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PostPosted: 07/16/12 7:23 pm    ::: Women's Gymnastics Reply Reply with quote

The FIG has released the list of the gymnast who will compete in London.

Argentina
Valeria Pereyra

Australia
Georgia Bonora
Ashleigh Brennan
Emily Little
Larrissa Miller
Lauren Mitchell

Austria
Barbara Gasser

Belgium
Gaelle Mys

Belarus
Nastassia Marachkouskaya

Brazil
Lais da Silva Souza
Daiane Dos Santos
Bruna Kuroiwa Yamamoto Leal
Daniele Matias Hypolito
Adrian Geovana Nunes Gomes

Bulgaria
Ralitsa Mileva

Canada
Elsabeth Black
Victoria Moors
Dominique Pegg
Brittany Rogers
Kristina Vaculik

Chile
Simona Castro Lazo

China
Deng Lin Lin
He Kexin
Huang Qiushaung
Sui Lu
Yao Jinnan

Colombia
Jessica Gil Ortiz

Croatia
Tina Erceg

Czech Republic
Kristyna Palesova

Dominican Republic
Yamilet Pena Abreu

Egypt
Sherine Ahmed
Salma Mahmoud El Said Mohame

Spain
Maria Paula Vargas

Finland
Annika Urvikko

France
Mira Boumejmajen
Youna Dufournet
Anne Kuhm
Aurelie Malaussena
Sophia Serseri

Great Britain
Imogen Cairns
Jennifer Pinches
Rebecca Tunney
Elizabeth Tweddle
Hannah Whelan

Germany
Janine Berger
Kim Bui
Oksana Chusovitina
Nadine Jarosch
Elisabeth Seitz

Greece
Vasiliki Millousi

Guatemala
Ana Sofia Gomez Porras

Hong Kong
Hiu Ying Angel Wong

Hungry
Dorina Boczogo

Israel
Valeriia Maksiuta

Italy
Francesca Deagostini
Erika Fasana
Carlotta Ferlito
Vanessa Ferrari
Elisabetta Preziosa

Japan
Yu Minobe
Yuko Shintake
Rie Tanaka
Asuka Teramoto
Koko Tsurumi

Kazakhstan
Moldir Azimbay

Korea
Seonmi Heo

Lithuania
Laura Svilpaite

Mexico
Elsa Garcia Rodriguez Blancas

Netherlands
Celine Van Gerner

Poland
Marta Pihan-Kulesza

Portugal
Zoi Mafalda Marques de Lima

Puerto Rico
Lorena Quinones Moreno

Romania
Diana Laura Bulimar
Diana Maria Chelaru
Larisa Andreea Iordache
Sandra Raluca Izbasa
Catalina Ponor

Russa
Kseniia Afanaseva
Anastasia Grishina
Victoria Komova
Aliya Mustafina
Maria Paseka

Singapore
Heem Wei Lim Sin

Slovenia
Sasa Golob

Switzerland
Giulia Steingruber

Slovakia
Maria Homolova

Sweeden
Jonna Adlerteg

Turkey
Goksu Uctas

Ukraine
Nataliya Kononenko

United States
Gabrielle Douglas
McKayla Maroney
Alexandra Raisman
Kyla Ross
Jordyn Wieber

Uzbekistan
Luiza Galiulina

Venezuela
Jessica Lopez

Vietnam
Thi Ngan Thuong
Thi Ha thanh

http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/vsite/vcontent/content/transnews/0,10869,5187-187975-19728-49291-316937-20935-5233-layout210-205197-news-item,00.html

http://www.fig-docs.com/Media/London/LON%202012%20OG%20participants%20WAG%20for%20web%20new.pdf



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PostPosted: 07/19/12 8:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gabby Douglas will be interviewed on Rock Center tonight)Fri) at 10pm on NBC.


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PostPosted: 07/25/12 12:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Qualifications starts on Sunday July 29. (times posted are Pacific time)

1:30am Subdivision 1
Mixed Group 2: Vault
Mixed Group 6: Uneven Bars
Mixed Group 1: Balance Beam
Brazil: Floor Exercise

3:15am Subdivision 2
Mixed Group 4: Vault
Italy: Uneven Bars
Mixed Group 3: Balance Beam
Australia: Floor Exercise

6:45am Subdivision 3
USA: Vault
Canada: Uneven Bars
Great Britain: Balance Beam
France: Floor Exercise

8:30am Subdivision 4
Mixed Group 7: Vault
Germany: Uneven Bars
China: Balance Beam
Russia: Floor Exercise

102pm Subdivision 5
Mixed Group 5: Vault
Japan: Uneven Bars
Mixed Group 8: Balance Beam
Romania: Floor Exercise



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PostPosted: 07/27/12 1:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

McKayla Maroney will be limited to just vault after aggravating a broken toe, her right big toe, she originally broke it in May and on Thursday she split the bone even further on a beam dismount during training. She is the defending World Champion on vault and will bring in a big score, but with her being limited to one event it can put more pressure on the other four athletes, she was most likely going to compete on vault and floor, she finished 1st and 5th at Olympic Trials on each event, in prelims, which changes things, but she probably would have only done vault in team finals, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal, but she could stepped in on balance beam and floor if needed.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-blogs/gymnastics/mckayla-maroney-to-compete-with-broken-toe.html



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 3:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Here is a link to keep track of scores of qualification round.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/gymnastics/event/women-qualification/index.html

Live streams for each session are available online, you can either watch an individual event or the main stream.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/online-listings/sport=gymnastics/index.html



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 5:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

***Spoiler Alert, results of subdivision 1 are listed below***



Subdivision 1 has been completed, the teams standings and individual standings are below, top 5 for all around and individual events will be listed for each.

Team:
1. Brazil 161.295

All Around:
1. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Guatemala 56.132
2. Gaelle Mys, Belgium 53.698
3. Vasiliki Millousi, Greece 53.524
4. Bruna Kuroiwa Yamamoto Leal, Brazil 52.765
5. Daniele Matias Hypolito, Brazil 52.732

Vault:
1. Yamilet Pena Abreu, Dominican Republic 14.699
2. Hiu Ying Angel Wong, Hong Kong 13.533
3. Dorina Boczogo, Hungary 12.916

Uneven Bars:
1. Kristyna Palesova, Czech Republic 14.133
2. Jonna Adlerteg, Sweden 13.933
3. Vasiliki Millousi, Greece 13.425
4. Valeria Pereyra, Argentina 13.266
4. Gaelle Mys, Belgium 13.266

Balance Beam:
1. Vasiliki Millousi, Greece 14.366
2. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Guatemala 14.333
3. Daniele Matias Hypolito, Brazil 14.166
4. Gaelle Mys, Belgium 13.733
5. Ethiene Christina Gonser Franco, Brazil 13.000

Floor:
1. Daiane dos Santos, Brazil 14.166
2. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Argentina 14.000
3. Elsa Garcia Rodriguez Blancas, Mexico 13.733
4. Bruna Kuriowa Yamamoto Leal, Brazil 13.433
5. Seonmi Heo, Korea 13.233



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 6:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

***Spoiler Alert, results after subdivision 2 are listed below***



Subdivision 2 has been completed, the teams standings and individual standings are below, top 8 for all around and individual events will be listed for each.

