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PostPosted: 09/12/14 12:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Yes but when what this calculated given the turnover that yes added an older Cash and middling aged Houston but also dumped a 40 year old DMJ and a past her prime Braxton LOL


It's a weighted average based on the number of minutes each player played for the team.



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http://www.swishappeal.com/2014/10/8/6946205/how-old-is-the-wnba

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Some people seem to think the Merc with Griner and Taurasi are a dynasty in the making. I don't see it.



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PostPosted: 10/09/14 4:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

From ESPNW Summitt

Video of discussion on "The State of the WNBA".

http://espn.go.com/espnw/summit/


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From ESPNW Summitt

Video of discussion on "The State of the WNBA".

http://espn.go.com/espnw/summit/


That's from last year's summit, as evidenced by Adam Silver being called Deputy Commissioner of the NBA.



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Interesting. After spending most of its 17 yrs as one of the youngest to middling teams, never thought I'd see the day the Lynx would be the oldest team in the league .... guess that's what happens with time ..... and when you trade all your youth and future picks for players above the mean/median/weighted ave age Neutral

2006 mean ave was the lowest/youngest. 2006 was the yr the Lynx opened the season with what had to be one of the youngest starting line-ups in league history-my how time flies.

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And to pound that dead equine one more time ...

An athlete's prime is clearly age 27 (with exceptions, of course). Expecting a 30-year-old to play at the same level as she did at 27 is simply wishful thinking.



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And to pound that dead equine one more time ...

An athlete's prime is clearly age 27 (with exceptions, of course). Expecting a 30-year-old to play at the same level as she did at 27 is simply wishful thinking.


On average, yes. Individuals can vary greatly, however.



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And to pound that dead equine one more time ...

An athlete's prime is clearly age 27 (with exceptions, of course). Expecting a 30-year-old to play at the same level as she did at 27 is simply wishful thinking.


....tell THAT to Taj or Serena! Wink



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Average Age of All WNBA

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year        avg        30+      under 25

1997        28.2        4         5
1998        29.5        6         1
1999        27.3        2         4
2000        28.2        3         1
2001        27.6        3         1
2002        26.8        2         3
2003        25.1        2         7
2004        26.4        2         4
2005        28.5        4         3
2006        27.7        3         3
2007        26.7        2         2
2008        27.6        2         2
2009        28.6        3         1
2010        26.5        2         4
2011        27.5        3         2
2012        27.0        2         2
2013        27.6        3         3
2014        26.6        3         3
2015        27.3        1         1



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PostPosted: 10/08/15 9:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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And to pound that dead equine one more time ...

An athlete's prime is clearly age 27 (with exceptions, of course). Expecting a 30-year-old to play at the same level as she did at 27 is simply wishful thinking.


....tell THAT to Taj or Serena! Wink


Tina Thompson - I don't think missed a step up to retirement.



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Average Age of All WNBA

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year        avg        30+      under 25

1997        28.2        4         5
1998        29.5        6         1
1999        27.3        2         4
2000        28.2        3         1
2001        27.6        3         1
2002        26.8        2         3
2003        25.1        2         7
2004        26.4        2         4
2005        28.5        4         3
2006        27.7        3         3
2007        26.7        2         2
2008        27.6        2         2
2009        28.6        3         1
2010        26.5        2         4
2011        27.5        3         2
2012        27.0        2         2
2013        27.6        3         3
2014        26.6        3         3
2015        27.3        1         1


What are the 30+ and under 25 columns displaying?


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tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:
Average Age of All WNBA

Code:
year        avg        30+      under 25

1997        28.2        4         5
1998        29.5        6         1
1999        27.3        2         4
2000        28.2        3         1
2001        27.6        3         1
2002        26.8        2         3
2003        25.1        2         7
2004        26.4        2         4
2005        28.5        4         3
2006        27.7        3         3
2007        26.7        2         2
2008        27.6        2         2
2009        28.6        3         1
2010        26.5        2         4
2011        27.5        3         2
2012        27.0        2         2
2013        27.6        3         3
2014        26.6        3         3
2015        27.3        1         1


What are the 30+ and under 25 columns displaying?


