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 Posted: 07/25/05 6:30 am ::: Trade Katie Smith? |
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Lynx COO Roger Griffith says it's an option:
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/basketball/wnba/minnesota_lynx/12214837.htm
I'm not sure whether the circumstances are that dire, but we need to do something. At some point we need to decide: are we really still trying to win this year, or is it time to look forward to next year and beyond?
Is there really a chance that we'll beat LA or Seattle for the 4th playoff spot? Even if we do, do we really have a chance of competing in the playoffs?
If not, what do we do?
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| Posted: 07/25/05 6:41 am ::: Re: Trade Katie Smith? |
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The Lynx are only a game from second place. I think it would be premature to deal Katie Smith.
The team ahead of Minnie in the west that they have a losing record against is Sacto, so there's no reason to think they couldn't be competitive.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 6:46 am ::: |
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Isn't it a wee bit early to start panicking?
Any potential Katie trade should be done in the offseason. I think it would be too jarring for the Lynx to trade away such a key piece when they're still very much in the playoff hunt. |
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| Posted: 07/25/05 6:54 am ::: |
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| Keegan wrote: |
Isn't it a wee bit early to start panicking?
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definitely no need to panic.
But I wonder if Roger has the sense that (a) we are worse than our record indicates, and (b) we are heading in the wrong direction.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 6:58 am ::: |
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| Or he's trying to rattle everyone's cages so they maybe start playing well? I can see the idea of trading Katie being disconcerting to more than just Katie.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 7:03 am ::: |
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| Queenie wrote: |
| Or he's trying to rattle everyone's cages so they maybe start playing well? |
that may very well be right.
Or it may even be that it was just an emotional comment made out of frustration following an ugly and depressing loss.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 7:50 am ::: |
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LA is in cap trouble, but hasn't the league given them some sort of exemption again? Remeber, the salary cap rules apply to everyone BUT the Sparks.
LA could send Teasley, then either go get another variance from the league, or just dump some rookie or foreigner.
Or Charlotte could send, oh I don't know... McCarville and Staley.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 8:06 am ::: |
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| The Lynx could get a great player in the lottery, so they might want to see their draft position before deciding if they need to make a deal. Mo, Seimone or Cappie would all be great picks for them, and would be great teamed with Katie.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 8:40 am ::: |
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Wouldn't trading Tamika Williams be a more viable option? I mean she's become excess on this team now with the twin towers.
How about to Charlotte for McCarville and a draft pick?
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| Posted: 07/25/05 8:41 am ::: |
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How about to Charlotte for McCarville and a draft pick? |
highway robbery! i like it, tho, and trudi is just crazy enough to go for it. anything to get janel out of charlotte!
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| Posted: 07/25/05 8:49 am ::: |
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| womens_hoops wrote: |
| Or Charlotte could send, oh I don't know... McCarville and Staley. |
I was thinking a contender making a move for the stretch run.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 8:51 am ::: |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
Wouldn't trading Tamika Williams be a more viable option? I mean she's become excess on this team now with the twin towers.
How about to Charlotte for McCarville and a draft pick? |
I would send Tamika Williams to Charlotte for McCarville and a draft pick in about two seconds, if Lacey & co. would actually make that trade. I doubt Lacey would. though you never know with her. Williams is as good now as she's going to get.
Isn't Staley retiring after this year?
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| Posted: 07/25/05 8:53 am ::: |
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Face it, the Lynx will never get fair value for Katie. Their chance was last year when they didn't want to trade her for Whalen (and I wouldn't have either).
Right now, she's expensive for just about everyone. Sac would be the best fit for her and they are a legit contender, but all they can send in return is prospects and/or post players, something the Lynx don't really need.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 9:15 am ::: |
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| How about [TW] to Charlotte for McCarville and a draft pick? |
i would even be willing to forgo the draft pick...
I agree that Tamika is a much more viable trade candidate than Katie. Maybe Svet is on the block too.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 9:33 am ::: |
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You cna't get fair value for Katie Smith, and I simply can't imagine a team with her on it trading her and being better for it. It's like trading Swoopes -- you just don't do it.
Williams and Svet would probably be on the block, but I don't think either one of them are going to make a big enough difference to make the team improve much. Whose going to give up a point guard better than Harrower for Tamika Williams? I wouldn't.
