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PostPosted: 07/27/05 10:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Meanwhile at MSG... I wonder how many Lib fans are now taking advantage of the $3 Mike's Hard Lemonade special.


Real Noo Yawkers don`t drink that weenie juice, that`s why it`s on sale Laughing Laughing



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it was the best of halves (1st)
it was the worst of halves (2nd)

i can't decide if i want the libs to move to the western confernence or just blow my brains out.

the libs we dazed and confused in the second half. and the comets shda been drug tested...cuz they looked dazed and confused in the first half.

have never heard so many bones hitting hardwood...the refs really blew big time..the game was getting out of hand and control...they shda done something.

i have a feeling it was the fucking partridge family song that the garden was playing at the dopest time...come on, get happy...that really put the nail in the coffin.

there is nothing worse that playing like you're outta your mind for 20 minutes and then imploding on your home court.

yes, i am calling for patty to be fired...cuz she shd have done something, anything to help stop the slide...

dayum...double dayum...



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PostPosted: 07/27/05 10:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

btw...lena williams of the NYTs was in the house...so expect the Times to cover this fiasco...

Donna O. was in the house...and i hope she does sumthin' about the idiyots that were wearing the striped shirts..



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PostPosted: 07/27/05 10:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hindsight is 20/20 sometimes, but I do believe the reserves have been playing well lately, and they didn't get much time in the 2nd half, at least I don't recall them getting much. I can understand her not playing them, but they might have given the starters a blow and the outcome might have been a bit different. Also, the Baby was a bit too eager to put up shots.


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i just finished watching the (taped) game. what else can you say but "welcome to heartbreak hotel?"



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PostPosted: 07/27/05 11:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sebibb wrote:
i just finished watching the (taped) game. what else can you say but "welcome to heartbreak hotel?"


I just got back from MSG and immediately found I really had to defrag the computer. Now that that's taken care of (for today!) I can say:

AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!

THAT WAS REALLY PAINFUL!!

I'M DEPRESSED! Sad

I hope we find a way to kick the crap out of CT tomorrow. I don't know how, but hey, that's not MY job. Goddammit! Crap! Shit! Fuck! I'm pissed, man!


That play at the end was amazing - nobody was expecting it, but just like v. Indy, it didn't go. One of these days, Meka's gonna make SportsCenter with that stuff. Kudos to Patty for another impressive attempt. Of course, it shouldn't have been necessary to begin with...

Meanwhile, somehow the fool Van (who was wearing a suit whose color was best described by mathmaggie as "diarrhea green") figured out that his team wasn't playing us hard enough in the first half (only 2 fouls?), and in the second half, playing more aggressively, managed to get force Becky and Ann up to 5 fouls a piece! Becky? with 5 fouls? Has Becky EVER fouled out of a game? I don't think so...but I haven't checked. How'd they do that? They stymied Becky and Ann! And then Meka's 3 attempts weren't landing, but I can't really be angry at her for taking those shots since I'm sure she's been told to go for it if she has a clear view of the basket. Oy. The Comets just snuck up on us and took it. At the end, Becky was just shakin' her head like she couldn't believe it.

I definitely needed a minute or two to digest it.

Oh, the torture of Liberty fandom...


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Well if it makes you feel better, T, I'm not all that happy about this game either. Here's my ying and yang. First the happy stuff, if you can call it that.

1. Happy from the bottom of my heart that Tina isn't seriously injured. I have no fucking idea why she's even playing this much so soon after giving birth. As I said, the Comets season was not in need of saving, we have Tari and Raz and Sancho at the 4 and they're in shape, talented, experienced, and largely IN TUNE with each other. Tina's health should be the most primary concern when considering anything about #7. It should be about her health. It was freaky to see her balled up like that on the floor. You were there, Tara, tell me, was not the mood in the Garden apprehensive at that sight? It made me sick.

2. Happy for the win. We needed back to back wins and to keep the pressure on SAC and we got them.

3. Happy to see the Comets were able to put on a comeback. Not that I ever doubted them.

4. Happy the game was exciting for the TV audience and all of us.

Okay now here's the part that matters in terms of the Comets' health.

People are saying Tina got her game back? That she won this game tonight for the Comets? Oooh. People we just beat the Mystics by 18 points and Tina played 15 minutes and took TWO shots. With 1:40 left in this game (approx.) we were down by 7. (I think) Down the whole damn game by as much as what, 17? Tina's 17 points and 8 rebounds doesn't mean a damn thing. We barely won this game and, honestly, it looked like the REFs were on acid or something.