It's the number of players on the team who were either 30+ years old or under 25 years old as of July 1st of that season. Only Catchings is 30+ this year while only Griner is under 25.



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pilight wrote:
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What are the 30+ and under 25 columns displaying?


It's the number of players on the team who were either 30+ years old or under 25 years old as of July 1st of that season. Only Catchings is 30+ this year while only Griner is under 25.


D'oh! I mis-read "All WNBA" as "the WNBA".


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tfan wrote:
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tfan wrote:


What are the 30+ and under 25 columns displaying?


It's the number of players on the team who were either 30+ years old or under 25 years old as of July 1st of that season. Only Catchings is 30+ this year while only Griner is under 25.


D'oh! I mis-read "All WNBA" as "the WNBA".

Laughing I did the same. Was thinking that it was the average age of the league as a whole.

This makes more sense now.



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I think it's clear Minnesota's goal in the offseason is to get some young talent on their team. Whalen, Augustus & Brunson likely only have a few years left.



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justintyme wrote:
tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:


What are the 30+ and under 25 columns displaying?


It's the number of players on the team who were either 30+ years old or under 25 years old as of July 1st of that season. Only Catchings is 30+ this year while only Griner is under 25.


D'oh! I mis-read "All WNBA" as "the WNBA".

Laughing I did the same. Was thinking that it was the average age of the league as a whole.

This makes more sense now.


I did the whole league a few posts earlier, including a percentage of players who were under 30.



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I think it's clear Minnesota's goal in the offseason is to get some young talent on their team. Whalen, Augustus & Brunson likely only have a few years left.

I'm not sure about that. They talked about it with the Fowles trade, and the focus is all about the window. Trading young talent for Fowles was meant to extend the window for a few years. They are going all in on as many Championships as possible in this time and their decisions are based upon short term maximization rather than building for the future. Sort of like how the Storm did it. They aren't going to worry about the next crop until this window closes.



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Where are they meant to get this young talent from, considering they're not likely to be trading any of their core stars? I'm sure they'd love to add some youth to prepare for the future, but it's pretty clear that they're trying to win now above all else. Two young pieces and a pick for Fowles; Wright for a Montgomery rental; another pick for Cruz; adding Asjha Jones rather than trusting the young posts that were already on the roster - they're all short-term moves to maximise their chances of a title right now.

The rebuild will come, but it'll presumably be around Maya Moore. That's a pretty nice place to start.



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Where are they meant to get this young talent from, considering they're not likely to be trading any of their core stars? I'm sure they'd love to add some youth to prepare for the future, but it's pretty clear that they're trying to win now above all else. Two young pieces and a pick for Fowles; Wright for a Montgomery rental; another pick for Cruz; adding Asjha Jones rather than trusting the young posts that were already on the roster - they're all short-term moves to maximise their chances of a title right now.

The rebuild will come, but it'll presumably be around Maya Moore. That's a pretty nice place to start.


Imagine, though, the Lynx without Whalen, Augustus and Brunson. That's three crucial pieces to replace, and they all look vulnerable right now. Minnesota could easily win this series, and this title, but the window of opportunity is sliding shut pretty quickly.



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Imagine, though, the Lynx without Whalen, Augustus and Brunson. That's three crucial pieces to replace, and they all look vulnerable right now. Minnesota could easily win this series, and this title, but the window of opportunity is sliding shut pretty quickly.


I wonder if Minnesota would even be in the finals if Fowles hadn't demanded a trade there.


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ClayK wrote:
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Where are they meant to get this young talent from, considering they're not likely to be trading any of their core stars? I'm sure they'd love to add some youth to prepare for the future, but it's pretty clear that they're trying to win now above all else. Two young pieces and a pick for Fowles; Wright for a Montgomery rental; another pick for Cruz; adding Asjha Jones rather than trusting the young posts that were already on the roster - they're all short-term moves to maximise their chances of a title right now.

