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13teams1journey · Posted: 01/25/12 6:32 pm ::: Letters to Janel

Hmm...So the Liberty are making a huge push to get Janel McCarville back on the roster. After what happened (assessing her a fine because she was still playing overseas & she wanted a break before she came back to NYC) I wonder what changed their minds?

Is Janel a UFA or an RFA? Maybe she's been getting offers from other teams?

Kind of reminds me of what Agler did when LJ was in the fence about signing with Seattle in 2009...but that was a little more subtle.

http://www.wnba.com/liberty/news/letters_to_janel.html

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pilight · Posted: 01/25/12 6:36 pm ::: Re: Letters to Janel

Michelle89 · Posted: 01/25/12 6:44 pm :::

Hmm if i were her i would like to go to another team but i think she is still under contract.

Its not like Liberty is short on postplayers with Vaughn, Pierson, Braxton, Hollingsworth and Phillips. So if she wants to play 25+ minutes its maybe best to see if a trade is possible.

JohnyK · Posted: 01/25/12 6:53 pm :::

They could have probably done it more subtly, that seems a bit desperate.

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Shades · Posted: 01/25/12 6:58 pm :::

So I'm guessing they're doing this campaign because she's showing signs of not wanting to come back.

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BCBG25 · Posted: 01/25/12 7:13 pm :::

She'll have to sit out another season or ask for a trade, so it looks like a win-win, although this page was a complete 180 from what the good ole FFO would've done (i.e. FOAV). This new FO is bi-polar (FOAV one year, please forgive me the next).
BTW, I wouldn't count on Phillips making the cut next time.

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StevenHW · Posted: 01/25/12 7:45 pm :::

I think the question should've been: Does the Liberty (that is, John Whisenant) want McCarville back?

Shades · Posted: 01/25/12 7:58 pm :::

bballfan2005 · Posted: 01/25/12 8:01 pm :::

When you take a 1st-place team and turn it into a 4th place team, I guess you have to try just about everything. *shrug*

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Richyyy · Posted: 01/25/12 9:51 pm :::

It definitely strengthens your position when you've proven that you're actually willing to just skip the WNBA season and play in Europe. It's been an abstract threat from so many players, but Janel kind of went through with it (even if Whiz took the decision out of her hands in the end).

I forgot to mention her in the free agency articles because she's not one - she's still on the Liberty's suspended list. The League's consistently tried to prevent players making themselves into free agents by not showing up, so the Libs still control her rights.

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7upster · Posted: 01/26/12 12:41 am :::

Are the Liberty really serious with this? Having people write hee letters. Smdh...

J-Spoon · Posted: 01/26/12 12:51 am :::

I'm torn, I'm a McCarville fan but the last season she played with the Liberty she seemed kind of out of it. I also think a post rotation of Pierson, Vaughn, Braxton and Hollingsworth is pretty good, I think Holligsworth is going to take a big step forward this season, and get more minutes at the PF spot. McCarville with out a doubt is the best passing big on the Liberty roster and she would probably help a lot on the offensive end, but I think she's kind of average on defense, and isn't the best fit for Whiz system. With McCarville on the roster instead of Phillips yeah were better, but would I want her on the court more than Braxton or even Hollingsworth, I'm not so sure anymore. I guess with McCarville's passing ability you might be able to get away with a Cappie/Carson backcourt, which I think should be happenigng a lot this season barring an upgrade at the PG spot. So I vote yes but with some reservations.

The Liberty need a big guard, who can at least pretend to be a PG, play defense and it wouldn't hurt if they could shoot the three. I would target Ticha, or try to trade McCarville and something for that player, Wiggins (not going to happen) move up in the draft for Shenise Johnson, Hornbuckle (I think we can do better) or re-sign Mitchell, or try Prahalis (I know I'm a broken record, she doesn't defend, etc, but she's having a nice college season which many detrators said wasn't going to happen with lavender gone and she has really stepped up nice A/TO ratio as well) Canty (No) Thorn (Is she enough of a PG) A miller twin? So McCarville would be a roster upgrade and even while writing this paragraph I got more excted about the idea (probably because of the lack of good point options, but if we could turn her into a better PG than we have now I would look to trade.

Also more broken record the Liberty finished two games behind the conference champ Fever and one game behind the finals appearing Dream so I think the 4th place finnish isn't as bad as people make it out to be, If Cappie or Powell score a couple more points a game we finnish in first or go to the finals so while lottery is possible next season I think the same roster could also compete for the Finals. Chcago probably improved with their off season moves so far, but I can see scenarios where all four top teams have some drop off.