For much of this game the Comets played flat footed matador defense. And on offense it was just that typical one on one stuff that has suddenly appeared with Tina's return and harkens back to the bad old Comets of the last two (or more) seasons. So don't tell me Tina won this game for us. If she hadn't started and played THIRTY FIVE MINUTES, and if Raz and Tari and Sancho had played her minutes, I have no doubts the game would have been better played by the Comets on both sides of the floor and would have been a much closer game throughout.

Beyond the things I stated above I don't know what to be that happy about regarding this game. It's a very bad preview of what might be in store for the Comets down the stretch, but probably, unfortunately, minus the unlikely comeback.

And what about playing powerhouse teams like the Storm or the Sun?

I just don't like this Comets team I'm seeing now and I don't know how anyone can be so happy about the way the team played tonight. We stunk. We got some breaks with the refs and hit some clutch shots and stole a game away from a team that had whipped our asses for 38.5 minutes.

Remember this. Swoopes came back and scored like 25 or something, against the Liberty, 6 weeks after giving birth. But when the playoffs came she rarely got in the game.

Tina should be in street clothes and not taking elbows to her midsection.

Tari Phillups has WAY more game right now than she's being allowed to show. She played 6 minutes. Raz was great against DC but tonight she played half the game. Sancho played TWO minutes.

And Tina played 35.

And Van is probably all smiles.



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PostPosted: 07/28/05 1:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I hope Meka can get out of this shooting slump that she's in, her 3pts shot is non existent so far this season. I like it when she attacks the basket, also when she shoot's off the dribble (though that hasn't been there either). I was very pleased with her defense on Sheryl, that block in the first half had me jumping with excitment. Laughing



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PostPosted: 07/28/05 1:10 am    ::: Lena Williams in the hizzouse Reply Reply with quote

NYT runs a real bylined story, as promised:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/sports/basketball/28liberty.html?

FWIW I thought Christon (with some help from Loree Moore, and more help from the refs) lost the game for the Libs: I know she's got heart and hustle, and her pair of O-boards followed by a layup was pretty cool, but, um, shot selection? shot clock? especially when you're up by a few late in the game?

From a Lynx fan to all you Lib fans: at least your teams' meltdowns are exciting to watch.

Should be a fun game at the casino tomorrow.


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PostPosted: 07/28/05 5:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
Remember this. Swoopes came back and scored like 25 or something, against the Liberty, 6 weeks after giving birth. But when the playoffs came she rarely got in the game.


Swoopes' high scoring game in 1997 was 20, against the Sting. She only played 19 minutes that game, and The Comets lost.



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Swoopes' high scoring game in 1997 was 20, against the Sting. She only played 19 minutes that game, and The Comets lost.


What was her high-scoring game vs. Utah in 1997? I thought she recorded 26 points.


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pilight wrote:
Swoopes' high scoring game in 1997 was 20, against the Sting. She only played 19 minutes that game, and The Comets lost.


What was her high-scoring game vs. Utah in 1997? I thought she recorded 26 points.


Swoopes' 1997 games...

Phoenix 0 points in 5 minutes
Los Angeles 0 points in 8 minutes
Charlotte 0 points in 3 minutes
Utah 18 points in 21 minutes
Charlotte 20 points in 19 minutes
New York 11 points in 23 minutes
Charlotte 1 point in 12 minutes
Cleveland 2 points in 17 minutes
Sacramento 12 points in 21 minutes

PLAYOFFS

Charlotte 0 points in 9 minutes
New York 0 points in 5 minutes



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pilight wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
Remember this. Swoopes came back and scored like 25 or something, against the Liberty, 6 weeks after giving birth. But when the playoffs came she rarely got in the game.


Swoopes' high scoring game in 1997 was 20, against the Sting. She only played 19 minutes that game, and The Comets lost.


Do you live for this?

"scored like 25 or something" means don't hold me to the exact number 'cause I don't know. Capiche? Does it matter that it was against the Sting and not the Liberty? Is it really germane to my point what team she scored 20 odd points on in 1997?

It really isn't.

My point was that people shouldn't be looking at Tina's 17 points like it means she's on her game already. That's all. Swoopes scored 20 but it didn't mean anything in terms of her being ready to contribute to the Comets season.

