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| Considering they've repeatedly cored her, the Dream franchise clearly felt she'd be willing to play elsewhere if she had the choice. |
Or maybe just a way to give her a bonus. I assume it will go to Angel when she becomes a UFA, which must be soon. So I guess then we will see. |
Coring someone doesn't allow you to pay them any more than you already can as a UFA. And they'll be hoping to extend Angel before she becomes a UFA to avoid needing to core her. |
I thought a cored player got a couple thousand extra as supposed consolation for not being free to move. Maybe that changed? Or I just had it wrong? |
Here's an old Storm blog where they talk about coring bonus.
http://stormdefense.blogspot.com/2008/05/turnstyles.html?m=1
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| Posted: 08/29/14 2:13 am ::: |
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From Mechelle Voepel
We know one thing's for sure: The Sparks will have a new coach. And you have wonder if it might be the Dream's coach that the Sparks get. Considering Magic Johnson's ties to Michael Cooper, Coop's extensive past with the Sparks, and the fact that Candace Parker had such nice things to say about Coop when the Dream-Sparks played each other this year. I mean, I just have to wonder about the possibility of that.
So this adds another question - who replaces Cooper if that happens?
Karleen Thompson?
Teresa Edwards?
Carol Ross?
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Wasn't it mentioned that Teresa Edwards didn't want to be a head coach? So that would eliminate her from the candidate list.
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| Yes - I think she even said that quite recently in a halftime interview with LaChina. I don't see the Dream letting Cooper go and based on his presser after the Sky game, he's saying he still beleives in this team. He's about the only coach we've had the really put together a half court game. Erika getting her career high scoring season at age 32 says something about it.
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| Posted: 08/30/14 6:43 pm ::: |
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Angel isn't going anywhere, and neither is Shoni. Sancho just signed her extension as well. I would be fine with Shoni being the starting PG. I just don't see Celine coming back next year, or if she wants to, I don't see her back in 2016 with it being an Olympic year. Henry has to stay. I love her coming in at the post off the bench. She plays well with Sancho and Erika.
Will Thomas be back? Unsure if they'd want her to leave if Celine doesn't come back. I like Jaz off the bench, especially defensively. I'm not surprised someone brought up Prahalis though. But I think Thomas is the only Dream player with any trade potential.
Will Cooper be back is the biggest question. It wouldn't surprise me to see him end up in LA, and I hate that. He is shown that he is a great coach and knows how to coach stars. Could Carol and Gail come to ATL, along with Teresa as an assistant? hmmm.
Shooting is a need for us. As much as I love Armintie, she's there for defense mostly (and dang good at it) and isn't a shooter.
So, one more shooter definitely. Someone to back up Angel at the 3 (other than Tip), decide if Shoni is the PG or if Celine will return. And, Coach? Who knows.
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| Posted: 08/30/14 11:02 pm ::: |
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Atlanta is fine their top 7 rotation of Thomas/Schimmel, Hayes, McCoughtry, Lyttle, Henry and De Souza should all be brought back. Dumerc might not come back, and I don't think with the increased role that Shoni will have that you really need her. If Atlanta wants a back-up/back-up PG they can always bring back the cut very late in camp Prahalis. This core can still be a top team in the east. I agree with everyone else they need some shooters, and one more back-up post. If Dumerc is coming back maybe they can get something for J. Thomas.
If Seattle drafts KML maybe Atlanta could pick up Stricklen for the price of Thomas and the #10 pick?. Thomas vould fit as a defender on Seattles's 2nd unit, and with O'hea as Seattle bench shooter you can afford to have a bench defensive stopper who can't shoot. Strick is inconsistent but she can shoot the 3, maybe playing with Atlanta a team with more scoring options than Seattle she'll feel less pressure and will play better. They're probably stuck with Ajevon, but with both Schimmel and Strick being able to play at the 2 maybe you can avoid a lot of court time for Matee, or at least not have to rely on her, and if they want DMJ back as a veteran leader and 5th post they could do worse.