Shades · Posted: 01/26/12 2:01 am :::

root_thing · Posted: 01/26/12 5:50 am :::

Michelle89 · Posted: 01/26/12 6:18 am :::

Happycappie25 · Posted: 01/26/12 7:11 am :::

Now that i've had time to cool down and not do anything too rash. I still realize this pisses me off.

Not counting phillips because she's gonzo (She got left off the roster for game 3 so I doubt she even counts) but still you have 3 listed centers and a 4. Hollingsworth proved her worth as a 4 last year. The libs problems were too many 2s and too many 5s. We need a 3 and a 1. Janel has trade value and we could free up the space to pick up Tischa for one season to mentor a 1 from the draft. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd not trade up for Sammy P. I'd rather grab Rushdian who's stock is rising and looks more like a Whiz type point guard)

Mitchell and Janel would be a fine package.

I think it's sick that they took this route...I for one was GLAD whiz took a stand. It was about time a W coach did. I dunno why openly groveling for someone who would not make that big an impact (Again I repeat, the issue was too many minutes for Powell and 1s that didn't fit the system pushing Cappie to the 1. Cappie at the 1 wore her out for 1 and took away her scoring prowess for 2. We learned the hard way that Carson is not a 2/3 in this league.)

This really is the first big mistake of the Whiz era. And mind you they've done alot of good and repaired most of the damage caused by blaze. This is not a blaze era mistake. It's a tactical mistake that just makes us more loaded at a posistion we don't need to be loaded in. I didn't like the braxton trade because it filled an overloaded posistion. Now we're further overloading it...Makes no sense.

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BCBG25 · Posted: 01/26/12 7:24 am :::

scullyfu · Posted: 01/26/12 9:04 am ::: Re: Letters to Janel

psheehy · Posted: 01/26/12 10:41 am ::: Re: Letters to Janel

pasteurize · Posted: 01/26/12 10:49 am :::

Michelle89 · Posted: 01/26/12 11:39 am :::

LibWNBAFan · Posted: 01/26/12 5:00 pm :::

Interesting premise. I look at it differently from most I guess. I think this is a dual effort of trying to make fans feel like they are a part of something in addition to wanting Janel to come back.

Out of all the PR-type moves we have seen, I don't have much of a problem with this one. If she gets back to the form of a couple of years ago, she certainly makes the team a little bit better. Using an opportunity to make fans feel like they have something of a personal connection to the team isn't bad either.

13teams1journey · Posted: 01/26/12 5:08 pm ::: Re: Letters to Janel

myrtle · Posted: 01/26/12 5:36 pm :::

Personally I think both sides would do just as well if they made a trade. IMO she doesn't really fit in Whiz' style of play whereas in some other system she could possibly make an impact. And if NY could receive something worthwhile in the exchange, all the better. Otherwise next year. NY gets nothing and she goes on her way.

scullyfu · Posted: 01/26/12 8:42 pm ::: Re: Letters to Janel

Barrister15 · Posted: 01/27/12 10:40 am :::

Is it possible that the FO knows something about the health and/or situation of one of the other bigs so they're courting Janel to fill where they expect a gap in the upcoming season?

Richyyy · Posted: 01/27/12 11:24 am ::: Re: Letters to Janel

bballfan2005 · Posted: 01/27/12 11:43 am :::

Numerically, she's in Kristen Mann-Megan Frazee territory in Euroleague and, to my knowledge, nobody's writing them letters to get them back in the league. So, IMO, this is a "WTF?" moment. Rather than spend their time trying to find a PG who can succeed in their wack ass system (or a three who can eat Nicole Powell's minutes), they'd rather beg a no better than decent PF to return? Unless she's going to be traded, this makes NO sense.

As I type this, I'm looking at Nicole Powell's numbers and am shaking my head. Of course she's balling out overseas. Of course.

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bballfan2005 · Posted: 01/27/12 12:21 pm :::

"Guarding the rim" doesn't seem to be a Phoenix priority, right? Because offense will only get you so far. Kristi and Nicole are not known for their "consistency" (to put it very mildly), and Kristi has not shown that she can play PG on a regular basis in this league (or elsewhere, for that matter).

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dynasty0207 · Posted: 01/27/12 1:36 pm :::

I hope Phoenix doesn't get Prahalis. I like Prahalis. I don't like Phoenix.

