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Who will be the high scorer for the USA? |
Augustus |
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4% |
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Bird |
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0% |
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Cash |
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0% |
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Catchings |
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0% |
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Charles |
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18% |
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Fowles |
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0% |
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Jones |
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0% |
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McCoughtry |
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27% |
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Moore |
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4% |
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Parker |
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4% |
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Taurasi |
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22% |
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Whalen |
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18% |
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bballfan2005
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cthskzfn
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Michelle89
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bballfan2005
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vanyogan
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Posted: 08/05/12 8:18 pm ::: |
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Michelle89 wrote: |
luvDhoops wrote: |
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luvDhoops wrote: |
Tweet from CP's brother
Marcus Parker @ Marcus_ParkerFL
How long before Geno starts 5 UConn players? Sorry but its getting ridiculous.
Ooooops!
Nepotism is always cool when it's in your family. |
Tbh USA starting line-up started playing better when they made the switch and put Maya instead of Parker to bring more speed to the starting 5 and more energy. And i think Parker needed the kick under the butt |
This may be true, but I listened to the broadcast this morning and heard whoever it was say that Geno said he was now going to start limiting the rotations and ending the mass substitutions for the first time. Then I looked up and saw 4 players from Uconn and went, well alrighty then, lol. |
I doubt that it will have an effect on the minutes of Parker or Whalen, McCougtry and Augustus for that matter. And if Fowles gets better she will get more minutes as well. Maybe he just doesnt going to bring them in all at the same time(hockey sub) like he has done til so far. Wich i can understand for the semi-final and final game.
My guess Whalen and MCoughtry sub at around 5-4 min mark. Then Parker and Augustus(for DT at around 3,5 min mark) |
Whalen and her crew complement Bird and her crew perfectly. The first crew goes hard, then the whalen crew comes in, turns up the defense and rins the legs out from under em.
It's not fair, it's down right cruel. Poor China played their asses off in the first quarter and then the next wave comes in runs them off the floor.
I do think it's wise to not do mass substitutions necessarily just to split minutes. You put in rotations based on what it is you want to do at the time. |
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PhillyCat
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Posted: 08/05/12 10:28 pm ::: |
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I think there are two things going on with Parker not starting, both were mentioned by Geno in his post-game comments. The first point is that Catchings hasn't really been shooting that well from the perimeter and defenses have not been honoring her outside shot. The result has been less room for the post players to operate in the paint. Geno inserted Maya to have a better outside threat (not to mention the incredible energy and rebounding she's brought). That meant that either Catch or Parker had to sit. Geno chose to sit Parker (better choice imo) which has the added bonus of pissing Parker off, which Geno also acknowledged (and is okay with).
From Geno:
On the second straight game starting Maya and Candace coming off the bench:
Well, Ive always liked having three shooters in the line-up to start the game. And by having Sue (Bird) and Dee (Diana Taurasi) and Maya (Moore), weve got three great three-point shootersso it spreads the defense out and it allows Tamika (Catchings) and Tina (Charles) to start getting more single coverage inside. Having Candace come off the bench, you saw what she did today. When she came in off the bench she changed the game completely, because whoever shes playing against is tired and whoever the other team brings in isnt as good as her. So shes got a huge advantage in that situation. And maybe shes pissed at me cause Im not starting her and thats why shes playing the way she does, ya know what, Im okay with that.
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mercfan3
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PhillyCat
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Posted: 08/05/12 11:10 pm ::: |
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As much as I agree that the starting lineup has played better with Maya in and Candace out, I think it would play even better with Fowles in and Tina out.
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Fowles hasn't been healthy. Plus, there's been nothing wrong with the way Tina Charles has played in these Olympics. We may be reaching the point of over-analyzing who starts and who doesn't. The team won today by 40+ points. Fowles will be needed if the team meets Australia and I'm sure she'll get her minutes.
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ChicagoAnnie
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jaye
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Posted: 08/06/12 9:24 am ::: |
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a lot of bullshit excuses being made for geno... not the mention the ones' being made by geno himself.... geno is showing favorites pure and simple... the fact that they are winning doesn't change that....
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ucdt3
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Posted: 08/06/12 10:08 am ::: |
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jaye wrote: |
a lot of bullshit excuses being made for geno... not the mention the ones' being made by geno himself.... geno is showing favorites pure and simple... the fact that they are winning doesn't change that.... |
you're so typical you're not even worth getting into a discussion with anymore. why don't you go find your rock, it misses you underneath it. |
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norwester
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Posted: 08/06/12 11:02 am ::: |
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jaye wrote: |
a lot of bullshit excuses being made for geno... not the mention the ones' being made by geno himself.... geno is showing favorites pure and simple... the fact that they are winning doesn't change that.... |
Even if he is (which he isn't), who cares? I don't hear the players complaining. Just all the looky loos.
