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readyAIMfire53
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| I'll take my chances with Alana Beard rather than see Jasmine Thomas starting. |
OK, that's just hate. Nobody in the business that is the pro game should take any more 'chances' with Alana. If she shows she can play her game again, then by ALL MEANS keep her. If she's unable to demonstrate she can play, then the business needs to move on. As Jasmine was clearly one of the three brightest spots on the team this season (along with Lang, Mo and a lesser extent Matee), it's just hate to express a preference for a player who can no longer play (if that is the case).
I know Jasmine's game pretty well, so I know she needs a particular kind of player on the floor with her in order to succeed. She has to share the backcourt with another guard with excellent PG skills. If she plays alongside the right kind of player, she will continue to be a bright spot for this team. If she plays with a non playmaking, pure shooting guard, it will not maximize her skillset and she will turn the ball over too much. It's all about the chemistry and whether the Mystics FO will suddenly gain a clue about this essential piece of putting together a successful team. |
Is Jasmine a true PG? I really can't tell. She seems to be a scorer--although her shot is pretty ugly at times, but can she set her teammates up and run an offense. At Duke, they had a terrible offensive team and she was the PG. Although they won many games it was always her carrying the scoring load. I don't see her as an elite PG like Lindsey Harding. |
Short answer is "no" Jasmine is not a "true" PG. There are certain parts of the job she does very well, and others, not so much. This is why she would be able to contribute best alongside another guard with PG skills. She is a good ball handler and good slasher, both to get herself to the hoop or to set up a teammate by getting defenders out of position. She's not as great at traditional half court offense.
The player she seems to me to be closest to is Deanna Nolan, except with more PG skills, and obviously less proven ability to score. I've seen her midrange game look very similar to Nolan's, though clearly not at the same level right now. Her speed and hops are very similar to Deanna's and she's a pretty good defender. In fact, she defended Lindsey pretty well in the first game of the back-to-back against Atlanta, as well as scoring on Lindsey.
I don't think Duke's sucky offense should be blamed on Jasmine. More than anything else, the uncreative offense made all the players look worse than they actually are.
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| Posted: 09/06/11 10:57 pm ::: |
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| It seems to me that the Mystics are in the worst position in the whole league in terms of how long it may take them to get back to being a good team. And yeah, I took the Shock into consideration. It's just a shame.
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| Posted: 09/07/11 12:30 pm ::: |
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| Never say die! NY has made a miraculous recovery. Maybe a Cappie will demand to be traded to the Mystics and Sheila's crapshoot will hit the jackpot with a competent coach.... and there they'll go.
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| Posted: 09/10/11 7:05 pm ::: |
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I can't see Coleman and Lacey co-existing either. But I'm not sure the Mystics release her. Mo needs a good backup and Gardin isn't it. If Coleman could accept the role, she might be able to turn herself around. And Coleman sells tickets. |
Why in the world wouldn't she accept that role? She has proven she isn't a capable starter in the league, so its backup or nothing. If a player of that caliber won't accept that role, she is an attitude and ego I wouldn't want anywhere near my team. |
Remember she was a star in college and the #2 pick so cut her some slack as far as accepting a back up role. I think she can. I watched her for many years in college--more than anything she wants to win. For years, Lang and Toliver scored the big points and she did whatever was asked of her. |
Exactly - Coleman does whatever's asked of her. Period. It's called coachable. And unfortunately none of us is in practices/team meetings to know what the hell Lacey has asked of anyone. I still feel from a coaching standpoint, she is over her head. Period.
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Let's say Alana comes back relatively healthy next season.
PG: Jasmine Thomas/Kelly Miller
SG: Alana Beard/Matee Ajavon
SF: Monique Currie/Victioria Dunlap/Kerri Gardin
PF: Crystal Langhorne
C: Nicky Anosike
I think they gotta trade Coleman and then pick up a post in the draft.
That's really not a bad team.
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| Posted: 09/10/11 8:45 pm ::: |
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Let's say Alana comes back relatively healthy next season.
PG: Jasmine Thomas/Kelly Miller
SG: Alana Beard/Matee Ajavon
SF: Monique Currie/Victioria Dunlap/Kerri Gardin
PF: Crystal Langhorne
C: Nicky Anosike
I think they gotta trade Coleman and then pick up a post in the draft.
That's really not a bad team. |
Dunlap is getting NO playing time. Hard to believe she figures in the Mystics' future.
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| Posted: 09/10/11 8:48 pm ::: |
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Let's say Alana comes back relatively healthy next season.
PG: Jasmine Thomas/Kelly Miller
SG: Alana Beard/Matee Ajavon
SF: Monique Currie/Victioria Dunlap/Kerri Gardin
PF: Crystal Langhorne
C: Nicky Anosike
I think they gotta trade Coleman and then pick up a post in the draft.
That's really not a bad team. |
Dunlap is getting NO playing time. Hard to believe she figures in the Mystics' future. |
I'm not going to argue that, and I know where your frustration comes from on the subject, but I would honestly hope Dunlap figures more into the future than DeMya Walker, who will probably be a grandmother before Dunlap gets any significant PT...
