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| It happens that way sometimes. Some athletes are blessed with looks & charisma to go along with their talent and in some cases overshadowing their talent. |
Beauty, talent, fame, money, refinement
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tfan
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| Posted: 12/12/14 11:45 am ::: |
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I certainly don't hate her.
I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
It happens that way sometimes. Some athletes are blessed with looks & charisma to go along with their talent and in some cases overshadowing their talent. |
So how would you characterize your feelings towards Skylar Diggins?
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| Posted: 12/12/14 11:59 am ::: |
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I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
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She was a two time AP 1st team all American, two time Lieberman Award winner, two time Big East POY, is the all time career scoring leader at Notre Dame. This year she was the 2nd leading scorer in the WNBA, 4th in assists, a 1st team All WNBA, and set the season scoring and assists records for the Shock
Maybe you can fill me in on what more she was supposed to have done to earn your approval.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 12:36 pm ::: |
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| Okay let's look at it another way, W players make decent money comparatively to the average Joe. What about a family? Wouldn't they need more income for that? |
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| Posted: 12/12/14 12:44 pm ::: |
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I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
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She was a two time AP 1st team all American, two time Lieberman Award winner, two time Big East POY, is the all time career scoring leader at Notre Dame. This year she was the 2nd leading scorer in the WNBA, 4th in assists, a 1st team All WNBA, and set the season scoring and assists records for the Shock
Maybe you can fill me in on what more she was supposed to have done to earn your approval. |
I'm guessing Beemer was referring to Diggins rookie season, in which she was getting attention and not putting a good product on the court._________________
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| Posted: 12/12/14 12:59 pm ::: |
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I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
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She was a two time AP 1st team all American, two time Lieberman Award winner, two time Big East POY, is the all time career scoring leader at Notre Dame. This year she was the 2nd leading scorer in the WNBA, 4th in assists, a 1st team All WNBA, and set the season scoring and assists records for the Shock
Maybe you can fill me in on what more she was supposed to have done to earn your approval. |
I'm guessing Beemer was referring to Diggins rookie season, in which she was getting attention and not putting a good product on the court. |
I doubt that explains the "than her play in college. . .warrants" part.
And a lot of people called Britney Griner's 1st year disappointing too, and she wasn't All WNBA either, but that doesn't detract one bit from the reality that she's the most dominant player in the game.
I'm guessing that despite the denials, Beemer just hates/resents/envies (or some combination thereof) Diggins.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 1:24 pm ::: |
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What is this? The third or fourth No-Sky-Zone thread?
No other woman bb player in the world is doing more to promote women's bb than Skylar Diggins. It bothers me to see women's bb fans snipping and sniping about someone just because they have their own favorite player who is NOT Skylar Diggins. Trying to drag Skylar down is NOT going to elevate your favorite player, and if your favorite player EVER read what you wrote, she would be mortified at having you use her name to justify negativity toward another player.
Nothing SKylar Diggins has done takes anything away from your own favorite player or team. Whether you like her or not, she is working very hard at promoting women's basketball and inspiring a whole lot of young women to play.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:03 pm ::: |
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| Beemer wrote: |
I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
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She was a two time AP 1st team all American, two time Lieberman Award winner, two time Big East POY, is the all time career scoring leader at Notre Dame. This year she was the 2nd leading scorer in the WNBA, 4th in assists, a 1st team All WNBA, and set the season scoring and assists records for the Shock
Maybe you can fill me in on what more she was supposed to have done to earn your approval. |
Lead her college team to a National Championship. And then lead the Shock into the playoffs leading to a championship. I know the latter will take time.
Sports are full of athletes who put up tremendous individual stats but fail to help or to lead their teams to wins when they really matter. And to me that is what a real superstar athlete does.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:03 pm ::: |
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I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
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She was a two time AP 1st team all American, two time Lieberman Award winner, two time Big East POY, is the all time career scoring leader at Notre Dame. This year she was the 2nd leading scorer in the WNBA, 4th in assists, a 1st team All WNBA, and set the season scoring and assists records for the Shock
Maybe you can fill me in on what more she was supposed to have done to earn your approval. |
I'm guessing Beemer was referring to Diggins rookie season, in which she was getting attention and not putting a good product on the court. |
You are correct.
I give her a lot of credit for the improvement she showed this past season.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:13 pm ::: |
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I certainly don't hate her.
I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
It happens that way sometimes. Some athletes are blessed with looks & charisma to go along with their talent and in some cases overshadowing their talent. |
So how would you characterize your feelings towards Skylar Diggins? |
Irritating I guess. I'm sick of hearing about her since so much of it is non basketball related.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:16 pm ::: |
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I give her a lot of credit for the improvement she showed this past season. |
Where was that? I must have missed that part of your posts.
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What is this? The third or fourth No-Sky-Zone thread?
No other woman bb player in the world is doing more to promote women's bb than Skylar Diggins. It bothers me to see women's bb fans snipping and sniping about someone just because they have their own favorite player who is NOT Skylar Diggins. Trying to drag Skylar down is NOT going to elevate your favorite player, and if your favorite player EVER read what you wrote, she would be mortified at having you use her name to justify negativity toward another player.