Team:
1. Italy 168.397
2. Australia 166.721
3. Brazil 161.295

All Around:
1. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 57.932
2. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Guatemala 56.132
3. Carlotta Ferlito, Italy 55.500
4. Giulia Steingruber, Switzerland 54.715
5. Emily Little, Australia 54.498
6. Marta Pihan-Kulesza, Poland 54.365
7. Ashleigh Brennan, Australia 54.232
8. Erika Fasana, Italy 53.965

Vault:
1. Yamilet Pena Abreu, Dominican Republic 14.699
2. Giulia Steingruber, Switzerland 13.924
3. Hiu Ying Angel Wong, Hong Kong 13.533
4. Tina Erceg, Croatia 13.516
5. Zoi Mafalda Marques de Lima, Portugal 13.316
6. Valeriia Maksiuta, Israel 13.300
7. Dorina Boczogo, Hungary 12.916

Uneven Bars:
1. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.233
2. Kristyna Palesova, Czech Republic 14.133
3. Marta Pihan-Kulesza, Poland 14.033
4. Larrissa Miller, Australia 14.025
5. Jonna Adlerteg, Sweden 13.933
6. Erika Fasana, Italy 13.666
7. Emily Little, Australia 13.433
8. Nataliya Kononenko, Ukraine 13.433

Balance Beam:
1. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.433
2. Carlotta Ferlito, Italy 14.425
3. Vasiliki Millousi, Greece 14.366
4. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Guatemala 14.333
5. Lauren Mitchell, Australia 14.300
6. Daniele Matias Hypolito, Brazil 14.166
7. Giulia Steingruber, Switzerland 13.766
8. Gaelle Mys, Belgium 13.733

Floor:
1. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.900
2. Lauren Mitchell, Australia 14.833
3. Marta Pihan-Kulesza, Poland 14.333
4. Ashleigh Brennan, Australia 14.200
5. Daiane dos Santos, Brazil 14.166
6. Erika Fasana, Italy 14.033
7. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Argentina 14.000
8. Carlotta Ferlito, Italy 13.900



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 8:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luiza Galiulina of Uzbekistan suspended for positive drug test

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19038114



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 10:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

*SPOILER IF YOU'RE AMERICAN AND THEY HAVEN'T SHOWN THIS YET*












































Big shock, as Jordyn Wieber fails to make the top two among Americans in qualifying, and hence won't compete in the all-around final. Now for the period where we wait and see if either of the Americans who did qualify come down with an 'injury' to let her in...



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 10:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
*SPOILER IF YOU'RE AMERICAN AND THEY HAVEN'T SHOWN THIS YET*












































Big shock, as Jordyn Wieber fails to make the top two among Americans in qualifying, and hence won't compete in the all-around final. Now for the period where we wait and see if either of the Americans who did qualify come down with an 'injury' to let her in...


A substitution can be made if Jordyn finishes in the top 24, without an "injury" though I would be surprised if Marta Karolyi made a substitution.



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 10:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

***Spoiler Alert, results after subdivision 3 are listed below***



Subdivision 3 has been completed, the teams standings and individual standings are below, top 8 for all around and individual events will be listed for each.

Team:
1. USA 181.863
2. Great Britain 170.656
3. Italy 168.397
4. Canada 167.696
5. Australia 166.721
6. France 164.796
7. Brazil 161.295

All Around:
1. Aly Raisman, USA 60.391
2. Gabby Douglas, USA 60.265
3. Jordyn Wieber, USA 60.032
4. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 57.932
5. Rebecca Tunney, Great Britain 56.391
6. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Guatemala 56.132
7. Hannah Whelan, Great Britain 55.699
8. Dominique Pegg, Canada 55.657

Vault:
1. McKayla Maroney, USA 15.800
2. Yamilet Pena Abreu, Dominican Republic 14.699
3. Brittany Rogers, Canada 14.483
4. Elsabeth Black, Canada 14.366
5. Giulia Steingruber, Switzerland 13.924
6. Kristina Vaculik, Canada 13.800
7. Hiu Ying Angel Wong, Hong Kong 13.533
8. Tina Erceg, Croatia 13.516

Uneven Bars:
1. Beth Tweddle, Great Britain 16.133
2. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.333
3. Kyla Ross, USA 14.866
4. Jordyn Wieber, USA 14.833
5. Rebecca Tunney, Great Britain 14.825
6. Brittany Rogers, Canada 14.500
7. Youna Dufournet, France 14.500
8. Kristina Vaculick, Canada 14.366

Balance Beam:
1. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.266
2. Aly Raisman, USA 15.100
3. Kyla Ross, USA 15.075
4. Jordyn Wieber, USA 14.700
5. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.433
6. Carlotta Ferlito, Italy 14.425
7. Vasiliki Millousi, Greece 14.366
8. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Guatemala 14.333

Floor:
1. Aly Raisman, USA 15.325
2. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.900
3. Lauren Mitchell, Australia 14.833
4. Jordyn Wieber, USA 14.666
5. Beth Tweddle, Great Britain 14.433
6. Marta Pihan-Kulesza, Poland 14.333
7. Dominique Pegg, Canada 14.233
8. Elsabeth Black, Canada 14.233



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 10:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Love me some Beth Tweddle. That bars routine is insane, and if she hits it she's got every chance to take home gold in the individual. Good performance from our whole team, actually, following in the guys' footsteps from yesterday.



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 11:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I miss the old scoring format in gymnastics.


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PostPosted: 07/29/12 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

***Spoiler Alert, results after subdivision 4 are listed below***



Subdivision 4 has been completed, the teams standings and individual standings are below, top 8 for all around and individual events will be listed for each.

Team:
1. USA 181.863
2. Russia 180.429
3. China 176.637
4. Great Britain 170.656
5. Italy 168.397
6. Canada 167.696
7. Germany 167.331
8. Australia 166.721

All Around:
1. Viktoria Komova, Russia 60.632
2. Aly Raisman, USA 60.391
3. Gabby Douglas, USA 60.265
4. Jordyn Wieber, USA 60.032
5. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 59.966
6. Deng Linlin, China 57.998
7. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 57.932
8. Huang Qiushuang, China 57.707

Vault:
1. McKayla Maroney, USA 15.800
2. Maria Paseka, Russia 15.049
3. Oksana Chusovitina, Germany 14.808
4. Yamilet Pena Abreu, Dominican Republic 14.699
5. Janine Berger, Germany 14.483
6. Brittany Rogers, Canada 14.483
7. Elsabeth Black, Canada 14.366
8. Giulia Steingruber, Switzerland 13.924

Uneven Bars:
1. Beth Tweddle, Great Britain 16.133
2. He Kexin, China 15.966
3. Viktoria Komova, Russia 15.833
4. Yao Jinnan, China 15.766
5. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 15.700
6. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.333
7. Huang Qiushuang, China 15.266
8. Elisabeth Seitz, Germany 15.166

Balance Beam:
1. Sui Lu, China 15.400
2. Viktoria Komova, Russia 15.266
3. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.266
4. Deng Linlin, China 15.166
5. Aly Raisman, USA 15.100
6. Kyla Ross, USA 15.075
7. Ksenia Afanasyeva, Russia 15.066
8. Anastasia Grishina, Russia 14.900

Floor:
1. Aly Raisman, USA 15.325
2. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.900
3. Ksenia Afanasyeva, Russia 14.833
4. Lauren Mitchell, Australia 14.833
5. Jordyn Wieber, USA 14.666
6. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 14.433
7. Beth Tweddle, Great Britain 14.433
8. Marta Pihan-Kulesza, Poland 14.333



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 12:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Love me some Beth Tweddle. That bars routine is insane, and if she hits it she's got every chance to take home gold in the individual. Good performance from our whole team, actually, following in the guys' footsteps from yesterday.


Beth did awesome, I'm glad they showed her routine on the stream and I'm happy she hit, she should battle for gold if she hits like she did today.



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 5:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GEF34 wrote:
***Spoiler Alert, results after subdivision 4 are listed below***



Subdivision 4 has been completed, the teams standings and individual standings are below, top 8 for all around and individual events will be listed for each.