Pilight, I swear I'm going to change my tag line to a factual disclaimer just so you can have more free time for yard work or something. Shocked



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Genero36 wrote:
pilight wrote:
Swoopes' high scoring game in 1997 was 20, against the Sting. She only played 19 minutes that game, and The Comets lost.


What was her high-scoring game vs. Utah in 1997? I thought she recorded 26 points.


I could have SWORN two things about 1997 before this week and one is that Swoopes had a mid 20 points performance against the Liberty and two that she didn't play in the final. So you can see how the Liberty would get mixed in there.

Pilight, do you mind telling us where you're getting your statistics?



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PostPosted: 07/28/05 6:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Here's a stat for you.

The Comets had 22 assists against the Mystics on Wed and just 12 last night.



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PostPosted: 07/28/05 6:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

All of The Comets' 1997 boxscores are right here...

http://web.archive.org/web/19990224202214/www.wnba.com/Comets/schedule97.html



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Written last night, in that wonderful state of sleep deprivation.

This, my fellow fans, was the very definition of a choke job. We had this game in the bag. We should have won it going away. Instead, boneheaded mistakes by everyone eligible to make boneheaded mistakes cost us the win. I spent most of my ride home plotting colorful ways to kill Patty.

What Crystal was thinking when she launched that shot with four left on the shot clock, I will never know. That wasn't the shot we needed, and we had time to put something better together. In any case, her common sense and her shot are both still on the baggage carousel, so I don't think tomorrow will be much of an improvement. Vickie was quiet. Too quiet. Plus, she seemed to get awfully chippy with Tari during #24's limited minutes. I think she objected to us chanting for Tari when the subs came in. News flash, Cap: maybe you should have gotten off your ass and done something authoritative instead of letting Tari turn into a cause celebre. Weird as it sounds to say it, I don't think Becky got enough touches, but there will be far more on that later. She made a couple of dumb plays, but that was the story of the night, so I can't come down on her too hard. Elena was quietly savvy; a buddy of mine from the lobby brought up an interesting question that may be more profound than he knew: "When did Elena Baranova turn into Sue Wicks?" As in, making contributions that don't necessarily show up in the stat sheet but do change the game. She was hot offensively early, but then Patty pulled her and it all went to shit after that. Ann was a player of extremes: she made some fabulous plays, she made some incredibly stupid plays, nothing really in the middle. La'Keshia was on fire in the first half, but then Patty pulled her and it all went to shit after that. Loree was nothing, Catherine was nothing, Erin was nothing.

*puts on flame-retardant suit* Which, of course, leads me to everyone's favorite precious Baby. She has shown flashes, I'll grant that much. Flashes, however, should not merit a player more minutes than two starters and almost twice as many touches as the next most trigger-happy player. More often than not, she chucks up the first shot she sees, her defense is shite, she's overaggressive when she needs to step back and thinks too much when she should just drive. For some reason, the playbook seems to have been the Son of Van's Playbook: "Get the ball to [Baby] Swoopes." Comet fans understand the furstration of that kind of play-calling, and they have the original Swoopes to make the play more often than not. I'd be bitching any Lib player out for 4-14 shooting, but the fact that it was Sista Christon makes it even more galling. Don't tell me Becky couldn't have taken Canty on a couple of more drives. Don't tell me Ann couldn't have gotten up in Snowy's grill. Don't tell me Vickie couldn't have... well, done anything that might have been helpful. I like the girl, don't get me wrong, she's a total sweetheart with a world of potential... but this was not the time and not the place for Patty to decide that she should try to unlock her inner Swoopes. Not in front of Her Majesty.

Oh yes, Patty. Dear Coach: Please die now, in as painful and public a manner as you can, thanks.

For Houston, Swoopes was amazing. I suppose you lot in Houston are used to that, though. Tina looked good, too, although she's not quite back on form. She got an elbow in the throat, from what I've gathered from postgame reporting, and went down like a stone. We worried about her, and we were relieved when she got back up. Snow got into foul trouble, but she kept Ann off balance, and of course, at the end of the game, she struck (like a COBRA!?). In general, the Comets killed us on the offensive boards. I grant that we had fewer missed shots than Houston did, but still, we whould have been turning their offensive boards into our defensive boards. I don't even want to think about how many second or third chance points they had. It would probably make me froth at the mouth and fantasize about dismembering Patty again, and my shrink says that's not healthy. Janeth, of course, was ice down the stretch. That woman knows no fear and no doubt. Canty wasn't really an offensive threat, but she seemed to run the offense well. Tari played five ineffective minutes, and was fully aware that we still love her. The only thing I remember about Rasmussen was her dramatization of the hit that Shameka put on her with the booty. If the deep bench played, I wasn't aware of it. The damage was done by Houston's starters; Sheryl never sat. Van threw candy to the crowd. Really, Lib fans, y'all should know better than to take candy from strangers.