Queenie · Posted: 01/27/12 1:54 pm ::: Re: Letters to Janel

Happycappie25 · Posted: 01/27/12 7:03 pm :::

I'm in...you know given the rep-sponse i got...the crap may get past the radar...let's try it!!!!!

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LibWNBAFan · Posted: 01/27/12 11:19 pm :::

They might want her back so they can swing PP to the 3 for some minutes. That would mean moving Powell to the 2, to the bench or to another team, which might make this discussion moot, given Whiz's affinity for Powell. But here's a lineup that would work for me:

Cappie-Carson-Pierson-McCarville-Vaughn

Yes, in this scenario Cappie is the point guard, and no, that did not work out well last year. But my thought process is twofold. First off, you get Janel's ball movement back in the lineup, which would provide more balance to the offense. You also get much bigger and physically stronger in your matchups with PP at the 3, which is probably where she should play most of the time anyway. In this scenario, Cappie and McCarville are good at passing the ball with the caveat that Cappie is obviously not looking to pass first. But if you allow PP to face the hoop more, she becomes a more effective passer too. Having several players capable of creating for others would probably make this a more fluid offense. Vaughn improved as a passer last year too. And with PP and Janel both capable of facing up and dishing, Kia would get easier scoring opportunities than she did a year ago. I think that would be a pretty dynamic lineup. It's athletic, it's strong and it has a balance of different types of players who could form a nice chemistry. Most importantly, you put your most versatile defensive player (PP) in a position where she is most likely to succeed. I'd rather she guard Catch or Angel than bang with the true power forwards for 25 minutes a night. And when you swing PP to the 4, Essence is a good matchup option defensively as well. And while I don't know anything about the Liberty player development in the offseason, given Carson's intelligence, work ethic and character, I am betting this is the year where defensively things just click for her and become automatic. Especially...second year in the system, fifth in the league. It's common for players to hit their defensive stride at this career stage.

And one more thing in regard to Janel. While she might not be the best candidate to front the post given her height and quickness, she does have a way of getting steals, and she has some hops. She's also a very smart help side defender, which is an important part of the defense as well. Ideal fit defensively? I would say no. But functional with some positives? I think yes.

Barrister15 · Posted: 01/29/12 4:01 pm ::: Re: Letters to Janel

GEF34 · Posted: 04/07/12 11:00 pm :::

Janel was mentioned in another thread and this popped into my mind. Whatever happened to this campaign, did they go through with it and it didn't work out, are they still trying to persuade her to come over, was there a good turn out from fans with letters of support or did they scrap the idea?

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vanyogan · Posted: 04/08/12 8:52 am :::

Wow, I knew Liberty fans were tough, but geez, sometimes I think you don't deserve the crappy team you have.

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Happycappie25 · Posted: 04/08/12 9:55 am :::

Well if Hollingsworth is really going to miss the season to try to get Turkey in the Olympics, it may be needed...but I've heard nothing and as I said...given the Rep-Sponse I got from this when I asked about it...I think the Lib staff realized that the fanbase moved on and buried it except for a few little kids. My only regret is likely this prevents us from trading her...and we need a 3 BAD (Miller fills the 1 although I still say re upping mitchell makes little sense) and we still don't know what's up with Carson (this may be a need to trade Janel for cap room.)

But I'm glad the campaign fell through...it was a dumb idea...we may be poorer than Knick fans but that doesn't mean we resort to begging Wink

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Str8_Butta · Posted: 04/08/12 11:14 am :::

toad455 · Posted: 04/08/12 11:48 am :::

If Janel (& Carson) returns to the Liberty, there best bet would be for a Braxton-Powell trade. Have Pierson go back to 6th woman of the year, Carson starts at SF Maybe the trade could be Braxton & Powell to Tulsa for the #4 pick(Stricklen) & Amer Holt. Add in the #7 pick(Novosel or Hayes) and the Liberty could look like this:

PG: Mitchell/KMiller
SG: Pondexter/Stricklen/Novosel
SF: Carson/Holt
PF: McCarville/Pierson
C: Vaughn/Hollingsworth

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Martini Man · Posted: 04/08/12 12:27 pm :::

I guess I've never seen what the big deal is about McCarville. I've never been impressed at all with her game.

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Just don't want her in Minnesota!

J-Spoon · Posted: 04/08/12 1:09 pm :::

bullsky · Posted: 04/08/12 2:03 pm :::

Yikes. This is pretty pathetic.

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