Schimmel/Dumerc/Prahalis
Hayes/Ajevon
McCoughtry/Stricklen
Lyttle/Henry/DMJ
De Souza/Colhando
If Dumerc doesn't come back and DMJ retires you can bring in some new blood off the waiver wire, give Orekova another look, pick up Georgia Tech's T. Marshall (if she doesn't go back to NY), maybe if healthy you could bring Whitney Hand in for a look, or Christina Foggie. Atlanta doesn't need a huge move IMO it just needs to feature Shoni more and pick up some additional support pieces. |
I like that lineup. And Sammy Prahalis would win the starting point guard spot within a month (probably sooner)
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| Posted: 08/30/14 11:15 pm ::: |
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Atlanta is fine their top 7 rotation of Thomas/Schimmel, Hayes, McCoughtry, Lyttle, Henry and De Souza should all be brought back. Dumerc might not come back, and I don't think with the increased role that Shoni will have that you really need her. If Atlanta wants a back-up/back-up PG they can always bring back the cut very late in camp Prahalis. This core can still be a top team in the east. I agree with everyone else they need some shooters, and one more back-up post. If Dumerc is coming back maybe they can get something for J. Thomas.
If Seattle drafts KML maybe Atlanta could pick up Stricklen for the price of Thomas and the #10 pick?. Thomas vould fit as a defender on Seattles's 2nd unit, and with O'hea as Seattle bench shooter you can afford to have a bench defensive stopper who can't shoot. Strick is inconsistent but she can shoot the 3, maybe playing with Atlanta a team with more scoring options than Seattle she'll feel less pressure and will play better. They're probably stuck with Ajevon, but with both Schimmel and Strick being able to play at the 2 maybe you can avoid a lot of court time for Matee, or at least not have to rely on her, and if they want DMJ back as a veteran leader and 5th post they could do worse.
Schimmel/Dumerc/Prahalis
Hayes/Ajevon
McCoughtry/Stricklen
Lyttle/Henry/DMJ
De Souza/Colhando
If Dumerc doesn't come back and DMJ retires you can bring in some new blood off the waiver wire, give Orekova another look, pick up Georgia Tech's T. Marshall (if she doesn't go back to NY), maybe if healthy you could bring Whitney Hand in for a look, or Christina Foggie. Atlanta doesn't need a huge move IMO it just needs to feature Shoni more and pick up some additional support pieces. |
I like that lineup. And Sammy Prahalis would win the starting point guard spot within a month (probably sooner) |
Yeah, 'cause she's been doing so well in the WNBA…
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| Posted: 08/31/14 1:04 am ::: |
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Atlanta is fine their top 7 rotation of Thomas/Schimmel, Hayes, McCoughtry, Lyttle, Henry and De Souza should all be brought back. Dumerc might not come back, and I don't think with the increased role that Shoni will have that you really need her. If Atlanta wants a back-up/back-up PG they can always bring back the cut very late in camp Prahalis. This core can still be a top team in the east. I agree with everyone else they need some shooters, and one more back-up post. If Dumerc is coming back maybe they can get something for J. Thomas.
If Seattle drafts KML maybe Atlanta could pick up Stricklen for the price of Thomas and the #10 pick?. Thomas vould fit as a defender on Seattles's 2nd unit, and with O'hea as Seattle bench shooter you can afford to have a bench defensive stopper who can't shoot. Strick is inconsistent but she can shoot the 3, maybe playing with Atlanta a team with more scoring options than Seattle she'll feel less pressure and will play better. They're probably stuck with Ajevon, but with both Schimmel and Strick being able to play at the 2 maybe you can avoid a lot of court time for Matee, or at least not have to rely on her, and if they want DMJ back as a veteran leader and 5th post they could do worse.
Schimmel/Dumerc/Prahalis
Hayes/Ajevon
McCoughtry/Stricklen
Lyttle/Henry/DMJ
De Souza/Colhando
If Dumerc doesn't come back and DMJ retires you can bring in some new blood off the waiver wire, give Orekova another look, pick up Georgia Tech's T. Marshall (if she doesn't go back to NY), maybe if healthy you could bring Whitney Hand in for a look, or Christina Foggie. Atlanta doesn't need a huge move IMO it just needs to feature Shoni more and pick up some additional support pieces. |
I like that lineup. And Sammy Prahalis would win the starting point guard spot within a month (probably sooner) |
Yeah, 'cause she's been doing so well in the WNBA… |
Sammy P. would probably have a better chance at somewhere that hasn't already rejected her (though the pickins are getting slim).
