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CalwbbFan
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| Too bad you all discount Clarendon so much. She's better than many of you seem to think. Guess we'll find out on Monday what teams in the W think.
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| Posted: 04/12/13 7:55 pm ::: |
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| Too bad you all discount Clarendon so much. She's better than many of you seem to think. Guess we'll find out on Monday what teams in the W think. |
Yes, I liked how she played during the national title run. She can run a little point; she's decent from downtown (31.3%), and she has a very nice midrange game. Her overall FT% was only 69.9% so she needs to do some work at the charity stripe. Her pull up midrange jumper appears almost as reliable as a layup.
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RavenDog
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| Posted: 04/12/13 8:05 pm ::: |
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| Too bad you all discount Clarendon so much. She's better than many of you seem to think. Guess we'll find out on Monday what teams in the W think. |
How would you rank them?
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myrtle
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| Posted: 04/12/13 8:12 pm ::: |
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| Too bad you all discount Clarendon so much. She's better than many of you seem to think. Guess we'll find out on Monday what teams in the W think. |
She had a great tournament run and came up big in big games - all to the plus (and the reason she is even in the discussion). She also has 'heart' and 'motor.' This year she got her % up enough to not be terrible, but for a shooting guard, she's really not a great shooter, and she really isn't a PG and her defense is not great either. All those things to me point to a doubtful W career.
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| Posted: 04/12/13 8:41 pm ::: |
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| CalwbbFan wrote: |
| Too bad you all discount Clarendon so much. She's better than many of you seem to think. Guess we'll find out on Monday what teams in the W think. |
She had a great tournament run and came up big in big games - all to the plus (and the reason she is even in the discussion). She also has 'heart' and 'motor.' This year she got her % up enough to not be terrible, but for a shooting guard, she's really not a great shooter, and she really isn't a PG and her defense is not great either. All those things to me point to a doubtful W career. |
This also describes Mathies, but of course you value defense._________________
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| Posted: 04/12/13 8:49 pm ::: |
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| true. (and Mathies is much better from 3) but especially if a player doesn't have some other astoundingly good skill, they have to at least be a good defender.
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| Posted: 04/12/13 8:53 pm ::: |
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Chicago Sky draft preview
http://www.wnba.com/draft/2013/preview_2013_sky.html
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| "First of all, missing those two players (Prince and Fowles) was not the reason why we didn't make the playoffs," said Sky Head Coach Pokey Chatman. |
Come on, Pokey! Piph was lighting the league up and we were 7-1. It ain't no coincidence that we just start losing when she got hurt.
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| "And I know people are anxious about what direction we will go. So, let me be clear. It's quite simple. We sit down and assess our roster and the players we have, and then we look at the players available to us and make the smartest decision for the Chicago Sky. It's not really about 'this player is better than that player.' It's about which player can best improve the Chicago Sky." |
Pokey, you're scaring me..
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Speaking of improvement, Chatman also mentioned a Sky player who she felt made strides despite last season's team struggles.
"Courtney Vandersloot, I think she turned a corner last year," said Chatman of the third-year guard out of Gonzaga. "She had to learn the pace of the league, the physicality of the league and with last year being her second season, she showed some good signs." |
Unfortunately, this still won't be enough for people to stop the "Sky to the Sky" campaign.
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Areas of Improvement
Scoring
Three-Point Shooting
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Delle Donne - 26.0 PPG, 45.6 3FG%, 92.1 FT%
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Randy
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| Posted: 04/12/13 9:00 pm ::: |
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Raven,
BTW - notice that 3 coaches that went for "potential" and ignored Hayes last year all got fired - Whiz (Cain), Thibault (Dabo) and Trudi (Barrett, Novasel.
If Alexander falls that far, I hope the Dream pick her over Bentley. We don't really need her, but she'd be the best of the rest. |
Oooh, I think I've posted that a few times haven't I? "Potential gets you fired." |
So, we're saying three coaches got fired for not drafting a backup guard who shot 39% from the field and 30% beyond five feet? |
I guess not. I didn't realize she was that bad. But looks like you hit on the reason MM got fired. |
I thought she played better down the stretch, especially when McCoughtry wasn't with the team. Maybe some other Dream fans can attest to this because it seems she started very slow to begin the season. |
She broke her nose in the preseason and was running around with a mask for several weeks at the start of the season. She did play a lot better around mid season when she was starting for Angel.
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| Posted: 04/12/13 10:08 pm ::: |
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Chicago Sky draft preview
http://www.wnba.com/draft/2013/preview_2013_sky.html
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| "First of all, missing those two players (Prince and Fowles) was not the reason why we didn't make the playoffs," said Sky Head Coach Pokey Chatman. |
Come on, Pokey! Piph was lighting the league up and we were 7-1. It ain't no coincidence that we just start losing when she got hurt.
