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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
I'm just asking. I see a pattern here.
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| Posted: 09/23/09 9:51 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
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Cause it's a trick learned from LLL 
Actually, I think for me..usually it's not sneaky, usually it's blantant and she gets called for it. 
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| Posted: 09/23/09 9:56 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
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I think it's a very good question. She's getting a ton of mid-section level hits in tonight with no call.
TT looked pretty fired up after one of them.
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| Posted: 09/23/09 9:59 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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| luvDhoops wrote: |
How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
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Cause it's a trick learned from LLL
Actually, I think for me..usually it's not sneaky, usually it's blantant and she gets called for it. |
She hit TT, didn't get called.
She elbowed TT, didn't get called. |
Actually, tonight it's really because it's against the sparks..
Let her hit becky like that and see if no one whines about it.
Honestly, I don't mind the elbows from any player. I mind when the refs don't call it, and it's against my team though.
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| Somewhat related----If Peck says friendly incidental contact one more time I'm going to scream.
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This is what she does, all the time...nothing new at all. When she did it against the Shock everyone praised her but now we should call her out on it? I btw have no problem with it, she does it to get in people's heads and it does. I see nothing wrong with it as long as people are able to do it back to her. I have no problem with players being physical._________________ www.myspace.com/dtp_3
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| Somewhat related----If Peck says friendly incidental contact one more time I'm going to scream. |
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| Posted: 09/23/09 10:08 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
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I think it's a very good question. She's getting a ton of mid-section level hits in tonight with no call.
TT looked pretty fired up after one of them. |
Diana has to get a few good licks in, since LLL and D-Nasty get them in all night.
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| Posted: 09/23/09 10:14 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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| luvDhoops wrote: |
How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
I'm just asking. I see a pattern here. |
I think it's a very good question. She's getting a ton of mid-section level hits in tonight with no call.
TT looked pretty fired up after one of them. |
Diana has to get a few good licks in, since LLL and D-Nasty get them in all night. |
It was less than a couple minutes into the game ucbart when DT did all this. No one had done much of anything at that point.
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| Posted: 09/23/09 10:16 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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| luvDhoops wrote: |
How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
I'm just asking. I see a pattern here. |
I think it's a very good question. She's getting a ton of mid-section level hits in tonight with no call.
TT looked pretty fired up after one of them. |
Diana has to get a few good licks in, since LLL and D-Nasty get them in all night. |
It was less than a couple minutes into the game ucbart when DT did all this. No one had done much of anything at that point. |
You gotta anticipate, be proactive, ya know?
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| Posted: 09/23/09 10:16 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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When in Rome....
seriously, how else are you supposed to play against a physical team except to give it back to them or lose? We proved we can play that game against detroit in 2007, it's not the Mercurys preferred style but hey you want it, we got it!
Now here's my question...is anyone EVER allowed to touch Candace Parker?
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| Now here's my question...is anyone EVER allowed to touch Candace Parker? |
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| Posted: 09/23/09 11:23 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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When in Rome....
seriously, how else are you supposed to play against a physical team except to give it back to them or lose? We proved we can play that game against detroit in 2007, it's not the Mercurys preferred style but hey you want it, we got it!
Now here's my question...is anyone EVER allowed to touch Candace Parker? |
Parker gets touched plenty that goes uncalled. But if you have the acting and selling skills, then have it. |
That's part of the problem, she doesn't even have to perform a damn flop to get the calls, LOL, they are handed to her on a silver platter.
Someone please remind the refs she isn't a baby, she just HAD a baby
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In general, I am not a fan of the antics the Sparks pull or the Shock of a couple years back led by PP.
However, when you play these teams, you have to send a message that you are not going to back down.
Specifically, if you step up to Lisa, she will back down. Let her know you're there, blow for blow, right from the beginning, the way TT did once upon a time in order to get a handle on her for the remainder of the game.
DMJ - simply put - needs about four to five good shoves/elbows/knocks to the head a quarter for anyone to even approach the idea of payback for what she has done over the years. Tonight, she pulled down Penny Taylor on a layup. Playoff hard foul? Sure. No problem.
I'd much rather watch the ladies get to go out there and play like tonight than watch one team get to bruise all not long and not get called *ahem LA ahem* and watch the other team get called for breathing in the direction of the WNBA goddess Lisa Leslie ***AHEM SEATTLE AHEM***
It's playoff time. You better be ready to be rough, and DT knows that.
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In general, I am not a fan of the antics the Sparks pull or the Shock of a couple years back led by PP.
However, when you play these teams, you have to send a message that you are not going to back down.
Specifically, if you step up to Lisa, she will back down. Let her know you're there, blow for blow, right from the beginning, the way TT did once upon a time in order to get a handle on her for the remainder of the game.
DMJ - simply put - needs about four to five good shoves/elbows/knocks to the head a quarter for anyone to even approach the idea of payback for what she has done over the years. Tonight, she pulled down Penny Taylor on a layup. Playoff hard foul? Sure. No problem.