The rebuild will come, but it'll presumably be around Maya Moore. That's a pretty nice place to start.


Imagine, though, the Lynx without Whalen, Augustus and Brunson. That's three crucial pieces to replace, and they all look vulnerable right now. Minnesota could easily win this series, and this title, but the window of opportunity is sliding shut pretty quickly.

They are also injured. Once healthy they have a couple good years left. Especially Whalen who has proven extremely durable in her career. Just last year she was dominating.

Brunson has looked extremely good this year. She was snubbed by not being put on the all-defense team. And she completely destroyed the Merc in the WCF. Whike she is getting older, she still is far from done.

But as a worst-case scenario, say Brunson and Augustus become high end bench players for a couple years; that would mean the Lynx would be anchored by Moore, Whalen, and Fowles. Add a quality vet into that mix and they are in the talk for championships over the next few years. Or if JMac comes back, her and Brunson could easily split time.

Not to mention Peters is an underrated player who I think would find much more consistency if she was thrust into a bigger role.

Yeah, there is no need for a youth movement yet. Play it out till its empty then rebuild.



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tfan wrote:
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Imagine, though, the Lynx without Whalen, Augustus and Brunson. That's three crucial pieces to replace, and they all look vulnerable right now. Minnesota could easily win this series, and this title, but the window of opportunity is sliding shut pretty quickly.


I wonder if Minnesota would even be in the finals if Fowles hadn't demanded a trade there.

With a 100% healthy Whalen and Augustus? Yes, without a doubt.

With them injured, not a chance.

That was the reason the Lynx wanted Fowles so much. Reeve noted that Fowles adds another few years to their championship gathering window.



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The issue with older players isn't ability, it's durability.

Well, Whalen doesn't have much quickness to lose, but healthy, she's still a very good point guard. But older players, especially in a physical sport like basketball, are hurt more often, and thus can't be relied on as confidently.

Both Brunson and Augustus have had serious injuries/physical ailments in the past, and at some point, staying on the court is as difficult as playing well.



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They are also injured. Once healthy they have a couple good years left. Especially Whalen who has proven extremely durable in her career. Just last year she was dominating.

Brunson has looked extremely good this year. She was snubbed by not being put on the all-defense team. And she completely destroyed the Merc in the WCF. Whike she is getting older, she still is far from done.

But as a worst-case scenario, say Brunson and Augustus become high end bench players for a couple years; that would mean the Lynx would be anchored by Moore, Whalen, and Fowles. Add a quality vet into that mix and they are in the talk for championships over the next few years. Or if JMac comes back, her and Brunson could easily split time.

Not to mention Peters is an underrated player who I think would find much more consistency if she was thrust into a bigger role.

Yeah, there is no need for a youth movement yet. Play it out till its empty then rebuild.

This is rather optimistic, but I'm not buying.
Core vets like (my Big 3) Augustus, Brunson & Whalen don't come off the bench. If it came to that, they start and play far fewer mins. Their skills will fall off quicker then their b-ball IQs and savvy. While they are the foundation, you don't build around them, there is a need to find their replacements to support/build around Maya.

Whalen has taken a pounding during her career and it takes its toll yr by yr. She also has had chronic ankle issues (more then 1 surgery IIRCC) and she ain't going to get any quicker regardless of how close to healthy she may be over the next 2 yrs. 'Mone & Brunson have been slowed by their own different knee issues. I absolutely think they still have something left in the tank but the Championship window after this season could becomes a just a crack because I have no idea who our reserves will be.

I don't expect Jones, KG or Kelly back; Cruz will be busy with her Nat'l team. Reene is a unrestricted FA, Dev, a RFA; not sure either is on the squad next season- no inside info, just don't know. Liston, well, she's still on a rookie contract. We got a roster to fill. And I'm not feeling a roster full of a bunch of "old(er)" players splitting time with each other as the way to stay contenders Laughing

Only way the Lynx get younger or quality help is steal/sign away some young(er) free agents and get REALLY lucky with some 2nd & 3rd round picks. Hoping the Lynx hold onto their 2017 1st rnd pick, I like that draft a lot.



