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Oy. What an idiot.
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Clearly she needs to learn the value of a proportional response
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| Posted: 04/01/15 9:58 pm ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding.
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| Posted: 04/01/15 10:25 pm ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
Well, at least not *regular* pizza. Maybe artisanal organic locally-sourced Brooklyn pizza.
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| Posted: 04/01/15 10:41 pm ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
Maybe they thought that by getting in early on their announcement, they would attract a large proportion of the ignorant minority, which I'm sure would still equate to a lot of people.
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| Posted: 04/01/15 11:20 pm ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
OMG! The pictures...wow. Not a good idea to piss off the internet. The trolls sense weakness. LMFAO
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| Posted: 04/01/15 11:29 pm ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
Maybe they thought that by getting in early on their announcement, they would attract a large proportion of the ignorant minority, which I'm sure would still equate to a lot of people. |
There is a gofundme page someone set up to help the offset the financial costs to the pizzaria for "standing up for their religious beliefs". It's raised ~$41k in about 6 hours. So there is definitely a bigot crowd out there to whom they appeal.
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| Posted: 04/02/15 8:07 am ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
Maybe they thought that by getting in early on their announcement, they would attract a large proportion of the ignorant minority, which I'm sure would still equate to a lot of people. |
There is a gofundme page someone set up to help the offset the financial costs to the pizzaria for "standing up for their religious beliefs". It's raised ~$41k in about 6 hours. So there is definitely a bigot crowd out there to whom they appeal. |
its now up to $57k.
edited to add: http://www.gofundme.com/memoriespizza
seems the fund was initiated by the Glenn Beck's folks at The Blaze.
why do all these 'christians' have such persecution complexes?
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| Posted: 04/02/15 9:05 am ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
Maybe they thought that by getting in early on their announcement, they would attract a large proportion of the ignorant minority, which I'm sure would still equate to a lot of people. |
There is a gofundme page someone set up to help the offset the financial costs to the pizzaria for "standing up for their religious beliefs". It's raised ~$41k in about 6 hours. So there is definitely a bigot crowd out there to whom they appeal. |
its now up to $57k.
edited to add: http://www.gofundme.com/memoriespizza
seems the fund was initiated by the Glenn Beck's folks at The Blaze.
why do all these 'christians' have such persecution complexes? |
To be fair, the Romans were pretty tough on them...
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
Maybe they thought that by getting in early on their announcement, they would attract a large proportion of the ignorant minority, which I'm sure would still equate to a lot of people. |
There is a gofundme page someone set up to help the offset the financial costs to the pizzaria for "standing up for their religious beliefs". It's raised ~$41k in about 6 hours. So there is definitely a bigot crowd out there to whom they appeal. |
That's money coming from all over the world. Doesn't mean there are enough in Indiana to keep them in business.
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| Posted: 04/02/15 9:51 am ::: |
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Didn't the owners of Memories Pizza realize that they'd be facing a major backlash when they put those views out there? Did they think that their like-minded bigot brethren would flock to their restaurant, like people did with Chick-Fil-A? Dumb. Just purely dumb.
The Yelp reviews are hysterical. I highly recommend them.
Regardless, no self-respecting gay couple would cater pizza for their wedding. |
Maybe they thought that by getting in early on their announcement, they would attract a large proportion of the ignorant minority, which I'm sure would still equate to a lot of people. |
There is a gofundme page someone set up to help the offset the financial costs to the pizzaria for "standing up for their religious beliefs". It's raised ~$41k in about 6 hours. So there is definitely a bigot crowd out there to whom they appeal. |
That's money coming from all over the world. Doesn't mean there are enough in Indiana to keep them in business. |
Yeah. As a business plan it's crap. Many people may make an emotional one time donation, but that's not going to keep the lights on a year from now.
What it might do, however, is buy them time until the social outrage goes and finds a new target and the masses forget about them.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/wiccans-say-indiana-religious-freedom-law-opens-the-door-to-polygamy-nude-rituals-at-the-capitol/
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Wiccans would also legally be able to refuse drug tests in states with religious freedom laws, because natural substances like marijuana and hallucinogens are herbs used to enhance experience at officially sanctioned religious ceremonies. Moreover, Dionne explained, giving the blood or urine samples required for such tests would run contrary to their belief that the body is a temple, and if you come for a piece of my temple, I can say no.