TBH, I agree with the decision to bench Candace, anyway. She needs to not take the ball down the court like a guard. And she needs to stop shooting jump shots. That's not her role on this team. We don't need a jack of all trades, because we practically have specialists at each position.
When she sticks to the low post, she's been dominant. And to be fair, no matter what mistakes she's making on court offensively, her rebounding has been great, and her energy coming off the bench has been good as well. She has such talent, that maybe the expectations of her are unfair. But there you go. Life is unfair. She needs to stop losing focus.
The best players need a strong coach to force them to do what will make them better. AD had to force LJ into the low block in 2003, and that seemed to turn out well. Maybe this will actually be a helpful learning experience for Candace. Because most of the time she's been in the WNBA, she hasn't had the best coaching. We can argue whether Geno is a good coach or not (though I'm not interested in doing so, because the anti-UConn/Geno lot seem to be unable to concede that the other side might also have meritorious arguments based on actual observations and historical precedent), but he does seem to get results.
I loved how the US took it up a notch this game. I was a little concerned (if that's not too strong a word) about our lethargy versus Turkey, but now I'm feeling more confident.
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RavenDog
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Posted: 08/06/12 11:20 am ::: |
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All the USA players are talented. USA wins with whoever Geno plays. He's not big on talented prima donnas.
You pay attention, you put out, you play team basketball, you play...
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jmpenn90
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Posted: 08/06/12 12:19 pm ::: |
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To set the record for assists 23 of the 33 assists were from non Conn players so who is playing team ball? Also this starting line up got off to a bad start, the game changed with Candace and Angel.
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dtsnms
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Posted: 08/06/12 12:32 pm ::: |
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I'm just not getting this, other than some people think starting is the biggest thing in the world. Has anybody looked at the total minutes played?
1. Bird - 126 (I don't think anyone is surprised or should complain about that)
2. Taurasi - 113 (Not a big surprise, only people complaining are the ones mad about her sitting)
3. Charles - 111 (No Fowles for 2 games, led team in scoring early on, leads in rebounding overall, a true center)
4. (tie) Catchings/Whalen - 94 (can't complain there I'd say)
5. (tie) Parker/Augustus - 93 (one minute less than Catchings/Whalen).
So essentially there are three players with more time really than Parker. Two of which are the starting guards, and the third is the center who didn't have her regular backup due to injury. Parker has played the same as Catchings, Whalen and Augustus, and more minutes than Moore and McCoughtry.
She was phenomenal off the bench vs China, clearly her best game, especially at the head of the 3/4 court press, when she was in with Fowles (allowing her to play the 4). She is rebounding great, but she is shooting only 43%, second lowest on the team.
She is a tremendous player, maybe most talented on the team. However in some cases, its who you play with that makes things most effective for the team. Personally, I think that combo of Parker/Fowles/Whalen/McCoughtry/Augustus was better than the unit with Parker/Charles/Bird/Taurasi/Catchings. I also think that Moore has played better with the Bird/Taurasi unit as well.
Is it really that big a deal who starts? I think the team's performance yesterday really showed the best combos.
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luvDhoops
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Posted: 08/06/12 12:32 pm ::: |
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norwester wrote: |
TBH, I agree with the decision to bench Candace, anyway. She needs to not take the ball down the court like a guard. And she needs to stop shooting jump shots. That's not her role on this team. We don't need a jack of all trades, because we practically have specialists at each position. |
Well then she shouldn't have been picked for the team. You can't tell someone who's been doing something their entire career, the thing that wins, that's won them games, that's made them who they are "oh, all that stuff you're use to doing, we need you to turn it off now." It's in their DNA. It's how she plays. I wouldn't no more tell her to quit doing that, then I'd tell Catchings to quit playing with reckless abandon because she's likely to kill one of her own teammates. It's how she plays. It's what's made her Catchings.
Maybe Geno doesn't like how Parker plays. That being the case, why select a player and try to tell them to change the entire way they play? Candace catches rebounds and pushes it up court. She's done this since high school. It's led to easy layins, it's led to easy assists, likewise it's led to turnovers as well. You take the good with the bad. Most of the time, it leads to good things because it pushes tempo. You have a big who can catch a rebound and then lead the break, you're likely to get totally ahead of any defense that has time to set up.
But whatever. This is probably her last Olympics anyway. Just get the gold.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/06/12 12:40 pm ::: |
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jaye wrote: |
a lot of bullshit excuses being made for geno... not the mention the ones' being made by geno himself.... geno is showing favorites pure and simple... the fact that they are winning doesn't change that.... |
I agree that he favors winning.
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