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PostPosted: 10/14/13 10:08 am    ::: The best never Reply Reply with quote

Who are the best current players who haven't won a championship?



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PostPosted: 10/14/13 2:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess no championships means Becky Hammon isn't nearly as good as we thought ...



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PostPosted: 10/14/13 2:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
I guess no championships means Becky Hammon isn't nearly as good as we thought ...


She must not be making her teammates better Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 10/14/13 3:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The simple-minded idea of grading players strictly by championships won in a TEAM game has always struck me as being ridiculously overly simplistic.



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PostPosted: 10/14/13 3:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'll go with McCoughtry, because she's the best at getting her team there but she just can't get them over the hump. Minnesota and Seattle are just too humpy.



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PostPosted: 10/14/13 3:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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All go with McCoughtry, because she's the best at getting her team there but she just can't get them over the hump. Minnesota and Seattle are just too humpy.


Interesting. I doubt many people think Angel is better than Candy P.



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PostPosted: 10/14/13 5:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jap wrote:
The simple-minded idea of grading players strictly by championships won in a TEAM game has always struck me as being ridiculously overly simplistic.


Yep, I guess Dupree and Parker must be just average players too..



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PostPosted: 10/14/13 6:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I guess no championships means Becky Hammon isn't nearly as good as we thought ...


Maybe some players just need their Dwayne Wade to get a ring.
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PostPosted: 10/14/13 6:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
I guess no championships means Becky Hammon isn't nearly as good as we thought ...


Maybe some players just need their Dwayne Wade to get a ring.
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PostPosted: 10/14/13 6:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I guess no championships means Becky Hammon isn't nearly as good as we thought ...


...or Sylvia Fowles...or Angel McCoughtry...or Candace Parker...or Candice Dupree...or...

Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 10/14/13 7:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Actually, we had a similar discussion like this last year...(click below)

http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?p=1099571


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PostPosted: 10/14/13 11:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Obviously anything can happen, but with Minnesota as good as they are, PX on the rise with Griner and the possible return of a healthy Taylor, and the emergence of Chicago and a healthy Seattle I think it is going to be hard for Hammon and Young or Angel to get there 'ship in the next couple of years without a major upgrade on their teams or a trade to another team. Parker, Dupree and Fowles have a much better chance because their teams are right there but they still have to get past Minnesota and Seattle. I'm glad Catchings got hers last year because while Indiana is good it is really going to be an uphill battle for them for the next few years against the top teams.


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PostPosted: 12/11/13 2:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.swishappeal.com/2013/12/11/5200678/the-best-never

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Only one other player in league history (Natalie Williams) has three First Team All WNBA mentions without a title. No one has four.



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PostPosted: 09/13/14 7:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09/13/14 7:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There are two MVPs to never win a title: Parker and Charles. Parker has won the award twice. At least the WNBA thinks she is the best never.


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PostPosted: 09/13/14 7:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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There are two MVPs to never win a title: Parker and Charles. Parker has won the award twice. At least the WNBA thinks she is the best never.


Parker is also the only player in WNBA history to make All WNBA four times without winning a championship.



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PostPosted: 09/13/14 10:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't know why the w is so caught up on her. She is a good player but to be honest I get tired of seeing some article about her everytime I go to the .com. Even when her team was swept out of the playoffs in the 1st round again there was an article about her on the website. I am not faulting her for all this attention but the league seems to have gone overboard with their obsession.


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PostPosted: 09/14/14 4:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bballgrl wrote:
I don't know why the w is so caught up on her. She is a good player but to be honest I get tired of seeing some article about her everytime I go to the .com. Even when her team was swept out of the playoffs in the 1st round again there was an article about her on the website. I am not faulting her for all this attention but the league seems to have gone overboard with their obsession.


She's their poster market child. Who else is gonna do it?? BG?? Diggins??? No. Candace is a WNBA fans favorite but she has had a ton of adversity and is still struggling. She shows the young girls out there that you can follow your dreams and be a mom too. Parker is willing to put herself out there but still pull back.

The WNBA uses her for specific things, just like how they practically glued BG to the LGBT Pride campaigns. That's exactly why every chance they get, they are talking about BG's engagement.

Until CP3 wins a ring, her story will be constantly reiterated to the viewing audience because she's had the back to back injuries and the unexpected pregnancy, which have effected her career.



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PostPosted: 10/22/14 9:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.swishappeal.com/2014/10/22/7038495/the-best-never

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Not sure what can be gleaned from this other than the Sparks should be a lot better than they are.