Team:
1. USA 181.863
2. Russia 180.429
3. China 176.637
4. Great Britain 170.656
5. Italy 168.397
6. Canada 167.696
7. Germany 167.331
8. Australia 166.721

All Around:
1. Viktoria Komova, Russia 60.632
2. Aly Raisman, USA 60.391
3. Gabby Douglas, USA 60.265
4. Jordyn Wieber, USA 60.032
5. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 59.966
6. Deng Linlin, China 57.998
7. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 57.932
8. Huang Qiushuang, China 57.707

Vault:
1. McKayla Maroney, USA 15.800
2. Maria Paseka, Russia 15.049
3. Oksana Chusovitina, Germany 14.808
4. Yamilet Pena Abreu, Dominican Republic 14.699
5. Janine Berger, Germany 14.483
6. Brittany Rogers, Canada 14.483
7. Elsabeth Black, Canada 14.366
8. Giulia Steingruber, Switzerland 13.924

Uneven Bars:
1. Beth Tweddle, Great Britain 16.133
2. He Kexin, China 15.966
3. Viktoria Komova, Russia 15.833
4. Yao Jinnan, China 15.766
5. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 15.700
6. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.333
7. Huang Qiushuang, China 15.266
8. Elisabeth Seitz, Germany 15.166

Balance Beam:
1. Sui Lu, China 15.400
2. Viktoria Komova, Russia 15.266
3. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.266
4. Deng Linlin, China 15.166
5. Aly Raisman, USA 15.100
6. Kyla Ross, USA 15.075
7. Ksenia Afanasyeva, Russia 15.066
8. Anastasia Grishina, Russia 14.900

Floor:
1. Aly Raisman, USA 15.325
2. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.900
3. Ksenia Afanasyeva, Russia 14.833
4. Lauren Mitchell, Australia 14.833
5. Jordyn Wieber, USA 14.666
6. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 14.433
7. Beth Tweddle, Great Britain 14.433
8. Marta Pihan-Kulesza, Poland 14.333



Wow so no Romania in the finals? Shocked

I think it's unfair and retarded to only let 2 women from the same country in the all around finals, if you qualify it shouldn't matter.


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PostPosted: 07/29/12 6:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

blaase22 wrote:
Wow so no Romania in the finals? Shocked

They were in the fifth subdivision that GEF34 hasn't got to yet. Romania in 4th and Japan in 6th pushed Germany and Australia out of the Team Final.



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***Spoiler Alert, final results after subdivision 5 are listed below***



Subdivision 5 has been completed, the teams standings and individual standings. The top 8 teams advance to the finals, top 24 for all around and and top 8 for individual events, for individual events the 2 per country rule is in effect, so the standings below will reflect that, also substitutions can be made (a gymnast who has also qualified in the top 8 or 24 for all around can be substituted for a teammate who finished higher, so the standings listed below may not be the exact line-up for all around and event finals.

Team:
1. USA 181.863
2. Russia 180.429
3. China 176.637
4. Romania 176.264
5. Great Britain 170.656
6. Japan 170.196
7. Italy 168.397
8. Canada 167.696

All Around:
1. Viktoria Komova, Russia 60.632
2. Aly Raisman, USA 60.391
3. Gabby Douglas, USA 60.265
4. Jordyn Wieber, USA 60.032 (didn't qualify, 3rd American gymnast)
5. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 59.966
6. Deng Linlin, China 57.998
7. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 57.932
8. Asuka Teramoto, Japan 57.865
9. Larisa Iordache, Romania 57.800
10. Huang Qiushuang, China 57.707
11. Sandra Izbasa, Romania 57.532
12. Anastasia Grishina, Russia 57.332 (didn't qualify, 3rd Russian gymnast)
13. Jessica Lopez, Venezuela 56.665
14. Elisabeth Seitz, Germany 56.466
15. Rebecca Tunney, Great Britain 56.391
16. Ana Sofia Gomez Porras, Guatemala 56.132
17. Hannah Whelan, Great Britain 55.699
18. Dominique Pegg, Canada 55.657
19. Celine van Gerner, Netherlands 55.632
20. Carlotta Ferlito, Italy 55.500
21. Jennifer Pinches, Great Britain 55.266 (didn't qualify, 3rd British gymnast)
22. Yao Jinnan, China 54.798 (didn't qualify, 3rd Chinese gymnast)
23. Giulie Steingruber, Switzerland 54.715
24. Emily Little, Australia 54.498
25. Aurelie Malaussena, France 54.399
26. Marta Pihan-Kulesza, Poland 54.365
27. Rie Tanaka, Japan 54.333
28. Ashleigh Brennan, Australia 54.232

Vault:
1. McKayla Maroney, USA 15.800
2. Sandra Izbasa, Romania 15.316
3. Maria Paseka, Russia 15.049
4. Oksana Chusovitina, Germany 14.808
5. Yamilet Pena Abreu, Dominican Republic 14.699
6. Janine Berger, Germany 14.483
7. Brittany Rogers, Canada 14.483
8. Elsabeth Black, Canada 14.366

Uneven Bars:
1. Beth Tweddle, Great Britain 16.133
2. He Kexin, China 15.966
3. Viktoria Komova, Russia 15.833
4. Yao Jinnan, China 15.766
5. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 15.700
6. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.333
7. Huang Qiushuang, China 15.266 (didn't qualify, 3rd Chinese gymnast)
8. Elisabeth Seitz, Germany 15.166
9. Koko Tsurumi, Japan 15.033

Balance Beam:
1. Sui Lu, China 15.400
2. Viktoria Komova, Russia 15.266
3. Gabby Douglas, USA 15.266
4. Deng Linlin, China 15.166
5. Aly Raisman, USA 15.100
6. Kyla Ross, USA 15.075 (didn't qualify, 3rd American gymnast)
7. Ksenia Afanasyeva, Russia 15.066
8. Catalina Ponor, Romania 15.033
9. Anastasia Grishina, Russia 14.900 (didn't qualify, 3rd Russian gymnast)
10. Diana Laura Bulimar, Romania 14.866

Floor:
1. Aly Raisman, USA 15.325
2. Sandra Izbasa, Romania 15.066
3. Vanessa Ferrari, Italy 14.900
4. Ksenia Afanasyeva, Russia 14.833
5. Lauren Mitchell, Australia 14.833
6. Jordyn Wieber, USA 14.666
7. Catalina Ponor, Romania 14.600
8. Aliya Mustafina, Russia 14.433



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PostPosted: 07/29/12 8:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You gotta root for a girl named Ferrari.


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PostPosted: 07/29/12 8:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ugh Kyla Ross should be able to compete for a medal in Balance beam, what a stupid rule. Mad


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Big shock, as Jordyn Wieber fails to make the top two among Americans in qualifying, and hence won't compete in the all-around final. Now for the period where we wait and see if either of the Americans who did qualify come down with an 'injury' to let her in...


Stay out of my mind Very Happy Darn if I didn't think the same thing, especially after all the hoopla about her not making it. How about letting the 2 who preformed BETTER have their spot which THEY earned. I feel bad for Jordyn but not at the expense of those who had a better showing. I will be really pissed if Jordyn is "slipped" into the all around due to "injury" of either of the 2 who made it on their preformance.


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What's the tiebreaker that makes Mustafina's 14.433 on floor better than Tweddle's 14.433? Because whatever that difference is kept Beth out of another individual apparatus final.



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Stay out of my mind Very Happy Darn if I didn't think the same thing, especially after all the hoopla about her not making it. How about letting the 2 who preformed BETTER have their spot which THEY earned. I feel bad for Jordyn but not at the expense of those who had a better showing. I will be really pissed if Jordyn is "slipped" into the all around due to "injury" of either of the 2 who made it on their preformance.


