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PostPosted: 02/26/10 1:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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Cappie Pondexter may be a great player, but she is definitely not worth Depree and a draft pick. That slate belongs to such players as Parker or Moore. Cappie is not even in their league. Therefore, only Depree-who is an excellent player as well-is worth Cappie. This would be a fair trade.



And the Dupree thing wouldn't work because isn't she making max?
IF Cappie is traded to Chicago it's all a money thing so it would have to be Big Syl who makes half a max.



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caune wrote:
Olnezi wrote:
Cappie Pondexter may be a great player, but she is definitely not worth Depree and a draft pick. That slate belongs to such players as Parker or Moore. Cappie is not even in their league. Therefore, only Depree-who is an excellent player as well-is worth Cappie. This would be a fair trade.



And the Dupree thing wouldn't work because isn't she making max?
IF Cappie is traded to Chicago it's all a money thing so it would have to be Big Syl who makes half a max.


Big Syl & 2011 1st Round Pick & Throw In Toliver & And We Have A Deal lol Embarassed !!



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I'm very much a "see-it-to-believe-it" kind of guy, so I will wait. Now, pardon me while I clutch my personally autographed by Pondexter shirt and pray Smile


Praying won't work, but sending her a book filled with love from the Merc fans might. It worked for us with LJ.



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I'll take Mazzante, we can cut spencer and it'd be a wash.

Unless the PSU and Portland hate is a bigger issue than Spencer's Politics, cuz that could undo any fans Pondexter would bring in. (Portland was a MAJOR thorn in the side of the RU fans in the Grentz era.



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I'll take Mazzante, we can cut spencer and it'd be a wash.

Unless the PSU and Portland hate is a bigger issue than Spencer's Politics, cuz that could undo any fans Pondexter would bring in. (Portland was a MAJOR thorn in the side of the RU fans in the Grentz era.


The trade with NY just does NOT work numbers wise. You only have one decent player, Jackson, who isn't making too much money and she doesn't really fit our teams needs. But hey a strat up Mazz for Spenser (if her contract isn't guaranteed) is fine by me Wink



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caune wrote:
Olnezi wrote:
Cappie Pondexter may be a great player, but she is definitely not worth Depree and a draft pick. That slate belongs to such players as Parker or Moore. Cappie is not even in their league. Therefore, only Depree-who is an excellent player as well-is worth Cappie. This would be a fair trade.



And the Dupree thing wouldn't work because isn't she making max?
IF Cappie is traded to Chicago it's all a money thing so it would have to be Big Syl who makes half a max.


Big Syl & 2011 1st Round Pick & Throw In Toliver & And We Have A Deal lol Embarassed !!


Math won't work, you'd have to take Mazz if we were to take Toliver and I'd do that to off load mazz money.
Syl, Toliver and 2011 ist round pick for Cappie and Mazz. Make us GM's and it's done Wink



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PostPosted: 02/26/10 2:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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The trade with NY just does NOT work numbers wise. You only have one decent player, Jackson, who isn't making too much money and she doesn't really fit our teams needs. But hey a strat up Mazz for Spenser (if her contract isn't guaranteed) is fine by me Wink


Any Cappie + Mazzante for Powell (or another max salary) + PAST 1st round pick (Jackson or Carson or Vaughn) works numbers-wise.
Cappie + Ohlde does not work for NY (would put them over the cap).

Someone much smarter than me did the math. Wink



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PostPosted: 02/26/10 2:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Or if the other team(s) want to be bitchy about it, any Cappie without Mazzante for that package trade works as well, just leaving the Merc in the same state they're in now: unable to pay Temeka Johnson without a trade to dump Mazz/Ohlde. Theoretically they could then use that extra piece (Tiff Jackson or whomever) to tempt another team into taking Mazzante, hence creating room to pay TJ. But then things are getting crazy complicated (and it basically becomes a three-way trade).

Even in this current situation they've gotta be hoping Cappie still holds enough value to create cap room as well as getting good talent back.
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caune wrote:
The trade with NY just does NOT work numbers wise. You only have one decent player, Jackson, who isn't making too much money and she doesn't really fit our teams needs. But hey a strat up Mazz for Spenser (if her contract isn't guaranteed) is fine by me Wink


Any Cappie + Mazzante for Powell (or another max salary) + PAST 1st round pick (Jackson or Carson or Vaughn) works numbers-wise.
Cappie + Ohlde does not work for NY (would put them over the cap).

Someone much smarter than me did the math. Wink


Math is equal but isn't the Mercury goal to clear space so it would have to be us getting players that make a lot less, right?



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caune wrote:
The trade with NY just does NOT work numbers wise. You only have one decent player, Jackson, who isn't making too much money and she doesn't really fit our teams needs. But hey a strat up Mazz for Spenser (if her contract isn't guaranteed) is fine by me Wink


Any Cappie + Mazzante for Powell (or another max salary) + PAST 1st round pick (Jackson or Carson or Vaughn) works numbers-wise.
Cappie + Ohlde does not work for NY (would put them over the cap).

Someone much smarter than me did the math. Wink


Math is equal but isn't the Mercury goal to clear space so it would have to be us getting players that make a lot less, right?


The only way the Merc don't clear any cap space is if they do a straight-up Cappie for Powell. You're sending Mazzante over and getting Jackson still on her rookie deal, so the money saved I supposed would be whatever Mazzante's making minus what Tiff is making (assuming it's Tiff).



