with someone based on personal characteristics - really terrible people, basically, but again that's not your question. |
Well, HERE'S one: I'm a gay man, and own a large printing & sign company. I get Fred Phelps' congregation coming to me to make up 1,000 "God Hates Fags" signs for their next event. What do I do?  |
I'd suggest printing them with a typo, maybe turning the H into a D or the last a into an i ("God Hates Figs" has a nice ring to it), except that they're a very litigious bunch and they'd probably sue you.
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Westboro Baptist Church is a funny example, in the sense that it's sort of a religion, but also sort of a bunch of people with insane and hideous ideas.
The Civil Rights Act tries to draw a line around businesses that generally serve anyone and businesses that don't - that's the "public accommodation" notion - sort of the same way that telephone and trucking companies are supposed to serve anyone (and, historically, the notion of a common carrier actually comes from turnpikes and inns, so it's sort of coming full circle). But the line isn't really precise, and probably can't be.
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| Posted: 03/30/15 4:09 pm ::: |
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| I think the distinction is that it isn't a protected group. But I'm an engineer, not a lawyer! |
In Howee's example the sign maker is discriminating based on religion, which is a protected class. |
No, they are not. They are discriminating against a specific message being written on the sign, and they likely wouldn't print that message for anybody no matter who they are.
If they would write that message for others but would not write it for people of a specific religion (eg: Westboro Baptists) then they would have a discrimination case.
Tony's example of a photographer refusing to do pornography is a perfect example. They are refusing a specific type of content, not a specific group of people.
Similarly, a photographer who does not do any wedding photographs would not be considered to be discriminatory if they also refused to do same-sex weddings, as "weddings" is a type of content. However, if they do heterosexual weddings and refuse homosexual ones, then they are drawing a distinction based solely upon sexual orientation, and that, by definition, is discrimination.
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