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| "And I know people are anxious about what direction we will go. So, let me be clear. It's quite simple. We sit down and assess our roster and the players we have, and then we look at the players available to us and make the smartest decision for the Chicago Sky. It's not really about 'this player is better than that player.' It's about which player can best improve the Chicago Sky." |
Pokey, you're scaring me..
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Speaking of improvement, Chatman also mentioned a Sky player who she felt made strides despite last season's team struggles.
"Courtney Vandersloot, I think she turned a corner last year," said Chatman of the third-year guard out of Gonzaga. "She had to learn the pace of the league, the physicality of the league and with last year being her second season, she showed some good signs." |
Unfortunately, this still won't be enough for people to stop the "Sky to the Sky" campaign.
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Areas of Improvement
Scoring
Three-Point Shooting
Free Throw Shooting |
Delle Donne - 26.0 PPG, 45.6 3FG%, 92.1 FT%
I rest my case.. |
Who were you making your case to?
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mavcarter
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| Posted: 04/12/13 10:10 pm ::: |
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| mavcarter wrote: |
Chicago Sky draft preview
http://www.wnba.com/draft/2013/preview_2013_sky.html
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| "First of all, missing those two players (Prince and Fowles) was not the reason why we didn't make the playoffs," said Sky Head Coach Pokey Chatman. |
Come on, Pokey! Piph was lighting the league up and we were 7-1. It ain't no coincidence that we just start losing when she got hurt.
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| "And I know people are anxious about what direction we will go. So, let me be clear. It's quite simple. We sit down and assess our roster and the players we have, and then we look at the players available to us and make the smartest decision for the Chicago Sky. It's not really about 'this player is better than that player.' It's about which player can best improve the Chicago Sky." |
Pokey, you're scaring me..
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Speaking of improvement, Chatman also mentioned a Sky player who she felt made strides despite last season's team struggles.
"Courtney Vandersloot, I think she turned a corner last year," said Chatman of the third-year guard out of Gonzaga. "She had to learn the pace of the league, the physicality of the league and with last year being her second season, she showed some good signs." |
Unfortunately, this still won't be enough for people to stop the "Sky to the Sky" campaign.
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Areas of Improvement
Scoring
Three-Point Shooting
Free Throw Shooting |
Delle Donne - 26.0 PPG, 45.6 3FG%, 92.1 FT%
I rest my case.. |
Who were you making your case to? |
No one, just felt like saying it._________________
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| Posted: 04/13/13 12:43 am ::: |
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I might try one more Sunday night because Heck I enjoy making lists but this is meant to be my final prediction.
1. PX Griner
2. Chi EDD
3. Tulsa Diggins
here is where it gets hard
4. Wash Hill their need is too great at SG to pass up the best scoring option on the board.
5. NY Bone bigger/stronger is BL motto, she can learn from Ford and Braxton.
6. SEA Faris Seattle looking to 2014 decides to go with a strong defensive fit and compliment to Bird, Wright and Stricklen for the future.
7. NY Rodgers fits the bigger/stronger mold can learn from and compliment Pondexter, Carson and Smith. Offense off the bench.
8 Hawkins Hughes in shock that she's there picks Hawkins while NY is still on the clock.
9. Ind Young fits nicely behind Catch in the line up.
10. LA Mathies Best 3 point shooter and defender of the remaining combo guard choices.
11. Conn Alexander AD coached against her last season and is psyched for a quality big, she can come on slowly behind Charles.
12. Minn Clarendon a little bit of a surprise but defense, flexibilty and IQ make her a decent replacement for Wiggins.
round 2 mostly for fun
13 Atlanta Bentley they need someone who can play the 1 and defend
14 Minn L. Moore thinking that J-Mac is replacing Taj, and Adair, Peters and Harris can grow into covering the post they look for a back up PG spot that Thorn vacated.
15 NY Walker bigger/stronger defender off the bench at the 3
16 SA Goodrich lucking out with Hawkins round one means no more spots in SA, but Goodrich has that Tully vibe so maybe Hughes takes a look.
17 Wash S. Smith someone needs to back up Curry
18 Seattle C. Davis they still need some posts
19 Wash Jeffreys is she better than Ajevon or Novosel Maybe, can she cover the point for 10 minutes probably, should she have fallen this far doubtful.
20 SA Penn Why not audition one more post
21 Seattle Brewer why not audition one more post
22 LA C Hopkins maybe LA does need a back up PG
23 Conn Leonor Rodriguez Why not? thought I'd try someone different.
24 Minn Rolle give her a training camp this year to see if she's got something, maybe bring her back in the future, if one of your young bigs doesn't work out.
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Randy
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| Posted: 04/13/13 5:47 am ::: |
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I might try one more Sunday night because Heck I enjoy making lists but this is meant to be my final prediction.