Nothing SKylar Diggins has done takes anything away from your own favorite player or team. Whether you like her or not, she is working very hard at promoting women's basketball and inspiring a whole lot of young women to play. |
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:17 pm ::: |
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I give her a lot of credit for the improvement she showed this past season. |
Where was that? I must have missed that part of your posts. |
There was a another thread about her or the Shock in which I said she had improved.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:38 pm ::: |
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| Just to clarify, the thread was about W players diversifying their income. Diggy was just an example of a possible alternative. It was not meant to become a referendum on her exclusively. The women in the W, IMO, need opportunities to expand their earning potential. That's why I opened this thread. |
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:41 pm ::: |
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| Just to clarify, the thread was about W players diversifying their income. Diggy was just an example of a possible alternative. It was not meant to become a referendum on her exclusively. The women in the W, IMO, need opportunities to expand their earning potential. That's why I opened this thread. |
I know what you intended. But it was as predictable as clockwork that the Diggins haters would be out in full force in this thread.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 4:50 pm ::: |
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| I think it's funny that any criticism of any sort toward Skylar is automatically pounced upon by her fans that we are all "haters". That gets a little tiresome. I've seen no one hating on Skylar on here.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 5:40 pm ::: |
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| I think it's funny that any criticism of any sort toward Skylar is automatically pounced upon by her fans that we are all "haters". That gets a little tiresome. I've seen no one hating on Skylar on here. |
But not the same thing you do with Prahalis, right?_________________
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| Posted: 12/12/14 6:01 pm ::: |
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| Just to clarify, the thread was about W players diversifying their income. Diggy was just an example of a possible alternative. It was not meant to become a referendum on her exclusively. The women in the W, IMO, need opportunities to expand their earning potential. That's why I opened this thread. |
Most of the people in this thread didn't even read the original post. Not your fault.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 6:02 pm ::: |
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| I think it's funny that any criticism of any sort toward Skylar is automatically pounced upon by her fans that we are all "haters". That gets a little tiresome. I've seen no one hating on Skylar on here. |
But not the same thing you do with Prahalis, right? |
I don't remember ever saying that. Of course no one believes in her, she's been cut by 4 teams. To most, that would seem like that the player isn't very good. I know that's not the case, but I understand why some do think that. All I can do is state my case to the contrary. I don't think most of the people who don't believe in her are "haters" though.
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| Posted: 12/12/14 8:59 pm ::: |
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I certainly don't hate her.
I do believe she gets more exposure than her play in college or the WNBA warrants.
It happens that way sometimes. Some athletes are blessed with looks & charisma to go along with their talent and in some cases overshadowing their talent. |
So how would you characterize your feelings towards Skylar Diggins? |
Irritating I guess. I'm sick of hearing about her since so much of it is non basketball related. |
But it isn't Diggins that is posting in the Skylar Diggins Offseason Thread. Seems like you should be irritated at the posters, not her, if hearing about her is the issue.
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| Posted: 12/13/14 3:05 am ::: |
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I don't understand how the thread went left. Everyone that points out something is NOT a hater.
For the record, Skylar said she wanted her brand to be big. We know this already so yes she wants to be famous. That's not hating. That's stating truth. Sigh. Everyone has aspirations. Those are hers.
BG's were 1. Winning WNBA Championships 2. Setting the WNBA block record 3. Combatting bullying Those are her goals.
So what. Why is it that serious? Everyone on this board always says someone is jealous....... How? Because they don't like your favorite player??
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| Posted: 12/13/14 3:07 am ::: |
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| Just to clarify, the thread was about W players diversifying their income. Diggy was just an example of a possible alternative. It was not meant to become a referendum on her exclusively. The women in the W, IMO, need opportunities to expand their earning potential. That's why I opened this thread. |
I know what you intended. But it was as predictable as clockwork that the Diggins haters would be out in full force in this thread. |
...... It's called stating your opinion. Hating and stating your opinion are 2 separate things.
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| Posted: 12/13/14 4:30 am ::: |
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Overall, I think it would be good for the league if more players were as visible as Diggins, but I don't know that its fair to blame representation/players for this. Sure, the league isn't great at promoting, and there are numerous opportunities missed; but overall I think the wbb market would have to grow or prove itself more before we see more widespread marketing of the players. |
And that, in of itself, is part of the problematic mindset. The premise is that its the market's job/mandate to grow and prove itself. That's not much more than a hit or miss proposition with that kind of thinking. A more progressive approach would be to work to create, build and enhance the market that you want. Its the difference between being passive and active. And Diggy is one that I definitely see being active, creating, building and enhancing her market. LLL did it. CP3 to a lesser extent. I think the Ogwumike sisters are starting to work on their brand. With their individualistic personalities, smarts, talent on and off the court, I can see several avenues being available to them. |
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| Posted: 12/13/14 7:41 am ::: |
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| I wish Diggins could have laudable goals like winning a championship and setting records the way Griner does. That is so refreshing in a WNBA player these days. Instead Skylar just wants to be famous. Nothing wrong with that, per se, but I understand that she also wants money with her fame . And not basketball money - she wants endorsement money. And not the good endorsement money that a player like Maya Moore takes. She wants the other kind. She sounds greedy and without principle, but I hope no one takes that as hate. It's not. Just an observation.
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