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| Posted: 09/10/11 10:17 pm ::: |
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Let's say Alana comes back relatively healthy next season.
PG: Jasmine Thomas/Kelly Miller
SG: Alana Beard/Matee Ajavon
SF: Monique Currie/Victioria Dunlap/Kerri Gardin
PF: Crystal Langhorne
C: Nicky Anosike
I think they gotta trade Coleman and then pick up a post in the draft.
That's really not a bad team. |
Dunlap is getting NO playing time. Hard to believe she figures in the Mystics' future. |
I'm not going to argue that, and I know where your frustration comes from on the subject, but I would honestly hope Dunlap figures more into the future than DeMya Walker, who will probably be a grandmother before Dunlap gets any significant PT... |
What future?
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| Posted: 09/11/11 9:01 am ::: |
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What future? |
Okay, let's play:
BLOW UP THE TEAM AND START OVER
Rules:
1. Fire Sheila
2. Oops, we're not Ted or able to buy her out
3. Fire Trudi GM and Trudi Coach
4. Hire new GM/Coach (beg Brian Winters to take the job) or your pick for the job
5. Sign new GM/Coach to THREE year contract
6. Players to keep
7. Players to cut or let go (UFA or RFA)
8. Players to trade
9. Other team's UFA/RFA to go after
10. Rebuild through the draft (see #8 - the only way to make the 2012 draft meaningful)
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| Posted: 09/11/11 9:15 am ::: |
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What future? |
Okay, let's play:
BLOW UP THE TEAM AND START OVER
Rules:
1. Fire Sheila
2. Oops, we're not Ted or able to buy her out
3. Fire Trudi GM and Trudi Coach
4. Hire new GM/Coach (beg Brian Winters to take the job) or your pick for the job
5. Sign new GM/Coach to THREE year contract
6. Players to keep
7. Players to cut or let go (UFA or RFA)
8. Players to trade
9. Other team's UFA/RFA to go after
10. Rebuild through the draft (see #8 - the only way to make the 2012 draft meaningful) |
1. Oprah buys out Sheila (Sheila returns focus to business she's actually good at)
2. Hee hee...
3. Trudi...you're fired
4. Oprah's not afraid to hire the person most likely to be successful, even if it's a white male
5. Oprah wants a 5 yr contract but owner's group talks her down to 3 yrs
6. Players to keep - Lang, Mo, Jasmine, Alana (if she proves by December she can play)
7-10 to be completed when complete list of UFA, RFA is available
Additional consideration - hire a special consultant for Marissa Coleman, either by someone how getting around the rule where NCAA head coach cannot be hired so the Brenda can be hired or someone else whose job will be to get in Rissa's face and tell her the truth as boldly and loudly as she needs it to become the player she can be.
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| Posted: 09/11/11 12:40 pm ::: |
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What future? |
Okay, let's play:
BLOW UP THE TEAM AND START OVER
Rules:
1. Fire Sheila
2. Oops, we're not Ted or able to buy her out
3. Fire Trudi GM and Trudi Coach
4. Hire new GM/Coach (beg Brian Winters to take the job) or your pick for the job
5. Sign new GM/Coach to THREE year contract
6. Players to keep
7. Players to cut or let go (UFA or RFA)
8. Players to trade
9. Other team's UFA/RFA to go after
10. Rebuild through the draft (see #8 - the only way to make the 2012 draft meaningful) |
1. Oprah buys out Sheila (Sheila returns focus to business she's actually good at)
2. Hee hee...
3. Trudi...you're fired
4. Oprah's not afraid to hire the person most likely to be successful, even if it's a white male
5. Oprah wants a 5 yr contract but owner's group talks her down to 3 yrs
6. Players to keep - Lang, Mo, Jasmine, Alana (if she proves by December she can play)
7-10 to be completed when complete list of UFA, RFA is available
Additional consideration - hire a special consultant for Marissa Coleman, either by someone how getting around the rule where NCAA head coach cannot be hired so the Brenda can be hired or someone else whose job will be to get in Rissa's face and tell her the truth as boldly and loudly as she needs it to become the player she can be. |
Maybe she already knows the truth and plans on working on her game in the off season. A player with her talent who has been playing as long as she has been playing, I'm sure understands what she needs to work on. Give her some credit. I don't think any player who has achieved the success she has achieved is just going to sit around and be happy with where there at. They are always working on improving.
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| Posted: 09/11/11 5:40 pm ::: |
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Additional consideration - hire a special consultant for Marissa Coleman, either by someone how getting around the rule where NCAA head coach cannot be hired so the Brenda can be hired or someone else whose job will be to get in Rissa's face and tell her the truth as boldly and loudly as she needs it to become the player she can be. |
Maybe she already knows the truth and plans on working on her game in the off season. A player with her talent who has been playing as long as she has been playing, I'm sure understands what she needs to work on. Give her some credit. I don't think any player who has achieved the success she has achieved is just going to sit around and be happy with where there at. They are always working on improving. |
Sorry terps, Rissa hasn't had enough success in the pro game to satisfy me that she knows what she needs to do to get better. Lang looked just as loss her rookie year and had a substantial disadvantage for her position (height). She had two specific things to work on: shooting outside two feet and post defense. I could be wrong, but I see similar potential from Marissa, but she's had two offseasons to adjust her game and/or improve specific skills. You may not agree with this, but Gardin going ahead of Rissa in the rotation is directly on Marissa, not Trudi. It's up to Marissa to show in practice and games that she can help make the whole team play better.