I am pretty much left with Ohlde and Hayden being the only players you can probably trade to be worth your while if you are Minnesota. Williams is a good power forward and can take back the starting spot if one of the others goes.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 9:52 am ::: |
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| PUmatty wrote: |
You cna't get fair value for Katie Smith, and I simply can't imagine a team with her on it trading her and being better for it. It's like trading Swoopes -- you just don't do it.
Williams and Svet would probably be on the block, but I don't think either one of them are going to make a big enough difference to make the team improve much. Whose going to give up a point guard better than Harrower for Tamika Williams? I wouldn't.
I am pretty much left with Ohlde and Hayden being the only players you can probably trade to be worth your while if you are Minnesota. Williams is a good power forward and can take back the starting spot if one of the others goes. |
Ohlde and Hayden are the team's future. Neither should be traded under any circumstances I can imagine. Trading one of them is what Agler would have done.
The Lynx need a healthy, motivated, energetic Katie, or a player of equivalent value, and a backcourt capable of scoring without her if need be. I'm not sure any trade this season could accomplish that. A high draft pick (say, Cappie) might.
If Katie comes back to the Lynx next year, and I think she will, she should be healthier, more aggressive and better (unless she gets hurt again, or loses the will to play aggressively).
I'm inclined to regard Roger Griffith's remark as a product of frustration or an attempt at motivation, rather than a serious sign of an inclination to trade The Franchise.
As for trading Tamika and/or Svet, let's see what the Lynx might get in return.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 9:55 am ::: |
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| The Lib could be a possibility if the Lynx are really high on Loree Moore. |
oh, no, no, no . . . uh-uh . . . nyet. don't be trying to lose our one true point guard so we can have an ego battle of the twos - one of whom doesn't even know anymore what position she plays.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 9:56 am ::: |
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| The Lib could be a possibility if the Lynx are really high on Loree Moore. |
oh, no, no, no . . . uh-uh . . . nyet. don't be trying to lose our one true point guard so we can have an ego battle of the twos - one of whom doesn't even know anymore what position she plays.
i could see the mystics. might light a fire under beard, if in fact her poor shooting is not because of her recovery.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 9:58 am ::: |
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The best news in the story was this...
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| The Lynx signed point guard Tynesha Lewis for the remainder of the season. Her second seven-day contract expired before Sunday's game. |
Go Tyger!
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Griffith didn't say he was actively looking to trade Smith, only that he would listen to offers. Given the W's history of deadline day blockbusters, I wouldn't expect Smith to be anywhere but Minnie the rest of this season.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 10:00 am ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| The Lib could be a possibility if the Lynx are really high on Loree Moore. |
oh, no, no, no . . . uh-uh . . . nyet. don't be trying to lose our one true point guard so we can have an ego battle of the twos - one of whom doesn't even know anymore what position she plays.
i could see the mystics. might light a fire under beard, if in fact her poor shooting is not because of her recovery. |
How many 2s can we have, BTW?
Also, I think FFO is trying to trade Erin Thorn. No other reason for playing her that much, not even the road trip because we played her against Seattle.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 10:05 am ::: |
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"Ohlde and Hayden are the team's future. Neither should be traded under any circumstances I can imagine. Trading one of them is what Agler would have done."
That may be, but can't see them making any other trade that is going to help them much.
IMO, the idea of getting McCarville and a draft pick for Tamika Williams is laughable.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 10:10 am ::: |
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| Just for kicks, how about Connecticut? Brooke Wyckoff and either Le'Coe Willingham or Jen D/Jamie Carey? |
I don't see the sun sitting Douglas or Sales for Smith.
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| Posted: 07/25/05 10:11 am ::: |
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| They'd be dumb to trade either Hayden or Ohlde. Hayden has potential superstar written all over her, she just needs to drop a few pounds, and learn how to stay out of foul trouble and she'll be one of the best post players in the west. Ohlde is also a great player who will continue to improve. I'd see who is interested in the 2 UCONN grads. Williams is a good player, but I don't think that she will get much better as time goes one. Abrosimova's numbers have steadily dropped over her 5 seasons(not counting last year when she came off the bench.) She also has some issues with TO's, but I bet they could get a solid player for her, she is a good player.
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