A substitution does not have to be made due to injury, the USA can make a substitution simply because Jordyn finished in the top 24. If a substitution is made for injury that gymnast can not compete in the event finals she qualified for, if she is substituted just because than she can compete in the event finals she qualified for. I don't know if Martha Karolyi will made the substitution, but I guarantee you if she does it won't be because of an "injury" because every US gymnast who qualified for an even final will compete in even finals unless they are substituted as well, but the only event a substitute can be made is beam.



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why did only one US girl do a second vault to qualify for vault?
Any of them would have qualified for the event finals.


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why did only one US girl do a second vault to qualify for vault?
Any of them would have qualified for the event finals.


Because the vaults have to be from 2 different families (entry onto the vaulting table), and for most of the gymnast who are all-around will only train and perfect or get as close to perfection as possible and spend their time working on other events, to qualify for the all around and in the all around a gymnast just needs on really good vault, not real reason to work on another one.



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Stay out of my mind Very Happy Darn if I didn't think the same thing, especially after all the hoopla about her not making it. How about letting the 2 who preformed BETTER have their spot which THEY earned. I feel bad for Jordyn but not at the expense of those who had a better showing. I will be really pissed if Jordyn is "slipped" into the all around due to "injury" of either of the 2 who made it on their preformance.


A substitution does not have to be made due to injury, the USA can make a substitution simply because Jordyn finished in the top 24. If a substitution is made for injury that gymnast can not compete in the event finals she qualified for, if she is substituted just because than she can compete in the event finals she qualified for. I don't know if Martha Karolyi will made the substitution, but I guarantee you if she does it won't be because of an "injury" because every US gymnast who qualified for an even final will compete in even finals unless they are substituted as well, but the only event a substitute can be made is beam.


Why on earth would she make a substitution "just because". If she were the parent of either of the 2 who made it and the coach did a just because switch I am sure she wouldn't like it. What reason would she have to make a substitution anyway, it's not like the all around has anything to do with the team, it is an individual medal. If she did that just to allow Jordyn to compete it would be unprofessional IMO. You don't reward someone who didn't do their best by knocking out someone else who did. The ladies have to EARN the right to compete in all arounds not have it just given to them. Ally and Gabby both earned their opportunity.


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What's the tiebreaker that makes Mustafina's 14.433 on floor better than Tweddle's 14.433? Because whatever that difference is kept Beth out of another individual apparatus final.


from what I gathered on another message board, both had the same e-score, but Aliya Mustafina had a higher d score, so Aliya gets the higher placement.



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GEF34 wrote:
bballgrl wrote:

Stay out of my mind Very Happy Darn if I didn't think the same thing, especially after all the hoopla about her not making it. How about letting the 2 who preformed BETTER have their spot which THEY earned. I feel bad for Jordyn but not at the expense of those who had a better showing. I will be really pissed if Jordyn is "slipped" into the all around due to "injury" of either of the 2 who made it on their preformance.


A substitution does not have to be made due to injury, the USA can make a substitution simply because Jordyn finished in the top 24. If a substitution is made for injury that gymnast can not compete in the event finals she qualified for, if she is substituted just because than she can compete in the event finals she qualified for. I don't know if Martha Karolyi will made the substitution, but I guarantee you if she does it won't be because of an "injury" because every US gymnast who qualified for an even final will compete in even finals unless they are substituted as well, but the only event a substitute can be made is beam.


Why on earth would she make a substitution "just because". If she were the parent of either of the 2 who made it and the coach did a just because switch I am sure she wouldn't like it. What reason would she have to make a substitution anyway, it's not like the all around has anything to do with the team, it is an individual medal. If she did that just to allow Jordyn to compete it would be unprofessional IMO. You don't reward someone who didn't do their best by knocking out someone else who did. The ladies have to EARN the right to compete in all arounds not have it just given to them. Ally and Gabby both earned their opportunity.


It happens all the time in gymnastics, if a gymnast qualifies, but isn't among the top 2, she can replace a teammate who placed her higher than her. Sometimes a coach will do it because they believe that gymnast has a better chance of winning, or that gymnast has a better reputation, or other various reasons. She is the national team coordinator so she has final say whether a substitution is made, granted it's not a team event, but it's not like she no longer has power over the team once the team competition is over.

With that said I don't see her making a substitution, but it has been done in gymnastics and a gymnast doesn't have to be "injured" to be substituted.



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bballgrl wrote:
GEF34 wrote:
bballgrl wrote:

Stay out of my mind Very Happy Darn if I didn't think the same thing, especially after all the hoopla about her not making it. How about letting the 2 who preformed BETTER have their spot which THEY earned. I feel bad for Jordyn but not at the expense of those who had a better showing. I will be really pissed if Jordyn is "slipped" into the all around due to "injury" of either of the 2 who made it on their preformance.


A substitution does not have to be made due to injury, the USA can make a substitution simply because Jordyn finished in the top 24. If a substitution is made for injury that gymnast can not compete in the event finals she qualified for, if she is substituted just because than she can compete in the event finals she qualified for. I don't know if Martha Karolyi will made the substitution, but I guarantee you if she does it won't be because of an "injury" because every US gymnast who qualified for an even final will compete in even finals unless they are substituted as well, but the only event a substitute can be made is beam.


Why on earth would she make a substitution "just because". If she were the parent of either of the 2 who made it and the coach did a just because switch I am sure she wouldn't like it. What reason would she have to make a substitution anyway, it's not like the all around has anything to do with the team, it is an individual medal. If she did that just to allow Jordyn to compete it would be unprofessional IMO. You don't reward someone who didn't do their best by knocking out someone else who did. The ladies have to EARN the right to compete in all arounds not have it just given to them. Ally and Gabby both earned their opportunity.


It happens all the time in gymnastics, if a gymnast qualifies, but isn't among the top 2, she can replace a teammate who placed her higher than her. Sometimes a coach will do it because they believe that gymnast has a better chance of winning, or that gymnast has a better reputation, or other various reasons. She is the national team coordinator so she has final say whether a substitution is made, granted it's not a team event, but it's not like she no longer has power over the team once the team competition is over.

With that said I don't see her making a substitution, but it has been done in gymnastics and a gymnast doesn't have to be "injured" to be substituted.


Isn't Wieber's personal coach also the head coach of the whole team? I mean, obviously Martha is calling the shots, but, just something to consider. But, for the record, I don't think a substitution will happen.



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GEF34 wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
GEF34 wrote:
bballgrl wrote:

Stay out of my mind Very Happy Darn if I didn't think the same thing, especially after all the hoopla about her not making it. How about letting the 2 who preformed BETTER have their spot which THEY earned. I feel bad for Jordyn but not at the expense of those who had a better showing. I will be really pissed if Jordyn is "slipped" into the all around due to "injury" of either of the 2 who made it on their preformance.


A substitution does not have to be made due to injury, the USA can make a substitution simply because Jordyn finished in the top 24. If a substitution is made for injury that gymnast can not compete in the event finals she qualified for, if she is substituted just because than she can compete in the event finals she qualified for. I don't know if Martha Karolyi will made the substitution, but I guarantee you if she does it won't be because of an "injury" because every US gymnast who qualified for an even final will compete in even finals unless they are substituted as well, but the only event a substitute can be made is beam.


Why on earth would she make a substitution "just because". If she were the parent of either of the 2 who made it and the coach did a just because switch I am sure she wouldn't like it. What reason would she have to make a substitution anyway, it's not like the all around has anything to do with the team, it is an individual medal. If she did that just to allow Jordyn to compete it would be unprofessional IMO. You don't reward someone who didn't do their best by knocking out someone else who did. The ladies have to EARN the right to compete in all arounds not have it just given to them. Ally and Gabby both earned their opportunity.