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PostPosted: 02/26/10 2:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
BCBG's proposed trade up there saves you upwards of 40 or 50 grand (which is about what you need to pay TJ proper WNBA money).
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How did we get locked in to Powell? If I were the Merc, I'd much rather get McCarville and Carson than Powell and Jackson.



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How did we get locked in to Powell? If I were the Merc, I'd much rather get McCarville and Carson than Powell and Jackson.


And I'd say the Liberty would rather trade McCarville and Carson than Powell and Jackson. Wink



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BCBG's proposed trade up there saves you upwards of 40 or 50 grand (which is about what you need to pay TJ proper WNBA money).


how?



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caune wrote:
BCBG25 wrote:
caune wrote:
The trade with NY just does NOT work numbers wise. You only have one decent player, Jackson, who isn't making too much money and she doesn't really fit our teams needs. But hey a strat up Mazz for Spenser (if her contract isn't guaranteed) is fine by me Wink


Any Cappie + Mazzante for Powell (or another max salary) + PAST 1st round pick (Jackson or Carson or Vaughn) works numbers-wise.
Cappie + Ohlde does not work for NY (would put them over the cap).

Someone much smarter than me did the math. Wink


Math is equal but isn't the Mercury goal to clear space so it would have to be us getting players that make a lot less, right?


The only way the Merc don't clear any cap space is if they do a straight-up Cappie for Powell. You're sending Mazzante over and getting Jackson still on her rookie deal, so the money saved I supposed would be whatever Mazzante's making minus what Tiff is making (assuming it's Tiff).


only about 20 thousand by my numbers...which isn't enough, we need about 40 I think.

Plus Who the hell wants Powell?
Probably AMD Rolling Eyes to bookcase her with the stellar Oldhe



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caune wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
BCBG's proposed trade up there saves you upwards of 40 or 50 grand (which is about what you need to pay TJ proper WNBA money).


how?


Let's say Mazzante makes 88k and Tiff makes 45k. You save 43k in this case (I'm making up numbers here, but they're pretty close to reality).



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PostPosted: 02/26/10 3:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
If they were to trade mccarville and Carson, there would be way too much talent at the 2 and 3 positions and not enough at the 4 or 5
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If they were to trade mccarville and Carson, there would be way too much talent at the 2 and 3 positions and not enough at the 4 or 5


Carson is a 2, even a 3 sometimes, so I'm not sure how that would hurt our talent level in the post. McCarville is a 5, with a 4 body who doesn't rebound and was struggling with her shot last year, not to mention the TO's.
Actually, I think I like this trade better. Shocked



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How did we get locked in to Powell? If I were the Merc, I'd much rather get McCarville and Carson than Powell and Jackson.


And I'd say the Liberty would rather trade McCarville and Carson than Powell and Jackson. Wink


Really? Powell's not going to put up those career year numbers again. They're way out of line from her norms. Jackson wouldn't be a lock to make the roster if the Lib had a first round pick, and may not be a sure thing in any event. Carson has 100 times the upside that Jackson has. McCarville is a known quantity and a more useful player than Powell.



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Actually, I think I like this trade better. Shocked


I don't. But I would still do it.



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Richyyy wrote:
BCBG's proposed trade up there saves you upwards of 40 or 50 grand (which is about what you need to pay TJ proper WNBA money).


how?


Let's say Mazzante makes 88k and Tiff makes 45k. You save 43k in this case (I'm making up numbers here, but they're pretty close to reality).


Except Mazz does not make 88K no matter how many time Richyy says she does....change that first number to a 6 and you've got the number.



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I haven't got this year's number in front of me, but it sure started with a 8 two years ago (in the first year of this ridiculous contract). And contracts don't tend to go down.

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I haven't got this year's number in front of me, but it sure started with a 8 two years ago (in the first year of this ridiculous contract). And contracts don't tend to go down.

However many times you tell me I'm wrong Wink.


Do you work in her agents office? where is this list of salaries from 2 years ago coming from?



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I actually think Tiff might do quite well in the Phoenix system. She wouldn't have to try to think (which she clearly isn't very good at) or make moves (which result in the travelocity title) - just run up and down the floor, rebound, and stick back. In fact, she might do so well that NY fans would regret trading her, even though she might never do that well in NY's system. Just one of those things.

Powell is a very good shooter and her defence got way improved because of the Sacto emphasis on it. She also does little things to try to make her teammates better. (Ask Sacto fans) On a team that actually has multiple options, I think she will play even better than in Sacto where she was often the only offensive option on the floor - whether that be Phoenix or NY. She's not a dynamic personality like Cappie, but I'm surprised at the vehemence with which she is being rejected by Phoenix fans.
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PostPosted: 02/26/10 3:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
caune wrote:
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I haven't got this year's number in front of me, but it sure started with a 8 two years ago (in the first year of this ridiculous contract). And contracts don't tend to go down.

However many times you tell me I'm wrong Wink.


Do you work in her agents office? where is this list of salaries from 2 years ago coming from?


Same as any other information on here that isn't in a published article: sources. I don't blame you for trusting yours, but equally I trust mine.

Having done better math with newer numbers, Mazzante for Jackson would save Phoenix just under 43 grand. For those who wish to believe me Wink.
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