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Old enough to be having better quality reffereeing!!!


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2016 update for All-WNBA Teams

Code:
year        avg        30+      under 25

1997        28.2        4         5
1998        29.5        6         1
1999        27.3        2         4
2000        28.2        3         1
2001        27.6        3         1
2002        26.8        2         3
2003        25.1        2         7
2004        26.4        2         4
2005        28.5        4         3
2006        27.7        3         3
2007        26.7        2         2
2008        27.6        2         2
2009        28.6        3         1
2010        26.5        2         4
2011        27.5        3         2
2012        27.0        2         2
2013        27.6        3         3
2014        26.6        3         3
2015        27.3        1         1
2016        27.6        3         2



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Notice the top 6 teams are all the 6 oldest.



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Notice the top 6 teams are all the 6 oldest.


Well, no. Atlanta was a top six seed and was one of the final six playoff teams without being one of the six oldest.



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pilight wrote:
2016 update for All-WNBA Teams

Code:
year        avg        30+      under 25

1997        28.2        4         5
1998        29.5        6         1
1999        27.3        2         4
2000        28.2        3         1
2001        27.6        3         1
2002        26.8        2         3
2003        25.1        2         7
2004        26.4        2         4
2005        28.5        4         3
2006        27.7        3         3
2007        26.7        2         2
2008        27.6        2         2
2009        28.6        3         1
2010        26.5        2         4
2011        27.5        3         2
2012        27.0        2         2
2013        27.6        3         3
2014        26.6        3         3
2015        27.3        1         1
2016        27.6        3         2


Just a note: Trading for a player 28 or older, it is clear that it is unreasonable to expect her to perform at an all-star level much longer.

Granted, there are exceptions, but in general, the younger the player, the more upside. The older, the more likely a decline.



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Granted, there are exceptions, but in general, the younger the player, the more upside. The older, the more likely a decline.

That's quite a groundbreaking piece of insight, Clay Wink



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Luuuc wrote:
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Granted, there are exceptions, but in general, the younger the player, the more upside. The older, the more likely a decline.

That's quite a groundbreaking piece of insight, Clay Wink


I keep saying this, and then some inevitably claim that I'm wrong, and that trading for a 30-year-old shooting guard will deliver three years of quality performance.



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Granted, there are exceptions, but in general, the younger the player, the more upside. The older, the more likely a decline.

That's quite a groundbreaking piece of insight, Clay Wink


I keep saying this, and then some inevitably claim that I'm wrong, and that trading for a 30-year-old shooting guard will deliver three years of quality performance.


It worked for Detroit when they traded for Katie Smith...



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ClayK wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
ClayK wrote:
Granted, there are exceptions, but in general, the younger the player, the more upside. The older, the more likely a decline.

That's quite a groundbreaking piece of insight, Clay Wink


I keep saying this, and then some inevitably claim that I'm wrong, and that trading for a 30-year-old shooting guard will deliver three years of quality performance.


It worked for Detroit when they traded for Katie Smith...


And it will work again the future ... but the odds are against teams that roll the dice on older players.



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http://www.swishappeal.com/2014/10/8/6946205/how-old-is-the-wnba

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Some people seem to think the Merc with Griner and Taurasi are a dynasty in the making. I don't see it.

2014 was when it peaked. 2014 was when it ended.


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Who is the youngest player ever to play a WNBA game?

Question for Clay: If 27 is the perfect age, would the same players be better at 25 or 29? (Just for that one year, not as long term investments.)
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Who is the youngest player ever to play a WNBA game?


Maria Stepanova, who was 19 years, 108 days old when she debuted in 1998. Five other players have debuted at age 19:

Liz Cambage
Astou Ndour
Bernadette Ngoyisa
Kristen Veal
Ann Wauters

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If 27 is the perfect age, would the same players be better at 25 or 29? (Just for that one year, not as long term investments.)