It happens all the time in gymnastics, if a gymnast qualifies, but isn't among the top 2, she can replace a teammate who placed her higher than her. Sometimes a coach will do it because they believe that gymnast has a better chance of winning, or that gymnast has a better reputation, or other various reasons. She is the national team coordinator so she has final say whether a substitution is made, granted it's not a team event, but it's not like she no longer has power over the team once the team competition is over.

With that said I don't see her making a substitution, but it has been done in gymnastics and a gymnast doesn't have to be "injured" to be substituted.


Isn't Wieber's personal coach also the head coach of the whole team? I mean, obviously Martha is calling the shots, but, just something to consider. But, for the record, I don't think a substitution will happen.


He is the team head coach, but she has final say, he can't make a substitution on his own because he is head coach, it has to come from her.



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One other question. Gabby had the highest score on vault 15.900 (team) why is there only 1 us gymnast in the vault final. Shouldn't she be in that final along with McKayla who scored 15.800. I know McKayla is the vault specialist but if the top 2 qualify why isn't Gabby there. At first I thought it was because she was in the AA but she is also in beam and bars for individual. Are they trying to keep down the number of medals she could win? McKayla is the vault specialist but Gabby had a higher score on vault than McKayla. I guess they don't want to face the chance that she might win the individual in vault.


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One other question. Gabby had the highest score on vault 15.900 (team) why is there only 1 us gymnast in the vault final. Shouldn't she be in that final along with McKayla who scored 15.800. I know McKayla is the vault specialist but if the top 2 qualify why isn't Gabby there. At first I thought it was because she was in the AA but she is also in beam and bars for individual. Are they trying to keep down the number of medals she could win? McKayla is the vault specialist but Gabby had a higher score on vault than McKayla. I guess they don't want to face the chance that she might win the individual in vault.


To qualify for vault finals a gymnast has to complete 2 vaults from different families (entry onto the vault table), McKayla Maroney is the only gymnast on the US team that competes 2 vaults to qualify for vault finals. It is most likely Gabby's choice to only train one vault and concentrate on doing that as best she can as well as increasing/improving/perfecting the other 3 events to increase her all around chances.

BTW in terms of team competition McKayla and Gabby both scored a 15.9.



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bela karoly was on with bob costas and blasting the two-per-team rule, stating that the competition is supposed to be for the 24 best gymnasts, that a person shouldn't be penalized just because they come from a strong team. he also questioned the scoring and deductions on all of jordyn's events.



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I'm not an expert in Gymnastics, nor will I ever be, but even to me as an intersted observer this rule doesn't seem right.

You want the top 24 to be competing in the AA. Is it fair to penalize a country with a talented group of gymnasts?

In the interview with Károlyi, they compared the sitiuation to the NCAA Tournement. They said something like "Now to put this in perspective it would be like only the Top Two Teams from each confrence getting into the NCAA Tourement.

That would mean only Notre Dame and UConn would get in from the Big East, adn obviously they aren't the only ones from the confrence that are deserving of a berth. They may be themost deserving, but the the only deserving ones.

This comparrison really put it into perspective for me.

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It's a retarded rule. I really am losing interest in gymnastics with all these rule changes. I don't like lowering the number of gymnasts per country to 5 from 7 , or not allowing gymnasts younger than 16. If they're good enough they should be allowed to compete regardless of their age IMO. It is incredibly unfair to gymnasts that are 14/15 in an olympic year when the peak age of the sport is 16/17:?


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I'm not an expert in Gymnastics, nor will I ever be, but even to me as an intersted observer this rule doesn't seem right.

You want the top 24 to be competing in the AA. Is it fair to penalize a country with a talented group of gymnasts?

In the interview with Károlyi, they compared the sitiuation to the NCAA Tournement. They said something like "Now to put this in perspective it would be like only the Top Two Teams from each confrence getting into the NCAA Tourement.

That would mean only Notre Dame and UConn would get in from the Big East, adn obviously they aren't the only ones from the confrence that are deserving of a berth. They may be themost deserving, but the the only deserving ones.

This comparrison really put it into perspective for me.

Oh and on a sidenote, I sure do miss Nastia Liukin Crying or Very sad


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It's a retarded rule. I really am losing interest in gymnastics with all these rule changes. I don't like lowering the number of gymnasts per country to 5 from 7 , or not allowing gymnasts younger than 16. If they're good enough they should be allowed to compete regardless of their age IMO. It is incredibly unfair to gymnasts that are 14/15 in an olympic year when the peak age of the sport is 16/17:?


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I'm not an expert in Gymnastics, nor will I ever be, but even to me as an intersted observer this rule doesn't seem right.

You want the top 24 to be competing in the AA. Is it fair to penalize a country with a talented group of gymnasts?

In the interview with Károlyi, they compared the sitiuation to the NCAA Tournement. They said something like "Now to put this in perspective it would be like only the Top Two Teams from each confrence getting into the NCAA Tourement.

That would mean only Notre Dame and UConn would get in from the Big East, adn obviously they aren't the only ones from the confrence that are deserving of a berth. They may be themost deserving, but the the only deserving ones.

This comparrison really put it into perspective for me.

Oh and on a sidenote, I sure do miss Nastia Liukin Crying or Very sad


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OK

The rule is stupid the whole point of the Olympics is to let the best athletes in the world compete and Jordyn came in 4th for crying out loud and there are 24 spots. It is devastating to watch someone have their dreamed ripped away from them based on a technicality. She did her best to keep it classy even though you know she was dying inside.

There was a moment after the beam when Jordyn spoke with her coach on the sidelines and he basically said that her score were opening up the door for the other girl, I think he psyched her out and while this kind of motivation works for some athletes I think he put some negatives in her mind when she needed to be getting focused for her floor exercise. On the other hand The girl who sort of came out of no where Aly said in her final interview that she wasn't even aware of the scores and I think that helped her. I also think being under the radar helped her, and you saw on her beam and floor exercise that she had that kill it expression on her face. She wasn't going to let anyone stop her from making the all around when that power was in her hands. Those are the kind of moments when you see someone rise up against their percieved limitations that make athletics transcend into the drama of the human condition, and gives the whole thing deeper meaning then whose the best at tumbling on a mat. The irony is the Jordyn will probably have an amazing team competition because she'll have something to prove, and the pressure will be off.

I feel terrible for Jordyn but I love watching an athlete seize the moment and that is exactly what Aly did. With that said the rule is lame, no way should someone who comes in 4th be replaced by someone who comes in 25th that is just absurd, and it does taint the sport.


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i think a coach knows his player, and how to motivate her, better than any one of us. he's been with her for years, day in, day out. he most definitely knows her psyche, what to tell her and how much she can take.

my gripe with these subjective scoring sports (gymnastics, ice skating, diving) is that it is just that, subjective. back in the day, the lop-sided scoring was very much blatantly straight down geo-political lines. not so much anymore, but many an athlete's heart was broken with the old scoring system.



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It's a retarded rule. I really am losing interest in gymnastics with all these rule changes. I don't like lowering the number of gymnasts per country to 5 from 7 , or not allowing gymnasts younger than 16. If they're good enough they should be allowed to compete regardless of their age IMO. It is incredibly unfair to gymnasts that are 14/15 in an olympic year when the peak age of the sport is 16/17:?


Is it really fair to say a gymnasts peak age is 16-17 though, look at how many women are competing and are doing better gymnastics in their early to mid-20s than they did when they were 16-17. I think now gymnasts are really showing 16-17 isn't really a peak age anymore as it was in the past, but with that said I think a lot of the rules are unfair to gymnasts and country. With the exception of changing the size of the team, the rules have been in effect since 1997, and teams were changed from 7 to 6 in 1997 as well, so really the only new rule is changing the team size from 6 to 5.