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PostPosted: 10/22/16 11:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Now it's pretty clearly Angel, Tina or Delle Donne as the best player with no title. But it demonstrates when Nneka went from being a very good player to a star player and Toliver had a pretty consistent season that Parker had the help she needed to win it. None of the above 3 has the same degree of support. Hopefully Piph's return will get the Libs closer.

To Parker's credit, she also willed the game 5 victory with her intensity level, especially on the glass, where she not only had a lot of rebounds but also several putbacks.



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poor Angel. I wonder when she's a UFA, if she'll try to go to a championship type team(New York? Chicago?)?



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Not sure she and Laimbeer would coexist very well as her style of play is not a real good fit with a post-heavy offense. She would have to be willing to adjust her halfcourt game somewhat to open things up for Tina. On the flip side, they have played together overseas before, albeit in a system that probably had Angel as more of a primary player. But a player of Angel's talent level is basically exactly what the Liberty could use to take a significant step forward, if she were willing to be a 1B type of player in a different style of play than she is used to. I'd consider that a big if.

Moving forward with their young players and already being close to the cap this past year, getting a star player via free agency might be a challenge, though I guess you'll have Wright's contract off the books in the near future.



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PostPosted: 10/22/16 12:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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poor Angel. I wonder when she's a UFA, if she'll try to go to a championship type team(New York? Chicago?)?


I doubt it. She's opened a business in Atlanta and her significant other is closely tied to the city.



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PostPosted: 10/23/16 9:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What's the USA column under All Star?
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PostPosted: 10/23/16 9:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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What's the USA column under All Star?


That's for The Game at Radio City in 2004 and the Stars at the Sun in 2010, when we had WNBA All Star teams play against Team USA.



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PostPosted: 10/23/16 10:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tina Charles, NY (could be in next 2-3 years)
Angel McCoughtry, ATL (could be in next 3-4 years)
Elena Delle Donne, CHI (could be in next 3-4 years)
Breanna Stewart, SEA (I think it will be several years for her)
Skylar Diggins, DAL (Also think it will be several years for her)


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Is MVP shares something you concocted? What's the formula?



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PostPosted: 10/23/16 11:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Is MVP shares something you concocted? What's the formula?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Award_share

The WNBA list on this page appears to be several years out of date



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PostPosted: 10/04/17 9:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

McCoughtry might be looking to go to a title contender in 2018. Just saying...



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PostPosted: 10/05/17 12:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Clearly Angel has to join Charles in NY.


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Clearly Angel has to join Charles in NY.


Lemme guess.... Stokes, Rogers, and #10



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Shades wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Clearly Angel has to join Charles in NY.


Lemme guess.... Stokes, Rogers, and #10

The Lynx gave them stokes and rogers for nothing Wink
Angel plays so well with Maya....hmmm


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Clearly Angel has to join Charles in NY.


Lemme guess.... Stokes, Rogers, and #10


Yeah that would be my offer. Not bad.

But I do not believe Angel has any interest in leaving Atlanta, her family and new business are there. If Atlanta brought in one more star level player to add to Angel, Hayes, Sykes, E. Wil, Dantas and hopefully the good version of Boyette they are just as likely to be as good next season as anyone not named the Sparks or Lynx.


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PostPosted: 10/05/17 7:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Clearly Angel has to join Charles in NY.


Or Charles should come to Atlanta



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pilight wrote:
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Clearly Angel has to join Charles in NY.


Or Charles should come to Atlanta


I would never trade Charles (and I doubt Angel leaves Atl) but what would the hypothetical Atl offer be?

Hayes and E. Will? They need more than that. I'm not sure there is a correct 3rd player to add to the mix. Boyette, Sykes or Holmes would be the most realistic but I still don't think its the right balance. Maybe if Atl had its lottery pick then Hayes, E. Will and lottery pick would seem about right, but NY needs another franchise player to add Charles and therefor simply can't afford to make that move.

So send Angel to NY.


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Why would Atlanta do that? And what on earth does New York have to offer, that Atlanta would take back in a trade? Unless they're giving up Charles, the only thing that New York has to offer Atlanta for McCoughtry is lesser versions of players they already have.



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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't, but come on, Angel and Charles deserve a 'ship, hooking up would be great.

Plus there was a rumor that Atl was going to trade Angel last year for Sims and #3 to Dallas. There's never been a rumor about NY trading Charles, plus Charles demanded a trade to NY in the first place.

But yes I highly doubt Atl would trade Angel, and especially not to NY for Stokes, Rodgers and #10 which is pretty much the best NY could do.


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Tina ain't leaving NY.



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