They would also be free to dance naked on state Capitol steps so long as the moon was full, as a Wiccan holy text The Charge of the Goddess sanctions the practice. |
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| Has anyone heard/seen any of the alleged 'changes' Pence was planning on for the legislation?
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CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT DIGEST FOR ESB 50
Citations Affected: 1C 34-13-9.
Synopsis: Antidiscrimination safeguards. Indicates that the law related to adjudicating a claim or defense that a state or local law, ordinance, or other action substantially burdens the exercise of religion of a person:
(1) does not authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public;
(2) does not establish a defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution for refusal by a provider to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public; and
(3) does not negate any rights available under the Constitution of the State of Indiana. |
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CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT DIGEST FOR ESB 50
Citations Affected: 1C 34-13-9.
Synopsis: Antidiscrimination safeguards. Indicates that the law related to adjudicating a claim or defense that a state or local law, ordinance, or other action substantially burdens the exercise of religion of a person:
(1) does not authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public;
(2) does not establish a defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution for refusal by a provider to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public; and
(3) does not negate any rights available under the Constitution of the State of Indiana. |
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Then it begs the question - exactly what does the new statute do to protect Freedom of Religion. Does it give a Muslim woman the right to wear a burqa (or even a hajib) for a driver's license photo (which defeats one of the main points of the photo)?
No I have not read the statute.
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| Posted: 04/03/15 9:41 am ::: |
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CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT DIGEST FOR ESB 50
Citations Affected: 1C 34-13-9.
Synopsis: Antidiscrimination safeguards. Indicates that the law related to adjudicating a claim or defense that a state or local law, ordinance, or other action substantially burdens the exercise of religion of a person:
(1) does not authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public;
(2) does not establish a defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution for refusal by a provider to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public; and
(3) does not negate any rights available under the Constitution of the State of Indiana. |
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Then it begs the question - exactly what does the new statute do to protect Freedom of Religion. Does it give a Muslim woman the right to wear a burqa (or even a hajib) for a driver's license photo (which defeats one of the main points of the photo)?
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The new Indiana law was never meant to protect religious freedom. It was intended to allow secular businesses to discriminate against gay people if the fact of gay people getting married offended their owners, even though this in no genuine way actually burdened their right to believe or worship as they see fit. The new law pitted private people against each other.
Your question about a Muslim woman wearing a burqa for a driver's license photo is an issue between the individual and the government. Certainly a state could pass a true religious freedom law in which, in that instance, the government would have to show that it has a compelling interest in a rule requiring that everyone's driver's license photo show the person's face, uncovered.
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| Posted: 04/03/15 9:59 am ::: |
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Therein lies the problem. We're talking at cross purposes. I'm only mildly concerned with the law. Laws can and do get changed all the time. As always, they lag behind larger societal changes. I am far more bothered by people justifying their hatred with seelctive interpretation of Scripture. They're not really any different from people who say "Death to the Infidels!" |
Well, if you're really worried about attitudes and not the law, then you are certainly focused on the wrong state. There are far worse than Indiana. Take Arkansas, for example. Not only are there are no state-wide protections in Arkansas for LGBT people in employment, housing, or public accommodations, last month the state adopted a law that prohibits cities and counties from establishing LGBT protections of their own. In Indiana, the reality is that most of the population is covered by non-discrimination laws that cover sexual orientation because most of the larges cities and counties already have such laws. Moreover, the RFRA originally adopted by the Ark legislature (and which the governor promised to sign until Walmart really leaned on him) included a completely unique provision that elevated religious freedom over all other legal rights in the state. That bill provided:
"EMERGENCY CLAUSE. It is found and determined by the General Assembly of the State of Arkansas that there is not a higher protection offered by the state than the protection of a person's right to religious freedom; and that this act is immediately necessary because every day that a person's right to religious freedom is threatened is a day that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution is compromised."
So had Walmart not stepped in, in Arkansas, so-called "religious freedom" would have taken precedence over equal protection of the laws or any other right. There could have been no "compelling state interest" to override the RFRA defenses. It was the most strident, lopsided, discrimination-enabling RFRA law proposed anywhere in the country. And the legislature passed it without a problem.
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