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One other question. Gabby had the highest score on vault 15.900 (team) why is there only 1 us gymnast in the vault final. Shouldn't she be in that final along with McKayla who scored 15.800. I know McKayla is the vault specialist but if the top 2 qualify why isn't Gabby there. At first I thought it was because she was in the AA but she is also in beam and bars for individual. Are they trying to keep down the number of medals she could win? McKayla is the vault specialist but Gabby had a higher score on vault than McKayla. I guess they don't want to face the chance that she might win the individual in vault.


To qualify for vault finals a gymnast has to complete 2 vaults from different families (entry onto the vault table), McKayla Maroney is the only gymnast on the US team that competes 2 vaults to qualify for vault finals. It is most likely Gabby's choice to only train one vault and concentrate on doing that as best she can as well as increasing/improving/perfecting the other 3 events to increase her all around chances.

BTW in terms of team competition McKayla and Gabby both scored a 15.9.


Thanks for the explanation. Oh, I saw my mistake in the scores.


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bballgrl wrote:
GEF34 wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
One other question. Gabby had the highest score on vault 15.900 (team) why is there only 1 us gymnast in the vault final. Shouldn't she be in that final along with McKayla who scored 15.800. I know McKayla is the vault specialist but if the top 2 qualify why isn't Gabby there. At first I thought it was because she was in the AA but she is also in beam and bars for individual. Are they trying to keep down the number of medals she could win? McKayla is the vault specialist but Gabby had a higher score on vault than McKayla. I guess they don't want to face the chance that she might win the individual in vault.


To qualify for vault finals a gymnast has to complete 2 vaults from different families (entry onto the vault table), McKayla Maroney is the only gymnast on the US team that competes 2 vaults to qualify for vault finals. It is most likely Gabby's choice to only train one vault and concentrate on doing that as best she can as well as increasing/improving/perfecting the other 3 events to increase her all around chances.

BTW in terms of team competition McKayla and Gabby both scored a 15.9.


Thanks for the explanation. Oh, I saw my mistake in the scores.


You're welcome, and if you have any other questions feel free to ask, either or in the men's thread if you have a question about men's gymnastics, and I'll do my best to answer or find the answer for you.

Also I just figured you looked at McKayla's average in the vault finalist list, no biggie. Wink



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Here is the start list for the Finals which will be on Tuesday (7/31) at 8:30am pacific time.

Rotation 1:
Vault: USA, Russia
Uneven Bars: China, Romania
Balance Beam: Great Britain, Japan
Floor: Italy, Canada

Complete rotation list:
http://www.fig-docs.com/microsites/london12/results/files/sl/wag/sl_wag_team_f.pdf

Live scoring:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/gymnastics/event/women-team/index.html

Live stream:
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I've seen the lineup and assignments for the team final. Gabby is doing all 4 rotations, Jordyn is doing 3, Ally and Kayla are doing 2 each and McKyala is doing 1.

It would seem to me that Jordyn, being the World Champion, would participate in all 4 rotations. I really, really hope that Gabby isn't being set up for injury. I hope I am wrong but I just have a gut feeling that somehow Jordyn is going to get into the all around at the expense of someone else. Keeping my fingers crossed that that is not the case.


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I saw the BBC1 broadcast online and it's so much better than NBC it's not even funny. The american girls stepped up to the plate unlike the men, total domination,Congrats to them. I hope Gabby and Ally finish 1 and 2 in the all around, the Russian girls seem like trainwrecks.


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Congrats to the American ladies. Incredibly talented group!


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***Spoiler Alert, results of team finals are listed below***




The Final women's standings are listed below


Team:
1. USA 183.596
2. Russia 178.530
3. Romania 176.414
4. China 174.430
5. Canada 170.804
6. Great Britain 170.495
7. Italy 167.930
8. Japan 166.646

The USA wins the team Olympic gold for the 2nd time in history, the first time was in 1996. As the saying goes history repeats itself, the last time USA won gold in Atlanta the top 4 teams finished in exactly the same order.



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The american girls stepped up to the plate unlike the men, total domination,Congrats to them. I hope Gabby and Ally finish 1 and 2 in the all around, the Russian girls seem like trainwrecks.


It's a shame that the men are characterized based on one night. No one cares what happened in the past, it's just this one night and they are branded for life, they didn't fall apart last year at the World Championships when they won the team bronze, but now they are chokers and they can't step up to the plate. This is the same thing that happened to Alicia Sacramone and led her to coming back, she was a world championship, she was an anchor for the USA, hitting the gold medal clinching floor routine at the 2007 world championships, but she was only know as the girl who fell on beam in Beijing. She has even said, she doesn't understand how can one bad night write her career, no one cared she led the team to gold at the world championships, no one cared she won individual gold medals the last 3 years, all she was known as the girl who fell on beam. The same can also be said for the Russian women, one night doesn't write their careers, there are world champions and world medalist on the team that won the silver medal, they have had great careers in the past 2 years, but one bad night and now they are called trainwrecks.



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FYI, for anyone that cares...

The rule about only 2 gymnasts per country allowed to compete in the All Around was changed after the 2000 Sydney Olympics when Romania swept the podium: Andrea Raducan won gold, Simona Amanar took silver and Maria Olaru bronze. Raducan, infamously and sadly, had her gold stripped for testing positive for Sudafed, of all things, which was given to her by the team doctor because she had a cold. So the fourth place girl from China was moved up to bronze. The rest of the story...Raducan had to return her gold, but initially Amanar and Olaru refused to upgrade their medals insisting their teammate was the true all-around champion. Amanar eventually did take the gold but said it was just so she could bring it back to Romania where it belonged. And she supposedly gave the gold back to Raducan once back in Romania.

Andrea Raducan photo then...
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-athletes-who-lost-their-olympic-medal.php/andreea-raducan-top-tenz-2

And photo now...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_R%C4%83ducan


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Stay out of my mind Very Happy Darn if I didn't think the same thing, especially after all the hoopla about her not making it. How about letting the 2 who preformed BETTER have their spot which THEY earned. I feel bad for Jordyn but not at the expense of those who had a better showing. I will be really pissed if Jordyn is "slipped" into the all around due to "injury" of either of the 2 who made it on their preformance.


A substitution does not have to be made due to injury, the USA can make a substitution simply because Jordyn finished in the top 24. If a substitution is made for injury that gymnast can not compete in the event finals she qualified for, if she is substituted just because than she can compete in the event finals she qualified for. I don't know if Martha Karolyi will made the substitution, but I guarantee you if she does it won't be because of an "injury" because every US gymnast who qualified for an even final will compete in even finals unless they are substituted as well, but the only event a substitute can be made is beam.


I don't see any way that they substitute Jordyn in, unless someone is really injured. Did you see Aly's parents when she performed? They would kill before they would let that happen. Of course, I guess they could substitute for Gabby but she was expected to be in the all-around from what the announcers were saying. I agree there won't be substitutions unless from a real injury.


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FYI, for anyone that cares...

The rule about only 2 gymnasts per country allowed to compete in the All Around was changed after the 2000 Sydney Olympics when Romania swept the podium: Andrea Raducan won gold, Simona Amanar took silver and Maria Olaru bronze. Raducan, infamously and sadly, had her gold stripped for testing positive for Sudafed, of all things, which was given to her by the team doctor because she had a cold. So the fourth place girl from China was moved up to bronze. The rest of the story...Raducan had to return her gold, but initially Amanar and Olaru refused to upgrade their medals insisting their teammate was the true all-around champion. Amanar eventually did take the gold but said it was just so she could bring it back to Romania where it belonged. And she supposedly gave the gold back to Raducan once back in Romania.