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| Posted: 09/12/11 3:39 pm ::: |
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So going by this week's Mystics Magazine, Coleman's not returning, they talk about Matee and Marissa parting ways and Jasmine's line about being her best friend one day "next summer" says to me it isn't just for the winter break.
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http://www.wnba.com/mystics/multimedia/mysmag_8x5.html
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| Posted: 09/12/11 7:29 pm ::: |
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So going by this week's Mystics Magazine, Coleman's not returning, they talk about Matee and Marissa parting ways and Jasmine's line about being her best friend one day "next summer" says to me it isn't just for the winter break.
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http://www.wnba.com/mystics/multimedia/mysmag_8x5.html |
They were talking about parting ways--as in playing overseas on different teams. Although who knows if Marissa is coming back--would not surprise me if she isn't but that's not what they were referring to in the segment. Marissa talked about what a joy it was to see Trudy come into her head coaching role. Blah, blah, blah. I guess it's the party line because I'm guessing there is no way she really feels that way.
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| Posted: 09/12/11 7:34 pm ::: |
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Additional consideration - hire a special consultant for Marissa Coleman, either by someone how getting around the rule where NCAA head coach cannot be hired so the Brenda can be hired or someone else whose job will be to get in Rissa's face and tell her the truth as boldly and loudly as she needs it to become the player she can be. |
Maybe she already knows the truth and plans on working on her game in the off season. A player with her talent who has been playing as long as she has been playing, I'm sure understands what she needs to work on. Give her some credit. I don't think any player who has achieved the success she has achieved is just going to sit around and be happy with where there at. They are always working on improving. |
Sorry terps, Rissa hasn't had enough success in the pro game to satisfy me that she knows what she needs to do to get better. Lang looked just as loss her rookie year and had a substantial disadvantage for her position (height). She had two specific things to work on: shooting outside two feet and post defense. I could be wrong, but I see similar potential from Marissa, but she's had two offseasons to adjust her game and/or improve specific skills. You may not agree with this, but Gardin going ahead of Rissa in the rotation is directly on Marissa, not Trudi. It's up to Marissa to show in practice and games that she can help make the whole team play better. |
Don't be ridiculous, Marissa Coleman is a professional basketball player. You don't think she knows what she needs to work on? You don't think people she is close to aren't telling her because they want to see her get better and succeed? Give me a break. I'm sorry, I just don't think Gardin played "better" than Coleman. I don't. You can, but I don't. I'm not saying she played great. Clearly, she didn't take Mo's spot away. And we don't know how she was in practice. I don't and neither do you. I think we both agree that she needs to improve her play.
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| Posted: 09/14/11 7:50 pm ::: |
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Mystics looking forward after dreadful WNBA season
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| “Our intent is to keep Crystal here as long as we can,” said Lacey, who also is the team’s general manager. |
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| Currie’s “stock certainly went up for me,” Lacey said. “I was so impressed with her determination and her competitiveness and her toughness. She is definitely somebody we would love to have come back.” |
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| Lacey said she has not yet decided whether she’ll attempt to re-sign veteran guard Alana Beard, whose past two seasons have been derailed by foot and ankle injuries. Beard is continuing to rehabilitate her left foot. |
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Ajavon, who was the team’s second-leading scorer, also is an unrestricted free agent. Lacey said she didn’t “want to speak too soon” as to whether Washington will attempt to re-sign Ajavon, but the coach noted Ajavon “gained some valuable experience” this season.
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| Lacey did say that she plans to try to re-sign forwards DeMya Walker and Kerri Gardin, two midseason acquisitions who ended up in the starting lineup down the stretch. |
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| While Lacey said it was too early to say whether Thomas would be the team’s starting point guard next season, she did call Thomas “an extension of me on the floor.” |
Yes, we could tell...
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| Posted: 09/14/11 7:55 pm ::: |
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| Ajavon isn't an unrestricted FA. I guess it doesn't matter anyway because Tulsa will probably try to acquire her.
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| Posted: 09/14/11 8:18 pm ::: |
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Ajavon's old Rutger teammate buddies play for NY. She's from NJ. And Whiz likes athletic players who can play defense.
If my name was Marissa, I'd put a stamp on my ass and jump in the nearest mailbox.
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The answer with most teams, with companies, whatever ... is usually the same thing: Developing consistency and stability. The Mystics have done exactly the opposite for much of their existence. I'm not telling you anything you don't know, of course. The Mystics wanted to save money last year and combine the coach/GM jobs. This after their most successful season in which they'd started to develop a little stability. So yet again, they undermined any sense that their fans could count on stability. I would say now they need to find yet *another* coach/GM for next year and then just get out of the way. But I don't sense SJ will ever get out of the way.
Two losses to them them THIS season was too much to stomach.