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Teams Prahalis hasn't been on yet are: Seattle, Chicago, San Antonio, Minnesota, Indiana, Tulsa, Connecticut & Washington.
Seattle has Bird & Johnson. Chicago has Sloot & Faulkner. Indiana has January & Clarendon. Tulsa has Diggins, Sims & Goodrich. Washington has Latta, Lawson & Hartley. Minnesota doesn't need her either. Connecticut currently has Bentley & Montgomery(though Montgomery will be a FA). Leaving San Antonio as her best option. Though I don't see her a someone to fit into Hughes' style.
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| Posted: 08/31/14 11:13 am ::: |
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| If Montgomery is a FA, I'd rather have her than Sammy as backup PG. The Sun also have Gray coming back from injury and two lottery picks.
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| Posted: 08/31/14 12:43 pm ::: |
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| Who are the FAs coming up next season for Atlanta to look at (trying to make sure this doesn't turn into a SP thread lol). Montgomery could be an interesting prospect as a backup PG. What shooters are out there? 3s that can shoot the 3?
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| Posted: 08/31/14 12:59 pm ::: |
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| Montgomery's not a free agent (barring an escape clause or divorce agreement). |
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Here is the stats for the top 20 3pt shooters. I don't think most of these would be available to us at any price we could pay. Maybe 2 (A. Montgomery, 4, O'Hea 10 Strcklen, or 15 Douglas might be available. We already have 16 (Hayes) and 20 (Shoni). Douglas has injury issues, also which clouds her future, and maybe 2 more years on her contract. A. Montgomery is not much of a threat to score (except when she plays the Dream) and so may not be much help, but who knows. She should be an RFA this year. Players 21-32 are likewise, mainly unavailable. Angel at No. 32 is less than 30% which in my book means you shouldn't be shooting them anyway.
Player Game PPG 3/gm 3ga 3GM 3GA 3%
1 erin_phillips Erin Phillips PHO 33 5.8 1.1 2.4 35 78 .449 29 69 .420
2 alex_montgomery Alex Montgomery NYL 34 5.3 0.8 1.9 28 65 .431 42 106 .396
3 jia_perkins Jia Perkins SAN 23 12.5 1.7 4.1 39 95 .411 68 147 .463
4 jenna_ohea Jenna O'Hea SEA 29 4.8 1.0 2.5 29 72 .403 22 45 .489
5 becky_hammon Becky Hammon SAN 32 8.3 1.5 3.7 47 118 .398 44 100 .440
6 kayla_mcbride * Kayla McBride SAN 34 13.0 1.7 4.2 57 144 .396 97 235 .413
7 kristi_toliver Kristi Toliver LAS 27 11.8 1.7 4.3 46 117 .393 69 143 .483
8 allie_quigley Allie Quigley CHI 34 11.2 1.2 3.1 41 106 .387 103 218 .472
9 karima_christmas Karima Christmas IND 34 6.9 0.8 2.1 27 70 .386 42 131 .321
10 shekinna_stricklen Shekinna Stricklen SEA 33 7.2 1.4 3.7 47 122 .385 39 78 .500
11 briann_january Briann January IND 31 10.3 1.2 3.0 36 94 .383 73 188 .388
12 marissa_coleman Marissa Coleman IND 34 8.9 1.3 3.3 43 113 .381 63 158 .399
13 ivory_latta Ivory Latta WAS 34 12.8 2.4 6.3 81 215 .377 59 139 .424
14 diana_taurasi Diana Taurasi PHO 33 16.2 1.9 5.2 62 170 .365 109 207 .527
15 katie_douglas Katie Douglas CON 32 13.2 2.0 5.6 64 178 .360 70 195 .359
16 tiffany_hayes Tiffany Hayes ATL 34 12.9 1.2 3.3 40 112 .357 103 196 .526
17 penny_taylor Penny Taylor PHO 33 10.5 0.9 2.5 30 84 .357 84 154 .545
18 odyssey_sims * Odyssey Sims TUL 34 16.7 1.4 4.0 47 136 .346 154 359 .429
19 sue_bird Sue Bird SEA 33 10.6 1.2 3.4 39 113 .345 90 221 .407
20 shoni_schimmel * Shoni Schimmel ATL 34 8.3 1.6 4.6 53 155 .342 51 123 .415
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| Posted: 08/31/14 1:35 pm ::: |
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| Well, technically Hammon is a free agent...