I'd much rather watch the ladies get to go out there and play like tonight than watch one team get to bruise all not long and not get called *ahem LA ahem* and watch the other team get called for breathing in the direction of the WNBA goddess Lisa Leslie ***AHEM SEATTLE AHEM***
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Ohhhhh, so the best way to deal with LA player's elbows is to beat them to the punch (no pun intended) and hit them first. That way, you give them all the fuel and excuse to elbow and punch your ass... um, back? Um, ok if that works.
You know, that sounds exactly like that thing, what is it... um... oh yeah, a double standard.
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In general, I am not a fan of the antics the Sparks pull or the Shock of a couple years back led by PP.
However, when you play these teams, you have to send a message that you are not going to back down.
Specifically, if you step up to Lisa, she will back down. Let her know you're there, blow for blow, right from the beginning, the way TT did once upon a time in order to get a handle on her for the remainder of the game.
DMJ - simply put - needs about four to five good shoves/elbows/knocks to the head a quarter for anyone to even approach the idea of payback for what she has done over the years. Tonight, she pulled down Penny Taylor on a layup. Playoff hard foul? Sure. No problem.
I'd much rather watch the ladies get to go out there and play like tonight than watch one team get to bruise all not long and not get called *ahem LA ahem* and watch the other team get called for breathing in the direction of the WNBA goddess Lisa Leslie ***AHEM SEATTLE AHEM***
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Ohhhhh, so the best way to deal with LA player's elbows is to beat them to the punch (no pun intended) and hit them first. That way, you give them all the fuel and excuse to elbow and punch your ass... um, back? Um, ok if that works.
You know, that sounds exactly like that thing, what is it... um... oh yeah, a double standard. |
Oh come on, they were gonna do it anyway.
And really, refs tend to catch the rebuttal, so might as well get it first.
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| Posted: 09/23/09 11:46 pm ::: Re: Here's my question about Diana Taurasi |
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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
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Maybe you should WATCH the game AGAIN.....Thompson was pulling the same exact shit with the elbow and the bumps.....its PLAYOFF basketball and thankfully the officals just let them play.....Plus Tina had 2 fouls and Taurasi fouled out.....so what exactly did she get away with again????
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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
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Maybe you should WATCH the game AGAIN.....Thompson was pulling the same exact shit with the elbow and the bumps.....its PLAYOFF basketball and thankfully the officals just let them play.....Plus Tina had 2 fouls and Taurasi fouled out.....so what exactly did she get away with again???? |
You think I'm only talking about this game? It was just the latest example.
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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
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Maybe you should WATCH the game AGAIN.....Thompson was pulling the same exact shit with the elbow and the bumps.....its PLAYOFF basketball and thankfully the officals just let them play.....Plus Tina had 2 fouls and Taurasi fouled out.....so what exactly did she get away with again???? |
You think I'm only talking about this game? It was just the latest example. |
First of all, Milton-Jones calls herself D-Nasty.
Second of all, What does it matter???
Finally, Taurasi, Leslie, Tina, Ford, K. Smith, LJ, Catchings, etc....they all throw elbows....and they all get elbows thrown at them more than they throw them....this isn't an after-school ballet....
This is WNBA basketball....BRING IT or GO HOME!!!!
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How come when Taurasi gives sneaky elbows and punches, no one mentions it? Like seriously, it's like crickets in here. When any other player does it, specifically one in a LA uniform, they're miserable, dirty b*#$@%.
I'm just asking. I see a pattern here. |
Maybe you should WATCH the game AGAIN.....Thompson was pulling the same exact shit with the elbow and the bumps.....its PLAYOFF basketball and thankfully the officals just let them play.....Plus Tina had 2 fouls and Taurasi fouled out.....so what exactly did she get away with again???? |
You think I'm only talking about this game? It was just the latest example. |
First of all, Milton-Jones calls herself D-Nasty.
Second of all, What does it matter???
Finally, Taurasi, Leslie, Tina, Ford, K. Smith, LJ, Catchings, etc....they all throw elbows....and they all get elbows thrown at them more than they throw them....this isn't an after-school ballet....
This is WNBA basketball....BRING IT or GO HOME!!!! |
Re-read my original post and take some of that bass out of your voice.
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| Re-read my original post and take some of that bass out of your voice. |
I understood it quite well the First Time, Thanks!!
FWIW, Taurasi has never been portrayed as innocent nor lacking in the physical play department...she doesn't have a good reputation with officials (except before and after games)...but she doesn't try to intentionally hurt others and she always wears a smile unless she is Beyond Frustrated...whereas your "certain LA Sparks" player relishes being nasty and dirty which is perfectly fine as long as you are trying to intentionally hurt your opponent...but there in lies the difference...I think some fans (not me) think she is a little TOO intentional in her approach.
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It's a physical game, at every level, and good teams have to establish themselves physically -- as do good players. If an elbow gets in someone's head, and gets them thinking about paybacks instead of putbacks, that's an added bonus.