1. PX Griner
2. Chi EDD
3. Tulsa Diggins
here is where it gets hard
4. Wash Hill their need is too great at SG to pass up the best scoring option on the board.
5. NY Bone bigger/stronger is BL motto, she can learn from Ford and Braxton.
6. SEA Faris Seattle looking to 2014 decides to go with a strong defensive fit and compliment to Bird, Wright and Stricklen for the future.
7. NY Rodgers fits the bigger/stronger mold can learn from and compliment Pondexter, Carson and Smith. Offense off the bench.
8 Hawkins Hughes in shock that she's there picks Hawkins while NY is still on the clock.
9. Ind Young fits nicely behind Catch in the line up.
10. LA Mathies Best 3 point shooter and defender of the remaining combo guard choices.
11. Conn Alexander AD coached against her last season and is psyched for a quality big, she can come on slowly behind Charles.
12. Minn Clarendon a little bit of a surprise but defense, flexibilty and IQ make her a decent replacement for Wiggins.
round 2 mostly for fun
13 Atlanta Bentley they need someone who can play the 1 and defend
14 Minn L. Moore thinking that J-Mac is replacing Taj, and Adair, Peters and Harris can grow into covering the post they look for a back up PG spot that Thorn vacated.
15 NY Walker bigger/stronger defender off the bench at the 3
16 SA Goodrich lucking out with Hawkins round one means no more spots in SA, but Goodrich has that Tully vibe so maybe Hughes takes a look.
17 Wash S. Smith someone needs to back up Curry
18 Seattle C. Davis they still need some posts
19 Wash Jeffreys is she better than Ajevon or Novosel Maybe, can she cover the point for 10 minutes probably, should she have fallen this far doubtful.
20 SA Penn Why not audition one more post
21 Seattle Brewer why not audition one more post
22 LA C Hopkins maybe LA does need a back up PG
23 Conn Leonor Rodriguez Why not? thought I'd try someone different.
24 Minn Rolle give her a training camp this year to see if she's got something, maybe bring her back in the future, if one of your young bigs doesn't work out. |
Youe draft would certainly work out really well for most teams, if it falls that way. I'd argue a few points, but overall this one is hard to improve upon. If both Moore and Bentley are available at 13 I'd go for Moore. We have plenty of good defenders on the Dream.
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Rebecca Lobo @RebeccaLobo 12 Apr
I'm excited to watch two OSU players in the WNBA this summer : Ohio State's Tayler Hill and Oklahoma State's Toni Young.
Rebecca Lobo @RebeccaLobo 12 Apr
@JPQ904 Griner will go first . Then EDD, then Diggins. Libs might get Bone, Hill, Young or Hawkins.
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Yeah, Lobo's been convinced EDD was going #2 for ages. There were several comments and tweets from her during the NCAA tournament about seeing her play for the Sky. Should Chatman pull a surprise and go with Diggins, one of the most amusing aspects will be seeing Rebecca's jaw drop on ESPN2  . |
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| Posted: 04/13/13 11:29 am ::: |
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| Too bad you all discount Clarendon so much. She's better than many of you seem to think. Guess we'll find out on Monday what teams in the W think. |
Here's what Laimbeer thinks:
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If you valued Clarendon's Tournament play at the highest, that would mean she would move from mid 2nd Round to upperish 2nd round. I think you're trying to move her up about 12 or more spots.
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| Posted: 04/13/13 12:26 pm ::: |
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Power back and another stab at a Draft:
1. Phoenix - Brittney Griner
2. Chicago - Elena Delle Donne
3. Tulsa - Skylar Diggins
4. Washington - Tayler Hill
5. New York - Kelsey Bone
6. Seattle - Kelly Faris
7. New York - Sugar Rodgers
8. San Antonio - Tianna Hawkins
9. Indiana - Toni Young
10. Los Angeles- Layshia Clarenden
11. Connecticut - A'dia Mathies
12. Minnesota - Lindsey Moore
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| Posted: 04/13/13 1:27 pm ::: |
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A note on Clarendon, who I first saw in high school:
The least effective shot in basketball, in terms of points produced per shot, is the midrange jumper. The reason few shoot it is that it doesn't help you win as much as threes or shots close to the basket. (Also, it's a very difficult shot that requires great leg strength.)
I'm not convinced Clarendon does anything well at the WNBA level, and it also seemed like she couldn't really consistently dominate games in the Pac-12. But she's a good basketball player with no real weaknesses either.
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| Posted: 04/13/13 1:56 pm ::: |
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Washington might regret trading the #7 for Vaughn.
They could've landing Bone & Hill,Hawkins or Young.
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| Posted: 04/13/13 3:57 pm ::: |
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Washington might regret trading the #7 for Vaughn.
They could've landing Bone & Hill,Hawkins or Young. |
If he had known Bone was coming out, yeah I would say so. But not knowing that, I think he covered his bases.
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