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| Posted: 08/31/14 3:58 pm ::: |
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| Jeannette Pohlen should be available if she's healthy if you need a 3pt shooter.
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Here is the stats for the top 20 3pt shooters. I don't think most of these would be available to us at any price we could pay. Maybe 2 (A. Montgomery, 4, O'Hea 10 Strcklen, or 15 Douglas might be available. We already have 16 (Hayes) and 20 (Shoni). Douglas has injury issues, also which clouds her future, and maybe 2 more years on her contract. A. Montgomery is not much of a threat to score (except when she plays the Dream) and so may not be much help, but who knows. She should be an RFA this year. Players 21-32 are likewise, mainly unavailable. Angel at No. 32 is less than 30% which in my book means you shouldn't be shooting them anyway.
Player Game PPG 3/gm 3ga 3GM 3GA 3%
1 erin_phillips Erin Phillips PHO 33 5.8 1.1 2.4 35 78 .449 29 69 .420
2 alex_montgomery Alex Montgomery NYL 34 5.3 0.8 1.9 28 65 .431 42 106 .396
3 jia_perkins Jia Perkins SAN 23 12.5 1.7 4.1 39 95 .411 68 147 .463
4 jenna_ohea Jenna O'Hea SEA 29 4.8 1.0 2.5 29 72 .403 22 45 .489
5 becky_hammon Becky Hammon SAN 32 8.3 1.5 3.7 47 118 .398 44 100 .440
6 kayla_mcbride * Kayla McBride SAN 34 13.0 1.7 4.2 57 144 .396 97 235 .413
7 kristi_toliver Kristi Toliver LAS 27 11.8 1.7 4.3 46 117 .393 69 143 .483
8 allie_quigley Allie Quigley CHI 34 11.2 1.2 3.1 41 106 .387 103 218 .472
9 karima_christmas Karima Christmas IND 34 6.9 0.8 2.1 27 70 .386 42 131 .321
10 shekinna_stricklen Shekinna Stricklen SEA 33 7.2 1.4 3.7 47 122 .385 39 78 .500
11 briann_january Briann January IND 31 10.3 1.2 3.0 36 94 .383 73 188 .388
12 marissa_coleman Marissa Coleman IND 34 8.9 1.3 3.3 43 113 .381 63 158 .399
13 ivory_latta Ivory Latta WAS 34 12.8 2.4 6.3 81 215 .377 59 139 .424
14 diana_taurasi Diana Taurasi PHO 33 16.2 1.9 5.2 62 170 .365 109 207 .527
15 katie_douglas Katie Douglas CON 32 13.2 2.0 5.6 64 178 .360 70 195 .359
16 tiffany_hayes Tiffany Hayes ATL 34 12.9 1.2 3.3 40 112 .357 103 196 .526
17 penny_taylor Penny Taylor PHO 33 10.5 0.9 2.5 30 84 .357 84 154 .545
18 odyssey_sims * Odyssey Sims TUL 34 16.7 1.4 4.0 47 136 .346 154 359 .429
19 sue_bird Sue Bird SEA 33 10.6 1.2 3.4 39 113 .345 90 221 .407
20 shoni_schimmel * Shoni Schimmel ATL 34 8.3 1.6 4.6 53 155 .342 51 123 .415 |
Randy,
Did you have to remind me that Angel took that last three against Chicago into a double team when Shoni was wide open in the corner?
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| Posted: 08/31/14 4:56 pm ::: |
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| Jeannette Pohlen should be available if she's healthy if you need a 3pt shooter. |
I suspect someone will give her another look. Hopefully she plays overseas this Winter.
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Did you have to remind me that Angel took that last three against Chicago into a double team when Shoni was wide open in the corner? |
It is one of Angel's problems - she thinks she's invincible and is the only ONE to make any kind of critical shot.
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| Posted: 08/31/14 7:18 pm ::: |
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| I think if a team changes the coach and GM like Phoenix did, you can add that back to a team Prahalis or someone else looking to make a roster can still go to.