Even at the high school level, teams must show they are ready, willing and able to be physical or they will be intimidated and beaten. And there's nothing wrong with being the first one to make a statement ...
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It's a physical game, at every level, and good teams have to establish themselves physically -- as do good players. If an elbow gets in someone's head, and gets them thinking about paybacks instead of putbacks, that's an added bonus.
Even at the high school level, teams must show they are ready, willing and able to be physical or they will be intimidated and beaten. And there's nothing wrong with being the first one to make a statement ... |
Again though, double standard. If it's LLL or Ford or anyone else, we don't get all of these apologetic-like excuses. When it's Taurasi we get "you have to make a statement" or "it's a physical game".
Totally double standard here at sunny pastures Rebkell. Again, I'm starting to see a pattern.
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It's a physical game, at every level, and good teams have to establish themselves physically -- as do good players. If an elbow gets in someone's head, and gets them thinking about paybacks instead of putbacks, that's an added bonus.
Even at the high school level, teams must show they are ready, willing and able to be physical or they will be intimidated and beaten. And there's nothing wrong with being the first one to make a statement ... |
Again though, double standard. If it's LLL or Ford or anyone else, we don't get all of these apologetic-like excuses. When it's Taurasi we get "you have to make a statement" or "it's a physical game".
Totally double standard here at sunny pastures Rebkell. Again, I'm starting to see a pattern. |
I would say it's less double standard and more about reputation. It's not that Taurasi is being favored so much as that LA and Detroit are more heavily judged. LA and Detroit made that name for themselves. Fairly or unfairly, they're reaping the consequences. *shrugs*
A good example is TT throwing Pierson. Pierson has a reputation and a history. Even when Pierson comes out on the wrong end of an altercation, she gets blamed for it. Double standard? More like karma.
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It's a physical game, at every level, and good teams have to establish themselves physically -- as do good players. If an elbow gets in someone's head, and gets them thinking about paybacks instead of putbacks, that's an added bonus.
Even at the high school level, teams must show they are ready, willing and able to be physical or they will be intimidated and beaten. And there's nothing wrong with being the first one to make a statement ... |
Again though, double standard. If it's LLL or Ford or anyone else, we don't get all of these apologetic-like excuses. When it's Taurasi we get "you have to make a statement" or "it's a physical game".
Totally double standard here at sunny pastures Rebkell. Again, I'm starting to see a pattern. |
I would say it's less double standard and more about reputation. It's not that Taurasi is being favored so much as that LA and Detroit are more heavily judged. LA and Detroit made that name for themselves. Fairly or unfairly, they're reaping the consequences. *shrugs*
A good example is TT throwing Pierson. Pierson has a reputation and a history. Even when Pierson comes out on the wrong end of an altercation, she gets blamed for it. Double standard? More like karma. |
Yeah, but I can recall black eye Katie Smith who had an encounter with Taurasi's elbow more than once and a couple other players who ran into the 'bows. Not much of a mention. So why doesn't she have a "reputation" yet? How long does it take to get a reputation?
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This is so funny. I made a mention of this in a game thread a few weeks ago, and got hammered for even suggesting DT is dirty. Now we have a thread completely devoted to the topic. Whatever.
Those who think the game should be played all dainty daisy with no physical contact have apparently never played competive sports. Basketball is physical. Players hit, hold, set hard screens, and do whatever else necessary to win games. Some go over the line with it, and they are approaching the "dirty player" title. I was discussing this with someone the other day. How come basketball is the only contact sport that contact is looked down upon? And why is it so shocking to some that retaliation is common, and even encouraged in some cases? Hockey teams usually have players that their sole purpose is to retaliate. Baseball has the pitcher throw at the batter of the other team. Football has the linebackers who hit a little harder. But basketball? Heaven forbid we actually realize this sport is a contact sport, and competitve nature pushes players to be a little more "rough" when need be.
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Who ever said Lisa Leslie doesn't throw elbows? The only elite players who aren't physical and a little nasty are Candace Parker, Sue Bird and Becky Hammon -- and I'm not so sure about Hammon.
Good players need to be physical, need to take control of their space, and if they aren't, will be bumped around and rendered less effective by physical players with less talent.
Criticisms of Parker and Bird tend to revolve around their lack of physical play -- for example, if Bird got to the line half as much as Shavonte Zellous, how much better would she be?
I don't think there's a double standard, aside from the fact that fans think their girls are much better behaved than the other's teams players (just as they think the refs always favor the other team and never theirs).
One last example: We have a 6-1 post player on the high school team I coach, and she's strong, fast and with broad shoulders. We've been trying to convince her to be more physical since I got there two years ago. She finally got the message this summer during the AAU season, and started being the first one to establish herself physically -- and the college coaches not only noticed, but complimented her for it. In fact, she even got a scholarship (to Southern Utah), and I can pretty much guarantee that if she wasn't the kind of player that other teams don't like to play against, she wouldn't have gotten the ride.
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