27 is the peak year on average, but individuals can vary greatly. Nikki Teasley was washed up by the time she turned 28. Sheryl Swoopes won the first of her three MVPs at 29.



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Who is the youngest player ever to play a WNBA game?

Question for Clay: If 27 is the perfect age, would the same players be better at 25 or 29? (Just for that one year, not as long term investments.)


In general, always opt for the younger player because the chance of injury is less -- but as pilight says, there's no way to know what will happen with a particular individual.



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pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Who is the youngest player ever to play a WNBA game?


Maria Stepanova, who was 19 years, 108 days old when she debuted in 1998. Five other players have debuted at age 19:

Liz Cambage
Astou Ndour
Bernadette Ngoyisa
Kristen Veal
Ann Wauters


How about the youngest American player -- that is, a player who was not eligible for the WNBA as an "international player" under Article VIII(1)(d) of the CBA.
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pilight wrote:
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Who is the youngest player ever to play a WNBA game?


Maria Stepanova, who was 19 years, 108 days old when she debuted in 1998. Five other players have debuted at age 19:

Liz Cambage
Astou Ndour
Bernadette Ngoyisa
Kristen Veal
Ann Wauters


How about the youngest American player -- that is, a player who was not eligible for the WNBA as an "international player" under Article VIII(1)(d) of the CBA.


The CBA has changed several times over the years, and there wasn't one until 1999. However, the youngest American born player to play in the WNBA was Quanitra Hollingsworth, who was 20 years, 203 days old when she debuted in 2009.



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pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Who is the youngest player ever to play a WNBA game?


Maria Stepanova, who was 19 years, 108 days old when she debuted in 1998. Five other players have debuted at age 19:

Liz Cambage
Astou Ndour
Bernadette Ngoyisa
Kristen Veal
Ann Wauters


How about the youngest American player -- that is, a player who was not eligible for the WNBA as an "international player" under Article VIII(1)(d) of the CBA.


The CBA has changed several times over the years, and there wasn't one until 1999. However, the youngest American born player to play in the WNBA was Quanitra Hollingsworth, who was 20 years, 203 days old when she debuted in 2009.


Didn't know that. How was she able to play under the CBA rules?



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pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Who is the youngest player ever to play a WNBA game?


Maria Stepanova, who was 19 years, 108 days old when she debuted in 1998. Five other players have debuted at age 19:

Liz Cambage
Astou Ndour
Bernadette Ngoyisa
Kristen Veal
Ann Wauters


How about the youngest American player -- that is, a player who was not eligible for the WNBA as an "international player" under Article VIII(1)(d) of the CBA.


The CBA has changed several times over the years, and there wasn't one until 1999. However, the youngest American born player to play in the WNBA was Quanitra Hollingsworth, who was 20 years, 203 days old when she debuted in 2009.


Didn't know that. How was she able to play under the CBA rules?


She used up all of her collegiate eligibility. She skipped two grades and graduated high school at 15.



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PostPosted: 06/13/17 6:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hey Pilight!

Would you have information on the average age of each team for 2017?

Btw, do you compile this yourself or is that information already compiled somewhere?


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Hey Pilight!

Would you have information on the average age of each team for 2017?

Btw, do you compile this yourself or is that information already compiled somewhere?


I compile it myself.

Usually I wait until the season is over so I can do weighted averages.



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Gotcha! Thanks for responding Smile


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PostPosted: 09/06/17 9:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Thanks pilight ...

As far as athletes go, the evidence in all sports is pretty clear: Don't trust anyone over 27.



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PostPosted: 09/06/17 9:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Thanks pilight ...

As far as athletes go, the evidence in all sports is pretty clear: Don't trust anyone over 27.


That's why I don't trust anybody on the Lynx, except Natasha Howard, Alexis Jones, Temi Fagbenle, & Cecilia Zandalasini. Smile


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PostPosted: 09/06/17 4:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Thanks pilight ...

As far as athletes go, the evidence in all sports is pretty clear: Don't trust anyone over 27.


Which is below the average age of the two best teams in the league.


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