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To paraphrase Mean Girls "Stop trying to make Prahalis happen. She's not going to happen."
Sorry, that was mean, it's just what I think every time I see her name. I'm sure she's fine. I would just rather have a more seasoned vet behind Shoni, and that may be Thomas. If Thomas stays, I'd love to see a 3 who can shoot the 3.
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| We do realize that Shoni has taken several last second 3s because we needed it and missed! Also, no one ever complains when again does come through...look at game 2, where is the criticism there? During the off season Angel needs to hire a shooting coach for 3 pointers (Angel mid range game is fine). Catchings did this a few years back and it help ALOT! Cooper is smart and knows he needs more consistent 3-point shooting from his current roster. How about we get Jaz is a shooting coach while she is here doing promo work (assuming she is not going overseas again)? I mean, Jaz CAN shoot but needs consistency. Instead of trying to integrate NEW pieces how about we fine tune what we have! Hayes needs to work on a mid range and she is complete. She gets to the goal with no problem, she shoots a good set 3, and plays good defense. Lyttle needs to get stronger AND faster, this should help her defense more. Erika needs a shooting coach, we want her on the block MOSTLY but to be able to hit that elbow shot would be deadly. Henry needs to watch more basketball. I LOVE Henry but she is still to raw. She doesnnt know how to move without the ball and IQ is not good enough yet. There are plenty of times when Henry comes into the game and messes up a pass because she isnt expecting it. Colhado just needs to be in better shape, I like her as our back-up. She has a sweet shot and physical but sometimes just look lost. DMJ would be a good keep for us, she will give us that fight we need and she is smart! For her to give Sancho some breaks and Angel some I think its a good pick up.
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| As for this Maya vs Angel talk...lets not get it twisted, the Maya you saw this year is NOT the Maya Moore from her rookie season. This is by far Maya best season. Maya came into the league and was good but NOT one on one nor could she defend nor could she penetrate to the basket (she couldnt dribble). Geno tried to work on Maya handles for the longest and complained that she doesnt drive enough while she was at Uconn. If you want to compare teams how about comparing Maya last yr at Uconn when she didnt have the all star cast with her against Angels last yr. Maya still had Faris and Hayes (who are both currently in the WNBA) while Angel had NO one but still made it to the NCAA championship! Yes, Maya has a winning record BUT she has also had a winning support cast. It is hard to change your mindset when you have ALWAYS been the only option most of your life (as Angel has been). Maya has learn how to trust and lead through life experience whereas Angel has had to do it by herself most of her career. There has been few seasons where ATL has had Angel, Erika, and Lyttle together for the whole season to gel (either injury and overseas commitment has split them up). This is one of the first seaons I have saw us healthy and together, so give it some time people. Maya is a great basketball player with probably the best temper that I have seen from a womens pro player BUT I will strongly disagree with the concept that she would of won a championship in ATL by now. I will take it a step further and even saw, I dont think they would of even made it to as many Championships games with Maya. Most of the championship games ATL went to they were short handed and Angel carried the team. This year is one of the first years I can truely say, Maya can carry a team by herself (she lost weight, got in better conditioning, and worked on her handles). Angel has been doing this most of her life however...
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Thomas is a RFA so she may not be doing anything for the Dream this off season. I recall when Harding became a FA, suddenly she was no longer doing the promo work in the off season. A shooting coach couldn't hurt anyone, but Thomas is less than 30% for her career as is Angel. Thomas' number dropped off a lot in the last two seasons (when the line was extended) and she shot even less than 35% from two this year. There may be little a shooting coach can really do with her. Angel will probably be in Turkey so she may not have time for a shooting coach. In both cases, I think they should take far fewer 3 point shots. If Thomas comes back, I could see her developing into a better shooting version of Arminti (though that's not saying much.) She can probably knock down some of those "I dare you to shoot" opportunities. Minti couldn't.
We do need more 3 point shooting, but I'd rather get someone who can shoot 35% or better. than count on improving players that have had years to get their shot down.
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(That ought to make for some interesting conversations when they talk about Angel.) Shoni is not on the list anywhere. Amanda Thompson is going to Israel.