Andrea Raducan photo then...
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-athletes-who-lost-their-olympic-medal.php/andreea-raducan-top-tenz-2

And photo now...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_R%C4%83ducan



That's a sad story. Her coach should have known better than to give her sudafed. Still I don't see why the rule was changed. Other sports have multiple competitors and a country can take all three medals. Anyway, thanks for the story.


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FYI, for anyone that cares...

The rule about only 2 gymnasts per country allowed to compete in the All Around was changed after the 2000 Sydney Olympics when Romania swept the podium: Andrea Raducan won gold, Simona Amanar took silver and Maria Olaru bronze. Raducan, infamously and sadly, had her gold stripped for testing positive for Sudafed, of all things, which was given to her by the team doctor because she had a cold. So the fourth place girl from China was moved up to bronze. The rest of the story...Raducan had to return her gold, but initially Amanar and Olaru refused to upgrade their medals insisting their teammate was the true all-around champion. Amanar eventually did take the gold but said it was just so she could bring it back to Romania where it belonged. And she supposedly gave the gold back to Raducan once back in Romania.

Andrea Raducan photo then...
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-athletes-who-lost-their-olympic-medal.php/andreea-raducan-top-tenz-2

And photo now...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_R%C4%83ducan



That's a sad story. Her coach should have known better than to give her sudafed. Still I don't see why the rule was changed. Other sports have multiple competitors and a country can take all three medals. Anyway, thanks for the story.


Agreed. I don't think the rule needed to be changed either. We've seen the USA sweep gold/silver/bronze in track events, so why not gymnastics. Bela Karolyi is right about one thing: it should be the best all-around gymnasts...period. Regardless of country. Romania had the best gymnasts in 2000. The USA has the best gymnasts in 2012. If that results in a sweep, so be it, I say.


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PalaceAthena wrote:
FYI, for anyone that cares...

The rule about only 2 gymnasts per country allowed to compete in the All Around was changed after the 2000 Sydney Olympics when Romania swept the podium: Andrea Raducan won gold, Simona Amanar took silver and Maria Olaru bronze. Raducan, infamously and sadly, had her gold stripped for testing positive for Sudafed, of all things, which was given to her by the team doctor because she had a cold. So the fourth place girl from China was moved up to bronze. The rest of the story...Raducan had to return her gold, but initially Amanar and Olaru refused to upgrade their medals insisting their teammate was the true all-around champion. Amanar eventually did take the gold but said it was just so she could bring it back to Romania where it belonged. And she supposedly gave the gold back to Raducan once back in Romania.

Andrea Raducan photo then...
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-athletes-who-lost-their-olympic-medal.php/andreea-raducan-top-tenz-2

And photo now...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_R%C4%83ducan



That's a sad story. Her coach should have known better than to give her sudafed. Still I don't see why the rule was changed. Other sports have multiple competitors and a country can take all three medals. Anyway, thanks for the story.


It was the team doctor that gave her the medicine, not her coach, but I agree the team doctor should have known.

As for the rule change, 3 gymnasts per country were allowed for the all around because the top 36 qualified, it was changed to 2 per country in 2003 I believe when they decreased the number to the top 24.



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I just watched Komovo(sp) have a few balance checks and darn near fall on her dismount(landed in a crunch position) then too 3 BIG steps off the mat and receive a 15.033. When Gabby took 3 big steps on floor they gave her a 13.something. Imagine that!


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I just watched Komovo(sp) have a few balance checks and darn near fall on her dismount(landed in a crunch position) then too 3 BIG steps off the mat and receive a 15.033. When Gabby took 3 big steps on floor they gave her a 13.something. Imagine that!


The biggest difference is their d scores because they basically had the same e score. Gabby Douglas on floor starts at a 5.7, her e score was 8.366 plus a .3 deduction for both feet going out of bounds, where as Viktoria Komova on beam starts at a 6.5 with an e score of 8.533. If they both started with the same or closer d scores their scores would have been a lot closer, but Viktoria starts .8 higher than Gabby before either gymnast even started the competition.



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That's an amazing vault, almost perfection, great form, amazing landing. Thanks for posting. Very Happy



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CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM USA ON WINNING THE GOLD! Very Happy

I actually had a tear in my eye to see them ALL so happy. Props to Jordyn for coming out and doing her part.


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CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM USA ON WINNING THE GOLD! Very Happy

I actually had a tear in my eye to see them ALL so happy. Props to Jordyn for coming out and doing her part.


Me too! It has been so long, since 1996, that the USA Women's team has won Gold. The ladies performed tonight with no falls or mistakes...just a few bobbles and balance checks. Well done Fab Five! Very Happy


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These young ladies (from every competing country) work their asses off and sacrifice their childhood for this moment. The least these judges could do is pay attention. There shouldn't have been any deduction from Kayla's vault.


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These young ladies (from every competing country) work their asses off and sacrifice their childhood for this moment. The least these judges could do is pay attention. There shouldn't have been any deduction from Kayla's vault.


When they showed the replay of that fantastic vault, I saw one of the judges with her mouth wide open in amazement! I bet she scored it as perfect!

Best vault of the night. If the judges take 3 tenths off of Kayla's vault, then the Russian gymnast deserved more off than 5 tenths...her legs were apart before she landed it.


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I love just seeing the joy and excitement each gymnast and coach has after each person competes, they were truly a team and there for one another.



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These young ladies (from every competing country) work their asses off and sacrifice their childhood for this moment. The least these judges could do is pay attention. There shouldn't have been any deduction from Kayla's vault.


When they showed the replay of that fantastic vault, I saw one of the judges with her mouth wide open in amazement! I bet she scored it as perfect!

Best vault of the night. If the judges take 3 tenths off of Kayla's vault, then the Russian gymnast deserved more off than 5 tenths...her legs were apart before she landed it.


I have a feeling she is gonna get a perfect score in the vault finals.


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A couple of questions for those in the know:

First: The competition for the individual all-around has not started, correct?

Second: Then there is a competition for each individual event, i.e. the vault, the uneven bars, etc.?


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A couple of questions for those in the know:

First: The competition for the individual all-around has not started, correct?

Second: Then there is a competition for each individual event, i.e. the vault, the uneven bars, etc.?


That's correct, the women's all finals is August 2 at 8:30am pacific time, vault is August 5, uneven bars August 6, balance beam and floor August 7. I will post links and the start list when they become available. If you look earlier in the thread, the gymnast who have qualified for the all around and individual events is posted in the recap of the final subdivision of prelims.



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That's a sad story. Her coach should have known better than to give her sudafed. Still I don't see why the rule was changed. Other sports have multiple competitors and a country can take all three medals. Anyway, thanks for the story.


It was the team doctor that gave her the medicine, not her coach, but I agree the team doctor should have known.

As for the rule change, 3 gymnasts per country were allowed for the all around because the top 36 qualified, it was changed to 2 per country in 2003 I believe when they decreased the number to the top 24.


My bad, team doctor not coach and, as you said, the team doctor should have known better. I would have gone for some natural remedies, being careful not to include anything that would be illegal.

So, regarding the rule change, that only allows 24 instead of 36; I can understand that maybe there is not time for 36 to compete, but I am not sure about the 2 per country. So every country that enters the competition is allowed 2 for the all-around. Being a casual Olympic fan (as I am with all sports), how does this compare to other Olympic competitions? Are there similar type events to which this can be compared?


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A couple of questions for those in the know:

First: The competition for the individual all-around has not started, correct?

Second: Then there is a competition for each individual event, i.e. the vault, the uneven bars, etc.?


