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PostPosted: 08/18/14 7:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie wrote:
I know this is a natural effect of the database growing and an increased familiarity with the players, but this year's batch o' scores seem to be the most logical matches yet. (Plus, I love seeing some of the old names pop up.)


I didn't post the old rookies, but the most similar to Anna Cruz is Marta Fernandez. Nobody is within 10 miles of being similar to Dumerc.



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PostPosted: 08/18/14 10:10 pm    ::: Re: Playing around with similarity scores Reply Reply with quote

I always love reading these for a new season, but a question just occurred to me that I hadn't thought to ask before. Why are you comparing based on age? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare based on the number of years in the league? I can see making an exception for someone like Dumerc who has been playing professionally for years, but does one really expect, say, Bria Hartley and Shoni Shimmel to be all that different because one is 21 and the other is 22?


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PostPosted: 08/18/14 10:35 pm    ::: Re: Playing around with similarity scores Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
I always love reading these for a new season, but a question just occurred to me that I hadn't thought to ask before. Why are you comparing based on age? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare based on the number of years in the league? I can see making an exception for someone like Dumerc who has been playing professionally for years, but does one really expect, say, Bria Hartley and Shoni Shimmel to be all that different because one is 21 and the other is 22?


You wouldn't think so, but when Bill James studied baseball players he found that, on average, a 21 year old rookie would produce about 35% more hits and homers (and everything else) than a 22 year old rookie.

Granted there are any number of reasons why this might not hold true for basketball players or women or the WNBA. Still, it seems likely to me that the difference between one and the other will be more significant than a single year's worth of stats.

In the specific case of Hartley and Schimmel, who were born about four months apart, it may be splitting hairs. They just happen to be on opposite sides of the arbitrary cut off for seasonal age.



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PostPosted: 08/18/14 11:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
I'm assuming these are in order, most similar listed first ...

Maggie Lucas may have the worst list ...


....probably cuz she's the most statistically--CHALLENGED--among the rookies. Shocked



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PostPosted: 08/19/14 12:10 am    ::: Re: Playing around with similarity scores Reply Reply with quote

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You wouldn't think so, but when Bill James studied baseball players he found that, on average, a 21 year old rookie would produce about 35% more hits and homers (and everything else) than a 22 year old rookie.

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To be the same wouldn't a WNBA player have to be able to enter the league at any age (or any age over 17) like in baseball? A 21 year old MLB rookie got pulled up sooner than a 22 year old rookie. In the same way that the better you are in college basketball, the sooner you can get the NBA to draft you. Someone drafted after their freshman year is normally better than someone drafted as a senior.


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PostPosted: 08/19/14 5:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

K-Mac in some good company. Tina, Maya.


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I was just going to say the same thing. McBride's game is diverse.



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PostPosted: 09/14/15 5:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:


A lot of great stuff ...



Not exactly a murderers' row of comparisons, is it?


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PostPosted: 09/14/15 5:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:


A lot of great stuff ...



Not exactly a murderers' row of comparisons, is it?


It's still a bad draft...



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PostPosted: 09/15/15 9:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Great work, pilight.

I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...

But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark.



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PostPosted: 09/15/15 9:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Great work, pilight.

I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...

But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark.


To become modestly not terrible? Yikes. Alysha Clark is an awfully low bar.


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PostPosted: 09/15/15 9:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Great work, pilight.

I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...

But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark.


Achonwa and Gray probably have the best comps, which says a lot about this draft.

Storm fans can't be happy to see LaToya Thomas as one of the top comps for their #1 pick.

Amused that Malott's top two comps are also blonde girls.



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pilight wrote:
ClayK wrote:
Great work, pilight.

I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...

But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark.


Achonwa and Gray probably have the best comps, which says a lot about this draft.

Storm fans can't be happy to see LaToya Thomas as one of the top comps for their #1 pick.

Amused that Malott's top two comps are also blonde girls.



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PostPosted: 09/19/16 8:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Of course Cindy Blodgett shows up on Banham's list. Of course.

Is it just me, or is this year's list more circular than usual? Like, Rookie A is similar to Rookie B, so Rookie B is similar to Rookie A?



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Queenie wrote:
Of course Cindy Blodgett shows up on Banham's list. Of course.

Is it just me, or is this year's list more circular than usual? Like, Rookie A is similar to Rookie B, so Rookie B is similar to Rookie A?


It does sort of seem like they're all similar to Copper



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PostPosted: 09/19/16 11:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Kahleah Copper is the number 1 match for Courtney Williams, but Williams doesn't appear anywhere on Copper's list. What am I missing?


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Kahleah Copper is the number 1 match for Courtney Williams, but Williams doesn't appear anywhere on Copper's list. What am I missing?


Williams doesn't have many close matches while Copper has a ton



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pilight wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Kahleah Copper is the number 1 match for Courtney Williams, but Williams doesn't appear anywhere on Copper's list. What am I missing?


Williams doesn't have many close matches while Copper has a ton


So, Copper tops the list of bad comparisons available for Williams. Wouldn't it make more sense to just use "N/A" and move on? Confused


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pilight wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Kahleah Copper is the number 1 match for Courtney Williams, but Williams doesn't appear anywhere on Copper's list. What am I missing?


Williams doesn't have many close matches while Copper has a ton


I kinda miss when you provided the numbers with the lists, or at least the range, so we have some idea how close the toy is.



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I've decided to leave out rookies being similar to other rookies, and rookies who played fewer than 10 games

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PostPosted: 09/04/17 11:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Given that it came down to the two of them for a roster spot, Cierra Burdick being on Nayo Raincock-Ekunwe's comp list makes an awful lot of sense.



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PostPosted: 09/05/17 10:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Great stuff, as always, pilight.

Puts things in perspective, though obviously the scores aren't definitive. Still, there's some valuable insight there.



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I can clearly see the similarities between Sykes and Adams.....


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