The refs didn't suck tonight so much as they tilted. I'm willing to accept that the Liberty were guilty of most of the calls made on them, but I find it hard to believe that the Comets weren't pulling any of that borderline legal crap that the Liberty were. It also didn't help that the callling-style changed throuhout the game, alternating between a sensible use of the whistle and excessive blowing.

"Reality show night" should generally be a sign of impending doom. They did, however, have a hysterical Trading Spaces with Becky and Crystal, in which they decorated each other's lockers. Becky did Crystal's with olive green drapery and a birdhouse. Crystal did Becky's in shades of purple, with a welcome mat and a stuffed pillow thang that said "Cutie Pie". What I found most interesting about it is that to the casual fan, they seemed to be decorating in schemes that would match the recipient's, but to those more in the know, the decorating schemes seems more in line with the decorator's personality. (Plus, I get to find out yet another reason why I like Crystal: she shares my color sense. *grin*) And the blooper reel was a hoot; Becky seemed amazed at the concept of foldable Frisbees. But seriously. Next time they do a reality show theme, I want a chance to vote Blaze off the island by dumping her in the Hudson.

Our tickets were next to a set of boors who didn't seem to understand the concept that the national anthem is a time to shut up, stand up, and take your hat off, not a time to buy cotton candy and get pissy at the people who are respecting the anthem. If foreign nationals can get the concept, why can't some Americans? As soon as the anthem was done, we moved our seats. We were going to anyway, because the chairs we had were sagging and the seats blew, but I could not stand the thought of being next to those assholes any longer.

So between one thing and another, and the giant-ass cockroach that is crawling around on the outside of my screen, I am NOT a happy camper.



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Snow got into foul trouble, but she kept Ann off balance, and of course, at the end of the game, she struck (like a COBRA!?).


That's right, Queenie. She's THE COBRA!

Great stuff..



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*puts on flame-retardant suit* Which, of course, leads me to everyone's favorite precious Baby. She has shown flashes, I'll grant that much. Flashes, however, should not merit a player more minutes than two starters and almost twice as many touches as the next most trigger-happy player. More often than not, she chucks up the first shot she sees, her defense is shite, she's overaggressive when she needs to step back and thinks too much when she should just drive. For some reason, the playbook seems to have been the Son of Van's Playbook: "Get the ball to [Baby] Swoopes."


you got to be kidding me...you must be the only one in NYC that has this view of Shameka... Rolling Eyes

the Baby was one of the few who didn't just give up...yes, she was a little hyperactive...but she was not lacking in passion...and energy...for once she poured it on at the Garden...if she had made that alley opp layup...what would your viewpoint be??



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*puts on flame-retardant suit* Which, of course, leads me to everyone's favorite precious Baby. She has shown flashes, I'll grant that much. Flashes, however, should not merit a player more minutes than two starters and almost twice as many touches as the next most trigger-happy player. More often than not, she chucks up the first shot she sees, her defense is shite, she's overaggressive when she needs to step back and thinks too much when she should just drive. For some reason, the playbook seems to have been the Son of Van's Playbook: "Get the ball to [Baby] Swoopes."


you got to be kidding me...you must be the only one in NYC that has this view of Shameka... Rolling Eyes


no, she's not. i've been voicing my concerns for a while now. there was no excuse for meka to jack up three three-point bricks in a row last night. she too often dribbles herself into trouble, winding too much time off the clock. if i didn't wholeheartedly blame the refs for destroying the libs last night, i might be inclined to resent the baby for blowing the wide-open layup that would have taken us to OT.

queenie's right, she does show flashes of brilliance, but those only make me wonder where her head is the rest of the time. i think she could be really amazing -- a real force in this league. but right now she is not the savior, and crystal still belongs in the starting lineup.



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Vickie was quiet. Too quiet. Plus, she seemed to get awfully chippy with Tari during #24's limited minutes. I think she objected to us chanting for Tari when the subs came in.


Did you notice Becky concealing that sly little grin when Tari got the applause? Looked like she was happy for her.