That's correct, the women's all finals is August 2 at 8:30am pacific time, vault is August 5, uneven bars August 6, balance beam and floor August 7. I will post links and the start list when they become available. If you look earlier in the thread, the gymnast who have qualified for the all around and individual events is posted in the recap of the final subdivision of prelims.


Great! Thanks. This is the first time I have paid this much attention to women's gymnastics and I never watch the men's. It's not that I don't appreciate the hard work and skill, I do. I remember watching Nadia when she scored the perfect 10 and before her a Soviet Union gymnast that I remember was really a crowd pleaser and really good, Olga Korbut. My dad loved her. I imagine it was the first time he had watched gymnastics, probably it was the first time he had had the time to watch the Olympics.

EDIT: Okay, I had looked for that summary before I posted but missed it.




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So, regarding the rule change, that only allows 24 instead of 36; I can understand that maybe there is not time for 36 to compete, but I am not sure about the 2 per country. So every country that enters the competition is allowed 2 for the all-around. Being a casual Olympic fan (as I am with all sports), how does this compare to other Olympic competitions? Are there similar type events to which this can be compared?


Well not exactly the same, but swimming it is a 2 per country rule for each event and each country can qualify 1 relay team per relay event, diving 2 per country and 1 synchro team per synchro event, track and field it's 3 per country per event and 1 relay team per relay event. In equestrian in the team competition each country is allowed 5 riders, and only the top 3 qualify for the individual competition, I believe wrestling is only allowed on wrestler per country per weight class. So the only think that would be similar in the sense that they would qualify for individuals through a team comp is the equestrian, but in the other sports, it's not always the best swimmers/runners/jumpers/etc that are competing because of the I believe in one event the USA has had 4 of the top 10 swimmers in the world, but only 2 could qualify, and some of the running events is probably the same in track, not just for the USA, but other countries as well.

There is also another way to look at it, that the competition doesn't start with the best gymnasts in the world either because if you come from a country that qualifies a team you can't compete individually if you don't make the team, Alicia Sacramone is probably one of the best vaulters and beam workers in the world, Anna Li is one probably one of the best bars workers in the world, and the same can be said for gymnasts from countries like Russia, China, Romania who have gymnast that are event specialist, but don't have a spot on a 5 person team.



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A couple of questions for those in the know:

First: The competition for the individual all-around has not started, correct?

Second: Then there is a competition for each individual event, i.e. the vault, the uneven bars, etc.?


That's correct, the women's all finals is August 2 at 8:30am pacific time, vault is August 5, uneven bars August 6, balance beam and floor August 7. I will post links and the start list when they become available. If you look earlier in the thread, the gymnast who have qualified for the all around and individual events is posted in the recap of the final subdivision of prelims.


Great! Thanks. This is the first time I have paid this much attention to women's gymnastics and I never watch the men's. It's not that I don't appreciate the hard work and skill, I do. I remember watching Nadia when she scored the perfect 10 and before her a Soviet Union gymnast that I remember was really a crowd pleaser and really good, Olga Korbut. My dad loved her. I imagine it was the first time he had watched gymnastics, probably it was the first time he had had the time to watch the Olympics.


You're welcome, and I know you said you don't watch men's gymnastics, but if you are interested in starting, their all around finals is tomorrow at 8:30am pacific time, and their have individual events on the 3 days I listed above for the individual events for the women. More info can be found in the men's gymnastics thread.



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Watching highlights of Aly Raisman's floor routine seeing her tear up as she lands her final pass and prepares for her final pose reminds me of Alicia Sacramone in 2007 at the World Championships, they just needed to go out and hit, they didn't need a big score, but they hit their routines and as soon as they landed the knew they had clinched the gold, and they both ran off in tears to cheering teammates and coaches and they all just knew they had done something very special.



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So, regarding the rule change, that only allows 24 instead of 36; I can understand that maybe there is not time for 36 to compete, but I am not sure about the 2 per country. So every country that enters the competition is allowed 2 for the all-around. Being a casual Olympic fan (as I am with all sports), how does this compare to other Olympic competitions? Are there similar type events to which this can be compared?


Well not exactly the same, but swimming it is a 2 per country rule for each event and each country can qualify 1 relay team per relay event, diving 2 per country and 1 synchro team per synchro event, track and field it's 3 per country per event and 1 relay team per relay event. In equestrian in the team competition each country is allowed 5 riders, and only the top 3 qualify for the individual competition, I believe wrestling is only allowed on wrestler per country per weight class. So the only think that would be similar in the sense that they would qualify for individuals through a team comp is the equestrian, but in the other sports, it's not always the best swimmers/runners/jumpers/etc that are competing because of the I believe in one event the USA has had 4 of the top 10 swimmers in the world, but only 2 could qualify, and some of the running events is probably the same in track, not just for the USA, but other countries as well.

There is also another way to look at it, that the competition doesn't start with the best gymnasts in the world either because if you come from a country that qualifies a team you can't compete individually if you don't make the team, Alicia Sacramone is probably one of the best vaulters and beam workers in the world, Anna Li is one probably one of the best bars workers in the world, and the same can be said for gymnasts from countries like Russia, China, Romania who have gymnast that are event specialist, but don't have a spot on a 5 person team.


I didn't realize there was the limit on the other events you mentioned, so really it doesn't seem that gymnastics is much different.

You are right about not having the best gymnasts because of the people who don't make the team may be better than many on other teams. I would think that that would be true for most of the sports. Plus, sometimes you just have a bad night at the wrong time and don't make your own team when 9 times out of 10 you would have.

I might check the men's link out. I think OU has a couple of men who are on the team. Appreciate your providing all this information. Much easier for people like me who really do not know the rules of the sport. Also, the times and all help because my computer times out and I go through many reloads. Got to take the time to set-up my new wireless router and modem.


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I didn't realize there was the limit on the other events you mentioned, so really it doesn't seem that gymnastics is much different.

You are right about not having the best gymnasts because of the people who don't make the team may be better than many on other teams. I would think that that would be true for most of the sports. Plus, sometimes you just have a bad night at the wrong time and don't make your own team when 9 times out of 10 you would have.

I might check the men's link out. I think OU has a couple of men who are on the team. Appreciate your providing all this information. Much easier for people like me who really do not know the rules of the sport. Also, the times and all help because my computer times out and I go through many reloads. Got to take the time to set-up my new wireless router and modem.


You're welcome, it's no problem at all, if you have any other questions I'll try to answer them or I'm sure others here can answer them as well.

And yes OU has 2 gymnasts that were named to the team, Jake Dalton and Jonathan Horton, both qualified for individual event, Jake will compete in floor finals on August 5 and Jonathan Horton will compete in high bar finals on August 7. On another note the 3 replacement athletes all compete at OU, and Jake Dalton will return for his senor year after the Olympics, so if you are interested you may have a chance to see an Olympic medalist compete in person, plus the other OU alumni support the team, so you may see them in the stands as well.



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what was aly's score on the floor event? don't recall seeing it during all the excitement. Smile

CONGRATS to the fab five! great job, girls.

btw, during wimbledon, i heard it announced that tennis has a 2 event per person rule in effect. i.e., serena williams can compete in the singles, but would have to choose between doubles with her sister or mixed doubles. i've heard it mentioned that's so more people have a shot at a medal. so, guess they're trying to spread the wealth around.



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what was aly's score on the floor event? don't recall seeing it during all the excitement. Smile

CONGRATS to the fab five! great job, girls.

btw, during wimbledon, i heard it announced that tennis has a 2 event per person rule in effect. i.e., serena williams can compete in the singles, but would have to choose between doubles with her sister or mixed doubles. i've heard it mentioned that's so more people have a shot at a medal. so, guess they're trying to spread the wealth around.


Aly scored 15.300.

And I don't know the exact rule, but what you said about tennis does sounds familiar.



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