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Tari played five ineffective minutes, and was fully aware that we still love her.


Was it me, or did her teammates seem reluctant to pass her the ball? Tina in particular. There were quite a few times that Tari had good position and was begging for the ball but no one would send it to her.



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Christon needed a good ole bitch slapping after the 1st ill-advised 3-pointer she launched, but the vets kept hiding behind screens and were too busy running like headless chickens. Christon was on speed last night and her intensity was a thing of beauty. Last year we criticized her FT shooting, she's now shooting over 80%; we criticized her defense, she shut down Swoopes while she was on her for all plays but the last one. Now I'm gonna go ahead and ask her to work on her ball handling skills and stop with the crazy 3-pointers.
This kid has UNLIMITED potential. Her intensity is something we haven't seen since that other player wearing #24 for the Comets last night was on our side. These are all growing pains. If you can't see that, I'm sorry, it's your fucking problem, not ours, not hers.



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Alright, here's what I'm going to say! No one on the Liberty specifically lost the game! Yes, my baby girl Shameka took some very ill advised shots, then again Becky has done the same thing at times. To Becky's credit, she didn't try to take the winning shots by herself.

The refs SUCKED BIG TIME!!! It's the inconsistency of the calls. Don't tell me that Canty going over Becky's back and knocking her down to ONE KNEE doesn't merit a foul, but a touch foul on Wauters does?? What the fuck is that? Yes, I'm still angry! TWICE, the refs called fould because the Comets pointed at them. One was Sheryl Swoopes pointing (literally) at C-Rob and there goes the whistle. The other was Snow pointing at Wauters (on offense) and Ann gets the call. For what? I still have to figure that one out. There was another over the back foul on Raz over Frett, but the foul gets called on Frett. Huh? The ref even signaled it was over the back!! I hope BOTH Donna O & Renee Brown took notes on the UNFAIR and UNBALANCED officiating! It was SO awful!

I think Patty's BIG mistake was not calling a time out when Houston was down by 3 and/or when they tied! WHERE'S THE TIME OUT PATTY??? Ugh!

On the positive side, I'm glad the outpouring for Tari was that big! Girl deserves that and more! She got a nice standing O and the Lib players looked a bit 'stunned' at the reception! Some of them were like "what the..." so I'm glad they realized that Tari's gone but certainly not forgotten!! The rest of the time girl looked bored out of her stinking mind rotting at the bench!! A few times I yelled at Van to pay her but he didn't listen. Surprise, surprise! Smile






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Queenie wrote:
Vickie was quiet. Too quiet. Plus, she seemed to get awfully chippy with Tari during #24's limited minutes. I think she objected to us chanting for Tari when the subs came in.


Did you notice Becky concealing that sly little grin when Tari got the applause? Looked like she was happy for her.

Queenie wrote:
Tari played five ineffective minutes, and was fully aware that we still love her.


Was it me, or did her teammates seem reluctant to pass her the ball? Tina in particular. There were quite a few times that Tari had good position and was begging for the ball but no one would send it to her.


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she shut down Swoopes while she was on her for all plays but the last one.


Her stats don't tell the story for what she did last night. She did a good job. However, like most greats, Mama had her when it counted the most. Laughing The woman is so smooth, that building just knew she traveled.


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The refs SUCKED BIG TIME!!! It's the inconsistency of the calls. Don't tell me that Canty going over Becky's back and knocking her down to ONE KNEE doesn't merit a foul, but a touch foul on Wauters does??


my personal favorites:

1) rasmussen and either christon or wauters were struggling for a rebound. said lib player gets the ball to becky, who is standing about 5 feet away. as soon as becky gets her hands on the ball, the whistle blows, and it looks like the foul is on raz -- she was, after all pushing around our lib. ref is holding up 5-2. but then, the call is seemingly reversed, and its 2-5. foul is on becky, who was well clear of the play. BULLSHIT. it's like they were waiting to see who would get the ball, and as soon as it was clearly in liberty hands, they reversed possession.

2) ann is struggling for position against snow under our basket. ann gets in front of her with her back to the basket, puts out her arms to keep snow behind her, and it's called an offensive foul. there were no elbows here -- ann's arms were straight out, and they weren't behind her either. if there was contact, it was nothing but incidental. again, momentum goes against liberty, and posession swings to houston. again, BULLSHIT.

there were countless calls like that, and they always seemed to go in favor of houston.



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